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Ask Slashdot: How Would You Explain Einstein's Theories To a Nine-Year-Old?

SiggyRadiation writes: A few days ago, my 9-year-old son asked me why Albert Einstein was so famous. I decided not just to start with the famous formula E=mc^2, because that just seemed to be the easy way out. So I tried to explain what mass and energy are. Then I asked him to try to explain gravity to me. The earth pulls at you because it has a lot of mass. But how can the earth influence your body, pull your feet to the ground, without actually touching you? Why is it that one thing (the earth) can influence something else (you) without actually being connected? Isn't that weird? Einstein figured out how energy, mass and gravity work and are related to each other. This is where our conversation ended.

Afterwards I thought: this might be a nice question to ask on Slashdot; how would I continue this discussion to explain it to him further? Of course, with the goal of further feeding his interest in physics.

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  1. I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    next.

    1. Re:I Wouldn't. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      Relativity might be a better place to start, or just tell the kid humanity is destined to be crushed in a black hole if it is lucky to survive that long.

    2. Re:I Wouldn't. by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly.

      If it was possible to explain Einstein's theory of relativity to a nine year old it would mean that Einstein was only as smart as a nine year old, which, obviously is not correct.

      But your argument is just as incorrect. The complexity of relativity gives us a lower bound for Einstein's smartiness, not an upper one. And quite often, as we understand things better, they do actually become simpler - the move from Aristotle to Kepler and Newton made the solar system a lot simpler.

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    3. Re:I Wouldn't. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They don't need the math, just the high level concept. Just like we do with every thing else you teach them.

      Use a trampoline. Roll balls around each other and each other.

    4. Re:I Wouldn't. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Relativity, spacetime curvature, and mass-energy equivalence are not beyond a nine year old's ability to understand. They aren't going to be able to understand all the formulas, but they can get the gist of the concepts.

      If you don't want to explain it to your kid, there are plenty of great Youtube videos you can point to that explain all this stuff really well in kid friendly terms.

      Youtube and Wikipedia have made parenting much easier.

    5. Re:I Wouldn't. by VernonNemitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Einstein is famous for more than just Relativity stuff. He got a Nobel Prize for some work in Quantum Mechanics (explained the photo-electric effect). He may also be famous for popularizing the use of "thought experiments" in physics --he's certainly famous for thinking of some very insightful thought-experiments, that guided his mathematical efforts. And he is certainly famous for promoting the notion that all aspects of the physical universe can be described by a few fundamental equations (even though the notion is still waiting to be proved true).

    6. Re:I Wouldn't. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They will probably have a very hard time understanding the magnitude of the numbers involved.

      So what? You don't have to understand scientific notation to know that you can vaporize Klingons with anti-matter.

      When kids ask questions, they just want a quick overview. They aren't expecting you to read them a PhD dissertation. Although that might be effective way to get them to go bother someone else the next time they have a question.

    7. Re:I Wouldn't. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If 9-yo could understand relativity then the industrial revolution would have occurred 600-BC !

      1. The industrial revolution was not based on relativity. It was based on Newtonian physics.
      2. Plenty of 9 year olds can understand that F=MA.
      3. Understanding something is not the same as discovering it. Plenty of big discoveries are "obvious" in hindsight.

    8. Re:I Wouldn't. by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The way I'd explain Relativity to a kid is that people always thought that time and space (distance) were universal constants, and everything could be represented assuming those two were constant. If two people are in the same location observing the same thing, but one person is stationary and the other moving, a light beam will appear to be moving at a different speed to the two people.

      Einstein showed that the speed of light is what stays constant. Light appears to move at the same speed to both those people in the above example. Space and time themselves warp to make that possible. In this case, by time appearing to pass more slowly for one person.

      If this is a typical 9-year old, he'll think "that's weird," go to sleep, and the next day his mind will be back on TV, video games, and sports. If he's atypical, he's going to spend a long time awake thinking about this and have a bunch more questions for you in the morning. Then you can introduce him to all sorts of fun stuff like light clocks, the twin paradox, (the lack of) simultaneity (I especially like the ladder paradox since it's very intuitive and demonstrates how the loss of simultaneity resolves seeming paradoxes).

    9. Re:I Wouldn't. by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      A paradox I like even more, is the one with two 100 meter trains passing each other on an 80 m section of track by going at 0.6c. A bystander sees the two trains pass each other while they are only 80 m long due to Lorentz contraction. On the train, your own train is 100 m, the section of double track is 64 m, but fortunately the other train is even shorter (45.8 m) and they pass each other first on one side and then the other.

      The reason I like it better than the ladder paradox is that it really drives home the point that the contraction is real. With the ladder, people tend to say that the ladder is never really in the barn, it's just a result of the clocks being off (especially since that's how you explained it can be in the barn and not really in the barn depending on who's looking and whether or not the clocks say the same thing). With the train, you can point out that even though the points of view explain the result differently, the trains actually do end up passing each other no matter how you look at them, while they really ought to be too long.

  2. Uranium – Twisting the Dragon's Tail by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Has some of the history of the atomic age and the science, math.
    http://www.pbs.org/program/ura...

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  3. Better yet.... by eyepeepackets · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...wait until you get the pleasure of trying to explain how "gravity" warps space, which is supposedly nothing at all, and how nothing can be warped. Then there is the whole issue of time versus timing in the context of perception, etc. Not a pleasant place to be if you want the kid to think you are not just another nutter.

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    1. Re:Better yet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      General Relativity took me 5 years to get my head around as an adult. I taught my daughter, now 11alot about current cosmology. She now has nightmares about asteroid hits and the heat death of the universe, But she loves maths and wants to be an engineer, so I've done pretty well.

  4. Newton. by msauve · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Einstein figured out how energy, mass and gravity work and are related to each other. "

    That would be Newton. Einstein tweaked Newton to cover the extremes.

    To acquaint someone with Einstein, start with some of his thought experiments which break Newtonian physics.

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    1. Re:Newton. by dfsmith · · Score: 4, Informative

      Newton didn't get the energy part.

      Einstein (as I understand it) and the rest of the physics world had a problem in that Maxwell's Equations did a really good job of describing electromagnetism. However, the wave equation that pops out does not account for the velocity of the observer. This implied that the speed of EM radiation (light) is constant for ANY observer: oh dear. Einstein (and Lorentz) hypothesized that time didn't have to be the same everywhere, and came up with Special Relativity to describe it. And, remarkably, SR was shown to be accurate. It's also how energy gets mixed in with mass.

      A handful (nearly two hands full) of years later, Einstein published General Relativity as a description of why acceleration looks the same as gravity. (Inspired by Newton's F=(constant)*Ma=GMm/(rr).) He did this by hypothesizing that distance is not the same everywhere. And, remarkably, GR was shown to be accurate. (He needed some help from other mathematicians, because the math is hard for warped spacetime.)

      Maybe the above is not quite kid-friendly, but Einstein challenged the ideas of classical physics (time and space being "flat"), and got it right. Or at least the next-level-of-right.

    2. Re:Newton. by msauve · · Score: 2

      "Newton didn't get the energy part."

      Of course he did. Perhaps you're referring to Mass-energy equivalence which is, as I said, at the extremes.

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  5. Gravity Visualized by imcdona · · Score: 2

    There's always this: https://youtu.be/MTY1Kje0yLg

  6. How smart is this kid? by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If he's pretty smart, then you might be able to hand him a copy of Einstein's Relativity: The Special and General Theory. This is a layman's-level introduction that avoids the weeds of Riemann geometry and the like. The math will still be above his head (unless your nine-year-old understands college-level algebra), but he should still be able to get the concepts from reading this.

    1. Re:How smart is this kid? by evought · · Score: 2

      If he's pretty smart, then you might be able to hand him a copy of Einstein's Relativity: The Special and General Theory....

      Indeed, I started that way, myself. Between his thought experiments and illustrations, Einstein did a very good job of bringing the extreme conditions he was talking about down to things you could imagine. I also read a number of Asimov's non-fiction books between 4th and 7th grade (my parents had a very good library downstairs). Today, I have a tabletop illustrated edition of Hawking's A Brief History of Time and The Universe In a Nutshell which I have worked through parts of with our daughter (now 13). The combination of a text which takes a layman's approach without dumbing it down and good illustrations is key.

      Good movies also help. My wife and I have had really good conversations with our daughter at a diner with a pen and a pile of napkins after a movie. Hidden Figures was one she has gotten hooked on. She is now reading the book and interested enough to sit down and voluntarily work through Algebra problems in a Schaum's Outline with me while it is otherwise very difficult to get her to sit still for anything. Others which got her thinking were Arrival, The Martian and ... blast... the one involving ecological disaster, a colonizing mission, a black hole, and a time loop... one of the characters was 'Murph'. Anyway, kids need to be able to think about things in context, even a fictional one, and sometimes the faults in the fiction can even become teaching examples themselves. Honestly, most adults learn best that way, too, we just don't always admit it.

      We were surprised to find that there are a few good 'space camps' around and in different parts of the country. We sent our daughter to a program in the Midwest over the summer after she got hooked on the Martian; just an introductory program, but some of the exhibits and simulators they had for kids to learn on were amazing. If kids can see where some of the knowledge plugs in in a real physical, visceral way, they have someplace to file even knowledge that they don't quite understand yet. It can become a puzzle that they keep coming back to as they get more pieces.

  7. If you think Special Relativity makes sense... by aberglas · · Score: 2

    You do not really understand it.

    Two twins orbit around each other and then meet. They are both older than each other. Warping fundamental concepts of time and distance to make speed do weird things. As to General Relativity, those pretty pictures you see on TV are nothing like what it really is.

    Newton is hard enough. Maybe by 16 a kid might be able to really understand it if they are smart.

    Some things just cannot be explained in a meaningful way.

    1. Re:If you think Special Relativity makes sense... by Pfhorrest · · Score: 4, Informative

      Two twins orbit around each other and then meet. They are both older than each other.

      Sounds like you're the one who doesn't understand relativity.

      Two twins are set into motion relative to each other, and then left to coast inertially like that. Time passes. Each twin thinks more time has passed for the other than for themselves since they were set into motion. Neither is objectively correct; a third observer could find the same amount of time to have passed for both, or any different ratio of time to have passed for either, depending on how that observer is moving.

      But then the twins are set back into motion toward each other. Again, after being set into motion like that, they disagree about how much time is passing for each other, but then, so does every other observer, and about everything else in the universe too. Observers in different states of motion disagree about how much time is passing how quickly where.

      The twins come back together and are brought to a stop relative to each other. They have definitive ages relative to each other that they both agree on, as does every other observer in the universe.

      The trick is that when they're being set into motion apart, turned around and sent back together, and stopped at the end, time is also passing differently for each of them not just because of their different states of motion, which nobody can agree upon, but depending on whose motion is being changed how much, which is something that every observer can agree upon even if they can't agree on the absolute measure of that motion. (That is, while observers may disagree about which twin is stationary and which is moving, they will all agree that one twin is moving more [or less] now than it was before).

      If one twin stayed in the same state of motion the whole time, while the other got sped away, turned around, and then stopped when he got back, then the one who stayed behind is older, and everybody agrees.

      In your scenario, it sounds like they both underwent the same acceleration, just mirrored from each other, so both would be the same age when they came back together, and both would agree on that, as would every other observer in the universe.

      Other observers moving differently than the twins would disagree on what age they are, but they'd all agree that they're the same age as each other, whatever that age is.

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  8. Sit them down in front of some good science TV by istartedi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wouldn't try to do it directly. Plenty of other people have covered these areas, and on a level that makes it accessible. For time dilation, Carl Sagan's original Cosmos series had an excellent depiction of time dilation and travel approaching the speed of light. IIRC, part of it was based on a "what if" scenario in which c was something you could approach by peddling a bicycle really hard. When you returned from the ride, all your friends were grey-haired old people.

    I'm sure there is some other good programming out there.

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    1. Re:Sit them down in front of some good science TV by istartedi · · Score: 2
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  9. Try Special Relativity by david_thornley · · Score: 2

    Special Relativity can be comprehended by a reasonably intelligent people who knows some algebra, and it introduces some fascinating concepts. General Relativity is much more complicated. The explanations I've seen involve either a lot of hand-waving or tensor calculus. Start with Special Relativity, and leave the General Relativity stuff for later, if ever.

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  10. Here's how ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    There are two: Special relativity and General relativity.

    Associate the "S" with speed and the "G" with gravity.

    Neither is noticeable to you because objects would have to be moving super fast or an object would have to be immersed into a very strong gravity.

    As an object approaches the speed of light, as compared to us standing still, that object gets very heavy, a clock on it would run very slowly, and the object would become shorter.

    A very large gravitational field does about the same thing.

    Einstein also discovered that mass is frozen energy and both are the same thing, similar to water and ice.

    It's more complicated than this simple description and I can help if you'd like to learn more.

    Have your mother bring me a beer.

    Thanks, kid.

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  11. The same way I'd explain it to anyone by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein

  12. He doesn't have an interest... by kenh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Afterwards I thought: this might be a nice question to ask on Slashdot; how would I continue this discussion to explain it to him further? Of course, with the goal of further feeding his interest in physics.

    He hasn't shown an interest in physics, he's shown an interest in a famous name he's heard (likely) repeatedly.

    You should learn not to read too much into everything a 9 year-old says.

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  13. Wrong answer by turbidostato · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By your own account, your son is not asking you about relativity: he is asking why Einstein is so famous (and he is 9 year old).

    The proper answer is, then, because he ranked to the top of his field, just like (put here whatever TV competition he is fan of, Disney young singers or whatever). When you get to the top of your field, you get famous. Full stop.

    Now, if you really want to introduce him into Einstein's, I can tell how I introduced myself, but I was eleven or twelve back then, which I think makes the situation a world apart.

    I happened to start thinking about the relativity principle, the original one, Galileo's (no memory of how I stumbled onto it, though) and felt fascinated by the old man in his ship, trying to decide from within his cabin if the ship was moving or not. From there I moved to the "known fact" that nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can go faster than light in a vacuum (you can disgress a bit here talking about Mach's aether and Michelson-Morley experiment if you want to), and how would the world look like if that were true (I probably had read some of the old mental experiments about trains and watches coming and going, but I've forgotten when or where, probably because all this became obscured on my memory by my read, years later, of both Russell's 'ABC of Relativity' and Einstein's 'The meaning of Relativity' -*you* should read them and you would probably wouldn't be asking this question.

    Once I got satisfied about special, I moved to the general starting also on"known" facts (taken by me as granted, back then): energy and mass are somehow equivalent (E=m*c^2) and gravity and acceleration look very much the same but can they in fact be set appart? (hint: gravitity looks "spherical" from the perspective of an observer under a heavy field). Oh, another interesting fact: there can also be black holes under newtonian physics, as long as C stands constant and nothing can run faster than light (in a vacuum -oh! and why does light runs faster in a vacuum than through transparent matter? does something can go faster than light -on said matter? Mr Cerenkov left a message).

    The fact is, that though you cannot *demonstrate* Einstein's Special or General theories of Relativity without advanced maths (you can't demonstrate Newton's either), you can *exhibit* them on a credible manner, specially the special one (pun intended), on a two dimensional field, just using basic geometry, so a child can have a grasp of them.

  14. C = Genius by thestuckmud · · Score: 2

    Explain that Einstein grew up in a time when physicists were looking for the materiel makeup of the universe, referred to as "ether", but they had so far failed to provide an explanation. Famously, the Michelsonâ"Morley experiment showed no changes in the speed of light moving in different directions, which makes no sense if Earth is moving through the ether.

    Einstein had the brilliance and audacity to reject common sense models of the universe and ask what would it be like if the speed of light really is constant: That the photons leaving a headlight on a moving train move at the same rate whether we measure them standing on the train or on a platform at the train station. From there, using wonderful "thought experiments," relativity was born.

    Next, you can introduce concepts like red/blue (doppler) shift, time dilation, and the effect acceleration has on changing otherwise invariant properties of physics (special relativity).

    I think it is informative to explain the awesome scope and mathematical complexity of general relativity, which re-imagined the universe as a four dimensional space-time whole. That even Einstein had welcome help with the mathematics. That today's physicists have yet to resolve this apparently correct theory of the large with quantum mechanics, the physics of the very small. And that black hole, which were only things of science fiction when I was a kid, offer the best promise of tying these together of anything in the cosmos.

    1. Re:C = Genius by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 2

      Morley continued the experiments after the famous one you're referring to and found proof of a dynamic aether. They couldn't detect the aether in the famous Michelson-Morley experiment because the experiment was only designed to detect a static aether. Aether moves with matter, and likely causes inertia, it doesn't just act as some thing we are experiencing drag from (think trying to measure the wind while you're a feather being blown around by it and only able to "see" a few micrometers from the surface of the feather, you won't detect shit because it's moving with you.)

  15. Sagan by JBMcB · · Score: 2

    Outsource it to Carl Sagan:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  16. Einstein Disagrees by BlazeMiskulin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.""
    -- Albert Einstein

    1. Re:Einstein Disagrees by raftpeople · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd like to see Einstein explain bitcoin to his grandma.

    2. Re:Einstein Disagrees by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      So how did Einstein simply explain his life's work?

      Special and General Relativity, explained very clearly. Albert was a good writer, and could explain concepts intuitively. Hundreds of books have been written about relativity, but this book was one of the first, and still may be the best.

    3. Re:Einstein Disagrees by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd like to see Einstein explain bitcoin to his grandma.

      It's a tulip made of numbers! And my grandma loves tulips so she would be an early bitcoin adopter.

  17. Annus mirabilis by langmick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would ask my nephew that when he was around that age, he starts at MIT next year at 16. I would explain to him that in one year, Albert Einstein changed the face of the world, and made all our lives better. He used his imagination to do it. He wasn't the best mathematician, in face, there were better ones hot on his heels, but he had the ability to imagine how little things work as well as the entire universe. He then set out to prove it. I think kids respond to encouraging their creativity with stories like Einstein's and how he built his ideas on other's ideas. Exposing them to Julius Sumner Miller, Brian Greene and Richard Feynman is also a lot of fun, because they had lots of fun with science. I enjoy talking to kids about science, and seeing their eyes light up. These videos are pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  18. Re: Magic by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

    Which is why he needs to get interested soon before he notices the opposite sex.

    Eventually he'll figure out that the opposite sex is also indistinguishable from magic.

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  19. fake news by bugs2squash · · Score: 4, Funny

    I once read an account of a thought experiment where there are a line of cows side by side with their noses all touching a long, straight fence. The farmer attaches an electric fence shocker to one end of the fence and it makes all the cows jump as they feel the shock.

    The farmer sees the cows jump one after the other as the electricity reaches each nose

    But to a visitor from a nearby city, who happens to be standing at the other end of the fence at the time, the cows all seem to jump up in unison, since the light bringing the image of the far cow arrives at the same time as the electricity arrives to shock the nearest cow.

    When the farmer and the passerby meet they find they have different first hand accounts of the same events, proving to the farmer that city folk are ignorant of country ways, and proving to the city slicker that country folk tell tall stories

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  20. Lets do the time warp again! by TiggertheMad · · Score: 2

    Read him: Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions. Its an old novella that got rediscovered when Al was becoming famous, because it had a 2d dimensional characters that discover a 3d world, and many of the ideas also could be extended to thinking about being a 3d entity living in 4th dimensional space-time.

    He can wait until 4th grade before you show him the field equations and teach him PDEs....

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