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Ask Slashdot: How Should I Replace My Netbook?

Long-time Slashdot reader Kevin108 needs to replace his netbook: I've used and loved my Eee 701 for many years. None of the diminutive ergonomics were ever an issue. But the low-res screen, 4 GB SSD, and 630 MHz Celeron are a useless combo for current web browsing and modern software. I'm now in the market for a new device in a similar form factor.

I need a Windows device for my preferred photo editor and some other software I use for maps. It will often be used offline for writing and watching MKVs in VLC. I'm okay with a notebook or tablet and keyboard combo, but I've not found anything in a similar size with my feature requirements.

Any suggestions? Leave your best thoughts and suggestions in the comments. What's the best way to replace a netbook?

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  1. Is this a test? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Informative

    How Should I Replace My Netbook? / What's the best way to replace a netbook?

    Buy something new, stop using the old system, start using the new one - duh.

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    1. Re:Is this a test? by Kevin108 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ah, the editors took some liberty with the original title. As submitted, it was, "What's the modern equivalent of the Eee netbook?"

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    2. Re:Is this a test? by Shikaku · · Score: 2

      GPD Win. It comes with Windows 10 but I installed Arch Linux on it and it works perfectly fine. There's no Windows tax because screens small enough make Windows 10 starter free. Comes with gaming controls which work pretty well as a mouse actually, but you can switch it to a normal dinput joystick and Xbox360 input controller on the fly with the little dial and a touchscreen. The sequel GPD Win 2 isn't out yet but has more RAM, 8GB versus 4GB.

      https://bit.ly/2klXZlu

      There's also the GPD Pocket which is similar but with a much bigger and nicer keyboard and no gaming controls, and a little nub for a mouse with touchscreen.

  2. Seriously? by Harold+Halloway · · Score: 5, Informative

    We poor Slashdotters are now being asked to advise someone who wants a small Windows laptop? Seriously? Go to PC World (or your local equivalent), look at the laptops and choose a small one. How hard can it be?

    1. Re:Seriously? by vux984 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well to be fair, it sounds like he's looking for something smaller than a 'small laptop', but the reality is you are correct. that market has pretty much died out.

      Last I checked there's still some hybrid-tablet stuff with detachable keyboards in the even smaller space, but they're finicky at best.

      His best bet is to get a ~13" laptop from dell or something and call it a day.

    2. Re:Seriously? by Zocalo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is pretty much the advice that was given while this was still in the submission queue; get a small laptop or a tablet and keyboard combo. Two comments and /thread. Why this made the front page - as a full story no-less - is beyond me, maybe they're fresh out of Trump and Bitcoin stories and were getting desparate to justify their salary or something...

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    3. Re:Seriously? by jawtheshark · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, that would work. They are kind of heavy though. I have a refurb X220 with me all time time. I got it for 159€, but I upgraded it to 16GB RAM and with a 120GB SSD (it runs Linux). So, add another 150€ for that.

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    4. Re:Seriously? by jawtheshark · · Score: 2
      Well, it highly depends on where you live, doesn't it? For example: there is probably no laptop you could use on a table in a bistrot in Paris. Allotted space is tiny: One barely has place to move between the tables. Fortunately, I don't live in Paris and most places I go give ample space.

      It just confirms that different people are in different situations and as such have different needs. My needs are covered in my situation with an X220. Yours are not. It just means you will have to make different trade-offs than me.

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    5. Re:Seriously? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some people bought Netbooks because they were dirt cheap. Mostly these people are now buying larger laptops because the screen costs have gone down so much that it's not worth trying to make everything smaller to save a few dollars, so the cheapest laptops are no longer the smallest.

      Some people bought Netbooks because they were small. Most of these people are now using tablets with attached keyboards. My father has a MS Surface that he's happy with: it runs Windows, Office, and all of the business software that he cares about, and is very small. He doesn't need anything particularly fast. That's probably a good upgrade path for anyone who was running Windows on a Netbook and for whom cost is not a primary motivation.

      Some people wanted both small and cheap. These people are probably best served with a cheap Android tablet and a folding Bluetooth keyboard. If you want Windows, that's a problem.

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    6. Re:Seriously? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm looking at the Chuwi Apollo Lake tablets built around the N3450.

      They dual boot Windows 10 / Android. People have gotten Ubuntu installed on them as well.

  3. An actual suggestion. by damnbunni · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dell Venue 8 Pro 5000 series 4 GB RAM version.

    Add in the matching Bluetooth keyboard and, for extra photo editing fun, the 2048-levels-of-pressure active stylus.

    The problem is that it's a 'corporate' device, so Dell doesn't make it easy to buy just one of them.

  4. Used corporate. by RyanFenton · · Score: 5, Informative

    The whole reason I went with a netbook years ago was the price. Now, though, when I need a cheapo laptop, I definitely go with used corporate - Dell frequently has quite nice extra-durable laptops that are basically leased en mass to companies that make them dirt cheap, and VERY easy to provide service to if you're giving them to relatives.

    The designs are inherently rugged, can be thrown into a backpack no problem, accessories and batteries are commodity priced, and the appearance won't cause anyone to blink. I understand the appeal of light-as-possible, but there's just too many advantages to rugged cheapo-bulk laptops. And if you REALLY want mega-light, there's some models that do that too, I'm sure.

    Ryan Fenton

  5. GPD Pocket by ElectraFlarefire · · Score: 3

    If you can type well on the 701, then you'ld like the keyboard on the GPD Pocket.
    High res screen, 8Gb ram, 128Gb SSD, selection of other standard stuff.
    Comes in windows and linux versions.
    And something around the $500 price.

  6. Re:GPD win or whatever. by hawkinspeter · · Score: 4, Informative

    Even better, the GPD Pocket! 1920x1080 in a 7 inch screen! 8GB RAM. What more could you want? https://www.geekbuying.com/ite...

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  7. Re:901 by The123king · · Score: 2

    An 11 inch Macbook air also has the same sort of form factor with a bit more grunt

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  8. Used ThinkPad X series by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 2

    Last year, I got myself a used ThinkPad X230 (720p 12.5in screen) with Ivybridge i5 CPU, add a 250GB SSD, additional RAM stick, additional 9 cell battery and it ended up costing me around USD400. Sure it's not smallest thing you can carry around, but it's more powerful than anything I can get new for the price. USB 3.0, proper gigabit ethernet and VGA ports.

    The great thing about the X230 is that you can get almost any part of its' exterior replaced. IPS screen, fingeprint sensor, WWAN connection, backlit keyboard.

    On the other hand, the X230 is stuck with wireless N adapter and 720p screen. But if you're resourceful, there's guide to reflash the bios to eliminate wireless adapter whitelist, and even an upgrade kit for FHD screen

  9. Re:Seriously? I'm out by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 2

    (when it's clearly fucking interesting new tech being used in interesting new ways)

    The tech is interesting. The implementation is not.

    Having to send all my questions, voiceprint included, to an advertising company that can then trace me everywhere I go and serve me ads according to the type of questions I ask and what places I go, is not something I find so "fucking interesting". Privacy anyone?

    When someone creates a device that, with its own processing power, can interpret my questions into something useful, like "Hey Talky, how is the traffic to work this morning?", and get strictly what is needed from Google Maps or any other maps / traffic service, without sending the audio or text to an advertising company that would then serve me ads about businesses along the route, then I may see this as "fucking interesting"

    For now, I am not "fucking interested" with this advertising device.

  10. Modern Netbook - Lenovo ThinkPad 11e (4th Gen) by lionchild · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lenovo actually keeps an 11-inch sized netbook around in it's line up in a couple of flavors, but the full PC version is the ThinkPad 11e. It can ben outfitted with 8GB of RAM, 256GB SSD, and Core i3 Processor if you like.

    Info here: https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/...

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  11. Re:Barely exists anymore by Curupira · · Score: 2

    The closes in terms of what they set out to do are either Chromebooks or Windows tablets.

    Lenovo also makes "Winbooks", i.e., Windows versions of their most popular Chromebooks models. I've bought a 11.6-inch "Lenovo N22 Winbook" that has pretty much the same hardware as the "Chromebook N22": a modern Celeron that can run 1080p/h264 videos, 32GB SSD (replaceable), 2GB RAM.

    It is not a perfect device, but was a good replacement for my old Atom netbook for classroom purpose.

  12. Then which x86-64 GNU/Linux tablet? by tepples · · Score: 2

    Sounds like he could get a modern tablet and be happy with that as a replacement for the netbook.

    I own a Dell Inspiron mini 1012, on which I ran FamiTracker, FCEUX debugger, Python with Pillow, and ca65 (a 6502 assembler) inside Xubuntu. I used it when working as lead programmer on the video games Haunted: Halloween '85 (2015) and The Curse of Possum Hollow (2016) published by Retrotainment Games. Because the laptop is so small, I could whip it out and get work done while riding the bus to and from my other job. I stopped using it when its third lithium ion battery could no longer hold a charge; unfortunately, its replacement is much bigger and thus not nearly as portable.

    I need it to be x86-64, not ARM, because FamiTracker and FCEUX debugger are Windows applications that run usably in Wine, and Wine needs x86. (FCEUX works on other-than-x86, but without the debugger.) So what x86-64 tablet with keyboard do you recommend for running GNU/Linux? Or would an x86-64 tablet with keyboard running Windows 10, such as the ASUS Transformer Book, be better for work loads like this?

  13. Bloated sites by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    If the browser can be configured to trick sites into thinking it's a phone, then maybe one can browse without getting the JavaScript-happy eye-candy version of the site that slows the browser down.

  14. Re:GPD win or whatever. by tw2k · · Score: 2
    I've had one since launch, it's a nice machine, performance is pretty good. Screen is nice. Issues on it really are odd keyboard placement. I commonly hit Q instead of Tab or Delete instead of Backspace (or vice versa).

    They cheaped out on the power management too so it is almost always running on battery power. That means that when plugged in and fully charged it will switch between Battery & Mains power profiles in the OS which is annoying as I tend to have no power management when on mains and very aggressive power mgmt when on battery. I'm not really sure what this is doing the battery either, battery life is still fine but the cycle count is showing well into the hundreds just from leaving it plugged in and asleep. I think the way it manages charging has a negative impact on the life but I can't see it being as bad as the cycle count reports. If you want to use USB C to a video out then you need to change a BIOS setting which has some side effect (essentially increases power consumption during sleep).

    The GPD Win had the same charging issues, the GPD Win 2 has been announced with this being one of the fixed issues so one would hope that any GPD Pocket 2 will have the same fix. Don't get me wrong, it's a lovely looking machine and aside from the above, it works beautifully in Linux (Mint) and Win 10, performance is incredible for something you can stick in your pocket. If your use case is that you will generally be on battery power anyway then most of this shouldn't be a problem for you!

  15. Re:Tablet by Paul+Carver · · Score: 2

    Congratulations, you got it on the first try.