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'Productivity Is Dangerous' (theoutline.com)

Vincent Bevins, writing for The Outline: So every morning, I get messages asking me to click through to articles like "How I Optimized My Morning Routine To Get More Done Than ever -- before 8 a.m.!" The people posting links like this have a sickness, and we need to stop it before it gets out of hand. Of course, if you actually click through to this trash, it's a bit shocking to see what they actually do. Some guy is proud that he set aside his social life so that he could unleash four extremely psychologically damaging apps on the world by the age of 30. Or it's like, "Congratulate Lisa on her new job as advertising director for Nestle in Africa." Here's a productivity idea: Just, fucking, don't make shitty apps, or do advertising for Nestle, or really for anything. I often see shit like, "Ten Habits I Have QUIT to Get More Done," and I think, "Maybe quit writing posts like this." If you're waking up at 4 a.m. to write 1,000 words about how you write 1,000 words every day, what are you actually getting done? Just stay in bed. Whenever I am back in the Protestant centers of modern capitalism (New York or London, basically), it's especially jarring to remember what it feels like to treat being busy as if it were a virtue.

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  1. Simple enough by Krishnoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    "How I Optimized My Morning Routine To Get More Done Than ever -- before 8 a.m.!"
    The people posting links like this have a sickness, and we need to stop it before it gets out of hand.

    Just swap their morning joe with decaf. Epidemic averted.

    1. Re:Simple enough by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe if the author had a hobby or something to occupy his free time, he wouldn't be worrying so much about how other people choose to spend theirs.

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    2. Re:Simple enough by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hate to see ANY US citizen lose their job to a H1b.

      My concern is whether we're creating enough jobs to keep up with population, thus avoiding unemployment growth; and if we're providing the social safety net to carry people through unemployment.

      One way or another, people lose jobs. Trade (including H1B labor trade) and technology do that; they also improve our standard-of-living. We take these things away, we get poorer, and the poorest suffer the most. That means the guy at the bottom... we need grocery baggers and burger flippers; he deserves to be recognized as an important part of the economy. The guy in the path of progress... we get richer because he lost his job; he's a big part of our economic growth.

      We owe these people support. We owe it to them to carry them to the next job. We owe it to them to keep them out of poverty when their wage isn't enough. We owe it to them to make sure they're mobile, that they can compete for the limited opportunities above their station--not everyone can be an astronaut. because we only need five of them, but being a burger flipper right now shouldn't mean you're automatically-excluded from becoming something better later.

      I want Americans to be secure. I want them to know they've got something to fall back on, and that they've got a future in a stable economy that can find a place for them. Maybe not today, but next month, or six months from now--and we'll carry you that far so you can take that opportunity when it comes.

    3. Re: Simple enough by Reverend+Green · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is NO social "safety net" in America. Trust me - been there, done that, thank God I survived.

      There are plenty of long-term welfare dependency programs, don't get me wrong. But there's basically NOTHING for a normal productive worker who's temporarily down on his luck.

      Don't believe me? Try it sometime! You'll be unpleasantly surprised.

    4. Re:Simple enough by lgw · · Score: 4, Informative

      there is NOTHING wrong with trying to make your work life as productive as possible.

      Extremes are bad for you. Moderation makes for a happier life.

      But, really, TFA is using the wrong terminology. The proper rant is "stop confusing activity with productivity!" If you fill your life with some way to be busy at all time, I have to wonder what you're running from. Efficiency is a good thing, but continuous frantic activity is not, despite both being approaches to productivity.

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    5. Re:Simple enough by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

      That being said, however.....there is NOTHING wrong with trying to make your work life as productive as possible. To do your best and to maximize your money making is a good thing to strive for!!!

      Why?

      What if I don't feel any drive to earn more money than I actually need to live an enjoyable life? What if I care a lot more about doing enjoyable things, than I do about raising some imaginary "productivity" stat on an imaginary character sheet.

      Sure, go ahead and try to maximize your productivity, if that actually, genuinely and honestly increases your happiness. If you take a deep look inside yourself, I think you'll find that there are other things you would rather do with your life.

      And no matter how productive you seem to be, there is always someone ready to whip you bloody, for not being productive enough. A lot of the time, that person is you, which is supremely unhealthy.

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    6. Re:Simple enough by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

      I don't know that I'll ever earn quite enough to say it is enough to make me truly enjoyable life.

      In that case, you probably need to seriously re-evaluate your toxic materialistic outlook on life, or learn how to balance a budget.

      Or you seriously need to change careers, if your current employment pays so little.

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  2. Take a nap. by Major_Disorder · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is the most productive use you will ever find for your time.

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  3. well... by fattmatt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    well that was a waste of time!

    1. Re:well... by asylumx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seriously, is there a point to this article?

    2. Re: well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      itâ(TM)s an oroborous of clickbait talking about clickbait /.
      News for clicks
      Stuff with referral links

    3. Re:well... by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      The difference between this and most articles that superficially look like it, is that this one is honest. The author admits he's jerking off and thinks you should too.

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  4. Have never thought of productivity as hours worked by ranton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have never really thought of productivity as how many hours of work I was able to fit into the day. It has always been how much output can I get for a given amount of input. Essentially how can I get more done with less effort. I'm not saying that is a better definition, but it is always how I have thought of it.

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  5. What the hell is this? by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It reads like an extended /. rant that gets modded up to +3 before finally being modded back down to -1 troll. Who greenlit this?

    People are more productive because we live in an incredibly competitive world. There's 6 billion+ people out there are most are dirt poor and a good chunk of them can work 12 hr/day 7 days a week for 20 years before dying of a heart attack. That's your competition. And as productivity increases there's less work to go around and more competition for what's left.

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    1. Re:What the hell is this? by networkBoy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The real trick is to *appear* competitive, while embracing being a "Loser" https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/ and producing enough that your clueless bosses are happy and staying off the sociopath's radar.

      automation is a god-send in this case. Just automate as much of your job as possible and then execute said automation while doing something else that appears productive but is entertaining. E.g. everyone knows what FB looks like in a browser window, but /. just looks like a wall of text, and since you're typing it appears that you're working dutifully, even when the boss sits literally next to you in the open plan office. (use a small browser window, with minimal UI).

      Just sayin...

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  6. I'm gone fishing by ruddk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm gone fishing
    I got me a line
    Nothing I do is gonna make the difference
    So I'm taking the time

    And you ain't never gonna be happy
    Anyhow, anyway
    So I'm gone fishing
    And I'm going today

  7. Paging Fox Butterfield by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Without fail, it’s the most privileged people who feel the need to Do Something"

    Yeah, maybe that's why they're "privileged".

    How did this anti-capitalist bullshit rant make it to "news for nerds, stuff that matters"?

    1. Re:Paging Fox Butterfield by hey! · · Score: 2

      "Productivity" is probably the wrong word here. "Activity" might be better.

      People often start doing *too* many things when they don't know *what* to do. You see this with entrepreneurs who are failing at that difficult transition from tiny early startup to something too big for one person. These people are in a high status position, but they don't know what to do with it. What they should do is make the transition from hands-on idea man to corporate leader, hire someone who can do that, or sell out. What they often end up doing is torpedoing their own business with unproductive or even counter-productive activity.

      People sometimes act as if suffering makes them deserving. Voluntarily partaking in useless suffering only makes you deserving of scorn. The best advice you can give someone who is overextended in his business is this: "focus on the stuff that really energizes you, hire people to do the stuff that drains you *then let them do their f'in job*."

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  8. Easy by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "So every morning, I get messages asking me to click through to articles like "How I Optimized My Morning Routine To Get More Done Than ever -"

    Well, just don't read these messages and you'll be amazed how much shit you can do during that time.

  9. Re:And there's socialism for you in a nutshell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually Communism's usual failure mode is the opposite.
    In general the problem is that "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need" rewards the needy and punishes the capable. You very quickly get people manufacturing needs and faking their hard work under communism.

    Capitalisms main failure modes are that it can't really handle anything that you can't exclude others from using unless they pay (which includes most art, any sort of large scale infrastructure subject to network effects, and) and that it degrades badly if individual actors can lie to each other (snake oil salsemen, bait and switch, etc.) Under capitalism you tend to get essential infrastructure owned by huge monopolies and rampant scamming.

    That's why most modern economies are a hybrid with a private sector that is regulated to prevent monopolies and fraud, and a public sector that collects taxes and pays for some amount of infrastructure.

  10. Re:Whaaa? by networkBoy · · Score: 2

    Calvinists are evil.
    (that's what I got)

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  11. Re:Some people have goals in life by perlstar · · Score: 2

    Agreed. Nothing wrong with productivity itself.

    My reading of the article:
    Dedicating yourself to a carefully chosen purpose is cool, but the author is ranting against people who have become obsessed with productivity for it's own sake, as a form of idolatry.

    My takeaway:
    Stop being so damn busy all the time and spend more time reflecting on what's actually important.

  12. Re:Have never thought of productivity as hours wor by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The author is incorrectly using "productive" (i.e. getting work done) and "busy" (i.e. doing stuff) interchangeably, when the two actually have distinct meanings. Which is somewhat ironic, since he's basically trying to argue that there's an important distinction being lost...which is exactly the distinction he seems to be unaware of.

    Once you swap out "productivity" for "busyness", you quickly realize what he's really getting at: the pursuit of busyness without productivity is a waste of time. Which is an obvious fact that most of us figured out early in our careers, but I guess kudos to him for coming to that realization?

  13. Re:I award you no points... by DavidHumus · · Score: 2

    Perhaps he says that because Nestle is known for dressing saleswoman as nurses to encourage poor Africans not to breastfeed - which has a lot of health benefits for infants - but to spend money on baby formula.

  14. Re:Have never thought of productivity as hours wor by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the early lessons in life I learned was, it wasn't how hard you worked, it was only important to work hard when the boss was looking. If you worked hard, and finished early, and the boss came around, you didn't do enough. If you didn't work at all when the boss wasn't looking but was busy when he showed up, you were okay.

    That was 30 years ago, and it is still true today. Optics are the only thing that matters.

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  15. Totally agree, and I'm not a lazy idiot by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My problem as I'm getting older (42 now...) is that I have a life outside of IT/technology. I've got a family, house and 2 children. That doesn't mean I'm some lazy middle manager or project manager clawing my way up the ladder to a no-work position and abandoning life-long learning. The issue I have is that younger people who haven't had the benefit of a life outside of tech are pumping out thing after thing after thing...and they're just different enough from each other and what's come before that you have to spend time looking at all of it or risk falling behind. The first dotcom bubble had the 25-year-old CEO, and this time we have relentless social media and DevOps tool companies. Amazon, Microsoft, Google and name-your-startup must have their employees permanently connected to a Red Bull IV to get that much work out of them.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with hard work...I do it every day. What I don't think the Millennial crowd has had yet is a good stomping from their employers to give them some perspective. Just like the last bubble, the VC funding is going to dry up for the startups, and the established tech companies are going to pull back and wait for a recovery. The free meals, bring-your-dog-to-work environments and concierge service are going to be replaced with layoff notices. And while these people will have many accomplishments under their belt, I'll bet some of them are going to wake up, look around and realize they've been giving 90 or 100 hours a week to an employer who just threw them out on the street.

    Don't live to work...companies are not going to be loyal to you anymore. Work hard, give good value for money, but slow down and enjoy your life while you can.

  16. The thing about the Protestant work ethic... by AtariEric · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The most important thing about the Protestant work ethic is not that Protestants think being busy is a virtue, it's that they use that so-called ethic to put people who don't fit their idea of "busy" down. It's there to ostracize people who don't fit into their mold. If they don't like you, you can't be busy or productive enough - they will find or invent a justification and persecute you with that.

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  17. Re:And there's socialism for you in a nutshell by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Informative

    "You very quickly get people manufacturing needs and faking their hard work under communism."

    Sure, capitalism doesn't have anybody manufacturing needs and faking their hard work.

    Except, in the world's capitalist bastion (the USA) research suggests anybody who says they work more than 40 hours a week is lying, most white collar workers actually do more like two or three cumulative hours of productive work a day, the performance you get from an executive is inversely proportional to their salary, and entire job classes, many of them "elite," are demonstrably no better than flipping coins (e.g. financial managers).

    Lying about your usefulness and inventing make work to keep the proles in line isn't a communist thing. It's a more-than-one-person-in-a-group thing. Actually, I bet most people isolated in the wilderness would also lie to themselves about how much work they actually did.

  18. Re: Sounds like another bitter millenial by blackomegax · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And you sound like a protestant cuck who's been slaved away their entire life. Stockholm syndrome. Look it up, bub.