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Windows 10 Visits To US Government Sites Surpass Windows 7 For the First Time (onmsft.com)

In what may be a signal of changing attitudes for Windows 10, visits to U.S. government sites via Windows 10 have surpassed Windows 7 for the first time. On MSFT reports: This United States government website reports that of the 2.54 billion visits to U.S. Government websites over the past 90 days, 20.9% came from Windows 10, and 20.7% from Windows 7. Interestingly, Windows 8.1 came in at 2.7%, Windows 8 .05%, and other OS 0.8%. The numbers are a bit niche and could be just from a holiday bump based on the sites 90-day average, but they still do give a solid number comparison for the state of various OS and browser stats. When it comes to browser share, Edge was not popularly used to visit U.S. Government websites. Chrome was on top with 44.4%, Followed up Safari with 27.6%, Internet Explorer at 12.3%, and then Firefox at 5.9% and Edge at 3.9%. Though all these government percentages may be bleak for Microsoft, the latest AdDuplex December report also shows strong adoption for Windows 10 Fall Creators Update, so things can only go up from Microsoft from here on out.

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  1. Plot twist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The calls to the sites was windows 10 reporting home.

    1. Re:Plot twist by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Maybe there's a confounding factor, like for example Windows 10 users need to visit the government more because they're more likely to be living off GOVERNMENT CHEESE.

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  2. Linux? by Templer421 · · Score: 2

    Sir not appearing in this film.

    1. Re:Linux? by edis · · Score: 1

      Just when you thought it was not. You want OS that is neither expired, nor taken out of your hands.

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    2. Re:Linux? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Because it is such a small user base (GNU/Linux) while Android Linux has made it on the list.

      GUN/Linux distributions are still a Server OS. And most of its usage will not have people going to government sites.

      What I actually far more interesting is Windows (all versions) is under 50%, Chrome Browser is nearly as high as Windows users. Apple iOS connections still exceed Android by a small margin.

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    3. Re:Linux? by Horatio_Hellpop · · Score: 1

      So 2018 will be the "year of the linux desktop" ... right?

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    4. Re:Linux? by Horatio_Hellpop · · Score: 1

      Billions of dollars in Fortune 500 companies disagree with you. Linux is for servers.

      But you're much smarter than anyone outside of your mom's basement, so there _is_ that.

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    5. Re:Linux? by Horatio_Hellpop · · Score: 1

      I'm the one that's retarded, yet you're the one that couldn't see the obvious point of my post, which was that billions of dollars in Fortune 500 companies are spent on Microsoft Windows solutions FOR THE DESKTOP.

      And by all means, you CAN use Linux on the desktop, to use all sorts of great applications like .... uhm ... well ....

      GiMP (no, it sucks, poor-mans Photoshop Elements (not even close to Photoshop itself) ... just like any other app that professionals use from ACC) ...
      OpenOffice ... no, that blows up Excel pivot tables, and pagination and Track Changes doesn't work for Word docs ....
      Rhythmbox ... oh wait, I have Spotify on my Windows box ... where's the Linux build for it? Oh, Ubuntu only? Oh, it is no longer maintained since nobody uses it? I suppose I could use the hobbled "web player" and lose lots of features, but who cares?
      Wine ... oh, right, there are Windows apps I still need to run, so let's use this piss-ass kludge of code that supports Word 2007.
      Neverputt and Nexuiz -- the pinnacle of gaming on Linux, because the Steam app only has 10-year-old windows ports, and laughable linux games, no better than Chromium BSU.

      But sure, use what you want, you're on the bleeding edge of tech. I'll just run Ubuntu server as an app, *natively,* on my Windows 10 box thanks to hypervisor and WSL for development work. But again, you're much smarter than anyone outside of your mom's basement, not matter where that basement is located.

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  3. But how many visits are intentional? by ad454 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Compared to visits to USA government tracking sites, due to back doors placed in Windows 10, as well as newer Intel and AMD processors with ME and PSP?

    1. Re:But how many visits are intentional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "due to back doors placed in Windows 10"
      Do you have any evidence these backdoors exist? Surely you must have some evidence to back up your statement. People have been looking for these mythical back doors in every version of Windows since 3.0 but have never found any evidence of intentional backdoors secreted away in an MS OS. And if these backdoors do exist why are hackers wasting time on creating exploit tools when they could just use the pre-existing back doors?

    2. Re:But how many visits are intentional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People have been looking for these mythical back doors in every version of Windows since 3.0 but have never found any evidence

      _NSAKEY_ issue with W2K and XP.

    3. Re: But how many visits are intentional? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      You are kidding right? There have been so many ways to compromise Windows and take over the machine it spawned an entire anti-virus industry. True it would be impossible to prove any of the holes were intentional, but saying "You can't prove any of them were intentional so it never happened" is as absurd as your implication that there is no proof Microsoft can't be trusted.

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    4. Re: But how many visits are intentional? by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      There are ways to compromise macOS and GNU/Linux, so I guess they have backdoors and/or are intentional too!

  4. Strong adoption of mandatory matter by edis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I found that it was hard to avoid updates enforced on you - my quick review of the Windows 10 options on computer of my client has shown like 40 days delay before it is to happen anyway. While another notebook hung during that monolith update, with subsequent reversal of whole shebang. If you are engineer, you can start having good ideas of what awaits ahead with Windows 10 style of arrangement. Effectively, you are not even in control of the OS anymore - if this OS to be.

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  5. Microsoft-biased statistics? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Informative

    Of the 2.54 billion visits to U.S. Government websites over the past 90 days:
    - 20.9% came from Windows 10
    - 20.7% from Windows 7
    - 2.7% from Windows 8.1
    - 0.05% from Windows 8
    - 0.8% from other OS

    Either they can't count, or that 0.8% does not include OS X/macOS, iOS, Android, Linux, BSD, etc in which case that 0.8% is the total number of Windows XP, Windows NT, Windows 98 and Windows 95 users.

    When it comes to browser share:
    - 44.4% for Chrome
    - 27.6% for Safari
    - 12.3% for Internet Explorer
    - 5.9% for Firefox
    - 3.9% for Edge

    Safari is only available on OS X/macOS and iOS, so it's clear the percentages for the OS are only for Windows.

    Are they afraid to tell us the number of people who don't use Microsoft on their computers/tablets/phones?

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    1. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Informative

      "edit", sort of (another feature that Slashdot lacks)

      The numbers are all there on the website, it's just BeauHD writing trolling summaries once again.

      p.s.: my comment was written in accordance with the Slashdot tradition: post angry comment first, read article later.

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    2. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Since the OS numbers only total up to 45.15%, where did the other 54.85% come from?

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    3. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Safari is only available on OS X/macOS and iOS

      News to me, I have a VM that's been running Safari on Win 7 for browser testing a good 3-4 years now. Could you substantiate your assertion please?

    4. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Informative

      You must be running a relic of a version, Safari hasn't been available for Windows for over half a decade.

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    5. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      From the site, other is actually other versions of Windows. It says "other" not "other OS". The other operating systems are listed separately.

    6. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Since the OS numbers only total up to 45.15%, where did the other 54.85% come from?

      OS/2 Warp, most likely. I hear that the government still has tens of thousands of those. I'm sure you can get an NCSA Mosaic browser for them.

    7. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by suss · · Score: 2

      iOS 25%
      Android 18%
      MacIntosh 9%
      ChromeOS 1%
      Other 1%

      Source: the link in the story that goes to https://analytics.usa.gov/

    8. Re:Microsoft-biased statistics? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      OS/2 Warp, most likely. I hear that the government still has tens of thousands of those. I'm sure you can get an NCSA Mosaic browser for them.

      Most government sites don't work correctly without Javascript, let alone CSS, either because the sites are spying on you or because the government is shit at HTML, or both. I'm betting on both.

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  6. Re:Why aren't people using Edge? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    I only trust Opera, because I know China will never want to share my information with the USA.

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  7. Shocking news! by guacamole · · Score: 4, Informative

    After discontinuing sales of Windows 7 licenses, blocking Windows 7 (and 8 updates) on 7th generation Core CPUs, and forcing malicious upgrades from 7 to 10 without user's consent, Windows 10 is finally starting to surpass 7. I can't believe this was possible.

  8. Re:Apples and Oranges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'd rather have Windows 10 BLT, but not Windows 10 LGBT.

  9. Windows 10 / 2016 not trustworthy by Jimmyandben · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If it wasn't for all of the dirty tatics that Microsoft made happen, I might be more inclined to trust them. The forced Telemetry was the toughest fo swallow and can't justify it for our users or safe guarding our data. Windows 2016 seems to have forced telemetry built in as well which means we may have to choose another system such as BSD or Linux. These are real discussions happening at our company because of the distrust that Microsoft has enabled.

    1. Re:Windows 10 / 2016 not trustworthy by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      These are real discussions happening at our company because of the distrust that Microsoft has enabled.

      We had those as well. But then given that Windows 10 Enterprise versions don't have the telemetry enabled, and that Microsoft is already a trusted partner for cloud services for confidential and secret documents all that happened was that Windows 10 was rubbers stamped for trail roll-out.

      For all they've done in the consumer space and small business market, it is largely irrelevant in the enterprise where MS makes most of its money.

    2. Re:Windows 10 / 2016 not trustworthy by Horatio_Hellpop · · Score: 1

      And turning off the telemetry is trivial: https://www.oo-software.com/en...

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  10. So... let's look at this... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ... An operating system (Windows 10) that was given away as a free upgrade to older versions finally has more hits than those older versions. An operating system which had such a poor uptake when it was given away for free and subsequently Microsoft had to try to trick users into upgrading to it, finally has more hits than those older versions. Yeah, that is something that Microsoft should crow about on /. .

    .

    Geesh.

  11. Interesting amount of mobile users by jeepies · · Score: 1

    It's eye opening to see mobile (iOS and Android) makes up about 43% and desktops only (Windows and Mac) only about 55%. I'm assuming Linux is a lot of the "Other" at 0.7%.

  12. So that's what the Russians are using by sandbagger · · Score: 1

    So the FSB is up to date unlike the NT Servers they are targeting.

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  13. Re:Why aren't people using Edge? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    How is woosh any better? Explain.

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  14. Not much of an endorsement by nateman1352 · · Score: 1

    Considering that Win7 only has 2 more years of security patches, I suspect most people like myself are just migrating because it will be mandatory pretty soon and don't want to wait until the last minute.

    Combine that with a lot of new systems are incapable of booting Win 7 (Win 7 can't boot from NVMe SSDs, and even with UEFI boot Win 7 needs legacy BIOS/CSM because it uses INT10 VGA BIOS calls... a lot of new systems don't have this in firmware anymore.) And even if it would work MSFT won't allow Win7 to be used on any new systems and don't forget their dubious upgrade tactics.

  15. Missing Stats: iOS 25%, Android 18%, MacOS 9% by pkiff · · Score: 5, Informative

    Both the summary and the original article fail to explain that the "Other OS" with 0.8% actually means Other *Windows* OSes. They fail completely in providing useful context about how the percentages of Windows flavours compare to those of iOS, Android, and Mac. Here are the missing stats that come from the analytics.usa.gov site: iOS 25.2%, Android 18.2%, Macintosh 9%. This also explains how Safari is the 2nd most popular browser with 26%.

    1. Re:Missing Stats: iOS 25%, Android 18%, MacOS 9% by Horatio_Hellpop · · Score: 1

      I'll admit it is a tad confusing, but the headline was comparing Windows 10 to Windows 7 ... not to anything else.

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  16. 2.54 billion by pgn674 · · Score: 1

    So, 1 trillion in American imperial?

    1. Re: 2.54 billion by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      1 billion bytes in metric is 1.414213562373095 TebiHogsheads in Imperial.

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  17. Re:Why aren't people using Edge? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Troll

    I only trust Opera, because I know China will never want to share my information with the USA.

    China will do anything for money. Are you new?

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  18. Mod me down, fifty cent army by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I can make more modpoints. Of course, I realize that you can make more Chinese, but I can drain their modpoints as well.

    Anyone who believes that Chinese corporations won't turn around and sell your data to anyone who will buy it is a total fucking idiot who should not be permitted to post comments to Youtube, let alone Slashdot.

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    1. Re:Mod me down, fifty cent army by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Nice blanket statement, you racist asshole.

      You could say the same about Russian or American corporations, fifty-center.

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  19. Re:Apples and Oranges by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    Windows 10 LGBT is superficially very slick but it goes mental if you refuse to bake it a wedding cake. Also no arrangement of bathrooms is acceptable to it.

    And when you're trying to fill in your TPS reports it keeps bothering you with gross details of its sex life. And then complains to your boss that you're a bigot when you tell it to fuck off.

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  20. Re:Apples and Oranges by jawtheshark · · Score: 2

    More like Windows 10 BSDM

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  21. Business Use by leeosenton · · Score: 1

    Windows for business (Pro and Enterprise) is a piece of cr*p and is loaded with garbage. I'm at work and totally want to play Candy Crush. WTF is going through their heads? And they bend over backwards to collect user data. Particularly, they try to get users to create and use a Microsoft account on a new PC or instance of Windows. I have a MSDN subscription and can get/install any version of Windows or Windows Server that I want. I wiped and reloaded my workstation with Windows 10 Enterprise. If you haven't installed Windows 10 lately, you will be digging to find a way to avoid creating a Microsoft account. They act like an overly excited poodle wrapped around your ankle trying to gather as much data as possible including personal identifying data. They work hard to force or trick users into consenting to data collection. I'm sick and tired of fighting to maintain control of my work PC and dev system. I'm convinced they are still collecting data that I haven't knowingly given them permission to access, but I have work to do and I can't sit around devising ways to monitor what they collect. I shouldn't have to police a company that I have paid for a product. Windows 10 is tightly bound to paid MS services and data collection. I have over 30 MacBooks for iOS developers and we don't have this problem with them. They aren't preloaded with Xbox or Candy Crush and data gathering is simple to disable (answer no to a direct question 1 time). After a year with my company and living with a MacBook and 2 PCs on my desk, I bought my own MacBook. The PCs and Windows 10 are a constant pain in the a**. Yes, I'm aware of Linux but prefer MacOS for consistency with work and ability to run Visual Studio, Xcode, and Photoshop. Why is Windows 10 hitting government services more than Windows 7? Simple answer is time. People need and/or want new PCs and they all have Windows 10. It isn't possible for the average user to wipe 10 and load 7 on a new system and that may not even be possible at all on some systems. By the way, I'm on vacation this week and sending this rant from my MacBook using simple old Safari. Microsoft can piss off as far as I'm concerned.

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  23. Re:Why aren't people using Edge? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    We have been burned too much with IE.
    IE/Edge being integrated with the OS is a BAD IDEA. Because you are exposing your Operating System to the Internet, with a connection to a complex parsing engine and interpreted language. It wasn't about sites spying on you, but the fact using IE to browse the internet could lead to your computer being compromised.

    Chrome has its sandbox. Sure it may be sending data to google for adds, but at least I can go to a site and not worry about backdoor apps installed on my computer.

    Edge may have fixed this, but we have had such a bad experience with IE and IE 6 being around for much too long (Like Netscape 4) it has became a joke to use compared to Chrome which better supports HTML5 and has good security.

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  26. In Soviet America... by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    ...government website visits your Windows 10 computer.

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  27. Letting Google see everything you do by buchanmilne · · Score: 1

    So, their page says their software is open-source, including the "collector" ( https://github.com/18F/analyti... ). Unfortunately, all that seems to be is some JavaScript to fetch and process Google Analytics data.

    I thought the US government would be able to do an adequate job of collecting and processing "meta-data" without giving all of that information to Google ...

  28. Re:Why aren't people using Edge? by toddestan · · Score: 1

    Every time I try to use Edge, I find run into something that's broken after about 2 minutes. That might have something to do with it. Sad thing is whatever is broken usually works fine if I try it in IE. Microsoft would be better off if they just turned it into a wrapper around the IE engine. Or just throw in the towel entirely and use Blink like everyone else.