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FCC Explains How Net Neutrality Will Be Protected Without Net Neutrality Rules (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: The Federal Communications Commission is still on track to eliminate net neutrality rules this Thursday, but the commission said today that it has a new plan to protect consumers after the repeal. The FCC and Federal Trade Commission released a draft memorandum of understanding (MOU) describing how the agencies will work together to make sure ISPs keep their net neutrality promises. After the repeal, there won't be any rules preventing ISPs from blocking or throttling Internet traffic. ISPs will also be allowed to charge websites and online services for faster and more reliable network access. In short, ISPs will be free to do whatever they want -- unless they make specific promises to avoid engaging in specific types of anti-competitive or anti-consumer behavior. When companies make promises and break them, the FTC can punish them for deceiving consumers. That's what FCC Chairman Ajit Pai and Acting FTC Chair Maureen Ohlhausen are counting on. "Instead of saddling the Internet with heavy-handed regulations, we will work together to take targeted action against bad actors," Pai said in a joint announcement with the FTC today.

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  1. From the boardroom of Charter, Comcast, and friend by sconeu · · Score: 4, Funny

    CEO: So we can do whatever the hell we want, so long as we promise nothing? DO IT!

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  2. So if they DON'T promise not to... they can? by Kenja · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not really seeing an up side to this nonsense. Am I crazy, like the voices tell me, or am I missing something?

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    1. Re:So if they DON'T promise not to... they can? by sconeu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, you are missing something...

      A briefcase full of cash.

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  3. Freedom is Slavery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ignorance is Strength

  4. Useless... by ZenShadow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "We'll protect consumers! We'll stop Nestle if they put poison in their bottled water. But there's no need for heavy handed regulation; we'll only do it if they say their bottled water doesn't have poison in it."

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  5. Competition by Concern · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ah, right. The feds will hold the ISPs to their word. Then the invisible hand of the market will take care of everything.

    It's like these assholes think the free market fairy can just wave her little magic wand and make anything work.

    Except they don't think that. They know you have only 1-2 choices for ISP, and if both suddenly decide to provide shittier service, you're fucked. They even know that you know that. They're just testing to see if this makes it in above the pain threshold of the American voter, because everything that you can suffer, you will be made to suffer.

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    1. Re:Competition by msauve · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "the invisible hand of the market will take care of everything."

      That's a great idea. No longer being common carriers, every local municipality and private landowner whose property their wires pass through should feel free to demand access payment, and cut the lines if they refuse. Fair is fair - free rights of way exist for regulated common carriers serving a public interest, not for unregulated for-profit corporations.

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    2. Re:Competition by Concern · · Score: 5, Informative

      It still stuns me when people say stuff like this. But then I remember, maybe they weren't here, and didn't see what happened.

      The net has always been neutral. From time to time an ISP would try to test the boundaries, and then we would stop them:

      2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it.

      2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.

      2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones.

      2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. (edit: they actually sued the FCC over this)

      2011-2013, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit. edit: this one happened literally months after the trio were busted collaborating with Google to block apps from the android marketplace

      2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. (edit: they were fined $1.25million over this)

      2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money.

      2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place.

      2015 was just the FCC formalizing what we've had since the internet was first invented. The Internet only exists because it was always neutral. This is about breaking the entire premise of the internet, after decades of it working properly.

      You think you can have meaningful competition in "last mile" for internet, any more than you can have it for electricity? Hilarious. Someone's going to start up a new ISP, somehow get right of way to everyone's last mile? That's your competitive marketplace?

      "Oh but the local governments." I can give you another list of all the cities and towns full of people who can't get decent service at all, from any ISP, and then when they try to build their own, the big ISPs sue and harass them to stop them from doing it...

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  6. Exit strategy by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Better prepare your Internet exit strategies, folks. If the dark prophecies of Walled Gardens comes to pass, that may be the only effective form of protest available to rank-and-file citizenry. Small ISPs seem to have to piggyback on the larger ones' last-mile lines just to exist, so they likely wouldn't be any help, and while talk about creating our own Internet 3.0 is a nice fiction, that's all it is really; it'd take billions of dollars to get it started, thousands of people you could count on, and ISPs somehow not noticing, sueing the daylights out of us all, and/or just buying up any startups in hostile takeovers, the dismantling the whole thing -- assuming that is they don't outright lobby legislators to somehow prevent it. Continuing to pay ISPs who behave badly because "the Internet is essential" is just rewarding them for being evil. After the 2020 elections (if not sooner; Mr. Mueller, I'm looking at you when I say that) we'll likely not have a Republican in the Whitehouse anymore, but it'll take years for all the damage done, this included, to be reversed and repaired, and it's going to be a rough ride for all concerned in the meantime. If we somehow end up with a Republican until at least 2024, there may not be an Internet left to save. If someone else has any bright ideas how to mitigate evil behavior incoming from ISPs (because they will take full advantage of this, believe you me), I'm all ears.

  7. Re: From the boardroom of Charter, Comcast, and fr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are one dumb fuck.

  8. Re:Other side of the coin by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe you live in a country where there is actually a competition between ISPs going on. For many US people, there is no competitor to switch to. The joke is that the country that prides itself to be the pinnacle of the capitalist economy has more ISP monopolies than even China.

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  9. Re:From the boardroom of Charter, Comcast, and fri by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not sure why you resent the people that have put forth years and years of effort

    Because they received subsidies and exclusive use of public right-of-ways, and now they are trying to abuse their monopoly positions.

    Try putting in your own connection to the internet and then come back and complain

    I don't have a legal right-of-way to do that. The market can't fix the problem when there is no market.

    Net Neutrality should not be necessary. It is needed because the government screwed up, and sold/leased/gave-away the right-of-ways to a single vendor in most areas. What they should have done is either build, or required the first vendor to build, a publicly owned conduit, such as a 12" PVC pipe, that any bonded company could later use to pull cable or fiber. This would have cost little extra, since the cost of the pipe is low compared to the cost of the trenching. But it would have drastically lowered the barriers to entry, and allow real competition. I would also make upgrades much easier.

    FedEx, UPS, and the Postal Service don't each require their own set of roads. We should not expect every ISP to dig their own trenches.

  10. Re:From the boardroom of Charter, Comcast, and fri by omnichad · · Score: 5, Funny

    publicly owned conduit, such as a 12" PVC pipe, that any bonded company could later use to pull cable or fiber.

    The provider would respond by using 11.5" cables.

  11. Re:From the boardroom of Charter, Comcast, and fri by tsa · · Score: 4, Informative

    I live in the Netherlands and I can choose between at least ten providers for my glass fibre connection at home. And still we have net neutrality here because all providers are the same when it comes to earning money.

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