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2017 Among Warmest Years On Record (npr.org)
2017 was among the warmest years on record, according to new data released by NASA and the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration. From a report: The planet's global surface temperature last year was second warmest since 1880, NASA says. NOAA calls it the third warmest year on record, due to slight variation in the ways that they analyze temperatures. Both put 2017 behind 2016's record temperatures. And "both analyses show that the five warmest years on record have all taken place since 2010," NASA said in a press release. The trend is seen most dramatically in the Arctic, NASA says, as sea ice continues to melt.
This is #fakenews. Everybody is saying that my first year as president is the warmest on record, and next year will be even warmer! The failing NASA and NOAA are way down in the ratings!
You are welcome on my lawn.
I hope this is a tongue in cheek troll. But sadly....I cant be sure............so to say the obvious 18 days into the year it would be ill advised to bet on the next 347 maintaining that trend.
I see some contradiction in this article.
If it keeps this up, it will take a lot of hot weather to make up for this...geez its cold in the south!!!!
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
...belief is opinion without evidence.
Huh? I believe all kinds of stuff, almost exclusively based on evidence. Maybe you're thinking of faith?
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
Here's how the Washington Post is reporting this: The planet just had its hottest 4 years in recorded history. Trump is dismantling efforts to fight climate change.
"We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
Climate change is real and nuclear power is the only option we have to mitigate it. There is no viable path forward that does not include the expansion of new nuclear reactors. So stop opposing the development of 4th generation reactors you fossil fuel lackeys.
If it keeps this up, it will take a lot of hot weather to make up for this...geez its cold in the south!!!!
You're forgetting the fundamental definition in the AGC community -- if the temperatures in an area are warmer than average, it's climate change. If the temperatures in an area are lower than average, it's just weather. And NOAA will ensure, through it's ongoing and declared practice of "adjusting" improperly-recorded historical temperature data, that the temperature record shows an ongoing rise in temperature 'proving' AGC.
No data, not statistics, nothing. A simple claim with a single measurement (2.36 deg F). What is the tolerance of that measurement? Is it accurate within 0.01 deg F? There's nothing at the source link to give any data - or even a link to data. This is just a PR release. I guess that passes for "science" these days...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
President Trump will make sure that we have the hottest years on record during his presidency. ("We'll have the hottest weather; the best weather.") Imagine, every US citizen will be able to enjoy Mar-a-Lago-like weather. Let's democratize Floridian sunshine for all!
Also, it's dark where I am. Therefore, it's dark everywhere.
Santa Ana Winds: Like the Dustbowl, but with awards shows.
Meanwhile, The Guardian is reporting a Nature study that states that the most dire predictions of global warming are unlikely.
Being, the prediction that the Earth will warm 4-5 degrees C by 2100 is not credible.
So what you are saying is that you would prefer another ice age to a few C of warming. Maybe you should stop and think about the consequences of that REALLY HARD.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Spoken to an Australian recently? I think they'd argue about 2018 being one of the coldest on record. I assume you meant to include "so far" and "here".
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/10/...
"It's a tarp!" -- Dyslexic Admiral Ackbar
Do you LIVE in the South? If so, you should know that the summer is easily capable of making up for a few cold days here and there.
Global warming results in a higher AVERAGE temperature over the entire planet. It also adds energy to our weather systems that sometimes results in extremes of weather including cold snaps.
The planet's global surface temperature last year was second warmest since 1880, NASA says. NOAA calls it the third warmest year on record, due to slight variation in the ways that they analyze temperatures.
They don't say that 1880 was one of the warmest years. It just since 1880.
"It's a tarp!" -- Dyslexic Admiral Ackbar
Uh, did you miss the story on Slashdot a week or two ago where some shitlord (in TFA) literally declared that "scientists" are now allowed to blame individual incidencts such as a hurricane, a hot day, etc. on climate change?
Global warming nutjobs like yourself constantly commit the flagrant foul of declaring any and all data points in your favor.
Hot day? GLOBAL WARMING!
Normal day? Weather is not climate!! GET EDUCATED!!!
Cold day? SEE! Global warming makes things more extreme!
No major hurricanes since Katrina? Weather is not climate!!`1!
Finally, a hurricane? OMG! This hurricane hit New York City, our sacred fucking cow!! But it wasn't a hurricane when it did, so let's have the media trump it up as SUPERSTORM SANDY!!
Finally, a normal hurricane season? OMG! GLOBAL WARMING IS MAKING MORE HURRICANES AND MAKING THEM MORE EXTREME! SEE?!?! This weather IS climate!!!
Data doesn't match the narrative? Adjust it! Correct it! Assault anyone who questions our methods or exposes our bullshit! THEY'RE ALL RACIST SEXIST REDNECKS!
Fuck off.
Always wondered why. Does it touch a nerve that forces an emotional kneejerk response?
Over time I know moderation will kick in to adjust such posts (which typically are a minority) vs logically reasoned and interesting content that will eventually surface. But I think it is interesting to reflect on the psychological basis for the need to respond immediately by someone holding a specific viewpoint vs rest of us.
You can say whatever you want to try to deny global climate warming exists, but you're using less supportable tactics than the person you're crying about right now. FYI, climate change is established science now.
You can't stop that just by wishing it isn't so.
Sorry, but how can you believe something that you have evidence for? When you have evidence for something, you know. You cannot believe when you know. They are mutually exclusive.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Not even in the vicinity of close.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
the planet isn't in trouble from us, we don't have that kind of power.
You mean like how we couldn't possibly destroy the ozone layer, or couldn't possibly deplete the oceans' fish populations by 50% since the 1970's? Or couldn't possibly drive countless species of animals extinct, or couldn't possibly pollute watersheds to the point where nothing can live in them? The list goes on and on.
Wake up.
Keep crap articles like this off this site. Go moderate Mother Jones.
You are kidding, right?? This was a tweet from a reporter on his personal account, and he deleted after 20 minutes and apologized for it.
Never was a published WaPo story. The Post did _not_ report the rally was empty. But don't let facts get in the way here....
You cannot believe when you know. They are mutually exclusive.
Based on whose definition? Yours?
belief
NOUN
1An acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
1.1 Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion.
1.2 A religious conviction.
2 Trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something)
If I drop my pen, I know it's going to fall. I believe in gravity. The pen falling is evidence of gravity. Knowing something and believing something aren't at all exclusive. You believe everything you know.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
if the temperatures in an area are warmer than average, it's climate change. If the temperatures in an area are lower than average, it's just weather.
If the trend is one of increasing sliding average, then yes, this is exactly what you'd expect to observe: even cold weather in a warming climate is still lower than long-term average because the change is gradual.
Ezekiel 23:20
Hot day? GLOBAL WARMING!
Normal day? Weather is not climate!! GET EDUCATED!!!
Cold day? SEE! Global warming makes things more extreme!
The metrics of record cold days vs. record hot days is rather convincing at this point in time and pointing towards an increasing average. The very existence of very cold days is not sufficient to make up for their decreasing frequency.
Ezekiel 23:20
Oh, yay! Another CC story, which means we're all treated to the Dunning-Kruger Effect all-stars on this site with their blistering hot takes on why there's so much doubt about the fundamental points of CC (it's real, it's caused by humans, it's here now, and it's a hell of a big problem).
Dear morons: Get a clue, and understand the following points:
1. Our understanding of the basic mechanism of CC, the greenhouse effect, goes back well over a century, e.g. Google Svante Arrhenius and see his work from the 1890s.
2. Climate scientists are not in this for the money or the journal publications or tenure or whatever. They don't want this to be true. They have families just like the rest of us, and almost every one of them is freaking out. They would be deliriously happy for someone to actually prove that CC is not a threat or could be cheaply and easily fixed.
3. Because of how much CO2 we've already put into the atmosphere and the oceans, how long it stays there, and how much we're still pumping out, there is no reasonable expectation at all that we'll escape horrific, off-the-charts expensive impacts from sea level rise. It is literally too late to save many large coastal cities around the world, barring some miraculous technology that allows us to suck many billions of tons of CO2 out of the biosphere and permanently sequester it. And that sea level rise will create many millions of refugees and untold international conflicts. One example: Bangladesh has about half the population of the US in an area the size of Iowa, most of it being very low-lying coastal area. If you think South Asia is "interesting" now, wait until 10 or 20 or 50 million people are displaced from that country with nowhere to go.
I apologize for the nasty tone of this post. I've been fighting this battle for nearly 15 years, and I've long ago run out of patience with the armchair experts who think they know more than nearly 100% of the world's experts in a highly technical field.
Instead of "Wake up" I would suggest to "Broaden your vision" This is a classic. So what if the ozone layer is completely destroyed? And if the fish are all dead. Or lots of species are extinct. Watersheds, etc. How does this "threaten" a huge rock revolving a small/medium star? There will be other critters species that will thrive in other types of environments. For some reason we say our planet is threatened because plants, animals, and even humans are having a harder time living on it or perhaps becoming extinct. The planet isn't threaten, we are. Again, this globe will continue to spin long after our exit.
It's all lies
and besides it's not our fault,
and besides it's worth it,
and besides it's not that bad,
and besides I hate you guys so I must be right even when I make no sense.
So there, that'll teach ya lefties.
sudo ergo sum
Letting them all die cuts down on the population problem, and thus the energy and pollution problems.
You are a fine example for a human being. Right up there with Pol Pot and Adolf Eichmann.
Stephan
It's been a gradual thing, over time conservatives have lost their focus on moral values, and have shifted to winning at any cost. Of course, if all you care about is winning at any cost, then you will forgive lies as long as you think they're helping your side to win.
Fanatically anti-fanatical
I don't deny global climate change exists. It is debatable as to the overall implications as 1) the climate models are shit; 2) research funding is contingent on only believing in the gcc alarmist orthodoxy; 3) the "97% of scientists" quote is based on a narrowly defined survey - that one might say is faulty, bordering on dishonest, research; 4) a growing body of scientists across the spectrum are in disagreement with the gcc alarmist orthodoxy; 5) carbon dioxide is not the leading green house gas - it's water vapor.
Been quite warm, again, here in the north. It's nice not getting much snow anymore but it does cause water issues in the summer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
Sahara has significant diurnal and annual temperature variations. If humid air gets over it under some extreme conditions (which most likely involve elevated temperatures at its oceanic point of origin), why couldn't it snow?
Ezekiel 23:20
What seems to be happening where I am is no record hot days but lots of record runs of above normal temperatures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
The climate has been changing since the Earth was formed. There is no "historical norm".
And people have being dying from natural causes since the beginning of the human race. Hence there is neither murder nor war. Open the prisons.
Stephan
And that data changes, to become colder in the past, every year that it is released to show that the warming trend is more significant.
When the "scientists" stop lying about the stats that they are using, then there might actually be something to be concerned about. Instead, the only thing that we should be concerned about is the idiocy that represents those funding these unethical and unskilled people. The largest factor in our solar system is almost never considered in their models -- the sun -- and therefore they are utterly pointless.
This is no different than a child in school proving that their grades are improving by lowering their old grades to show the trend that they want everyone to see.
False dichotomy much?
Ezekiel 23:20
Yes I do...in New Orleans.
Trust me, I know heat....but we're getting cold we never get, and it is lasting long too.
Hell, I-10 from Lafayette through Slidell has been shut down for nearly 2x days.
We're not designed for such prolonged cold weather, so yes, it is VERY noticeable here past few years with longer, colder winter times.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Now imagine how much polar ice had to melt/not form in order to put the South in a deep freeze.
not as much as i hope yours is tongue it cheek. given the âoesolutionâ to global warming is a ficken ice age... you know, like the one that killed off most of life on this planet 20,000 years ago or so, and we are hopefully still coming out of. but sadly i suspect most global warming activists really do just want to see the end of life on earth.
The definition of "believe" doesn't bother me. It works fine as-is. To "believe" is to "accept as true." What we need is a proper replacement for "y'all" and gender-neutral alternatives for "he/she" and "him/her". "They" and "them" are poor alternatives for "he/she" and "him/her" and, even though you can imply a plural "you", "y'all" is clearer but sloppy.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
Besides, who are the first to die? People in costal regions and in extreme hot weather locations.
The Middle East, Africa, India and Pakistan, China, etc. South America and Central America.
You know, SHITHOLES.
You left the US off your list, I'm sure that was just an oversight. Where is the majority of our population? Yeah, the coasts. How many climate zones are there in the US? 26, including "extreme hot weather locations" like Nevada, California, Arizona, etc. The record high temps in the US for each month between and including May and September are between 124 and 134F.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Right, people who think overpopulation is a self-correcting problem are just like people who actively carried out genocide.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
It most definitely has not been the coldest on record. I've had about 2 days this year when I can wear a hoodie without sweating.
That's the only thing that matters, right? The temperature where I am. It doesn't matter what's going on in the rest of the world. It's about 70F here, which means it's 70F everywhere, right? I'm pretty sure that's how these things work.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Sooo, you either have the least sophisticated low pass filter mechanism
Or you're a complete comedic genius
Hard to say which
Cold weather in Texas proves global warming false.
Unusually cold weather and winter storms in Texas probably should convince us that something is up.
I'm a bit worried that we might have icy winters and hot dry summers. But even if that happens we'll have deniers running around telling us "I told you so" about one thing or another.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Actually you are correct. They have observed significant greening in the Sahara as warming increases moisture over the region. Desertification is caused by global cooling....
love is just extroverted narcissism
Whether the pen drops to the ground is independent of your belief. You know from experience that things drop to the ground when you release them, you predict that the pen will drop if you release it and you can observe that the pen drops when you release it.
Believing does not enter that equation.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Spoken to an Australian recently? I think they'd argue about 2018 being one of the coldest on record. I assume you meant to include "so far" and "here".
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/10/...
Spoken to an Australian recently... because they'd tell you about the number of cities in the country with water restrictions from ongoing droughts that are nearing a decade long in some parts as well as consecutive record high summers. In fact they'd be sweltering in one right now.
How do I know... because you're speaking to an Australian right now.
You're not only speaking to an Australian, but one who understands the climate of Australia. Right now we're getting a La Nina event, which is a sub surface cooling in the Pacific (the reversal of an El Nino event) which is part of the El Nino Southern Oscillation or ENSO. This is a welcome change as Australia has been hotter and drier because of several record El Nino events in recent years.
Next time you want to say something completely stupid about Australia... go to Australia first.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Are you saying that you don't believe in gravity? To "believe" is to "accept as true". When I drop my pen, I accept as true that it will fall to the floor. I know it'll fall. Why does the word "believe" distress you so much?
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
Because words are often twisted around to fit a rhetoric that was not intended.
"Believing" very often means "accepting as true without evidence". Or even against all evidence of the contrary. That last part, the evidence, is very important when it comes to "accepting as true", at least for me. Some kind of proof that what is claimed is actually rooted in reality rather than some fantasy.
Accepting as true without verification is exactly what makes fake news and their spread possible.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
"Believing" very often means "accepting as true without evidence". Or even against all evidence of the contrary.
It can be used that way. Maybe that’s the way you use it. I don’t know if I’d say it’s used that way “very often”. Do you believe DJT? Depends on evidence from other sources, past experience, and bias. Do you believe CNN? Same answer. Do you believe your own eyes? Probably; that’s up to you. Do you believe in gravity? I do. Do you believe me? I’ve never been wrong. Nearly all of my beliefs are substantiated by evidence; I don’t understand why that’s a hurdle for you.
Accepting as true without verification is exactly what makes fake news and their spread possible.
Which has zero to do with believing things based on evidence.
Ready to be really upset? When I drop my pen, I have faith that it’ll hit the floor.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
Maybe it's a language thing. Then again, "believing" is just as ambiguous in my native language.
As is faith.
I try to avoid ambiguous language as good as I can. Doesn't work as often as I'd want to, but I try. Human communication is already flawed enough as it is, we needn't make it any less clear.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
According to the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, it isn't gravity. It's intelligent falling, maintained by His Noodly Appendages.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
What appears to be happening is the extreme warming in the Arctic is reducing the temperature difference with the more temperate latitudes which results in a weaker jet stream that becomes wavier rather than being a tight circle around the high Arctic. So the jet stream is looping up the Pacific off the west coast then turning back south over Alaska and shooting down the east side of the Rockies. That draws Arctic air down into the deep south accounting for the cold temperatures there. That is becoming more common than it used to be due to a weaker, wavier jet stream due to the warming in the Arctic. Meanwhile it's been quite warm and dry here on the west coast of North America.
The largest factor in our solar system is almost never considered in their models -- the sun -- and therefore they are utterly pointless.
Nope, the sun is included in every single climate model. They wouldn't work without it. It's just that observations of the sun which have been quite good for over a century and continuous from satellites since 1979 don't show enough variation to account for the warming. In fact the sun's emissions have been on the low end of it's variation range since the middle 2000s yet there has been no cooling because of it.
Yes, I know climate is not weather.
Then why do you think your current experience with weather is relevant to the climate debate?