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Windows 10 Visits To US Government Sites Surpass Windows 7 For the First Time (onmsft.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the gaining-ground dept.

In what may be a signal of changing attitudes for Windows 10, visits to U.S. government sites via Windows 10 have surpassed Windows 7 for the first time. On MSFT reports: This United States government website reports that of the 2.54 billion visits to U.S. Government websites over the past 90 days, 20.9% came from Windows 10, and 20.7% from Windows 7. Interestingly, Windows 8.1 came in at 2.7%, Windows 8 .05%, and other OS 0.8%. The numbers are a bit niche and could be just from a holiday bump based on the sites 90-day average, but they still do give a solid number comparison for the state of various OS and browser stats. When it comes to browser share, Edge was not popularly used to visit U.S. Government websites. Chrome was on top with 44.4%, Followed up Safari with 27.6%, Internet Explorer at 12.3%, and then Firefox at 5.9% and Edge at 3.9%. Though all these government percentages may be bleak for Microsoft, the latest AdDuplex December report also shows strong adoption for Windows 10 Fall Creators Update, so things can only go up from Microsoft from here on out.

111 comments

  1. Plot twist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The calls to the sites was windows 10 reporting home.

    1. Re:Plot twist by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Maybe there's a confounding factor, like for example Windows 10 users need to visit the government more because they're more likely to be living off GOVERNMENT CHEESE.

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  2. Linux? by Templer421 · · Score: 2

    Sir not appearing in this film.

    1. Re:Linux? by edis · · Score: 1

      Just when you thought it was not. You want OS that is neither expired, nor taken out of your hands.

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    2. Re:Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      right their with "Other OS" basically little more than a rounding error, not surprising really for desktops.

    3. Re:Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should it? People will use what they are used to, and what they are given, especially when changing takes even the smallest amount of work, no matter how inferior what they are using actually is. These of course is not even factors in most cases where people aren't even aware that there are alternatives.

      Reactions I've had when people learned that I use Linux: "What's that?" and "How can your computer work without Windows?" and my favorite, "No, you've got to have Windows somewhere on your computer, or it won't work!"

      That aside, however, Linux is growing, no matter how many smug and snide remarks idiotic Windows fanboys make. Evidence? The adding of a Linux subsystem to Windows. It's only that this growth is among professionals who doesn't visit government websites, not the plebs.

    4. Re:Linux? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Because it is such a small user base (GNU/Linux) while Android Linux has made it on the list.

      GUN/Linux distributions are still a Server OS. And most of its usage will not have people going to government sites.

      What I actually far more interesting is Windows (all versions) is under 50%, Chrome Browser is nearly as high as Windows users. Apple iOS connections still exceed Android by a small margin.

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    5. Re:Linux? by Horatio_Hellpop · · Score: 1

      So 2018 will be the "year of the linux desktop" ... right?

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    6. Re:Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine was 1996. Yours can be any year you decide, snot-face.

    7. Re:Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. Linux is a Server, Workstation, Embedded and HPC OS. It's prevalent everywhere except on desktops where ordinary plebs face it.

    8. Re:Linux? by Horatio_Hellpop · · Score: 1

      Billions of dollars in Fortune 500 companies disagree with you. Linux is for servers.

      But you're much smarter than anyone outside of your mom's basement, so there _is_ that.

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    9. Re:Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting logic. Fortune 500 companies pours money into Linux, therefore you can't use Linux on your desktop and I'm living in my moms basement - which is rather funny since she lives hundreds of kilometres away. Sounds a lot like you're just projecting.

      I can totally see how those things are connected. No, wait. I can't. I can see that you're even more retarded than I thought though.

    10. Re:Linux? by Horatio_Hellpop · · Score: 1

      I'm the one that's retarded, yet you're the one that couldn't see the obvious point of my post, which was that billions of dollars in Fortune 500 companies are spent on Microsoft Windows solutions FOR THE DESKTOP.

      And by all means, you CAN use Linux on the desktop, to use all sorts of great applications like .... uhm ... well ....

      GiMP (no, it sucks, poor-mans Photoshop Elements (not even close to Photoshop itself) ... just like any other app that professionals use from ACC) ...
      OpenOffice ... no, that blows up Excel pivot tables, and pagination and Track Changes doesn't work for Word docs ....
      Rhythmbox ... oh wait, I have Spotify on my Windows box ... where's the Linux build for it? Oh, Ubuntu only? Oh, it is no longer maintained since nobody uses it? I suppose I could use the hobbled "web player" and lose lots of features, but who cares?
      Wine ... oh, right, there are Windows apps I still need to run, so let's use this piss-ass kludge of code that supports Word 2007.
      Neverputt and Nexuiz -- the pinnacle of gaming on Linux, because the Steam app only has 10-year-old windows ports, and laughable linux games, no better than Chromium BSU.

      But sure, use what you want, you're on the bleeding edge of tech. I'll just run Ubuntu server as an app, *natively,* on my Windows 10 box thanks to hypervisor and WSL for development work. But again, you're much smarter than anyone outside of your mom's basement, not matter where that basement is located.

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  3. But how many visits are intentional? by ad454 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Compared to visits to USA government tracking sites, due to back doors placed in Windows 10, as well as newer Intel and AMD processors with ME and PSP?

    1. Re:But how many visits are intentional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "due to back doors placed in Windows 10"
      Do you have any evidence these backdoors exist? Surely you must have some evidence to back up your statement. People have been looking for these mythical back doors in every version of Windows since 3.0 but have never found any evidence of intentional backdoors secreted away in an MS OS. And if these backdoors do exist why are hackers wasting time on creating exploit tools when they could just use the pre-existing back doors?

    2. Re:But how many visits are intentional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People have been looking for these mythical back doors in every version of Windows since 3.0 but have never found any evidence

      _NSAKEY_ issue with W2K and XP.

    3. Re:But how many visits are intentional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh, Microsoft themselves admit that Windows 10 has built-in spyware that can't be turned off.

    4. Re: But how many visits are intentional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spyware is not a backdoor

    5. Re: But how many visits are intentional? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      You are kidding right? There have been so many ways to compromise Windows and take over the machine it spawned an entire anti-virus industry. True it would be impossible to prove any of the holes were intentional, but saying "You can't prove any of them were intentional so it never happened" is as absurd as your implication that there is no proof Microsoft can't be trusted.

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    6. Re: But how many visits are intentional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *facepalm*

      You are a fucking idiot.

    7. Re: But how many visits are intentional? by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      There are ways to compromise macOS and GNU/Linux, so I guess they have backdoors and/or are intentional too!

    8. Re:But how many visits are intentional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IPv6 in 4 tunnel directly back to Redmond. You don't think a tunnel through the Internet is enough of a back door?

    9. Re: But how many visits are intentional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Linux doesn't phone home. Strange how you forgot that.

  4. Why aren't people using Edge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks like a really good browser. Personally I don't use it because I don't trust it. I think Microsoft is collecting too much information, and the only secure browser at this point is Firefox.

    1. Re:Why aren't people using Edge? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      I only trust Opera, because I know China will never want to share my information with the USA.

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    2. Re:Why aren't people using Edge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In exchange, China are the ones with your info. How is that any better?

    3. Re:Why aren't people using Edge? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      How is woosh any better? Explain.

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    4. Re:Why aren't people using Edge? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Troll

      I only trust Opera, because I know China will never want to share my information with the USA.

      China will do anything for money. Are you new?

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    5. Re:Why aren't people using Edge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For starters, China is not even doing a fraction of the evil things America is doing around the world. How's that to begin with?

    6. Re:Why aren't people using Edge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China has zero control or influence over me.

    7. Re:Why aren't people using Edge? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      We have been burned too much with IE.
      IE/Edge being integrated with the OS is a BAD IDEA. Because you are exposing your Operating System to the Internet, with a connection to a complex parsing engine and interpreted language. It wasn't about sites spying on you, but the fact using IE to browse the internet could lead to your computer being compromised.

      Chrome has its sandbox. Sure it may be sending data to google for adds, but at least I can go to a site and not worry about backdoor apps installed on my computer.

      Edge may have fixed this, but we have had such a bad experience with IE and IE 6 being around for much too long (Like Netscape 4) it has became a joke to use compared to Chrome which better supports HTML5 and has good security.

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    8. Re:Why aren't people using Edge? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Every time I try to use Edge, I find run into something that's broken after about 2 minutes. That might have something to do with it. Sad thing is whatever is broken usually works fine if I try it in IE. Microsoft would be better off if they just turned it into a wrapper around the IE engine. Or just throw in the towel entirely and use Blink like everyone else.

  5. Strong adoption of mandatory matter by edis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I found that it was hard to avoid updates enforced on you - my quick review of the Windows 10 options on computer of my client has shown like 40 days delay before it is to happen anyway. While another notebook hung during that monolith update, with subsequent reversal of whole shebang. If you are engineer, you can start having good ideas of what awaits ahead with Windows 10 style of arrangement. Effectively, you are not even in control of the OS anymore - if this OS to be.

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    1. Re:Strong adoption of mandatory matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do the Creators Updates even work with traditional BIOS machines? My UEFI system updated at the launch evening, while the BIOS machines are still running with the 1607 version.

    2. Re:Strong adoption of mandatory matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Creator and Fall update work just fine on my 2008 Toshiba laptop and my 2010 Asus Sabretooth x85. No problem at all, now Microsoft/Asus support for RAID on the controller? Not good at all, Windows 10 software based RAID? Sucks hard - real hard.

  6. Microsoft-biased statistics? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Informative

    Of the 2.54 billion visits to U.S. Government websites over the past 90 days:
    - 20.9% came from Windows 10
    - 20.7% from Windows 7
    - 2.7% from Windows 8.1
    - 0.05% from Windows 8
    - 0.8% from other OS

    Either they can't count, or that 0.8% does not include OS X/macOS, iOS, Android, Linux, BSD, etc in which case that 0.8% is the total number of Windows XP, Windows NT, Windows 98 and Windows 95 users.

    When it comes to browser share:
    - 44.4% for Chrome
    - 27.6% for Safari
    - 12.3% for Internet Explorer
    - 5.9% for Firefox
    - 3.9% for Edge

    Safari is only available on OS X/macOS and iOS, so it's clear the percentages for the OS are only for Windows.

    Are they afraid to tell us the number of people who don't use Microsoft on their computers/tablets/phones?

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    1. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Informative

      "edit", sort of (another feature that Slashdot lacks)

      The numbers are all there on the website, it's just BeauHD writing trolling summaries once again.

      p.s.: my comment was written in accordance with the Slashdot tradition: post angry comment first, read article later.

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    2. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      p.s.: my comment was written in accordance with the Slashdot tradition: post angry comment first, read article later.

      /. tradition is comment first and never read article.

      That's twice you got it wrong.

    3. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Since the OS numbers only total up to 45.15%, where did the other 54.85% come from?

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    4. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Safari is only available on OS X/macOS and iOS

      News to me, I have a VM that's been running Safari on Win 7 for browser testing a good 3-4 years now. Could you substantiate your assertion please?

    5. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Informative

      You must be running a relic of a version, Safari hasn't been available for Windows for over half a decade.

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    6. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      From the site, other is actually other versions of Windows. It says "other" not "other OS". The other operating systems are listed separately.

    7. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When it comes to browser share:
      - 44.4% for Chrome
      - 27.6% for Safari
      - 12.3% for Internet Explorer
      - 5.9% for Firefox
      - 3.9% for Edge

      Safari is only available on OS X/macOS and iOS, so it's clear the percentages for the OS are only for Windows.

      You got them. This is fake news. if Safari is 27.6% then surely the OS should include Android and Linux and iOS too!!! But posting a different stat for OS and different for browser is fishy! Article should mention clearly, that the OS stats covers only M$ OS and nothing else.

    8. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bloody hell, you're right. Reckon that's one smell test I can dump, cheers!

    9. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly.
      But nevermind, some trolls would lie a lot, just to defend his fake news.

    10. Re: Microsoft-biased statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Username Checks out

    11. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Since the OS numbers only total up to 45.15%, where did the other 54.85% come from?

      OS/2 Warp, most likely. I hear that the government still has tens of thousands of those. I'm sure you can get an NCSA Mosaic browser for them.

    12. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by suss · · Score: 2

      iOS 25%
      Android 18%
      MacIntosh 9%
      ChromeOS 1%
      Other 1%

      Source: the link in the story that goes to https://analytics.usa.gov/

    13. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      OS/2 Warp, most likely. I hear that the government still has tens of thousands of those. I'm sure you can get an NCSA Mosaic browser for them.

      Most government sites don't work correctly without Javascript, let alone CSS, either because the sites are spying on you or because the government is shit at HTML, or both. I'm betting on both.

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    14. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is the most vulnerable browser in the world Safari on Windows, yes you can still install it on windows

      https://support.apple.com/kb/DL612?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

  7. Shocking news! by guacamole · · Score: 4, Informative

    After discontinuing sales of Windows 7 licenses, blocking Windows 7 (and 8 updates) on 7th generation Core CPUs, and forcing malicious upgrades from 7 to 10 without user's consent, Windows 10 is finally starting to surpass 7. I can't believe this was possible.

  8. Apples and Oranges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The LTSB version is perfectly fine and stable.
    You know, the version of windows 10 we CAN'T purchase from MS.
    You can pull out all the telemetry, every bloated feature. Everything / anything you want.
    They're conflating a product they sell to the government as the SAME product they make available to consumers and that's deceptive across the board.

    1. Re:Apples and Oranges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have Windows 10 BLT, but not Windows 10 LGBT.

    2. Re:Apples and Oranges by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Windows 10 LGBT is superficially very slick but it goes mental if you refuse to bake it a wedding cake. Also no arrangement of bathrooms is acceptable to it.

      And when you're trying to fill in your TPS reports it keeps bothering you with gross details of its sex life. And then complains to your boss that you're a bigot when you tell it to fuck off.

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    3. Re:Apples and Oranges by jawtheshark · · Score: 2

      More like Windows 10 BSDM

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  9. Windows 10 / 2016 not trustworthy by Jimmyandben · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If it wasn't for all of the dirty tatics that Microsoft made happen, I might be more inclined to trust them. The forced Telemetry was the toughest fo swallow and can't justify it for our users or safe guarding our data. Windows 2016 seems to have forced telemetry built in as well which means we may have to choose another system such as BSD or Linux. These are real discussions happening at our company because of the distrust that Microsoft has enabled.

    1. Re:Windows 10 / 2016 not trustworthy by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      These are real discussions happening at our company because of the distrust that Microsoft has enabled.

      We had those as well. But then given that Windows 10 Enterprise versions don't have the telemetry enabled, and that Microsoft is already a trusted partner for cloud services for confidential and secret documents all that happened was that Windows 10 was rubbers stamped for trail roll-out.

      For all they've done in the consumer space and small business market, it is largely irrelevant in the enterprise where MS makes most of its money.

    2. Re:Windows 10 / 2016 not trustworthy by Horatio_Hellpop · · Score: 1

      And turning off the telemetry is trivial: https://www.oo-software.com/en...

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    3. Re:Windows 10 / 2016 not trustworthy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the lollipop-sucker told another lie. It's not trivial. Even if you "turn it off" guess what? That doesn't really turn it off. And it will re-enable itself the next time you update your system, as will any other setting that lets Microsoft snoop unimpeded on you and your computer.

      I guess that's good in a way though, it indicates that these settings actually does something since MS apparently doesn't like that you try to shut them out. If they hadn't taken steps to reset everything to full snoop-mode at every opportunity, who would have any idea if these settings actually did anything?

  10. So... let's look at this... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ... An operating system (Windows 10) that was given away as a free upgrade to older versions finally has more hits than those older versions. An operating system which had such a poor uptake when it was given away for free and subsequently Microsoft had to try to trick users into upgrading to it, finally has more hits than those older versions. Yeah, that is something that Microsoft should crow about on /. .

    .

    Geesh.

  11. Interesting amount of mobile users by jeepies · · Score: 1

    It's eye opening to see mobile (iOS and Android) makes up about 43% and desktops only (Windows and Mac) only about 55%. I'm assuming Linux is a lot of the "Other" at 0.7%.

    1. Re:Interesting amount of mobile users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read all of the comments above, Linux OS and iOS/macOS is not included on this statistics. Stats on TFA is just purely M$ OS.

    2. Re:Interesting amount of mobile users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you go and actually look at the site https://analytics.usa.gov/

      Windows, MacOS, iOS, Android, Macintosh and ChromeOS, as well as 0.7% of "Other" is included. One can only assume Linux is in that "Other" So much for Linux ever winning the desktop battle.

      If you goto https://analytics.usa.gov/data/ you can download the raw data in CSV and other formats. Linux is listed in that raw data!

      For those too lazy, here is the count by OS for Dec 27th

      Windows 12623027
      iOS 7596181
      Android 5048517
      Macintosh 2185384
      Linux 140569
      Chrome OS 140151
      Windows Phone 17087
      (not set) 12245
      BlackBerry 6796
      Tizen 1045
      Xbox 1016
      OS/2 749
      Samsung 460
      FreeBSD 289
      Nintendo WiiU 191
      Firefox OS 123
      Playstation 3 112
      Nintendo 3DS 95
      Nokia 92
      Google TV 85
      Playstation Vita 77
      OpenBSD 49
      SymbianOS 45
      Nintendo Wii 31
      LG 28
      SunOS 21
      UNIX 16

  12. So that's what the Russians are using by sandbagger · · Score: 1

    So the FSB is up to date unlike the NT Servers they are targeting.

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  13. Not much of an endorsement by nateman1352 · · Score: 1

    Considering that Win7 only has 2 more years of security patches, I suspect most people like myself are just migrating because it will be mandatory pretty soon and don't want to wait until the last minute.

    Combine that with a lot of new systems are incapable of booting Win 7 (Win 7 can't boot from NVMe SSDs, and even with UEFI boot Win 7 needs legacy BIOS/CSM because it uses INT10 VGA BIOS calls... a lot of new systems don't have this in firmware anymore.) And even if it would work MSFT won't allow Win7 to be used on any new systems and don't forget their dubious upgrade tactics.

  14. Missing Stats: iOS 25%, Android 18%, MacOS 9% by pkiff · · Score: 5, Informative

    Both the summary and the original article fail to explain that the "Other OS" with 0.8% actually means Other *Windows* OSes. They fail completely in providing useful context about how the percentages of Windows flavours compare to those of iOS, Android, and Mac. Here are the missing stats that come from the analytics.usa.gov site: iOS 25.2%, Android 18.2%, Macintosh 9%. This also explains how Safari is the 2nd most popular browser with 26%.

    1. Re:Missing Stats: iOS 25%, Android 18%, MacOS 9% by Horatio_Hellpop · · Score: 1

      I'll admit it is a tad confusing, but the headline was comparing Windows 10 to Windows 7 ... not to anything else.

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  15. win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kannada Songs

  16. 2.54 billion by pgn674 · · Score: 1

    So, 1 trillion in American imperial?

    1. Re: 2.54 billion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 billion bytes is 1 terrabyte, correct?

    2. Re: 2.54 billion by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      1 billion bytes in metric is 1.414213562373095 TebiHogsheads in Imperial.

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  17. Windows 10 Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coming out of sleep, can't access networking. Today, wifi icon shows me that there's a problem but I can surf the web just fine. Windows 10 is a piece of shit.

  18. Re:Trump's visits to the golf course surpass all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You politicians sure do whinge and whine a lot. Please, shut the fuck up.

  19. Re:Numbers don't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks Nancy,

    Your posts are always enlightening and right on topic! Keep up the good work over there at Special Education!

    I have noted that Chris uses child psychology to convince his so called trolls to give up by pretending they just give him free publicity. That's adoring! ;-)

    Anyway Chris would have a hard time to learn anything above child level matters, including psychology.

    https://childdevelopmentinfo.c...

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    University of California, Berkeley

  20. Re:Numbers don't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read what Chris Reimer (cdreimer) wrote here:
    https://groups.google.com/foru...

    You are such a perfect miracle imbecile Chris!

    I can't believe that you are actually imbecile enough to post this thread here. It makes you look like an even more imbecile fucktard yet.

    As some have stated on that thread "dot is NOT an operator", you fucktard! Apperently, you did not read the thread yourself or more likely, your ameba brain reading comprehension doesn't allow you to understand its content.

    It's like asking: What is the dot operator precedence in Linux Slackware 1.2.3? You can't daisy chain dot operators in Windows versions (e.g. 3.1, 3.11, etc.)

    What is the precedence in the 2.5 IQ that you possess?

    And if you ever asked about real operators the word is "Precedence" you fucktard!

    Dots are not operators in ANY OOP language you silly fuck!

    See java:
    https://docs.oracle.com/javase...

    For python, you could have googled it but no, you needed to grab the attention on that google group and didn't care that it made you look like a total fool.
    http://reeborg.ca/docs/oop_py_...

    See example in above link:
    Fido.head.mouth.teeth.canine.hurts();
    Other example:
    Criemer.head.brain.isHurting(); This is always false because your head is empty you dumb fuck!

    But Criemer.head.isEmpty() always returns true...

  21. Re:Numbers don't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    All you need to do is find a website with a permissive TOS, say, Slashdot, create a Python script to scrape your own comments, sprinkle Amazon affiliate links in various posts, and then re-post past links whenever possible. Won't be long before you start making "coffee money" each month.

    https://slashdot.org/comments....

    C.D. Reimer is a renowned Slashdot collaborator, as he puts it himself; "Because of the quality of my posts and my article submissions, I'm a highly rated commentator and moderator."

    But does anybody ever wondered what "C.D." stands for? Well, it stands for Creimy Dumpty of course!

    Creimy Dumpty sat on the wall,
    Creimy Dumpty had a great fall.
    All the king's horses
    And all the king's men
    Couldn't put Creimy Dumpty
    Together again.

    Creimy's siblings video and theme song, very realistic, especially the pants, just like Creimy's:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    With "Vice President Pence Vowing US Astronauts Will Return To the Moon", we are sure they will need miracle workers up there, here is what it would look like. Note that Creimy takes care of bringing a lot of food to the moon as depicted below:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Creimy's real pictures:
    Before the sex change:
    https://ibb.co/cc7Ddw
    After the sex change:
    https://ibb.co/gVad65

    Creimy's "enterprise-level" chair, he talks about it all the time on slashdot:
    http://www.keynamics.com/image...

    Creimy's head, while his supervisor was talking to him, not with him, since it is impossible to do with Creimy:

  22. Re:Numbers don't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahaha creimer! A bunch of weirdos and lunatics like yourself trying to "game" youtube algorithm.

    One even named his video "gaming the youtube algorithm" ;-)

    Youtube algorithm is secret you dumb fuck!

    Do you remember when you thought you had an infinite number of karma points on /. you fat imbecile? Same thing again you clueless ameba.

    Despite being secret, the youtube algorithm is much smarter than the slashdot one. It will drive you into oblivion way much quickly!

    All algorithms are designed to avoid nuisances like yourself!

  23. Re:Numbers don't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot revenue streams from the spinoffs, for example, this spinoff of your Christmas video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  24. Re:Trump's visits to the golf course surpass all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not a politician, just the guy killing treasonous faggots. You.

  25. 5.9% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So it wasn't just me, people have abandoned Firefox in droves. I have mixed feelings about seeing a once decent browser in its death throes, but I'm glad that everyone is just saying no to what they've turned it into, starting with 29 (the Chrome wannabe interface) and culminating with 57 (the end of extensions, aka the only thing that ever made the browser great.)

    Fuck you Mozilla

    1. Re:5.9% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's open source, make your own browser since you seem to know what would make the perfect one.

  26. Mod me down, fifty cent army by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I can make more modpoints. Of course, I realize that you can make more Chinese, but I can drain their modpoints as well.

    Anyone who believes that Chinese corporations won't turn around and sell your data to anyone who will buy it is a total fucking idiot who should not be permitted to post comments to Youtube, let alone Slashdot.

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    1. Re:Mod me down, fifty cent army by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice blanket statement, you racist asshole.

    2. Re:Mod me down, fifty cent army by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Nice blanket statement, you racist asshole.

      You could say the same about Russian or American corporations, fifty-center.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    3. Re:Mod me down, fifty cent army by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except you didn't until you got called out for being racist. Nice attempt to backpedal though.

  27. Re:Trump's visits to the golf course surpass all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You talk about politics, that makes you a politician. Fuck off and die, you weak little shit.

  28. Re:Trump's visits to the golf course surpass all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You talk about politics, that makes you a politician. Fuck off and die, you weak little shit.

    You have a very odd definition of the word politician.

  29. Business Use by leeosenton · · Score: 1

    Windows for business (Pro and Enterprise) is a piece of cr*p and is loaded with garbage. I'm at work and totally want to play Candy Crush. WTF is going through their heads? And they bend over backwards to collect user data. Particularly, they try to get users to create and use a Microsoft account on a new PC or instance of Windows. I have a MSDN subscription and can get/install any version of Windows or Windows Server that I want. I wiped and reloaded my workstation with Windows 10 Enterprise. If you haven't installed Windows 10 lately, you will be digging to find a way to avoid creating a Microsoft account. They act like an overly excited poodle wrapped around your ankle trying to gather as much data as possible including personal identifying data. They work hard to force or trick users into consenting to data collection. I'm sick and tired of fighting to maintain control of my work PC and dev system. I'm convinced they are still collecting data that I haven't knowingly given them permission to access, but I have work to do and I can't sit around devising ways to monitor what they collect. I shouldn't have to police a company that I have paid for a product. Windows 10 is tightly bound to paid MS services and data collection. I have over 30 MacBooks for iOS developers and we don't have this problem with them. They aren't preloaded with Xbox or Candy Crush and data gathering is simple to disable (answer no to a direct question 1 time). After a year with my company and living with a MacBook and 2 PCs on my desk, I bought my own MacBook. The PCs and Windows 10 are a constant pain in the a**. Yes, I'm aware of Linux but prefer MacOS for consistency with work and ability to run Visual Studio, Xcode, and Photoshop. Why is Windows 10 hitting government services more than Windows 7? Simple answer is time. People need and/or want new PCs and they all have Windows 10. It isn't possible for the average user to wipe 10 and load 7 on a new system and that may not even be possible at all on some systems. By the way, I'm on vacation this week and sending this rant from my MacBook using simple old Safari. Microsoft can piss off as far as I'm concerned.

  30. Re:Trump's visits to the golf course surpass all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you have no understanding of societal constructs. If you are interested in programming, you are a programmer. If you are interested in mechanics, you are a mechanic. If you are interesting in driving, you are a driver. If you are interested in politics, you are a politician.

    It's so simple that even a child could understand.

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  32. But they do like it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Due to the fact that windows10 was sneaked into my laptop and read and heard other people complaining with the same problem I guess most of those users were not using it on purpose.
    The thing I dislike most is the updating scheme, there are lots of another silent downloads and uploads, and some times keeps asking reboot and sometimes.it does it by itself closing all the open programs.

  33. Re:Numbers don't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Creimer has 6,000+ views (one video with 5K views) and only six subscribers. Looks like he's good at ranking his recent videos in SEO. Since he started publishing weekly videos, he picked up two new subscribers. His channel should have a nice growth curve in 2018.

    High subscribers, low views --> possibilities:
    - Very few videos, but popular
    - Very good advertising to interested people, but bad SEO
    High views, low subscribers --> possibilities:
    - viral video(s)
    - good SEO (vids rank on search, often doesn't generate as many subs however)
    - Popular content, but viewers don't expect to see more so they don't subscribe

    http://yttalk.com/threads/289-subscribers-and-72-000-views.67378/

  34. Re:Numbers don't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    His channel should have a nice growth curve in 2018.

    Nothing associated with creimer has nice curves.

  35. Re:Numbers don't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chris living in his imaginary world again which most people find weird, twisted and absurd and which Chris accepts as being perfectly normal.

    Chris, quit reading that get rich quick junk on the Internet and go work the night shift at McDonald's and put that money into savings. You will thank me later, I promise.

    ---
    Nancy Guerrero
    Director
    Special Education
    Santa Clara County Office of Education

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  38. Re:Numbers don't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly Nancy,

    It seems like Chris is a victim here. He keeps on reading those SEO, youtube algorithm, basically get rich quick sites. He doesn't realize that he is the fish for them since they make money off him with their own scheme. Then, he wastes his time trying to implement what those sites suggest and he ends up disturbing people.

    I believe we should bring this up at our next meeting. He might not be our only patient victim of such on-line abuse.

    --
    Silvia Bunge
    Psychology Department
    University of California, Berkeley

  39. Re:Numbers don't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You want fast growth on YouTube? Make videos for 13/14/15-year-olds

  40. Re:Numbers don't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suggest getting the help of the Rust community for the technical parts of this problem. I am a member myself on this seems like a great case for us!

    https://www.rust-lang.org/en-U...

  41. Re:Numbers don't surprise me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately, this is above Chris' capabilities since this is way above his mental age and level of understanding.

    --
    Silvia Bunge
    Psychology Department
    University of California, Berkeley

  42. Re:Trump's visits to the golf course surpass all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess you would be the child in your own insane metaphors?

  43. In Soviet America... by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    ...government website visits your Windows 10 computer.

    --

    I'm not repeating myself
    I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
  44. Letting Google see everything you do by buchanmilne · · Score: 1

    So, their page says their software is open-source, including the "collector" ( https://github.com/18F/analyti... ). Unfortunately, all that seems to be is some JavaScript to fetch and process Google Analytics data.

    I thought the US government would be able to do an adequate job of collecting and processing "meta-data" without giving all of that information to Google ...

  45. Windows 10 is possibly the worst spyware ever made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows 10 is possibly the worst spyware ever made.

    Windows 10 shows you ads while you are trying to work. But, at least at present, you may be able to stop at lease some of the advertising: 7 ways Windows 10 pushes ads at you, and how to stop them.

  46. Re:Trump's visits to the golf course surpass all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually I was referring to you. The fact that you couldn't pick up on that doesn't speak too highly of your mental faculties.