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Will Facial Recognition in China Lead To Total Surveillance? (washingtonpost.com)
schwit1 shares a new Washington Post article about China's police and security state -- including the facial recognition cameras allow access to apartment buildings. "If I am carrying shopping bags in both hands, I just have to look ahead and the door swings open," one 40-year-old woman tells the Post. "And my 5-year-old daughter can just look up at the camera and get in. It's good for kids because they often lose their keys."
But for the police, the cameras that replaced the residents' old entry cards serve quite a different purpose. Now they can see who's coming and going, and by combining artificial intelligence with a huge national bank of photos, the system in this pilot project should enable police to identify what one police report, shared with The Washington Post, called the "bad guys" who once might have slipped by... Banks, airports, hotels and even public toilets are all trying to verify people's identities by analyzing their faces. But the police and security state have been the most enthusiastic about embracing this new technology.
The pilot in Chongqing forms one tiny part of an ambitious plan, known as "Xue Liang," which can be translated as "Sharp Eyes." The intent is to connect the security cameras that already scan roads, shopping malls and transport hubs with private cameras on compounds and buildings, and integrate them into one nationwide surveillance and data-sharing platform... At the back end, these efforts merge with a vast database of information on every citizen, a "Police Cloud" that aims to scoop up such data as criminal and medical records, travel bookings, online purchase and even social media comments -- and link it to everyone's identity card and face.
The pilot in Chongqing forms one tiny part of an ambitious plan, known as "Xue Liang," which can be translated as "Sharp Eyes." The intent is to connect the security cameras that already scan roads, shopping malls and transport hubs with private cameras on compounds and buildings, and integrate them into one nationwide surveillance and data-sharing platform... At the back end, these efforts merge with a vast database of information on every citizen, a "Police Cloud" that aims to scoop up such data as criminal and medical records, travel bookings, online purchase and even social media comments -- and link it to everyone's identity card and face.
You people apparently have not been paying any attention to what China has been doing for decades now. Automated facial scanning is but one tiny piece in a massive machine that has existed for quite a long time now.
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Once all automobiles are mandated to be robot-driven, so we can restrict your travel entirely to where you can walk, the imprisonment will be complete.
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This is not just China. I know the feds in DC have gotten many local businesses and the like to tie their cameras into the government systems. I would not be surprised if they are working on similar projected in other major cities. In fact, I would expect that they are.
Lol. Can't stop laughing.
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yea that covers all of them so i dont see how an algo is gonna tell the difference
They already restricted freedoms for everybody living legally in the country. This is just a reminder to those of us in currently freer countries that you need to GTFO now, because while there may be cracks you can slip through now, the next generation of cracks you might not be smart enough to find and scurry through.
The UK, then US and then EU will be next in following these Ambitious plans. I am sure Russia would love to as well, but I just don't seen them having/putting the finances necessary in place to actually reach the total surveillance state that China is capable of, thanks to its large influx of first world money. But given how many companies China now owns/is a majority investor in other countries, people elsewhere should be concerned as well. The Manchurian Candidate is about to win all.
but they can never surveill my hearts.
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Maybe the Islamic Women who wear Burkas ( full face covering ) are actually ahead of the times. Maybe we'll all be wearing them in the future to preserve our privacy.
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In all that time, how many revolutions have there been in China? Not much of a student of history but I know it's happened more than once.
What I'm wondering is this: When you have over a billion people in your country, and you treat them the way that the Communist Chinise government treats them, how much more of this bullshit will they stand for before there's another revolution? Or, at least, before the Communist government sees that the only way for them to stay in power and prevent a long, drawn-out, bloody revolution, is to change their ways, respect their citizens more?
"How can we adapt it too?"
Facial recognition in China means total surveillance in China because they all look alike. I mean, Wang looks like Wong who looks like Fong.....
Of course!
Last year's news was iris recognition had advanced enough that a poor web cam gave enough picture quality to ascertain identity @ 20'. So facial recognition is not needed, facial surgery & face paints will not preserve anonmity. Maybe face paint plus dark reflective sun glasses are enough?
Do US auto teller machines already refuse transactions if face or camera is covered?
Chinese faces are almost copy of each other.
So they collect all this info, now what?
They have to process it, sort it, manage it, and search it.
The real problem is getting useful information from all the data. They will waste more resources trying to do that than collecting it.
prediction:
China will be a major sink for data sciencetists in the future. They will have to send their people to US to be trainned on how to deal with all the information they are collecting on people.
gets tired of the BS China changes.
Many total surveillance schemes have failed because even a low false positive rate can overwhelm the system. How will this program handle false positives?
I'm not convinced this is the case. Xue != Sharp and Liang != Eye.
It's more likely it's this XueLiang meaning 'bright as snow'
https://translate.google.com/?...
Then again that can mean 'sharp (of eye)' or discerning.
https://www.linguee.com/chines...
Interestingly the associations with snow and discerning sight in Mandarin are the opposite to the way they are in English.
Compare for example 'Snowblind' by Black Sabbath (or the System of a Down cover).
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Seriously, it's being rolled out all over the USA and idiots are cheering, because terrorists!
I can't count the number of times I've seen articles about airports with facial recognition (usually with an accuracy rate that means the likelihood of a terrorist slipping through or grandma being harassed and arrested are shockingly high), or crime cameras being abused by police (to track an ex-girlfriend or other stalker-type behavior), linking stop-light cameras with the FBI databases, etc.
FYI: 1984 seems to be the only book people bring up with stuff like this... you need to read Fahrenheit 451 too, it's just as relevant and we're closer to completion of that storyline (wall sized TVs, cameras all over your house, TV shows about cops chasing criminals where the citizens are reporting on their neighbors (Cops, America's Most Wanted, etc.), etc. Read them, don't just talk about the wikipedia summaries.
In America you only get in trouble if surveillance catches you PRAISING the great leader. Then you are literally a white supremacist and need to be black listed.
Considering FaceBook's facial recognition, geotag determinations, friends association and sharing everything with US Government entities - anyone who thinks the US is not already a surveillance state
I'm not sure I'd disagree with calling the U.S. a surveillance state...
However a lot of what you just listed is optional. People don't have to share anything on Facebook. People do not have to take photos with geotagging enabled - they just do. And the U.S. along with various companies happily ingest that freely given information.
But China takes things to a whole different level. Imagine mandatory geotagging of photos taken. Imagine microphones and cameras in every hotel room, and not just the ones installed by pervs. Imagine a HUGE number of people out and about on the streets and in buildings that are there to monitor people. And on top of that cameras everywhere, all controlled and state accessible, unlike the mishj-mash of private cameras the U.S. has sporadically placed through cities.
So it's fine to call the U.S. a "surveillance state" but only if you have some qualifier or separate term to indicate the large difference that exists between western states collecting intelligence, and China... I think I would term what the U.S. and U.K. do as "passive" and the Chinese state as "active" as they are way more likely to take action based on what is being surveilled (in terms of adding additional monitoring or arrests).
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I wonder if the facial recognition systems will error out stating, "They all look the same to me."
So make a mask and look like somebody else when you do something you would rather not be seen doing?
In 1/10thof a generation, no one will feel safe where this is not en force. Who knows what kind of evil rapist could be standing next to you in an elevator? And we already have bred the safety generation to accept^h^h^h^h^h^h want it.
What's going to happen when someone is denied access to the facilities? Public toilets are very common in China (mostly because they're pay-to-use) but some cities still have a problem with people shitting in the street.
It's not about preventing crime, it's about turning persons who disagree and disobey into "un-persons".who can't even buy toilet access.
...because "all Chinese look the same"
I'm impressed Philip K Dick knew the question then.
Banks, airports, hotels and even public toilets are all trying to verify people's identities by analyzing their faces.
For a second there I thought it said feces (faeces).
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Like I wrote.
1) all look same
2) camera, software, computers: made in China
How can facial recognition work when they all look the same?