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No More Pancake Syrup? Climate Change Could Bring an End To Sugar Maples (sciencemag.org)

An anonymous reader shares a research report: Savor that sticky, slightly nutty sweetness drenching your Sunday morning pancakes now. The trees that make maple syrup will struggle to survive climate change, a new study reveals. Researchers had thought that pollution from cars, factories, and agriculture might buffer sugar maples against an increasingly warm and dry climate by supplying soils with fertilizing nitrogen. But the new analysis, which examined 20 years of tree and soil data in four Michigan locations, finds that extra boost of nitrogen won't be enough. Instead, the researchers report today in Ecology, a lack of water will stunt the trees' growth.

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  1. Ok, this climate change thing just got real by disgruntledlurker · · Score: 4, Funny

    For the love of God, won't somebody please think of the pancakes?!?

    1. Re:Ok, this climate change thing just got real by Flea+of+Pain · · Score: 2

      For the love of God, won't somebody please think of the CANADIANS?!?

      Fixed that for you.

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    2. Re:Ok, this climate change thing just got real by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      For the love of God, won't somebody please think of the CANADIANS?!?

      Fixed that for you.

      I understand Canadians now that I know they are pancakes.

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    3. Re:Ok, this climate change thing just got real by corychristison · · Score: 2

      For the love of God, won't somebody please think of the CANADIANS?!?

      Fixed that for you.

      No doubt. Canadian here.

      Canada supplies around 71% of the worlds maple syrup. Which contributes around $381,000,000 CAD to our economy just in exports.

      Source: http://www.agr.gc.ca/eng/industry-markets-and-trade/market-information-by-sector/horticulture/horticulture-sector-reports/statistical-overview-of-the-canadian-maple-industry-2016/?id=1509039990148

  2. Tea, Earl Grey, hot by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    Don't worry, we will soon invent the replicator and you can make all you want. Of course, it will be powered by a coal fired electrical plant.

  3. Trees die if you don't water them? by erapert · · Score: 2

    Well no shit, Sherlock.

  4. Re: Only for elites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sadly, Cracker Barrel uses a 50/50 blend now.

  5. Re:I use preserves by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2

    A lot less calories and I like the taste better. It's a pain to find the ones that are more fruit than cane sugar though.

    To each their own, but there's nothing quite like fresh maple syrup. My dad has several trees up on the farm that he taps to make his own. If you have time & patience, it's free, and you know there's no cane sugar in it. ;-)

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  6. Corn Syrup and High Fructose Corn Syrup by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most consumers will never notice, most of the pancake syrups in the supermarket are just manufactured sugar with some coloring.

    And well, another corporate cartel with price fixing experiences bad karma, let me shed a tear for you. As for the trees, I do feel bad for them.

    1. Re:Corn Syrup and High Fructose Corn Syrup by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's why I use High Fructose Bee Vomit.

    2. Re:Corn Syrup and High Fructose Corn Syrup by Eloking · · Score: 2

      Most consumers will never notice, most of the pancake syrups in the supermarket are just manufactured sugar with some coloring.

      And well, another corporate cartel with price fixing experiences bad karma, let me shed a tear for you. As for the trees, I do feel bad for them.

      As a representant of the nicest country in the world, I call that this is utter nonsense! (Sorry about that)

      Talking about the trees... If the climate get hotter, couldn't we simply move the production more to the north? After all, It's not like we don't have space avalaible : http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/cen...

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    3. Re:Corn Syrup and High Fructose Corn Syrup by penandpaper · · Score: 4, Funny

      I do like chemicals. All kinds of chemicals. I ingest them all the time. What do you have against chemicals?

      Pro-tip, stay away from dihydrogen monoxide. It's a real killer! Nasty stuff.

    4. Re:Corn Syrup and High Fructose Corn Syrup by Freischutz · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's why I use High Fructose Bee Vomit.

      Same problem, manufactured sugar with some coloring.

    5. Re:Corn Syrup and High Fructose Corn Syrup by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

      Of all the comments so far, this one is at least addressing TFS, so thank you.

      If the climate get hotter, couldn't we simply move the production more to the north? After all, It's not like we don't have space available.

      Migrating trees can be done, but the questions is: can we also migrate the ecosystem that the trees upon which the trees depend?

      They have pretty strict requirements regarding sunlight, growing periods, seasonal air temperatures, and the soil must contain certain recipes of nutrients, temperatures, moisture, pH, and microbial activity.

      Humans can migrate and adjust to changes and adapt to life, perhaps, without maple syrup.

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    6. Re:Corn Syrup and High Fructose Corn Syrup by Flea+of+Pain · · Score: 4, Funny

      A whole YEAR??!!?!?! You clearly aren't Canadian. That's aboot a weeks worth in my house.

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    7. Re:Corn Syrup and High Fructose Corn Syrup by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      Really nasty stuff.
      http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

      Some choice dangers of the stuff.

        Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
      Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
      Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
      DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
      Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
      Contributes to soil erosion.
      Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
      Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.

      Beware! We should act now to ban the stuff.

    8. Re:Corn Syrup and High Fructose Corn Syrup by Freischutz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most consumers will never notice, most of the pancake syrups in the supermarket are just manufactured sugar with some coloring.

      That's why I use High Fructose Bee Vomit.

      Same problem, manufactured sugar with some coloring.

      I've not seen honey for sale, labeled as such, that wasn't honey when you look at the ingredient list. Are they lying/being fooled by suppliers?

      Somebody finds my comment funny, but it wasn't meant to be. Counterfeit honey is a real problem and detecting it using sophisticated scientific methods is a growing business since the counterfeiters are getting extremely sophisticated at beating the quality assurance tests. A lot of cheap counterfeit honey comes from China and it is bankrupting natural honey producers around the globe in large numbers. There is a new documentary series on Netflix Called 'Rotten' that contains an excellent episode on the honey industry and the problem with fake honey.

  7. Realistic Climate Change by foxalopex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I believe that human caused climate change is occurring considering everything else we've changed on earth (we literally move mountains now) but I don't think it means the end of the world. Folks who are predicting the end of the world are likely being overly alarmist but that's not to say we should sit back and do nothing. I've seen increasingly worse local flooding in recent years and weather's becoming more unstable. The worry isn't so much that the world will end but that it is going to be more difficult to make a living as the things we've been use to (relatively stable climate and weather for close to a millennium) might be going away. Change is expensive.

    I live in Canada, I like maple syrup and it makes sense that if it warms on average that trees might not do so well. Trees are rooted and take decades to mature so I imagine to compensate it's going to take a few decades to move them north to more appropriate climates. So saying there's no more maple syrup seems silly, saying that there might be shortage and it'll get more expensive makes more sense.

    1. Re:Realistic Climate Change by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Stop being reasonable. You're completely missing the point of the click-bait headlines.

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    2. Re:Realistic Climate Change by dbialac · · Score: 2

      Keep in mind, too, that a stable climate is incredibly unusual on earth. The climate usually is unstable. As for warming, when I was growing up, we were warned that the earth was due for an ice age. All that CO2 we released may have just staved off that experience and prevented Paris from becoming a glacier.

  8. No maple in "pancake syrup" by Aaden42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Let's be clear on terminology. "Pancake syrup" contains little or no maple. Maybe distilled smoke extract from a tiny amount of maple wood, but probably not even that. It's high fructose corn syrup & caramel color.

    Only 100% pure maple syrup is made from actual tree sap. As a New Yorker living on the Vermont border, I can assure you there's a difference between the good stuff and that crap they put in the clear plastic bottles.

  9. No, I counter--predict... by stilrz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I make maple syrup on a *very* small scale in a major city. This "scientific" article is all bunk. 1) First, large scale maple producers already know that watering the trees while tapping helps production. If global warming from politicians hot air continues towards long term winter droughts,, Maple bushes can be irrigated. 2) There are over 3000 variety of maples right now and the sugar industry is growing out hybrids that can produce close to a 10% sugar content sap ( normal is 2%) Nature will provide drought tolerant if needed. 3) no-one uses pails. Maple syrup production is hi-tech: reverse osmosis is amazing 4) North America has an over-abundance of maple trees and syrup production 5) What is not mentioned that is serious potential for maple blight like oak wilt to destroy a lot trees 6) Canada 's political socialized maple syrup production does more harm to producers that climate change ever will Sure I only make about 7 gallons a year but I know more than these blowhards

    1. Re:No, I counter--predict... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a Canadian, I completely agree with all of the sentiments you've expressed here. Every year the local farmers bring hundreds of gallons of freshly made pure maple syrup to the local markets, and trust me, if there's a production problem, they'll figure out how to fix it right quick.

      Even the local Mennonites who bring the syrup in horse-drawn buggies don't use pails anymore. You only see them in use at the "historical park" sites that school trips visit, on three or four of the trees, to show the kids "how it used to be done" - and then they point at the hoses and rigging on the other trees and tell them about modern collection methods.

      Also, the Canadian government's Strategic Maple Syrup Reserve(tm) (it's a real thing!) is intended to cover for exactly the type of (very temporary) shortage this would involve.

    2. Re:No, I counter--predict... by Strider- · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, the Canadian government's Strategic Maple Syrup Reserve(tm) (it's a real thing!) is intended to cover for exactly the type of (very temporary) shortage this would involve.

      I hate to break it to you, but while the maple reserve does exist, it's not associated with the Canadian federal government, nor even the Quebec government. Instead, It's maintained by a federation of Quebec producers, and basically allows them to act as a Cartel when it comes to Maple Syrup.

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    3. Re:No, I counter--predict... by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      Strategic Maple Syrup Reserve(tm) (it's a real thing!)

      It even made the rounds on /. some time back!

      Someone tried to steal it!

      Don't worry. It was found.

  10. Um by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The excerpt is somewhat less than explanatory.

    Michigan is literally surrounded by fresh water and that doesn't seem to be changing. If " that extra boost of nitrogen won't be enough" because water, then why do you think the trees won't have enough water?

    Maybe there's a reason, but the excerpt provided does not give it or even hint at it. (And I won't break tradition by actually reading TFA.)

  11. 'could' by bonedonut · · Score: 2

    or, it 'could' cause them to proliferate to the point where there are way too many, and maple syrup becomes our main energy source.

  12. BS by holophrastic · · Score: 2

    First off, Michigan? Really?! It's a maple tree. It declares its nationality with thousands and thousands of national flags on each and every tree. Maple trees were always just-visiting Michigan. If you want maple, know that they'll always be alive and well in their home country.

    Second, maple was always arbitrary. Personally, I enjoy the less-sweet, sharper taste of birch syrup even more. You'll find them combined quite often -- that's a good stepping-stone if you need such a device.

    Pfffff. Michigan maples. I mean, really. What are you thinking? What's next? British wine? Australian tea? I know: Texas tofu.

  13. Re:Only for elites by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    Maybe that's a USA thing. Real maple syrup is actually quite common in restaurants in Québec.

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  14. As if by jabberw0k · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because the climate has been utterly static and changeless for millions of years until the evil oil companies snapped their fingers. Or maybe everything changes over time, and species adapt? It's almost as if the global warming climate alarmists disbelieve in natural selection, isn't it?

  15. No danger to maple syrup by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If this article is anything to go by it got a lot less real. What all these sorts of articles (there was one about coffee being wiped out a year or so ago) completely fail to take account of is that if one area is becoming less hospitable to a particular plant another area is almost certainly becoming more hospitable. The regions where certain crops will grow changes over time even without human-made climate change: the Romans used to have vineyards in the UK, something which is only recently again becoming feasible with rising temperatures.

    Having to move to another region will be disruptive but that is nowhere near the same as claiming that maple production will be wiped out. It will just move further north to colder, wetter climes. Human-induced climate change is a serious problem and we have to act to curb it but I do wish we could "keep it real" when discussing the problems it will cause: these are bad enough without stupid articles like this gratuitously inflating them and making it easier for the deniers to ignore all warnings because some are so ridiculously wrong.

    1. Re:No danger to maple syrup by dryeo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How long does it take for a Maple to mature enough to produce syrup? Do Maples require other pioneer species to create fertile soil for them? Are other trees better for adapting to the more northern areas? Lots of variables involved in eco-systems moving.

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  16. Freeze thaw cycles by sjbe · · Score: 3, Informative

    Maybe there's a reason, but the excerpt provided does not give it or even hint at it.

    Well there is the fact that to make maple sap move in quantity you need freeze thaw cycles. If temperatures warm sufficiently such that the temperature doesn't dip below freezing then you cannot make maple syrup in meaningful quantities.

  17. Re:Well, no more Maple Syrup by dryeo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And how long will it take for those Maples to grow in Northern Ontario? Is the soil suitable? Here, maples prefer rich bottom land soil. Are there other tree species that can move north faster and/or adapt faster? Here, Alders are the primary pioneer species, not surprisingly as they can fix their own nitrogen.
    There's also the question of whether warming will cause more or less rainfall. The Maples around here love rain.

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  18. Re:I'm not opposed to cane sugar by penandpaper · · Score: 4, Funny

    Reminds me of the Himalayan pink rock salt labeled as 'non-gmo'. It was even the 'verified non-gmo project' label too!

    Truly, informative labels for the informed consumer.

  19. Re:Pancake syrup is a false economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Then you have no taste. Pancake syrup (artificially colored sugary sludge) doesn't even remotely resemble real maple syrup in flavor.

    It's for the kids. At 1, 3, and 5, they can't tell the difference. Most of it ends up on the table or in their hair anyways.

  20. Re:Are you serious... by kenh · · Score: 2

    Or Brawndo - it's got electrolytes!

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  21. Re: Well, no more Maple Syrup by c6gunner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    wtf?

    Ontario and Quebec are literally covered in maple trees. Maple syrup productions is practically a cultural tradition in Quebec. The whole Canada/Maple Syrup thing is one of the stereotypes which is actually true.

    How are you seriously wondering if CANADA, the country with a maple leaf on it's flag, will be able to grow maple trees??

  22. Other Sources by f3ign · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am no scientist, but I am a hobby maple syrup producer. We make maple syrup from a variety of trees that are available locally to us Red, Silver, Norway and Sugar. The difference is Red and Silver have lower sugar content and subsequently take more energy to convert to syrup. According to the abstract, this study focused on Acer saccharum (Sugar maple). I wonder for the short-term (20-50 years) the other species might out last sugar and what you see is a spike in real maple syrup sales. Just my thoughts.

  23. Re:Well, no more Maple Syrup by dryeo · · Score: 2

    Ontario is huge. When talking about northern Ontario, are we talking about around Lake Superior or around James Bay?

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  24. I worked on a Maple Farm by Tighe_L · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is crap. The sugar maples are doing just fine, and every year the yield is different based on the spring melt.

  25. Re: Well, no more Maple Syrup by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    The main problem with syrup in Canada is surpluses. . They have production quotas to prevent overproduction and support higher wholesale prices.

    The world is not going to run out of pancake syrup, and stupid alarmist articles like this are counter-productive at getting people to take climate change seriously.

  26. Re: Well, no more Maple Syrup by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fair enough, and I wouldn't have been surprised by your comment if someone had suggested that Canada could pick up the slack on Banana production, but come on ... Maple Syrup? If there's one thing I expect people to know about us it's that we're all a bunch of maple syrup swilling lumberjacks.

  27. Re: Well, no more Maple Syrup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well you missed the whole point...

    The real problem, is that, ideally, you need temperature deltas around the freezing point to get the sugar out in the water that you collect through the taps. Ideally something like -6deg.C to +6deg.C everyday. Flowing days if you will... Not too much wind either.

    The weather is all crazy and stuff nowadays. So you can get a terrible season with only a few good flowing days. That is the problem.

    Add to that that:
    1- sugar and water won't flow at all if it is too cold (duh!!!!)
    2- the taps you drilled in the tree will start plugging-up after a while (normal response to the "agression" that the drilling is), like in about 30 days
    3- sap will start to flow and ruin the taste if spring comes in early (contrary to popular belief, what is boiled into syrup is not regular sap, as it is otherwise unpalatable when the burgeoning process kicks-in too early, we call it "eau de bourgeon", literally burgeoning water)

    So you are bound to only hope for a few pumping days in the season. Anything between mid-January to mid-April can now be considered "fair game"... Sugar producing is not for the faint of heart...

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  28. Trash Article - Never Fear, Maple Syrup is Here! by pubwvj · · Score: 2

    This article shows a fundamental lack of understanding about maple sugaring. The reality is that maple sugar is produced over a broad season across a broad range of geographic areas and even with large variations on altitude and what side of the mountain your sugar bush is located on. On top of that, for millions of years the winters and springs have varied year to year and sugar maples still survive. This article is just scary fake news, FUD.

    If these people writing the scary FUD news would actually do the real work of maple sugaring they would understand this.

    Unfortunately fake news like this will get picked up in the press and spread around while the truth gets ignored.

    Fortunately, those of us who really do maple sugaring know better than to listen to idiots like this.

  29. Re:I'm not opposed to cane sugar by burtosis · · Score: 2

    I myself got some gluten free whole chickens. I was like "damn send this crap back. I want chickens that are genetically modified to produce wheat gluten directly thus giving the skin a nice flaky crisp texture."

  30. Re: Well, no more Maple Syrup by c6gunner · · Score: 2

    Getting people to think about how something will affect their lives is great. But when they find out that you lied to them, they tend to get a bit mad.

    Tyrants always pull the "we have to shape the truth for the public good" thing, but it's never convincing. It's an especially stupid thing to do when you're dealing with an undeniably true problem like climate change. Why piss people off with stupid lies when the truth is enough of a problem on it's own? Even if you're the kind of immoral shitbag who doesn't mind knowlngly lying to millions of people you should at least stop and consider that, tactically speaking, it's a shit approach.