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China's Top Phone Makers Huawei and Xiaomi In Talks With Carriers To Expand To US Market (bloomberg.com)

From a report: Huawei and Xiaomi are in talks with U.S. wireless operators about selling flagship smartphones to American consumers as soon as next year, according to people familiar with the matter. The handset makers are negotiating with carriers including AT&T and Verizon, said the people, asking not to be identified because the matter is private. Talks are still fluid and it's possible no agreements will materialize, they said.

44 comments

  1. AT&T and Huawei by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    AT&T has had Huawei phones for years now.

    1. Re:AT&T and Huawei by imnes · · Score: 1

      I've been happy with my Huawei Nexus 6p for several years :)

  2. Just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    More cheap crap from inherently dishonest people, who will load up the phones with malware to spy on us and report back to Beijing. The US should ban the import of these phones.

    1. Re:Just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dunno about you, but Huawei phone have been pretty good in terms of bang for buck performance with minimal software bloat and decent user serviceability. I don't doubt there might be spyware on them, but when has that stopped people from using good hardware? People still buy Lenovo/HP products by the score, and stuff like Google Assistant is lauded by tech news as some great advancement despite being openly spyware-oriented.

    2. Re:Just what we need by rwven · · Score: 1

      It's pretty silly to say this and then exclude companies like Samsung, Apple, LG, HTC, etc from the same logic.

      Xiaomi also makes some very high-end phones that are highly reviewed. Definitely not "cheap crap." Huawei? /shrug

    3. Re: Just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But, they are still more trustworthy than Google.

    4. Re:Just what we need by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      It was a xenophobic comment, suggesting that Chinese folks sell snake-oil while twirling their fumanchu and thumbing the scale because, well, that's what the Chinese do. No substance behind it, just some idiotic ranting from racist assholes.

    5. Re:Just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      who will load up the phones with malware to spy on us and report back to Beijing.

      As opposed to other phones which have the Facebook app pre-installed? Or Google's Gapps suite?

    6. Re:Just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Have you ever been to China?
      Have you ever had to deal with Chinese businesses?

      Your comment is as ignorant as any I have ever read.

    7. Re:Just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw Xiaomis high-end phones.
      I got a $100 one. 3 gig ram and 4Ah battery. Beats the crap out of plenty of expensive brand phones in the areas where it really matters.
      Official forums also have instructions on how to root it and restore it.

    8. Re:Just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been to China multiple times and found the people to be friendly. Of course I didn't meet all 1.x billion of them so it's possible I just didn't run into the assholes. The opposite is true in Europe. All I ever meet there are the assholes but there are a few normal folks wandering around who can be civil.

      And don't believe all the hostile rhetoric spewed by media services who have replaced publishing the truth with politically motivated hit pieces meant to sway the ignorant masses one way or another depending on which way the political wind is blowing.
      The US has never attacked China or tried to colonize their territory at any time. Chinese have been immigrating to the US since the 1800's. Any sizeable city in the US has a Chinatown district with San Fransico and NY being good examples. You can't swing a cat in the US without hitting a Chinese restaurant or dry cleaner. China's economic achievements would have been more difficult without US support which started back in 1972. China is the US's most successful and non-violent regime change operation in US history. The US Navy has hosted Chinese Naval personnel on board a US aircraft carrier to study flight operations and take that knowledge to apply on their single aircraft carrier they have.

      When the US wasn't ranked within the top 15 military powers in the world they still sent a small fighter group to China to harass the Japanese. This was before the US officially entered WW2. And although it is little off the beaten path there is a memorial dedicated to these men in China. Had Mao never came into power the US-China relationship and quite frankly the entire international socio-political landscape would be different than today. The Cold War would have been much different because Russia could never have beaten a united US-China front. There would be no NK to worry about.

  3. Chinese Spy Phones by Zorro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At very affordable prices.

    1. Re:Chinese Spy Phones by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      If letting the Chinese spy on me gets me a phone at half the local cost, I'm OK with that.

      Once I have an always-on, location-aware device on my person, somebody's tracking it. The Chinese are less likely to do anything with whatever information they gather on me, AND they're not in the same country. Or on the same continent.

      Then there's the fact that the particular phone I have has been torn down, and the software disassembled by 'reputable hackers'... and only the usual adware crap was found, which you can uninstall.

      Better than Apple, since I can do with my phone whatever the hardware allows and the manufacturer won't even TRY to stop me.

    2. Re:Chinese Spy Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Spy phones"? ALL phones are spy phones. That djinni left the bottle dude: people do not care. they would rather have convenience and low prices.

    3. Re:Chinese Spy Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if they come with Chinese spyware pre-installed you can be sure they won't have NSA spyware. Which would you rather have spying on you?

    4. Re:Chinese Spy Phones by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      the reality is they probably just exchange data. definitely gets around those pesky rules about spying on american citizens, amirite?

    5. Re: Chinese Spy Phones by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      Thats the sort of thing done between allied nations. China is likely not sharing that kind of espionage information with the US, their economic interests seem opposed enough for it not to make sense.

  4. Would love to see Xiaomi phones here by kimgkimg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Xiaomi has made some awesome phones for the overseas markets. Would love to see them add support for T-mobile FDD LTE bands in addition to AT&T support.

  5. ...why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haven't there been dozens or reports/articles showing that the US cell phone market is about as saturated as it can get?

    We have enough e-waste without all these damn cell phones lol. People are throwing them out as quickly as they're buying them.

    1. Re:...why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because there's clear demand for them in the states. Hell, if you read enough ArsTech or Endgadget, you'll see a myriad of glowing reviews for Huawei/Xioami phones appended with "Not For Sale In US", with comment sections wishing the phones would come stateside.

      The phone market is not as saturated as it seems, since there's not much in the way of a middle ground these days. On the one hand, there are a plethora of cheap devices (mostly just downgrade versions of flagships), on the other there are a bunch of high-end flagships like the Pixel/Galaxy/RazerPhone etc. Huawei/Xioami do a good job filling the middle space with devices that have relatively strong hardware at prices slightly above the low end that are both capable of running modern apps and remaining strong enough to last many years. So far, the only major Chinese phonemaker with a US presence is OnePlus, but they're shifting towards the flagship end of the market.

    2. Re:...why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Haven't there been dozens or reports/articles showing that the US cell phone market is about as saturated as it can get?

      From a consumer point of view, the US cell phone market is virtually vacant rather than "saturated." Yes, there's a lot of crap (both cheap and expensive) available, but if you're not into crap, you're probably having to buy some semi-obscure brands, possibly imported. The companies who used to make phones that people liked (e.g. Samsung, Apple), don't even try anymore, having completely gone to cost-reduced designs that:

      • don't even have removable/replaceable batteries
      • are incredibly thin/fragile
      • lack basic I/O ports that everyone would have taken for granted just a few years ago (SD card, analog audio out, and .. USB?! Lacking USB in 2017 is .. I don't know what to say.)
      • locked bootloaders and proprietary software (this isn't a new problem, but by 2017 you'd think it'd be as ancient as lacking USB)

      It takes a lot of researching and shopping-fu to get a phone that isn't crap. I'd call that the opposite of "saturated." If anybody comes in and tries to take consumers' money by making decent phones, they'll find customers.

      You'll know when the US market is really saturated, by the return of Apple and Samsung. Both of them are easily able to make decent hardware, they just don't bother right now, because there's still so little competition. I think a little competitive pressure will do wonders for both of their products.

  6. Kaspersky all over again by mi · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Chinese Spy Phones at very affordable prices.

    Just my thoughts too. THe Kaspersky thing may happen again. Heck, the ongoing farce of "Russia collusion" may, bucking the proverbial trend, come back as a real tragedy next time — because Chinese, generally, have their excrement together much more than Russians these days.

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    1. Re:Kaspersky all over again by Guybrush_T · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is still no proof about whether Kaspersky is actually leaking anything to the Russian government. Of course the US federal government doesn't want to use their products, which makes total sense because it is too much of a risk, but nothing, to my knowledge, has been proven.

      Same for Chinese. You may consider the risk of using a Chinese phone, but so far neither Huawei nor Xiaomi have been caught selling data to their government. Even when some data was leaked to servers in China, it was never clear there was a political intent (opposed to just plain incompetence from the Chinese developers).

      This kind of leaks go hardly unnoticed. You can't easily plant them without getting caught and if you do, the risks would be big. The most successful so far have been Google and Amazon, since no one could know if the US agencies had access to all the requests done through Alexa/Google assistant.

    2. Re:Kaspersky all over again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The only thing we know for sure about Russia is that they came in and defeated ISIS, while we were talking about how cool moderate rebels were and making Oscar Propaganda about White Hats.

    3. Re:Kaspersky all over again by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Sadly the reality is most people in the world trust the Russian government and the Government of China more than the US government, which has factually proven over and over and over again it absolutely can not be trusted. Quite simply have something they want and you wont sell it to them at a sharp discount they will kill you for it, whether that you is one person or a million people. Who gives a fuck who the US government trusts, no one, absolutely no one, not even US citizens, should trust it, corrupt as fuck.

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  7. Confused ... didn't FOXCONN do this? by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

    Apologies for not getting the significance of this

  8. Increased duty? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Informative

    If China is planning to increase duty on foreign branded phones, surely the US should be doing the same for Chinese branded phones and for the same percentages? I don't believe in unfair market protections, so if the another country is applying duties, surely the same tariffs should be applied in the other direction?

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  9. xiaomi by KavyaGujjarGujjar · · Score: 1

    xiaomi is a big player in the indian market and they are almost selling millions of units every month. But there customer care service is not good as there phone i dont know why but they should take a look in to there customer care number. I have read a post where its toll free number is given but it is not working. http://customeronlineinfo.in/x...

  10. Hey, Huawei and Xiaomi! by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

    I have two thousand US dollars with your name written on it. Pretty please, can you release a serious flagship phone with a replaceable battery?

    At the moment, you have no competition in this market space.

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    1. Re:Hey, Huawei and Xiaomi! by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Flagship? what do you do that Moto G4 Play or G5 don't do?

    2. Re:Hey, Huawei and Xiaomi! by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

      My personal wishlist:

      - Pointless amount of RAM and storage (for future-proofing; I keep my devices for 5 years on average) .. 8gb / 256gb would do fine
      - Latest generation, flagship CPU
      - MicroSD slot
      - Multi-sim support
      - Thick and ugly. Please, no concessions to the derpy fashionistas. Please!
      - Heavy
      - Lanyard hole
      - Rugged; IP67 would be fantastic.
      - 5,000+ mAh cell; standby with all radios active and reasonable complement of apps: 36h. Heavy usage: 16-24h.
      - Physical hardware buttons
      - SIM and bootloader unlocked/unlockable
      - Complete array of sensors: IMU, solid magnetometer, themometer, hygrometer, barometer, SpO2, GPS, ambient light, proximity.. all of the sensors.
      - Global band and protocol support for the cellular radio
      - Wireless charging
      - USB-C and MicroUSB ports would be appreciated

      I would pay $2k USD for this device tomorrow, and I know I'm not alone.

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    3. Re:Hey, Huawei and Xiaomi! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of these then:

      http://ulefone.com/products/armor2/features.html

      OK, not got all your wishlist:

      - 4700 mAh battery for example,
      - you'll never get the latest CPU with these things, but TBH you don't need latest CPU, but its got an octa-core 2.6Ghz big.LITTLE job,
      - only 6GB RAM / 64GB ROM.
      - IP68
      - bunch of sensors. G- L- P- and barometer and compass for example,
      - fast charge (not Qi charge, shame)
      - 27 frequencies on 6 types of network.
      - dual SIM (both 4G compatible)
      - SD Card
      - type C, but comes with a micro-usb adapter. Nice.
      - rugged and ugly, not going to slip gently into your pocket, and nobody is going to steal it because it doubles as a deadly weapon.

      You can get one on Gearbest. Will cost you your $2000.

      Oh no wait, I added a zero. It'll cost you $200 at the moment as its on offer.

    4. Re:Hey, Huawei and Xiaomi! by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

      Sadly all of their efforts are rendered worthless due to the fact they chose to glue the battery into the device. :(

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  11. CDMA problem by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    My Brother-in-law bought a Huawei to use with AT&T. He loves it. I decided to get one for myself. However, using Verizon, I couldn't. The choice of phones for Verizon are now very limited. Hopefully this news changes that.

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  12. Who needs iPhones... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you can have Spy Phones!

  13. Let me help by slashmydots · · Score: 0

    Here, I'll help the US companies that are involved with these talks. No customer in the entirety of the US will buy a Chinese phone laced with tracking malware and spying features. Thanks anyway though.

  14. Love it! by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    I'e had 3 Huawei phones. Mate2, 8 and now the 9. Great phones, good value, excellent battery life, very stable OS. If you are into quick updates, look elsewhere...Huawei is slow about updates, but, I don't really care if it's stable. Never had a problem with them.

  15. Finally, the Chinese have figured out what we want by guacamole · · Score: 1

    You see, the American consumers are really strange. They don't enjoy owning unlocked smartphones that are free of carrier bloat. They want a smartphone that's locked to one carrier, features carrier logo on the back and on the boot screen, and has dozens of carrier apps and services installed on the phones. Neither consumers like having phones with many radio bands. We want the phone to have the absolute minimum of radio bands to make it work with one carrier, so that the phone becomes crippled when you try to connect it to another carrier. We, Americans, unlike those Chinese consumers, have brand loyalty to those large telecoms.

  16. Re:Finally, the Chinese have figured out what we w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use T-Mobile because they are the best GSM provider in the US. Their travel policies are fantastic. I use an iPhone because I cannot and will not trust Google, an ad company. No Android for me. I'm waiting for a third or fourth VIABLE choice.

  17. They do with the Mi Mix 2! by Ecuador · · Score: 1

    I had a Xiaomi Mi5 which was a great phone, at a very low price compared to the competition, with the only problem being that it would not work with T-mobile and I visit the US now and then, so it was annoying.
    Enter the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 - their first device to support T-mobile LTE, and an amazing phone with a gorgeous 6" screen at a device size that is a little smaller than the 5.5" iPhone pluses. It is becoming very popular outside the US, in fact there is a fleet of copycat chinese manufacturers that are making "Mix 2" devices with small bezels (but slow Helios processors etc - nothing like the Xiaomi's top hardware).

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    1. Re:They do with the Mi Mix 2! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the info, I'll have to check out the Mix 2.

  18. But Korean phones are alright? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is that so different from current market leaders Samsung or LG? Is S. Korea somehow that much more trustworthy?