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The Majority of Americans Prefer To Be Greeted With 'Merry Christmas' Over 'Happy Holidays', a Poll Finds

"Merry Christmas" is the preferred greeting of a strong majority of Americans. A survey carried in conjunction by news outlet Axios and SurveyMonkey found that 65 percent of the participants wish to be greeted with "Merry Christmas," while 28% prefer "Happy Holidays."

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  1. Preference vs. STRONG preference by mi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    65 percent of the participants wish to be greeted with "Merry Christmas," while 28% prefer "Happy Holidays."

    But the minority is willing to use violence , so we are all stuck with the neutered version.

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    1. Re:Preference vs. STRONG preference by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One can easily find behavior by people upset and angry over either version of this. The problem there is people engaging in violence in general over minor things. If you think that violent behavior is relegated to almost any single position on some issue, then you are probably wrong.

    2. Re:Preference vs. STRONG preference by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It depends on which side of the political spectrum you are in. Some people say Merry Christmas in a tone to say. Most of us are Christians so deal with it, vs just a friendly well wishing of the holidays.
      I tend to use Happy Holidays myself when dealing with people I don’t know. Not because I am trying to be PC or afraid they will be insulted for using a Christian holiday. But because I may not see this person for a few months so they will go then the holiday gauntlet thanks giving, Christmas and new years. And if they are celebrating some other holiday I hope they have a good time with it as well.
      If it is someone closer to me then I’ll use Merry Christmas just because I know they are celebrating Christmas and I’ll probably see them for other holidays.
      There is being PC then there is just being kind.

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    3. Re:Preference vs. STRONG preference by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Christmas is the official Federal holiday; what other Federal holiday is there on or around December 25th?

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    4. Re:Preference vs. STRONG preference by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also, do you go around saying "Happy Columbus day"

      Why yes, I do. Also Veterans Day and others too.

    5. Re:Preference vs. STRONG preference by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe the constant begging and ringing of the damn bell caused that person to flip. I sure can sympathize.

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    6. Re:Preference vs. STRONG preference by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm an atheist. And to me the difference between a delusion and a religion is basically the amount of people who share the delusion. Look up the textbook definition of delusion an tell me with a straight face that if it wasn't for the explicit exemption of religions from the definition that it would not fully, 100% describe basically any religion out there.

      Still, if someone wishes me a Merry Christmas, I wish them the same. Not because or despite any religion but because I know how they mean it. It is a happy wish from someone who wishes you to be happy. And the very last thing I could think of in that moment is how offended I could possibly be because he assumes that I share his delusion.

      At some point you just have to understand what people mean when they say something and not assume the worst. This is one of the occasions when it would be wrong to do so.

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    7. Re:Preference vs. STRONG preference by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Do you have proof that there is no invisible dwarf living under your house? If not, then why don't you leave out milk and cookies on the porch, because else he might damage your foundation. Should you ever have a damaged foundation, this is proof that there is a dwarf living under your house. Don't say I didn't warn you.

      That's just one of the things I could come up with in the 2 minutes of writing this. Give me an hour and I have a ton of things you cannot prove wrong and an equally large amount of things you should do "just in case", you'll be busy your whole life.

      Or you could do the sensible thing and brush them all aside, saying that you can dismiss without an argument assertions made without any proof.

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    8. Re: Preference vs. STRONG preference by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Odd. That would deserve some closer examination. All the trans people I know are doing WAY better after than before. Sure, anecdotes are no proof but I'd really want to see some research done in that area.

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  2. Nobody gives a fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Conservative snowflakes need to be reminded of Jesus Christ, the Liberal activist? Too bad they don't seem to know anything about his teachings.

    1. Re:Nobody gives a fuck. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      What don't they know? The greatest commandment which starts with loving God with everything, first?

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    2. Re: Nobody gives a fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is a silly post. Let's discuss all the reasons why.

      Christmas has its origins as a religious holiday, and is still celebrated as such. It's also the largest secular holiday of the year. No other holiday has nearly a month of special TV programming or the level of decorations that are given to Christmas. It's a federal holiday, as well. It's also become extremely commercialized. And there's also a lot of encouragement during the Christmas season to donate to charity and to more generally show good will toward others. One need not be a Christian to celebrate most of what Christmas has become. There is a very large secular and cultural element to the Christmas holiday. Aside from trees, Santa Claus is probably the most recognizable symbol of Christmas. Although the origins of Santa Claus are also religious, it's become almost totally secular and extremely commercialized.

      In regard to saying 'Happy Holidays', there are other holidays celebrated around the same time such as Hanukkah and, more recently, Kwanzaa. There's also the universal and secular holiday of New Year's Day. Happy holidays could include New Year's Day. It can also recognize that other people celebrate other holidays around the same time as Christmas. I have no problem with this.

      However, it's stupid to say 'Happy Holidays' if the reason is to risk not offending others. If you're offended by someone saying 'Merry Christmas', that is ridiculous. It's a case of being overly politically correct, and that is harmful. We're too afraid of offending people, especially because most people are sensible enough to not he offended by someone wishing them a Merry Christmas.

      Personally, I believe that wishing someone a Merry Christmas evokes more feelings of warmth and joy than wishing Happy Holidays. In large part, this is because of the cultural element of giving to others at Christmas and treating each other with good will. If you ignore the religious aspects of Christmas, there are many wonderful cultural and totally secular aspects of the holiday that everyone should be able to appreciate. That's why I prefer to be wished a Merry Christmas.

  3. Worst slashdot article ever? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Happy Holidays" was invented because 100% of Americans aren't Christian. But 65%? Congratulations! You just found a percentage of your sample audience that is Christian! Now you just have to ask yourself: Do you support tolerance of others?

    1. Re:Worst slashdot article ever? by HanzoSpam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No.

      "Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society."
      --Aristotle

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    3. Re: Worst slashdot article ever? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 3, Informative

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  4. Yes, but that's not the issue. by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Happy holidays is inclusive for everyone, and includes people who don't celebrate Christmas. Merry Christmas is fundamentally exclusionary. I'm Jewish, and I don't care much, but after living in Alabama for a while, I can see why people care. Let me tell a story that's relevant that occurred with a work colleague (who already knew I was Jewish based on earlier conversations) when I was in Alabama (this occurred about December 20th or so last year):

    Colleague: So are you going anywhere for Christmas break? Me: Well, for break, I'll be spending time with my family who is going to be in Puerto Rico, and my wife is going back to visit her family back North. Colleague: So you won't be together for Christmas? That's sad! Me: Well, the relevant winter holiday for Jews is Channukah, which isn't a big family holiday for us. The big family holidays are Passover and the Jewish New Year. Colleague: Oh ok, have a Merry Christmas, Me: You too, NAME.

    It was like he could not get in his head that someone didn't celebrate Christmas. Given that, it isn't at all surprising that some people find the repeated "Merry Christmas" really uncomfortable.

    1. Re: Yes, but that's not the issue. by tjansen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But isn't wishing a Merry Christmas like wishing someone to have a great weekend? It feels odd when someone says it even though you're going to work all weekend, but it's just a custom and well intentioned.

    2. Re: Yes, but that's not the issue. by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pretty much every single thing in your statement is wrong. First of all, the US isn't a country based off of Christian law. Second, of all obeying the law has nothing to do what greetings people use during holiday seasons. Third, I'm more than happy to say "Merry Christmas" to people who are Christian. Moreover, I explicitly said that *I don't care* if someone says Merry Christmas to me. The entire point was that experiences like the one I had make me understand why people would be directly uncomfortable with it.

    3. Re:Yes, but that's not the issue. by iNaya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't celebrate Christmas, and I don't give a damn if someone says "Merry Christmas" or anything else. I also don't care if people celebrate other religious holidays. It's not exclusionary - they're not excluding anyone. What kind of self-righteous dickhead does someone have to be to be offended by someone saying "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Channukah", or spreading their joy of a Hindu holiday or whatever. Who honestly gives a fuck?

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    4. Re:Yes, but that's not the issue. by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 2

      Jews killed Jesus so they probably don't really celebrate Christmas.

      And Jesus if he existed was himself Jewish and one of Gods Chosen people. You aren't of the chosen people.

    5. Re:Yes, but that's not the issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Quite frankly, I think you're just being really touchy about the whole issue with your work colleague. As someone else said, he just wanted to wish you a good day on what he considered a special day. You seem desperately needing to be offended in some way by someone who's only trying to inquire about your family and plans. I think that's a big problem in our society right now.

      Your colleague is certainly tolerate and accepting of your different religion. He's not particularly knowledgeable about yours, and why should he be? If you were into Football, and he's into basketball, do you have to get all huffy when he doesn't know about when your Big Game is?

      I can also understand why people get huffy about "merry christmas". I understand a lot of people get huffy about a lot of things that they shouldn't be. I also understand why wars happen. Understanding something and agreeing with it are two different things.

    6. Re: Yes, but that's not the issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Read your Bible...

      Then the leading priests and the older Jewish leaders had a meeting at the palace where the high priest lived. The high priestâ(TM)s name was Caiaphas. 4 In the meeting they tried to find a way to arrest and kill Jesus without anyone knowing what they were doing. They planned to arrest Jesus and kill him. 5 They said, âoeWe cannot arrest Jesus during Passover. We donâ(TM)t want the people to become angry and cause a riot.â

    7. Re: Yes, but that's not the issue. by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      Great summary, but I'll add that in your example with week days it's not just Thursday and Saturday; it's pretty much the whole week.

      Monday = Moon's Day / Roman Goddess Luna
      Tuesday = Tiw's Day / Norse God
      Wednesday = Wodan's Day / Norse God
      Thursday = Thor's Day / Norse God
      Friday = Frige's Day / Anglo-Saxon Goddess
      Saturday = Saturn's Day / Roman God
      Sunday = Sun's Day / A god in many religions

      Our week is pretty goddamn multicultural, and very religious.

    8. Re: Yes, but that's not the issue. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's the merry part I object to. I am not a merry man!

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    9. Re: Yes, but that's not the issue. by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      Civil holiday is an oxymoron. Only religions can have holidays because only religions consider anything holy or sacred, i.e. a rule so important they would murder you for violating it.

      You're letting your semantics override your common sense. "Holiday" may come from "holy day" but it definitely has a broader definition than that. Just imagine all the Brits who "go on holiday" every time they have a vacation. Then again, I personally count almost all time off as holy, but that's a matter of personal faith, I guess.

  5. Holidays? by rossdee · · Score: 2

    I have to work tonight, You Insensitive Clod!
    and I worked last night (Christmas Eve) as well

    1. Re:Holidays? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      I used to volunteer to work on Christmas Day. I don't celebrate the holiday and I can get a lot of work done without people calling/e-mailing with little tasks that take "only two minutes." Sadly, my company decided to stop allowing this a few years ago so now I'm required to take the day off.

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  6. Majority by Tailhook · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The majority of Americans aren't hate-filled malcontents that actively seek opportunities to be offended by nothing little holiday traditions. The majority of Americans know there is nothing in "Merry Christmas" that needs to be fixed and have low regard the shitheels that think there is.

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    1. Re:Majority by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      For one thing, the mere idolization of Santa is an abomination that reflects poorly on the true sanctity of the spirit.

      Wait, wait, wait, are you fat-shaming?

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  7. Loathing by mentil · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The only reason 'happy holidays' exists is because of people who are triggered by hearing 'merry christmas'. Unless the poll records how many people HATE 'merry christmas', then it won't reveal why 'happy holidays' exists.

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    1. Re:Loathing by Megol · · Score: 2

      No. It's because it's a generic phrase that covers those that sees the holidays as religious (several religions), those that aren't religious and those that don't give a fuck. It is a generic well-wishing that applies to all.

      The triggering is from the Christians that can't accept (or perhaps understand) that this isn't something only for celebrating the birth of a carpenter a long time ago. Reasonable people - including Christians - aren't triggered.

    2. Re:Loathing by gurps_npc · · Score: 2

      Happy Holidays exists not because people got visibly offended by the constant slights to non-Christians. And they do exist.

      Instead what happened was that the majority of the world is not christian and enough non-Christians owned companies and these non-Christians started saying Happy Holiday because they are not christian, so why would they wish some one to have a Merry Christmas. It was simply what people that are not christian did.

      But Christians also started saying it. Do you want to know why?

      Because those Christians that were NOT religious bigots realized that unless it is ACTUALLY Christmas and you know you are talking to a Christian, then it obviously makes more sense to say Happy Holiday. It's inclusive, not exclusive. Like saying "Welcome Ladies and Gentleman" rather than just saying "Welcome Gentleman".

      But then something else happened. A bunch of religious bigots came along and objected to wishing anyone a happy holiday. The idea of including the Jews and the Muslims, and the rest of the world made them physically ill. They couldn't stand the idea of being polite to a Jew or a Muslim.

      But the little Nazi bigots didn't dare actually say they refused to wish the Jews a Happy Holidays. They knew what would happen if they dared admit their dirty little secret.

      So instead they whined about not being allowed to say Merry Christmas. The truly religious are fine saying Happy Holiday. It's only the tiny, cowardly neo-nazies that object.

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  8. Happy Festivus by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Funny

    Welcome, newcomers. The tradition of Festivus begins with the airing of grievances. I got a lot of problems with you people! And now you're gonna hear about it!

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  9. slashdot totally misrepresents the poll by ysth · · Score: 2

    First, the poll was of "likely" greetings, not "preferred" ones. Huge difference there.

    Second, the poll was of what greetings the respondents used, not received. Even bigger difference.

  10. Bah... by Subm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Humbug!

  11. Greetings are from the greeter’s point of vi by Picodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Frankly, I don’t see anything in that conversation showing that your colleague “could not get in his head that someome didn’t celebrate Christmas”. He heard you, and on his way out, merely wished you an enjoyable day on the day that he calls Christmas Day.

    Seasonal greetings are not a reference to you, your culture and your lifestyle. They are a reference to those of the person greeting you (and, typically, of the larger community around you).

    For example, on Thanksgiving day, people who were not born in America likely won’t care a bit. Does that mean that it’s not Thanksgiving Day for them? Don’t they have the day off like everyone else? Should we care that they aren’t going to celebrate it? We wish them a happy day, and that day is named Thanksgiving Day. So Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

    Same thing for Christmas and any other holiday that’s massively followed by the larger part of the population. There’s nothing oppressive about it, unless one chooses to feel oppressed by it. Conversely, there is something oppressive about telling people that they may not name traditions that their community has long been widely following.

    If a Jewish faithful said something like “Happy Hanukkah” to me, I would absolutely find it oppressive on my part to tell him that I feel harassed by it. Personally, I would find his greeting inclusive on his part. I’d feel that he was mostly expressing friendship, while sharing a bit of his faith and culture, in a welcoming way, without trying to force it on me: a greeting is not the same thing as proselytising!

  12. I prefer "Merry Newtonmas"! "Happy Halloween" also by ToTheStars · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sir Isaac Newton was definitely verifiably born on Dec 25, 1642. To be fair, that was under the Julian Calendar, which corresponds to Jan 4 on our calendar, but it's as good a reason for the season as any. (Well, after axial tilt, of course, and orbital eccentricity on certain planets.) Sometimes I get really mixed up and say "Happy Halloween" because, y'know, DEC 25 == OCT 31.

    Aside: even ca. 200 AD, people were mostly guessing when Jesus Christ was actually born. The Church picked the date December 25 to align with the Roman celebration of the winter solstice, even though the date was "probably" wrong (and in fact some Eastern churches celebrate Christmas on Dec 25 in non-Gregorian calendars, and they definitely can't all be right), because the point of Christmas is celebrating Jesus's birth (and life, teachings, and death/resurrection^H^H^H^H bad weekend), not getting the exact dates right.

  13. Re:Of course they are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The campaign, dubbed Project Cassandra, was launched in 2008

    Obama didn't become President until 2009.

    Funny how that article completely glosses over that fact. It's almost like the author might be biased.

  14. Re:No doubt by Known+Nutter · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most people prefer their own religion to the one of other people, especially if they're in the majority. It's called 'bigotry'.

    Sorry, but no.

    Preference does not require intolerance, but bigotry does.

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  15. Uh... no by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it mostly came out of government functions. Schools, court buildings, etc. People were 'triggered' because a lot of non Christians get kinda nervous about the cult-like atmosphere of the evangelicals, the fact that many of our closest allies are still theocracies and the thousands of years of recorded history of religion being used in conjuncture with government to oppress.

    Through a lot of hard fought battles America became a secular nation, there are those of us who want to keep it that way. And then there are those among us who do not.

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  16. Re: Moron doesn't understand reality. by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Funny

    I would love to be greeted by a oral sex from every single 20 year old woman that weighs less than 150 lbs.

    Why so picky?

  17. Re:The US is a Christian nation by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Informative

    You should check the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution is the framework for operations, the Declaration of Independence is the reason for the nation to exist. And the Declaration does start off with God and the Creator right in the first two paragraphs. Deism was central to the creation of the US - our rights come from our Creator, not from man or anything else. At least according to the founders.

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  18. Saturnalia? by DrYak · · Score: 2

    No sorry, I didn't hear : I was too busy celebrating saturnalia~~

    In all seriousness, people have been celebrating the period of the year with the shortest days for as long as they've been able to look up in the sky, and notice what a solstice is (provided they've moved far away enough out of the tropical region to actually have an easily observable solstice).

    The fact the one specific small group decided to link this time of the year with some mythology about the birth of some dude who eventually ends up getting nailed on some wooden cross is at best a small foot note on the scale of the whole history of Homo sapiens.

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    1. Re:Saturnalia? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Informative

      What makes the whole shit even more hilarious is that of all the things celebrated at this day, the birth of Jesus is the only one that certainly didn't happen at this day.

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  19. Re:The US is a Christian nation by meglon · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The Declaration of Independence is not the reason this country exists, it was a declaration, mid-war, that the colonies would no longer submit to rule by the crown; that the relationship between colonies and crown were dissolved. It said nothing other than that about the future.

    ....as for religion....

    You should check out the Constitution where the only references to religion is:

    Article VI, subsection 3

    ....but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

    ...or the Bill of Rights....

    Amendment 1

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....

    Both of those are explicit prohibitions on government from promoting any given religion over any other.

    Or check out the Treaty of Tripoli....

    Article 11

    As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.....

    The Treaty of Tripoli was signed 10 years after the Constitution, and was passed unanimously by congress. Over half of the members of congress at that time had also signed the Constitutional.

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  20. Re:$100 Bill by grcumb · · Score: 2

    I'd prefer to be greeted by being given a hundred dollar bill. I'm not going to expect or demand that it happen.

    You know which one I prefer? FUCK YOU, that's the one I prefer.

    Merry fucking fuck you and happy fuck off.

    Christmas is beyond a travesty now. It's the fucking Gargantua and Pantagruel of holidays—a grotesquerie of selfishness, self-indulgence and fatuous self-congratulatory solemnity that purports to celebrate the most meaningless of moments. Okay, so Christ was a great guy. And he was born, just like every other living creature on the face of this globe, barring the parthenogenesis crowd. Big fucking deal. You want to celebrate something? Celebrate his caring. Celebrate his admonition to seek transcendence by discarding the material things of this world, to leave everything behind and to fucking love one another.

    Instead we have this bizarre, distorted twisted mythos of some guy who was too fucking holy to be born because some guy stuck his dick in it. No sir, that could never have happened, because that would be dirty, and the Lord, oh the LORD is so pure. So let's celebrate his pristinity through conspicuous consumption; let's celebrate our unity by driving home to every homeless person, every reject and everyone unloved man, woman and child just how fucking unloved they really are.

    Let's celebrate his compassion and caring by making an entire fucking season in which we're forced to confront the despair and the hollowness of our meaningless, pointless existence unless we accept that Mary went spunkless and her boy lives in the sky.

    Let's remind every thinking, intelligent person who ever gave it even a moment's passing thought that a massive portion of this species simply cannot allow you to remain aloof of this collective pathology, and if you reject it, or even question it momentarily, you're somehow waging war on society.

    So fuck all of you. Fuck you and fuck your elves and fuck your Ho-ho-horrible hyprocrisy and everything it represents.

    And next time, mom, don't make me wear this stupid sweater. Just get me an XBox like I asked.

    Fuck all of you.

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