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Ajit Pai Offers No Data For Latest Claim That Net Neutrality Hurt Small ISPs (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: With days to go before his repeal of net neutrality rules, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai issued a press release about five small ISPs that he says were harmed by the rules. Pai "held a series of telephone calls with small Internet service providers across the country -- from Oklahoma to Ohio, from Montana to Minnesota," his press release said. On these calls, "one constant theme I heard was how Title II had slowed investment," Pai said. But Pai's announcement offered no data to support this assertion. So advocacy group Free Press looked at the FCC's broadband deployment data for these companies and found that four of them had expanded into new territory. The fifth didn't expand into new areas but it did start offering gigabit Internet service. These expansions happened after the FCC imposed its Title II net neutrality rules. (Title II is the statute that the FCC uses to enforce net neutrality rules and regulate common carriers.)

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  1. Telecom shill Ajit Pai tells yet another NN lie by fafalone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Shocker.

    1. Re:Telecom shill Ajit Pai tells yet another NN lie by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Republican too. "Data" is sinful and gets in the way of truthiness.

    2. Re:Telecom shill Ajit Pai tells yet another NN lie by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 2

      Paraphrasing Adam Savage: Pai rejects reality and substitutes his own. I do wonder if such calls are to be documented if not even recorded as part of operations of a government entity. Will be interesting to know what they talked about if they talked to Pai at all.

  2. no small isps left by starblazer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What small ISPs? The only people who are "small" are resellers as nobody can access the last mile.

    1. Re:no small isps left by Pikoro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In Japan we have this thing called FLETS. Basically, one company puts down the infrastructure, and they own it, but once laid, they have to allow anyone to use it, for a fee of course. What this means is that basically, anyone can start an ISP. You negotiate fees on a per customer basis. I set up my ISP for my local community. I pay $20 per customer I sign up back to the infrastructure owner. The infrastructure owner has a database of ISPs that are registered with them. So in the user's modem, it has username@isp.domain. The infrastructure owner looks it up, replies with weather it's a valid ISP or not, then hands off the authentication to the ISP's authentication server. Once the customer is authorized, the ISP hands the routing back to the infrastructure owner and boom. The customer is online, subject to the rules put in place by the ISP on things like bandwidth, traffic shaping, etc. The infrastructure owner isn't allowed to run it's own ISP, so it forks off a subsidiary and competes with the other ISPs using the same method. You may have multiple dozens of ISPs available to choose from, and switching, is a simple matter of changing your login information on the modem once you have a contract in place with the respective ISP. It's simple, it works, and since pretty much all the ISPs charge within a couple dollars per month of each other, they compete on features, like bandwidth, caps, email plans, and whatnot. The infrastructure owner makes their cash off the fees to the providers and the ISPs are free to charge the customers whatever they want on top of that initial fee. Easy peasy. Really wish they would do that in the USA.

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    2. Re:no small isps left by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      The last mile is a natural monopoly, you dipshit. Nobody wants to run multiple cables to their house.

      There are already companies that do exactly that. They are called "overbuilders" and I've worked for a few of them. The problem is the initial investment to run the infrastructure is high and there is no guaranteed return because their business depends on their ability to steal customers away from the incumbent carrier.

      It costs much less to roll out the lines in decades past than now. Executives at these companies tell me it's actually cheaper to buy an existing market from a carrier than string one from scratch now. That's one reason why there are issues with poor trunk infrastructure for so many ISPs -- the original lines were run when it was cheap, they have gone through their normal useful life, and the current owners cannot/don't want to pay for their replacement at current costs for that work.

  3. That's because he's Lying by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Plain and simple.

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  4. Artificial Scarcity by nickmalthus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no doubt that allowing telcoms, who are losing money due to cord cutters jettisoning their overpriced premium services, to install toll booths on the Information Highway will generate hundreds of billions of dollars in profit through artificial scarcity. Pai is only concerned with the investment returns of the telcoms and could care less about the rights of the American public, the people he is supposed to serve and protect.

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    1. Re:Artificial Scarcity by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Pai is only concerned with the investment returns of the telcoms

      Yes, that's how it works. The FDA protects the pharmaceutical industry. The DOJ protects the corrections industry. Treasury protects the banks. And so on...

      Unless the house is swept clean next year, don't expect much to change.

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  5. small ISP worker here by Revek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How would having our upstream providers throttling us help? This guy doesn't care about the truth. He is the type to make his truth up as he goes. The net is going to be a huge piece of shit after this.

    1. Re:small ISP worker here by Revek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes! We regularly had trouble with certain protocols due to a upstream provider throttling them. So yes, it was a piece of shit for us. The day they took those rules off of us was a good day indeed. We lost 20 seconds of latency also. This is simply a way for the jerks to squeeze more money out of the same resources.

  6. Re:I'm getting tired of all the NN rehetoric... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    " But I'm going to add that usually the desperate ones are desperate because they are discovering they are wrong and that they are losing the fight because of it."

    I guess you think the Native Americans 'discovered they were wrong' and THAT explains their desperation on the Trail of Tears? Try again with your dumb over generalization buddy. This one flies as well as lead balloon.

  7. "...across the country..." by DaveM753 · · Score: 4, Informative

    "...held a series of telephone calls with small Internet service providers across the country -- from Oklahoma to Ohio, from Montana to Minnesota..."

    Just FYI, for those without a map handy, that covers 8 out of 50 states, all in the midwest:
    Montana to Minnesota = Montana, North Dakota and Minnesota.
    Oklahoma to Ohio = Oklahoma, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio.

    Again...just FYI.

    1. Re:"...across the country..." by DaveM753 · · Score: 2

      I had considered that. However, when it comes to politics and politicians, I'm always looking for suspect motivation. If we argue that his statement is merely alliterative pairings, then why would he not have said California to Connecticut and Alaska to Alabama? Covers more states and hits both coasts.

      Considering his political motivations, I'm going to posit that Mr. Pai contacted ISPs only in the states he mentioned - avoiding the heavily-populated coastal regions and covering large swaths of land in the middle of the country that likely involve a significantly higher share of "last-mile" internet service issues (due to lower population density) and probably higher operating costs per subscriber as a result. He then gets to allude that a regional issue is nation-wide.

      That's why I think it's a valid point to bring out his limited selection of states.

  8. Re:GET A ROPE. by un1nsp1red · · Score: 2

    Where is this competition you speak of? I didn't have a choice when I lived in Chicago, I don't have any choice in Los Angeles (TWC) or Boulder (Comcast). I guess I could get a DSL line or satellite if you consider that competition, but neither of those are acceptable for my needs. I had hoped fiber might some day come to the rescue, but it has never been an option in any building I've lived in. My only hope is if Boulder pushes out municipal fiber. If we really had any competition, I'd believe in the possibility of the market to resolve these issues, but I've yet to see any competition in this space.

  9. Re:I'm getting tired of all the NN rehetoric... by pots · · Score: 2
    Everybody's tired of this, it's not just you. A lot of the outrage here stems from the fact that most of us thought this bullshit was over two years ago.

    However, this logic:

    they are wrong and that they are losing the fight because of it

    Doesn't hold. You are being far too optimistic if you think that being right and winning are related.

  10. Re:Neutrality hah! by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think him joking about it signals something even worse. Two possibilities 1: He's drinking his own koolaid and genuinely believes at this point Comcast's interests are the interests of the nation and the notion that he could be wrong about this is funny because it's so alien. This type of religious belief in the corporate masters is as dangerous as any other religion running government. Or 2: He is so sold out that he has no decency or shame about the crime he's committing. He's aware that the climate of the Trump administration is so brazenly corrupt that this is acceptable behavior now.

    Doesn't change the current question of "is he biased" or "Is he working for the best interest of the consumer." That's obvious. The problem though is the forces that led him to this action, the GOPs religious belief in the gospel of deregulation, and/or blatant corruption, those forces are still at work across all government levels.

  11. Re:Kinda like the death-tax hurts farmer lie by sheph · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Estate taxes are bad. Whether you're a farmer or a multi-billionaire the principal remains the same. You earned it. Paid income tax on what you earned. Paid taxes on all your assets year after year. Why should your children not be able to inherit that when you die without the government sticking their grubby hands in the pie? Especially when they perpetually waste money like it grows on trees? They can't appropriately manage what they have why should I give them more? Now I'm not disputing your stance on net neutrality. I think Ajit is absolutely sold out to the telcom industry and his analogy about mom and pop ISPs is bogus. But that has nothing to do with estate taxes.

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  12. Only Hope by jittles · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At this point, the only thing I can hope for is that the RIAA and MPAA start going around suing ISPs after Net Neutrality is abolished. If Net Neutrality doesn't exist then the ISPs are no longer a common carrier under the Telecommunications Act of 1996.

    1. Re:Only Hope by RazorSharp · · Score: 2

      At this point, the only thing I can hope for is that the RIAA and MPAA start going around suing ISPs after Net Neutrality is abolished. If Net Neutrality doesn't exist then the ISPs are no longer a common carrier under the Telecommunications Act of 1996.

      It's a sad day for the internet indeed when our hopes rest on that.

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  13. Re:Kinda like the death-tax hurts farmer lie by bajan_on_ice · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unless your farmer has >$5M in assets, the estate tax does not apply to him. And the reason behind the estate tax is to avoid the increasing accumulation of wealth in the hands of a few. Whether or not the government is incompetent at handling the cash is besides the point.

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  14. Re:I'm getting tired of all the NN rehetoric... by bobbied · · Score: 2

    Everybody's tired of this, it's not just you. A lot of the outrage here stems from the fact that most of us thought this bullshit was over two years ago.

    Ah quite... So you are now realizing that a government that rules though this kind of regulation is a danger to all. Rules should not be made this way, with faceless nameless "administrators" who are not elected make (or unmake) such significant rules.

    Only NOW you are upset? Yea, cry me a river. It was good enough when you where getting your way, but now it's a corrupt system? Please.

    This is the "I have a phone and a pen" legacy, which is getting rolled back the very way it was created, behind the scenes by unnamed unelected bureaucrats that are accountable to their appointers, but not the people. This kind of government and the rules it has created should go away. Congress should undo this mess they have made.

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  15. Re:Faith by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

    IKR. We never got to see the raw data that the EPA was trying to use for their power grab, either.

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  16. Re:Neutrality hah! by FrankHaynes · · Score: 2

    This is the true downside of Trump as President: it's not HIM, it's all his cronies who have come to power to help themselves to the levers of power to suit themselves and their greedy pals.

    It will take some time to undo all the damage that they are doing at many levels and across many disciplines.

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  17. Re:I'm getting tired of all the NN rehetoric... by bobbied · · Score: 2

    Who's crying.. I'm getting my way here.. ;)

    I'm just not naïve enough to not understand that what goes around, comes around. Someday the shoe will be on the other party who can have it their way too. I want this fixed, permanently, and that takes congressional action, so this is fixed and takes more than another party appointing new commissioners to get their way again.

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  18. Re: Kinda like the death-tax hurts farmer lie by silentcoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll give you the reason Thomas Jefferson gave when he first proposed an estate tax: to protect America from the tendency of society to develop aristocracies.

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