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Why Is Anime Obsessed With Power Lines? (atlasobscura.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Why are there so many shots of power lines in Japanese anime cartoons? The Tumblr Power Lines in Anime is dedicated to appreciating the truly lovely and surprisingly ubiquitous depictions of mundane power lines that appear in a large number of Japanese animation series. The blog is run by Tumblr user whitequark, who first started to notice the trend while watching a romantic comedy anime. Anime series can cover any number of genres, including sports, high fantasy, office life, and, of course, science fiction, but no matter what it's about, it seems that if the story is set on modern-day Earth, it will contain some amazingly detailed images of power lines, telephone poles, and other wired infrastructure. While a number of anime series (and cartoons in general), opt for a style of hyper-detailed backgrounds before which relatively simpler characters can interact, power lines stand out for the detail and complexity required to illustrate them.

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  1. Why are Slashdot editors so obsessed.... by slashdotiscorrupt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With flooding the feed with irrelevant stories?

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    1. Re:Why are Slashdot editors so obsessed.... by Kierthos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "News for nerds" includes anime nerds.

      I personally don't care for stories on pretty much anything Apple does, but they still should be posted. Nobody is making you read them or comment on them.

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    2. Re:Why are Slashdot editors so obsessed.... by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As someone who watches a lot of anime i think this is an interesting question and i am interested in the article. But i still don't understand why it was posted on Slashdot.

      But hey, as long as we're asking questions about weird anime stuff, why is it that in high school anime the classrooms are always oriented so that the windows are on the left? (From the students' perspective.) From what i understand this is generally the way real classrooms in Japan are, but that doesn't answer the more fundamental question.

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    3. Re: Why are Slashdot editors so obsessed.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most students are right handed (or, in the past, were forced to write with their right hand), if the light comes from the left (light strips are relatively recent in the grand scheme of 'schools') the drop shadow of your writing hand doesn't obstruct your writing.

  2. Serial Experiments Lain by ziggystarsky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    SEL is a 1998 anime. It is full of power line shots. I'd estimate that around 2-5 percent of the series consist of power lines. It would be interesting whether this was the start of the trend. Can someone please categorize this Tumblr thing into pre and post 1998, please?

  3. Power lines equal western cultural encroachment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before WWII, outside Tokyo - rural Japan didn't have as many power lines as western countries.
    With culture going back centuries... japanese perceived power lines as western encroachment and the loss of the authentic Japanese self.
    And since nearly all power lines come from and go to "someplace else", they are by definition "invasive" to the local world.
    And since power utilities are authoritative entities... they represent invasive authority.

    1. Re:Power lines equal western cultural encroachment by Altrag · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While this seems like it can be completely explained by "obvious fanservice," there's actually some interesting history here as well. I don't remember full details (never mind a link:P) but it amounts to panties being a much larger fetish among Japanese men than we (as westerners) would expect, due to the history of how panties were introduced to the country.

      Basically, because the Japanese were fairly immodest by western standards -- mixed bathing and all that good stuff -- when we started introducing our values into their country we brought with us both (western-style) modesty -- ie: hide your reproductive bits -- and also panties at around the same time. So the Japanese went through a period where you could go to the bath and see fully naked women basically whenever you wanted, but panties were kept hidden and therefore became the forbidden land while in the west, panties were introduced primarily to be an extra barrier against a woman exposing her naughty bits accidentally.

      Of course these days mixed bathing is pretty rare (though not completely gone) and girls in Japan tend to be just as self-conscious of their nakedness as we are, but the history still bears its mark both in art and even in life (that's a large part of why used panties vending machines were a thing until the Japanese government had to specifically ban them.. I mean sure some westerners have a fetish for dirty underwear but nobody here would ever dream of setting up a vending machine to sell such things -- the market simply isn't large enough or concentrated enough to bother.)

      Another "interesting" thing to watch is the length of girls' stockings. Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... if you want to get an idea of how much time and energy the Japanese put into what we would consider relatively benign crap, simply because of the way they meshed western modesty and other western ideals into their culture over the past few centuries.

  4. It is called a visual style.... by bobbied · · Score: 2

    The artists picked a visual style to convey the esthetic impact they are trying to achieve and use it in their drawn backgrounds. Apparently this includes power lines.

    Where I get where this basic artistic concept might be lost on a lot of folks reading Slashdot because we tend to be thinking about the technical nature of things, it's not that hard to understand.

    BONUS: They pick the music in the background to drive an emotional impact of a movie, not just the visual images used. Try not to get lost in the enormity of the thought..

    Double Bonus: Annime is NOT reality, regardless of how much you think it so. It's an animated cartoon and the stories are not real life.

    Yes, this post should be read to be dripping with sarcasm.

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    1. Re:It is called a visual style.... by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Funny

      My Waifu says you're wrong, it's reality!

    2. Re:It is called a visual style.... by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      In this case, it is reality. Power lines are everywhere in Japan.
      It is common for backgrounds in anime to be almost photographs of actual places. When it come to places, anime is a very accurate depiction of real life Japan. Of course, that's assuming the setting is Japan, present day, present time, hahahaha.

  5. Art imitating reality by yoda-dono · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you've ever been to Japan, especially iconic locations like Tokyo, you'd pretty quickly realize that, for how otherwise clean and tidy the Japanese are, the rats nests of power lines depicted in anime are basically true to life. Ubiquitous powerlines (even the type seemingly haphazardly strung between buildings like neglected spider webs) are a normal sight there, so when mirroring or representing reality, it isn't a surprising detail to include to give just that little extra grounding. For those on the outside looking in, it could seem exaggerated, but it is hardly the case.

  6. Because they're easy to miss by Ghostworks · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in the documentary "Crumb", on underground commix icon Robert Crumb, R.C. demonstrated how he took a lot of photos and drew scenes from them rather from memory, because it's easy to mentally tune-out a lot of very big, annoying things about modern life: billboards, power lines, transformers. He didn't want to miss them when he drew, so he took photos to force himself to acknowledge them with photos.

    Sure enough, once he pointed it out, I realized that was one of the things that made his work both very solid/real and also very gritty. When there's no panels with large swaths of empty, blue sky, it really forces you to acknowledge everything we've put in the way.

    In anime, it could be similarly an attempt at heightened awareness/realism, or a form of social commentary, or a subtle nod that the characters are in the Ugly Real World and not the Sparking Virtual Reality or Romantic Past.

    1. Re:Because they're easy to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is amazing. As a kid I was fascinated by power lines, substations, transformers, and how all this stuff was connected together and worked. By observation I had a pretty good understanding of how local power grids worked. I'm still fascinated by it today as a balding 40 year old sitting in a home office reading /.

      Anyways, its great when animators get some detail you notice about the world (that everyone else seems oblivious to) right. And certainly notice it when its wrong, and power lines are always done wrong. Don't get me started on TV antennas !

    2. Re:Because they're easy to miss by lobiusmoop · · Score: 2

      Makes me think of the segment from the Crumb movie "A Short History Of America" (50 seconds long)

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  7. Ever been to Japan ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ever been to Japan ? - First time I went down the residential streets of Tokyo - I tought - this looks like like I'm in an anime.
    Anime creators are just copying what they see outside their houses.

  8. Because... by tarokejihi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    there are a lot of power lines in Japan you insensitive clod ! ^_^

    1. Re:Because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Mod up (I don't have points today). I lived in Japan for ~ 4 years and all the utilities are on poles. Powerlines are a way of life and just everywhere. They are the backdrop for where these artists come from. I always put it down to it being earthquake protection.

  9. Nope. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2, Informative

    In more modern animations, wind power turbines win out over power lines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  10. With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 2

    He pulls the spitting high-tension wires down
    Helpless people on subway trains
    Scream, bug-eyed, as he looks in on them

    Speaking of obvious ...

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  11. It's a real thing. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You need only look at Tokyo (capital of Japan) to see the mess of power lines that exist in real life.

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  12. Play with memes by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    US flicks have fruit-stands as the go-to chaos focus. Nobody knows why, other than maybe "everyone else does it".

    I always wanted to see a play on the concept where a massive fight breaks out around a fruit-stand, and everything else around it is flattened and smoldering, while the fruit-stand remains intact due to the acrobatic heroics of its ordinary-looking owner. Somebody fires a missile at the stand, and have it coincidentally pass through a tiny gap in stacked melons in slow motion.

    After the fight ends, the owner starts to wheel the stand away from the quiet-but-smoldering mess, but stumbles on a road reflector bump, and the entire stand finally crashes down in glorious fruit spray.

    When movie memes get too entrenched, it's time to mock them.

    Similarly, a Japanese flick could have a monster fight that repeatedly ends up landing in power lines, but nothing happens with the lines: they bend a bit and then bend back to normal without drama. Have the antagonist get frustrated in that throwing his victim into them results in nothing. Finally he grabs a line, tears it in half, gets ready to zap his opponent, but just then his crime partner a few blocks away smashes another opponent into the power station, cutting off power to the line, rendering his zapping tool (torn cables) useless.

  13. Because of how background art is made by XSportSeeker · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know this is supposed to be kinda tongue in cheek, but most animes have specific background artists that will be asked to portray some scenery as faithfully as possible, including stuff like worn down buildings, crusty old signs, overgrown lawns, faded out street signaling, corroded paintjobs... and yes, power lines.
    There are lots of titles that are specifically tied to a city, or even a specific neighborhoods... well, much like several TV series and movies.

    But picking half a dozen titles stretched over 2 decades or more that have power lines in them and saying it's an "obsession" has to be a joke right? Do people even realize hundreds of titles are released every year?

    In any case, it's not an obsession by any means... apart from Lain because it's thematic (it symbolizes how everything is connected), for the vast majority of titles it is just a staple of urban environments. It's part of the scenery. From another perspective, obsessive behaviour would be trying to hide them when they are quite obviously there.

  14. Re:Of all the things in Anime by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would think power lines are a good sign of the time the story is based. Where it is to represent the present.
    The near future normally would be wireless urban setting.
    The past 100 years or so, we wouldn't have power-lines, as most lights were still gas in an urban environment.

    Out of all other things, they can be drown without much animation.

    Also power lines don't date quickly. So a scene with with them will look as reliant for 2017 as it would for 1967 so such shows wont date as quickly.

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  15. Re:May emit showers of sparks by wafflemonger · · Score: 4, Funny

    The C4 that lines the inside of the Enterprise bridge consoles is essential for correct functioning.

  16. Re:Has anyone looked at real pictures of urban Jap by Altus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Exactly... I used to wonder why there were so many images of vending machines in Anime, they are everywhere... it is not unusual to see scenes entirely lit by vending machines even in residential (non big city) scenes there would be vending machines everywhere... is it some kind of symbolism? I don't have vending machines on my suburban street.

    Then I went to japan and realized that vending machines were actually everywhere, even in small towns and residential neighborhoods.... its just part of every day life there.

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  17. Not just that. They're incredibly loaded symbols. by aussersterne · · Score: 2

    Literally networks of power, whose center is somewhere else.
    Modernity and (in their proliferation and sagging) the collapse/end/postscript/decay of modernity.
    Consumerism, consumer technology, technological encroachment.
    Utopian ideals (energy, artificial light) and their mundane failures to transform human life for the better.
    The loss (as you point out) of the rural in the face of the urban.
    Environmental destruction.
    Utilitarianism and rational-instrumentalism at the expense of beauty.
    Clutter and the "wreckage of history" that Walter Benjamin famously described.
    Setting out to aspire to highs, inevitably sagging back down to lows.
    The ravages of time.
    Technological debt.
    etc.

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  18. Re: Japan just has lots of above-ground power line by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

    Japan has a MUCH bigger problem with earthquakes & tsunamis than hurricanes (Tokyo & northward is about the same climate as the Northeastern US & maritime Canada). Tsunamis bring saltwater inland (very, very bad for underground power lines). Earthquakes shear underground power lines apart (or stretch them & cause subtle, harder-to-troubleshoot flakiness).

  19. Re:May emit showers of sparks by Ghostworks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Supposedly, their power transmission system is based on some sort of high-energy plasma being piped throughout the ship, and every piece of technology they have can be made more or less effective by simply funneling more power into it, even if you have to steal that power from things like lighting or life support. (For example, the computer calculates more quickly, shields become firmer, sensors extend their range and resolution, etc.)

    So -- bearing in mind that "pipe more high-energy plasma from one part of the ship to a completely unrelated part" is default behavior in any crisis -- that in mind, it's amazing things don't blow up constantly.

  20. Re:May emit showers of sparks by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2

    It is probably a future iteration of the same thing Apple was doing when the throttled all the iPhones with old batteries. The equipment is designed to work only when fed the power from the whole ship, then gets throttled when it detects it has less than that amount of power.

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  21. Re: Of all the things in Anime by Malc · · Score: 2

    Really? Have you been to London or Paris?

    Burying cables is a political and an economic decision.

  22. Re:May emit showers of sparks by Xyrus · · Score: 2

    Seat restraints also interfere with ship operations.

    Pro-tip: Your ship's matter-antimatter reactor should be reinforced with explodium for maximum efficiency.

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  23. That's how it is in Japan by loufoque · · Score: 2

    What a silly question.
    It's because that's how power lines are in Japan. They are not put systematically underground like in the US.