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Ask Slashdot: How Would You Explain Einstein's Theories To a Nine-Year-Old?

SiggyRadiation writes: A few days ago, my 9-year-old son asked me why Albert Einstein was so famous. I decided not just to start with the famous formula E=mc^2, because that just seemed to be the easy way out. So I tried to explain what mass and energy are. Then I asked him to try to explain gravity to me. The earth pulls at you because it has a lot of mass. But how can the earth influence your body, pull your feet to the ground, without actually touching you? Why is it that one thing (the earth) can influence something else (you) without actually being connected? Isn't that weird? Einstein figured out how energy, mass and gravity work and are related to each other. This is where our conversation ended.

Afterwards I thought: this might be a nice question to ask on Slashdot; how would I continue this discussion to explain it to him further? Of course, with the goal of further feeding his interest in physics.

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  1. I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    next.

    1. Re:I Wouldn't. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      Relativity might be a better place to start, or just tell the kid humanity is destined to be crushed in a black hole if it is lucky to survive that long.

    2. Re:I Wouldn't. by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly.

      If it was possible to explain Einstein's theory of relativity to a nine year old it would mean that Einstein was only as smart as a nine year old, which, obviously is not correct.

      But your argument is just as incorrect. The complexity of relativity gives us a lower bound for Einstein's smartiness, not an upper one. And quite often, as we understand things better, they do actually become simpler - the move from Aristotle to Kepler and Newton made the solar system a lot simpler.

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    3. Re:I Wouldn't. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They don't need the math, just the high level concept. Just like we do with every thing else you teach them.

      Use a trampoline. Roll balls around each other and each other.

    4. Re:I Wouldn't. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Relativity, spacetime curvature, and mass-energy equivalence are not beyond a nine year old's ability to understand. They aren't going to be able to understand all the formulas, but they can get the gist of the concepts.

      If you don't want to explain it to your kid, there are plenty of great Youtube videos you can point to that explain all this stuff really well in kid friendly terms.

      Youtube and Wikipedia have made parenting much easier.

    5. Re:I Wouldn't. by VernonNemitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Einstein is famous for more than just Relativity stuff. He got a Nobel Prize for some work in Quantum Mechanics (explained the photo-electric effect). He may also be famous for popularizing the use of "thought experiments" in physics --he's certainly famous for thinking of some very insightful thought-experiments, that guided his mathematical efforts. And he is certainly famous for promoting the notion that all aspects of the physical universe can be described by a few fundamental equations (even though the notion is still waiting to be proved true).

    6. Re:I Wouldn't. by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      That doesn't make sense. That's like saying Donald Knuth is as stupid as I am because I can understand quite a few things he's famous for. Or it's like saying Roald Dahl is a terrible writer because 6 year olds understand his novels.

      Einstein pulled a lot of information and theories together to form insights into the workings of the universe that a 9 year old (probably) couldn't do. But that doesn't mean those insights can't be explained.

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    7. Re:I Wouldn't. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They will probably have a very hard time understanding the magnitude of the numbers involved.

      So what? You don't have to understand scientific notation to know that you can vaporize Klingons with anti-matter.

      When kids ask questions, they just want a quick overview. They aren't expecting you to read them a PhD dissertation. Although that might be effective way to get them to go bother someone else the next time they have a question.

    8. Re:I Wouldn't. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If 9-yo could understand relativity then the industrial revolution would have occurred 600-BC !

      1. The industrial revolution was not based on relativity. It was based on Newtonian physics.
      2. Plenty of 9 year olds can understand that F=MA.
      3. Understanding something is not the same as discovering it. Plenty of big discoveries are "obvious" in hindsight.

    9. Re:I Wouldn't. by WarJolt · · Score: 1

      Einstein had no idea how gravity works like the article suggests. Theoretical physicists have some ideas, but no consensus yet.

      Also, the article neglects to mention that Newtonian physics explains gravity as a force that pulls you towards the earth. That particular contribution predates Einstein by quite a bit.

    10. Re:I Wouldn't. by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The way I'd explain Relativity to a kid is that people always thought that time and space (distance) were universal constants, and everything could be represented assuming those two were constant. If two people are in the same location observing the same thing, but one person is stationary and the other moving, a light beam will appear to be moving at a different speed to the two people.

      Einstein showed that the speed of light is what stays constant. Light appears to move at the same speed to both those people in the above example. Space and time themselves warp to make that possible. In this case, by time appearing to pass more slowly for one person.

      If this is a typical 9-year old, he'll think "that's weird," go to sleep, and the next day his mind will be back on TV, video games, and sports. If he's atypical, he's going to spend a long time awake thinking about this and have a bunch more questions for you in the morning. Then you can introduce him to all sorts of fun stuff like light clocks, the twin paradox, (the lack of) simultaneity (I especially like the ladder paradox since it's very intuitive and demonstrates how the loss of simultaneity resolves seeming paradoxes).

    11. Re:I Wouldn't. by Evtim · · Score: 1

      Special relativity is a great "click-bait" because I yet have to meet a (layman) person who does not go wide-eyes when you mention time dilation (most people think that time is a convenient notion invented by humans that does not "really exist as a thing" anyway). It's a great narrative - everyone intuitively understands the Galileo transformations, no problem there. Build it up with few examples (cars, trains) and the go to "let's see what happens when we try to measure the speed of light from different inertial frames of reference". Oh wait, it does not change! Oh no! The only way to make the maths work is if mass, dimension and duration are changeable. Oh piss off, that is nuts! OK, let's measure then! Shit, he is right!.

      Bonus points if you involve a bit of human drama (people of all ages love that) - how physicists thought everything was figured out at the beginning of 20th century, how Einstein inadvertently paved the way to quantum mechanics with which he had so much trouble later on and so on....

      However, in the particular case I think one should start with short introduction of "fields" to explain how objects can interact with each other without being in contact (differentiating between the cases when there is matter in between carrying the interaction, like a sound wave and when there isn't). That's easy - the electromagnetic filed provides a million examples from everyday life including the most familiar gadget in the world - mobile phone. Then you do the special relativity and finally go to the "rubber sheet illustration" of general relativity.

      Final thought - Einstein is tricky to explain to youngsters but essential, because IMO the story represents the most difficult yet most exciting and desirable thing scientists have to cope with - a paradigm shift. When I studied all this in University I was expecting some heavy incomprehensible mathematics and long-winded incomprehensible explanations....nothing of the sort. The ideas are deceptively simple, it's just that if you go with it you need to abandon the present paradigm and formulate new one. That ability - to look at the body of facts with new eyes, to see a structure and an explanation that altered the most fundamental understandings in physics, that is the real genius. The lesson for the youngsters being that it is more important to think laterally , to challenge the established wisdom rather than being able to recite all classes of reactions in organic chemistry or name every star in the sky...

    12. Re:I Wouldn't. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      I was going to say something similar.

      Einstein's Special and General theories don't really explain gravity. Nor does our current understanding of quantum mechanics.

      There are theories -- there always are -- but there is no solid evidence to support any single "grand unified theory" theory yet.

    13. Re:I Wouldn't. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The ability to understand something when explained is far easier than the ability to discover something unprompted.

      I hope you realise the significance of the fact I had to explain this to you. You should feel a special type of stupid right now.

    14. Re:I Wouldn't. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it would mean that you were as smart as Einstein. Or, at least, able to plagiarise Einstein, who did explain special relativity to his children and wrote down the explanation that he used. My father told me the same explanation when I was 11. There's a lot of maths, and the moment when you can work out the mass-energy equivalence formula from first principles requires a lot more maths than a typical child has, but that isn't needed to get an understanding of what Einstein showed any more than you need to understand Newton's laws to understand that he worked out how to calculate where a thrown object will land and the relationship between the mass of an object and how fast two things will fall together.

      Einstein used a model of two trains moving towards each other, each with headlights on the front, and asked his children what would happen to the light. If you start with the speed of sound on a train, then you get to the answer that sound goes faster because the air is moving, so for the light to move faster you'd need some substrate to be moving. The rest falls fairly naturally out of there.

      General relativity, in contrast, is horribly complex.

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    15. Re:I Wouldn't. by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      next.

      Correct. In order for someone to grasp the subject matter they need the knowledge foundation that his ideas were built upon. How would you explain the inner workings of the internal combustion engine to a 9 year old? You can't. How would you explain fractional reserve banking or the differences between Capitalism and Socialism to a 9 year old? You can't. What you can do however is gradually educate your kids on the foundation concepts that those higher level ideas are built upon which is supposed to be the job of the educational system. Eventually if you provide them with enough information they will make all the right neural connections in their brain and hopefully see the big picture.

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    16. Re:I Wouldn't. by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Relativity, spacetime curvature, and mass-energy equivalence are not beyond a nine year old's ability to understand

      I'd like to see you explain to a 9 year old what a tesseract is such that they actually understand it and can attempt to visualize it. How many slashdotters do you suppose struggle with that? I bet some don't even know what a tesseract is other than some mystical Nordic Mythology thing in Marvel's Avengers.

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    17. Re:I Wouldn't. by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      So what? You don't have to understand scientific notation to know that you can vaporize Klingons with anti-matter.

      Nonsense! Whenever I post to slashdot with each HTTP GET and POST I envision in my mind the precise HTTP/1.1 messages going across the wire including the User Agent for my specific browser. I also envision slashdot's server side code (probably written in 1990's CGI script) processing all this information and reading and writing from flat files on some crusty old Solaris box because they optimized some of the code in assembler to be scalable. You really do need to know all that to use a site like slashdot otherwise you're just not doing it right.

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    18. Re:I Wouldn't. by scottrocket · · Score: 1
      "it is not like this discussion can lead anywhere useful anyway."

      It may inspire some young reader to aim their stubborness at some of the problems talked about here and, in the process eventually become a scientist. That's not too bad a thing.

    19. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You think that's difficult? Try explaining economics to a Bernie Sanders supporter.

    20. Re:I Wouldn't. by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      A paradox I like even more, is the one with two 100 meter trains passing each other on an 80 m section of track by going at 0.6c. A bystander sees the two trains pass each other while they are only 80 m long due to Lorentz contraction. On the train, your own train is 100 m, the section of double track is 64 m, but fortunately the other train is even shorter (45.8 m) and they pass each other first on one side and then the other.

      The reason I like it better than the ladder paradox is that it really drives home the point that the contraction is real. With the ladder, people tend to say that the ladder is never really in the barn, it's just a result of the clocks being off (especially since that's how you explained it can be in the barn and not really in the barn depending on who's looking and whether or not the clocks say the same thing). With the train, you can point out that even though the points of view explain the result differently, the trains actually do end up passing each other no matter how you look at them, while they really ought to be too long.

    21. Re:I Wouldn't. by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Obligatory xkcd.

    22. Re:I Wouldn't. by skids · · Score: 1

      The high level concept here pretty much is the math. Just saying stuff like "light always
      moves at the same speed to every observer no matter how fast they are moving" just
      seeds confusion unless you can wrap your head around the lorentz transformation.
      For most people, this requires quite a bit of pondering and working through examples...
      (frankly, I could use to spend more time on that, personally, despite having a college
      engineering education.)

      What I'd do is explain a bit of newtonian physics to the kid, and then tell him "this stuff will
      work for most things, but when you get into the really large or really fast they start to
      give you wrong answers. Einstein found a new way to think about things that explains
      why, and if you pay attention in your math classes and get really good at math, someday
      maybe you'll be able to understand it."

    23. Re:I Wouldn't. by Frobnicator · · Score: 1

      For the time dilation, I love the example of bouncing a ball off the wall.

      Imagine sitting in a room where a person tosses a ball against the wall, has it bounce back, and catches it.

      The person bouncing the ball will have the same experience no matter how fast they are traveling. If they are traveling very slowly compared to the speed of light it will bounce off the wall exactly as you predict. If they are traveling on a train or airplane at a steady speed, they can bounce the ball and it will happen the same. If they are travelling at enormous velocity, it will appear the same. If they are traveling at nearly the speed of light they can continue to bounce the ball and it will travel exactly the same.

      However, because of the absolute speed limit of the speed of light, time would need to dilate for the faster-moving ball. The relative speed of time itself changes when approaching the speed of light.

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    24. Re:I Wouldn't. by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      That's just plain stupid.

      Being able to understand something that someone is explaining to you is NOT the same thing as figuring it out for yourself.

      Just because you think you understand the dumbed down version that you were taught in your high school physics class does not mean that living in a time where no-one on the planet had already discovered relativity you could have pulled it out of a stack of experimental data, thought experiment and logic all by yourself.

      Likewise just because you can explain it in such a way that a 9-year old might get the basic idea does NOT mean that a 9-year old could have discovered the whole thing by his/her self. And, if it did that would only set a lower limit on Einstein's intelligence although it might set an upper limit on that of his contemporaries who did not discover relativity.

      People should try to teach their kids as much as they can. They really do learn more, easier when they are young. If you encourage their curiosity while they are young they will grow up to be smart people. If you act like everything is too complicated they will grow up to be your typical unscientific moron. It only makes sense, their brains are much more plastic at younger ages.

        My daughter learned probably learned more science between the ages of 2 and 4 than most learn up through Junior high just because when she asks a question I give her a real answer. Also she loves to sit down together and research the things she finds interesting on Google.

      These informal lessons get harder once keeping up with the set school curriculum becomes more demanding. She is 7 now and already bringing home daily homework making our 'informal lessons' much less frequent but I can still see the difference in her compared to kids whose parents just assumed they wouldn't understand things and didn't try to teach them.

    25. Re:I Wouldn't. by houghi · · Score: 1

      I would say he is famous for his hair.

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    26. Re:I Wouldn't. by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      9 years old means, at least in the USA, 4th grade. By then a student has (supposedly) learned multiplication and long division. If you cannot explain the basic mechanics of an internal combustion engine, banking, or gravity to someone who "knows" how to multiply and divide, then congratulations, you're a shitty teacher and should just stop talking to people.

      Judging by your immaturity in trolling slashdot like a moron, you must be in 4th grade or lower. Go fuck yourself.

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    27. Re:I Wouldn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see you explain to a 9 year old what a tesseract is such that they actually understand it and can attempt to visualize it.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-68SwgVrhs

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0WjV6MmCyM

      You're welcome.

    28. Re:I Wouldn't. by tigersha · · Score: 1

      That is what I did, except I actually sat on a Trampoline and had a tennis ball roll towards me. The kid understood that, at 6

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  2. Re: Magic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Which is why he needs to get interested soon before he notices the opposite sex.

  3. Uranium – Twisting the Dragon's Tail by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Has some of the history of the atomic age and the science, math.
    http://www.pbs.org/program/ura...

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    1. Re:Uranium – Twisting the Dragon's Tail by tsuliga · · Score: 1

      FYI, you need to be a member to view the video.

    2. Re:Uranium – Twisting the Dragon's Tail by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      For that the series does have colourful dragons to help explain the history and science.

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  4. Better yet.... by eyepeepackets · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...wait until you get the pleasure of trying to explain how "gravity" warps space, which is supposedly nothing at all, and how nothing can be warped. Then there is the whole issue of time versus timing in the context of perception, etc. Not a pleasant place to be if you want the kid to think you are not just another nutter.

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    1. Re:Better yet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      General Relativity took me 5 years to get my head around as an adult. I taught my daughter, now 11alot about current cosmology. She now has nightmares about asteroid hits and the heat death of the universe, But she loves maths and wants to be an engineer, so I've done pretty well.

  5. Newton. by msauve · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Einstein figured out how energy, mass and gravity work and are related to each other. "

    That would be Newton. Einstein tweaked Newton to cover the extremes.

    To acquaint someone with Einstein, start with some of his thought experiments which break Newtonian physics.

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    1. Re:Newton. by dfsmith · · Score: 4, Informative

      Newton didn't get the energy part.

      Einstein (as I understand it) and the rest of the physics world had a problem in that Maxwell's Equations did a really good job of describing electromagnetism. However, the wave equation that pops out does not account for the velocity of the observer. This implied that the speed of EM radiation (light) is constant for ANY observer: oh dear. Einstein (and Lorentz) hypothesized that time didn't have to be the same everywhere, and came up with Special Relativity to describe it. And, remarkably, SR was shown to be accurate. It's also how energy gets mixed in with mass.

      A handful (nearly two hands full) of years later, Einstein published General Relativity as a description of why acceleration looks the same as gravity. (Inspired by Newton's F=(constant)*Ma=GMm/(rr).) He did this by hypothesizing that distance is not the same everywhere. And, remarkably, GR was shown to be accurate. (He needed some help from other mathematicians, because the math is hard for warped spacetime.)

      Maybe the above is not quite kid-friendly, but Einstein challenged the ideas of classical physics (time and space being "flat"), and got it right. Or at least the next-level-of-right.

    2. Re:Newton. by msauve · · Score: 2

      "Newton didn't get the energy part."

      Of course he did. Perhaps you're referring to Mass-energy equivalence which is, as I said, at the extremes.

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    3. Re:Newton. by Boronx · · Score: 1

      That equation is wrong. He didn't get it.

    4. Re:Newton. by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      It's close enough for "lies to children", which is how Terry Pratchett and his co-authors of "Science of Discworld" described educational simplifications.

      I've explained some aspects by walking children, and physics students, through the "ladder paradox" described at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... .The principle of simultaneity which is key to understanding it is often glossed over by many people trying to understand the event. The idea that the time of events depends on the observer so deeply is _enormously_ confusing to students who've been poorly educated. It also lays open extremely critical concepts to a child to understand that the same event will _always_ look different to different frames of reference, or different points of view.

    5. Re:Newton. by msauve · · Score: 1

      You're unfocused and pedantic. The discussion is about Einstein, and that means a differentiation between Newtonian and Einsteinian physics. Anything before Einstein was Newtonian, even if Newton himself didn't fully develop the math and formulae. Fact is, the math came out of Newton's Laws, so he did fully "get it" in concept, even if not fully developed in detail.

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  6. Gravity Visualized by imcdona · · Score: 2

    There's always this: https://youtu.be/MTY1Kje0yLg

  7. How smart is this kid? by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If he's pretty smart, then you might be able to hand him a copy of Einstein's Relativity: The Special and General Theory. This is a layman's-level introduction that avoids the weeds of Riemann geometry and the like. The math will still be above his head (unless your nine-year-old understands college-level algebra), but he should still be able to get the concepts from reading this.

    1. Re:How smart is this kid? by evought · · Score: 2

      If he's pretty smart, then you might be able to hand him a copy of Einstein's Relativity: The Special and General Theory....

      Indeed, I started that way, myself. Between his thought experiments and illustrations, Einstein did a very good job of bringing the extreme conditions he was talking about down to things you could imagine. I also read a number of Asimov's non-fiction books between 4th and 7th grade (my parents had a very good library downstairs). Today, I have a tabletop illustrated edition of Hawking's A Brief History of Time and The Universe In a Nutshell which I have worked through parts of with our daughter (now 13). The combination of a text which takes a layman's approach without dumbing it down and good illustrations is key.

      Good movies also help. My wife and I have had really good conversations with our daughter at a diner with a pen and a pile of napkins after a movie. Hidden Figures was one she has gotten hooked on. She is now reading the book and interested enough to sit down and voluntarily work through Algebra problems in a Schaum's Outline with me while it is otherwise very difficult to get her to sit still for anything. Others which got her thinking were Arrival, The Martian and ... blast... the one involving ecological disaster, a colonizing mission, a black hole, and a time loop... one of the characters was 'Murph'. Anyway, kids need to be able to think about things in context, even a fictional one, and sometimes the faults in the fiction can even become teaching examples themselves. Honestly, most adults learn best that way, too, we just don't always admit it.

      We were surprised to find that there are a few good 'space camps' around and in different parts of the country. We sent our daughter to a program in the Midwest over the summer after she got hooked on the Martian; just an introductory program, but some of the exhibits and simulators they had for kids to learn on were amazing. If kids can see where some of the knowledge plugs in in a real physical, visceral way, they have someplace to file even knowledge that they don't quite understand yet. It can become a puzzle that they keep coming back to as they get more pieces.

  8. The philosopher Didactylos suggested by franzrogar · · Score: 1

    "Things just happen, what the hell".

    (c) Terry Pratchett, "Hogfather"

  9. Dopper Shift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Every red light turns green, if you drive fast enough.

    1. Re:Dopper Shift by mark-t · · Score: 1

      At about 60 to 65% of the speed of light, perhaps...

  10. I'll take a shot by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1
    Disclaimer: I am not a parent.

    Einstein discovered a way to describe how the Universe and everything in it works, in mathematical terms.
    Using the math he created, people can predict how things in our Universe should work, before they even try to do something.

    That'd be my opening shot, anyway. Beyond that it'd depend on what the 9-year old asked me about.
    Someone (who is a parent) once told me that if a child can ask a question, then they're probably ready for the answer. So I'd let the child drive the conversation, as opposed to drowning them in a bunch of information.

  11. yawn ... by Hugh+Jorgen · · Score: 1

    Asking why someone is "famous" does not convey an interest in physics or science or anything else. Seems like a normal nine-year old's inquisitive nature.

  12. If you think Special Relativity makes sense... by aberglas · · Score: 2

    You do not really understand it.

    Two twins orbit around each other and then meet. They are both older than each other. Warping fundamental concepts of time and distance to make speed do weird things. As to General Relativity, those pretty pictures you see on TV are nothing like what it really is.

    Newton is hard enough. Maybe by 16 a kid might be able to really understand it if they are smart.

    Some things just cannot be explained in a meaningful way.

    1. Re:If you think Special Relativity makes sense... by kenh · · Score: 1

      Some things just cannot be explained in a meaningful way.

      What? Examples?

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    2. Re:If you think Special Relativity makes sense... by Pfhorrest · · Score: 4, Informative

      Two twins orbit around each other and then meet. They are both older than each other.

      Sounds like you're the one who doesn't understand relativity.

      Two twins are set into motion relative to each other, and then left to coast inertially like that. Time passes. Each twin thinks more time has passed for the other than for themselves since they were set into motion. Neither is objectively correct; a third observer could find the same amount of time to have passed for both, or any different ratio of time to have passed for either, depending on how that observer is moving.

      But then the twins are set back into motion toward each other. Again, after being set into motion like that, they disagree about how much time is passing for each other, but then, so does every other observer, and about everything else in the universe too. Observers in different states of motion disagree about how much time is passing how quickly where.

      The twins come back together and are brought to a stop relative to each other. They have definitive ages relative to each other that they both agree on, as does every other observer in the universe.

      The trick is that when they're being set into motion apart, turned around and sent back together, and stopped at the end, time is also passing differently for each of them not just because of their different states of motion, which nobody can agree upon, but depending on whose motion is being changed how much, which is something that every observer can agree upon even if they can't agree on the absolute measure of that motion. (That is, while observers may disagree about which twin is stationary and which is moving, they will all agree that one twin is moving more [or less] now than it was before).

      If one twin stayed in the same state of motion the whole time, while the other got sped away, turned around, and then stopped when he got back, then the one who stayed behind is older, and everybody agrees.

      In your scenario, it sounds like they both underwent the same acceleration, just mirrored from each other, so both would be the same age when they came back together, and both would agree on that, as would every other observer in the universe.

      Other observers moving differently than the twins would disagree on what age they are, but they'd all agree that they're the same age as each other, whatever that age is.

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    3. Re:If you think Special Relativity makes sense... by strikethree · · Score: 1

      If one twin stayed in the same state of motion the whole time, while the other got sped away, turned around, and then stopped when he got back, then the one who stayed behind is older, and everybody agrees.

      So... erm, uh... why does everyone seem to think that the Universe is 13.75 billion years old when various parts of it have been moving at various speeds for various amounts of time. Shouldn't some things be 13.75 TRILLION years old and shouldn't some things be 13.75 seconds old?

      Depending on their "velocity" in various frames of reference. Of course.

      Gravity is easy to explain. It is just time differentials causing the acceleration. The further you move away from a mass, the faster time flows in relation to something nearer to the mass.

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  13. Genius on Nat Geo by zamboni1138 · · Score: 1

    Watch season 1 of Genius on the National Geographic channel.

    Your nine year old will learn about a lot more than just Einstein. But it does a decent job of visually explaining some of his breakthroughs.

  14. Find the right book by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    I started to say it would depend on how bright the nine-year-old was, but since he's already asking, it means he's curious and that's the best time to teach a child about something. One of my teachers used to say, "Seize the moment of excited curiosity."

    I have seen a few books (and own a couple of them) written on the subject specifically targeted to young people. Just a quick search on Amazon yielded this one - "Albert Einstein and Relativity for Kids: His Life and Ideas with 21 Activities and Thought Experiments". I know there are others out there.

    Let the kid read one or two of those books and then have a discussion with him to see how much he learned. If he's a bright as I suspect he is, I think you'll be surprised.

  15. Gedanken experiments by werepants · · Score: 1

    Some simple thought experiments, exactly the same as those that Einstein used, would be a great place to start. Specifically, using train cars, and lights, and clocks, and bombs. The most fundamental thing to understand is that WHEN something happened depends on your perspective. That's the fundamental idea, and if you can help your kid appreciate why cause and effect can appear to be different for the same event, that will get him interested.

    I think it will also keep his interest to focus on the provocative aspects of that. Relativity DOESN'T behave the same way that the normal world does, and that's intriguing to people of any age that take the time to think about it.

    1. Re:Gedanken experiments by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      I came to post this. I worked through the train thought experiment with my oldest when she was nine or ten, and she got it. She asked just before bedtime, and I think that we talked for maybe half an hour. She went to sleep disagreeing with our conclusion, but a few days later she mentioned that yup, the train gets smaller as it goes faster!

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    2. Re:Gedanken experiments by robbak · · Score: 1

      That's a good idea - quite often the best way to understand it is to use the thought experiment that the original person used. So just like Newton's Canon is the best way to get a grasp of orbits, Einstien's train is a great handle to get to grips with Relativity.

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    3. Re:Gedanken experiments by werepants · · Score: 1

      Exactly. If it was a powerful enough metaphor to aid in the discovery of the concept in the first place, it is probably going to be among the better teaching tools as well. I didn't really understand orbits until I saw Newton's diagram of the cannonballs of progressively higher velocity shooting around the earth - but that one image made the entire concept clear for me.

      I think more educators should use the original diagrams and thought experiments because of the historical significance, too - it's pretty neat to look at the same exact drawings and think through the same exact patterns of thought that were used decades or centuries before, when the ideas were brand new.

  16. Sit them down in front of some good science TV by istartedi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wouldn't try to do it directly. Plenty of other people have covered these areas, and on a level that makes it accessible. For time dilation, Carl Sagan's original Cosmos series had an excellent depiction of time dilation and travel approaching the speed of light. IIRC, part of it was based on a "what if" scenario in which c was something you could approach by peddling a bicycle really hard. When you returned from the ride, all your friends were grey-haired old people.

    I'm sure there is some other good programming out there.

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    1. Re:Sit them down in front of some good science TV by istartedi · · Score: 2
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    2. Re:Sit them down in front of some good science TV by redmasq · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, I would 1-up this. I had no trouble understanding Sagan's videos when I was in grade school.

    3. Re:Sit them down in front of some good science TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It was actually a Vespa and it's on YouTube

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... This one. Both series are worth watching, and the NdT Cosmos reboot was wonderful -- but the episodes were 41 minutes long. The extra 20 minutes from the 1980/Carl Sagan Cosmos series had gave him enough time to go just a little bit deeper in each episode.

  17. Which Way Is Down video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I thought the following "Which way is down" video really opened my eyes and helped simplify concepts about relativity. It's relatively short and it mostly keeps things simple, yet goes pretty deep.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc4xYacTu-E&feature=youtu.be

  18. Try Special Relativity by david_thornley · · Score: 2

    Special Relativity can be comprehended by a reasonably intelligent people who knows some algebra, and it introduces some fascinating concepts. General Relativity is much more complicated. The explanations I've seen involve either a lot of hand-waving or tensor calculus. Start with Special Relativity, and leave the General Relativity stuff for later, if ever.

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  19. Here's how ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    There are two: Special relativity and General relativity.

    Associate the "S" with speed and the "G" with gravity.

    Neither is noticeable to you because objects would have to be moving super fast or an object would have to be immersed into a very strong gravity.

    As an object approaches the speed of light, as compared to us standing still, that object gets very heavy, a clock on it would run very slowly, and the object would become shorter.

    A very large gravitational field does about the same thing.

    Einstein also discovered that mass is frozen energy and both are the same thing, similar to water and ice.

    It's more complicated than this simple description and I can help if you'd like to learn more.

    Have your mother bring me a beer.

    Thanks, kid.

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    1. Re:Here's how ... by mujadaddy · · Score: 1

      "mass is frozen energy and both are the same thing, similar to water and ice."

      Despite the complaints of AC, I really appreciate this metaphor.

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    2. Re:Here's how ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Why would I read you when I can read this?

      Matter is just frozen light.

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    3. Re:Here's how ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      TL;DR

      You're not 9 years old and neither am I.

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    4. Re:Here's how ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Thank you for your courtesy.

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  20. It's a wave and a particle just like light is by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Now go play with your Nintendo Nano

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  21. The same way I'd explain it to anyone by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein

    1. Re:The same way I'd explain it to anyone by divide+overflow · · Score: 1

      This quote does not appear to have been written by Albert Einstein. He has said something similar, but it is more likely that this quote comes from someone who was paraphrasing Einstein or some other person like William of Ockham or Bertrand Russell.

  22. Imagination by MarkRubin · · Score: 1

    First of all, your kid is amazing. I love his curiosity about the world. To a nine year old, "imagination" is more important than "theories". I would answer the question this way... Einstein used his imagination to visualize how the universe works. He could imagine time, speed, distance, and scale in a way that enabled him to formulate mathematical models of how these things were related. Based on Einstein's understanding of the universe, inventors have created amazing things like: smart phones, Google maps, and atomic energy. Einstein is famous because he used his imagination to find a new way of looking at the world. Einstein once said, "Imagination is more important than knowledge". Try to remember that when you are bored at school. Remember to imagine.

    1. Re:Imagination by kenh · · Score: 1

      Over-analyze much?

      If the 9 year-old knew Einstein was a Physicist, he wouldn't ask "Why is Albert Einstein famous?" You could likely have told him he is famous for playing baseball and he likely wouldn't have pushed back.

      If he asked "Why is Al Gore famous?" that doesn't indicate a deep interest in climate issues.

      If he asked "Why is Mother Theresa famous?" that doesn't indicate a passion for helping his fellow man.

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    2. Re:Imagination by MarkRubin · · Score: 1

      I completely agree with you AC. What an amazing opportunity. I wouldn't squander it with facts and theories that a nine year old wouldn't understand.

  23. How? That's easy! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    How I would explain it is in a condescending and patronizing manner. For good measure, I would end with, "DUH!" and maybe a flick of a finger to their forehead.

    I'm really good with kids, so good that it's intimidating to parents which is why nobody asks me to babysit their kids. ;)

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  24. Fame w/o context by slew · · Score: 1

    Einstein was famous because he was good at PR. He wasn't the most capable Physicist, but he was good at discovering things to work on that would get him attention.

    Now for what he is famous for, it's clearly relativity. The ideas behind special relativity were not new when Einstein proposed his views (Lorentz and Poincare were arguably first), but Einstein was probably the first to completely embrace relativity and the invariance principals.

    Unfortunately, it's really hard to do relativity justice w/o appreciation of exactly what energy and momentum are and the insight that radiation can possess inertia. Of course you can short cut this all into the final insight that E=mc^2, but I'm not sure that is much better than teaching history by memorizing dates and reduces this from a scientific explanation to simply a historical explanation (basically Einstein is famous, like Michael Jordan is famous, but he's a famous scientist).

    General relativity is even more complex. The beauty behind the discovery of general relativity is that the math actually works out (which is no mean feat). One can always propose an elegant theory, but if it turns out to be inconsistent with the math, it is just an idea, not a theory. Hilbert and Einstein both worked furiously to work out the math ahead of the other, but it is generally acknowledged that the earlier works of Einstein were likely the insights that motivated the solutions discovered by both men.

    Everyone should be respected as an individual, but no one idolized. It is an irony of fate that I should have been showered with so much uncalled for and unmerited admiration and esteem. Perhaps this adulation springs from the unfulfilled wish of the multitude to comprehend the few ideas which I, with my weak powers, have advanced. -Einstein

  25. He doesn't have an interest... by kenh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Afterwards I thought: this might be a nice question to ask on Slashdot; how would I continue this discussion to explain it to him further? Of course, with the goal of further feeding his interest in physics.

    He hasn't shown an interest in physics, he's shown an interest in a famous name he's heard (likely) repeatedly.

    You should learn not to read too much into everything a 9 year-old says.

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  26. Re:Start with the definitively understood stuff by kenh · · Score: 1

    - He is coupled with atomic energy (and atomic bomb) research.

    He wrote a letter to FDR that inspired the Manhattan Project, suggesting that the US beat the Germans to the first functioning atom bomb.

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  27. Wrong answer by turbidostato · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By your own account, your son is not asking you about relativity: he is asking why Einstein is so famous (and he is 9 year old).

    The proper answer is, then, because he ranked to the top of his field, just like (put here whatever TV competition he is fan of, Disney young singers or whatever). When you get to the top of your field, you get famous. Full stop.

    Now, if you really want to introduce him into Einstein's, I can tell how I introduced myself, but I was eleven or twelve back then, which I think makes the situation a world apart.

    I happened to start thinking about the relativity principle, the original one, Galileo's (no memory of how I stumbled onto it, though) and felt fascinated by the old man in his ship, trying to decide from within his cabin if the ship was moving or not. From there I moved to the "known fact" that nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can go faster than light in a vacuum (you can disgress a bit here talking about Mach's aether and Michelson-Morley experiment if you want to), and how would the world look like if that were true (I probably had read some of the old mental experiments about trains and watches coming and going, but I've forgotten when or where, probably because all this became obscured on my memory by my read, years later, of both Russell's 'ABC of Relativity' and Einstein's 'The meaning of Relativity' -*you* should read them and you would probably wouldn't be asking this question.

    Once I got satisfied about special, I moved to the general starting also on"known" facts (taken by me as granted, back then): energy and mass are somehow equivalent (E=m*c^2) and gravity and acceleration look very much the same but can they in fact be set appart? (hint: gravitity looks "spherical" from the perspective of an observer under a heavy field). Oh, another interesting fact: there can also be black holes under newtonian physics, as long as C stands constant and nothing can run faster than light (in a vacuum -oh! and why does light runs faster in a vacuum than through transparent matter? does something can go faster than light -on said matter? Mr Cerenkov left a message).

    The fact is, that though you cannot *demonstrate* Einstein's Special or General theories of Relativity without advanced maths (you can't demonstrate Newton's either), you can *exhibit* them on a credible manner, specially the special one (pun intended), on a two dimensional field, just using basic geometry, so a child can have a grasp of them.

    1. Re:Wrong answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or do as my dad did when I asked him about Einstein and the theory of relativity at the same age (middle of the Cold War at that time - I only knew it had something to do with nukes and "ee equals emm see squared" somehow related matter and energy). He said it is a theory that only a handful of people really understand. From that point forward I was determined to understand it. Still working on becoming fluent - I'm an engineer, not a physicist, so it takes a while to become skilled at classical mechanics.

    2. Re:Wrong answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      From there I moved to the "known fact" that nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can go faster than light in a vacuum

      Absolutely, your statement is false. You got it wrong, and I don't know why everyone seems to get this wrong, but your statement is false. What is known is that nothing can travel as fast as light in a vacuum. Nothing in Special nor General Relativity forbids traveling faster than light in a vacuum. The prohibition is matching the speed of light, because mass increases as you approach the speed of light, and infinite energy would be required to travel as fast as light. Exceeding the speed of light is not forbidden by any of Einstein's Theories.

    3. Re:Wrong answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Perhaps say that science is about figuring out how the universe works in greater and greater detail, like peeling an onion.

      You never know if you are at the last layer.

      At a time when science though they were done, Einstein found more layers.
      This opened multiple new things to puzel over.
      Including a move from chemical to nuclear reactions which is why e=mc**2 is important.
      Including quantum mechanics which help understand things small like computer chips and way more.
      And relativity which gives us an understanding of things big like the universe as a whole.

      He really caused a big jump in our understanding of things.
      Then try something more concrete like dropping an apple, a simple chemical reaction, or bernulie demo.

    4. Re:Wrong answer by t14m4t · · Score: 1

      Concur. The question is "why is Einstein famous." The adult answer is that he was an inflection point in scientific progression, more than most other really famous scientists; the adolescent answer is that he single-handedly changed science.

      Basically:
      1. Aristotle invented science.
      2. Newton called shenanigans on Aristotle's work, and invented both correct science and the math to support it.
      3. Einstein changed the gears of the scientific community in ways we're still trying to figure out the details of. Einstein demonstrated that Newton was only correct in special cases (that happen to be our everyday experience), and that the Universe is really really weird once you get outside the special cases.

      weylin

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    5. Re:Wrong answer by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "But it's not clear to me that Einstein is famous because of his science, per se."

      No, of course Einstein hasn't become a popular icon *only* because of his science.

      "There are plenty of other people who were/are arguably better scientists."

      Fame *never* has to do with how good one is at something alone. Even within the technical real (science, in this case) is not about how good but about how much impact, and Einstein's impact is tremendous: for one, he dwarved Newton's work, no less; but he also showed direct proof of brownian movement, he opened the door for quantum mechanics with his study on black body radiation, he was critical on A-bomb development, etc. Much of his work not only impacted the scientific community but inspired the layman too offering a new view of the Universe; he was also involved in politics *and* he was a bit weird looking (our mental image of a "scientist" today is basically "Einstein").

      "Einstein was closely associated with the atomic bomb (E=mc^2) - which was a very big deal at that time. And Einstein was also Jewish at a time when Jewish people had just been persecuted with an unprecedented intensity"

      That may help explaining his status today, but let's not forget that he was already basically a "rock start" back in the twenties and thirties (and he got his Nobel in 1921), long before A-bomb and Jewish issues.

      An anecdote (since I'm Spanish): Einstein traveled to Madrid in 1923 (you see, 1923!); his visit made in all newspapers, he was received by the Spanish king and it's said that a roasted chesnuts street seller (a poor, probably analphabet woman) recognized him and exclaim "Hail the automobile inventor!"

    6. Re:Wrong answer by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      I see you are in the mood of nitpicking, don't you?

      >> From there I moved to the "known fact" that nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can go faster than light in a vacuum
      >
      > Absolutely, your statement is false.

      So you know I didn't act that way? Because my statement is, please re-read "From there I moved to..." Your reading comprehension is not that great, is it? (see? I can nitpick too).

      And even taking the effort of understanding what you are talking about, didn't tell you nothing the fact that I put "known fact" between quotation marks?

      Now, going back to your assertions, it seems you read something but you didn't understand it enterily. Yes, there might be tachions, but still no mass can jump from speed A to speed B without acceleration, which in turn means that no mass can be moved from below speed of light to above speed of light (that's the meaning of "exceeding") without passing by speed of light -which no mass can do because it takes and infinite amount of energy. So, no, no-thing can go faster than light in vacuum.

      See? and that's even without needing to say that the negative result of the involved square root lacks physical meaning and can be dropped away, just like you do in any other acceleration problem, even on newtonian dynamics.

  28. This Book by WankerWeasel · · Score: 1

    I'd get them a copy of General Relativity For Babies. http://amzn.to/2Df5RKb I've also gotten my nephew Quantum Physics For Babies. The entire series is wonderful.

    1. Re:This Book by Polsar · · Score: 1

      I've found this series really excellent and both my 3 year old daughter and 8 year old nephew really enjoys it. I love hearing my daughter say "This Ball has Mass, Mass warps space!"

      I'd get them a copy of General Relativity For Babies.

      http://amzn.to/2Df5RKb

      I've also gotten my nephew Quantum Physics For Babies. The entire series is wonderful.

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  29. Soccer ball on a bedsheet by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    The earth pulls at you because it has a lot of mass. But how can the earth influence your body, pull your feet to the ground, without actually touching you? Why is it that one thing (the earth) can influence something else (you) without actually being connected?

    A famous analogy is a ball of modest mass (such as a soccer ball) held up by a stretched bedsheet, held firmly at both corners. The soccer ball dimples the bedsheet and induces a curvature around it. If you were to drop a smaller ball (such as a ball bearing) on the bedsheet, it would roll towards the soccer ball even though they don't touch each other. You could even get the smaller ball to "orbit" the larger one if you gave it just the right velocity in the right direction.

    The bedsheet is like spacetime: the presence of mass causes it to curve in such a way that other masses in its vicinity tend to be drawn towards them. I think that may be as far as you want to go with a 9-year-old without looking up lessons on the internet.

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    1. Re:Soccer ball on a bedsheet by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      held firmly at both corners

      Duh, at all four corners. Sorry.

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    2. Re:Soccer ball on a bedsheet by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "...You could even get the smaller ball to "orbit" the larger one if you gave it just the right velocity in the right direction."

      Oh, but the little ball *always* end up going towards the big one, but I read the Moon is getting further from Earth with time, not nearer.

      And where do the Earth and the Moon rest upon? I can't see any stretched bedsheet beneath them -or are they elephants, all the way down?

      And what the hell has all this to do with Einstein? I thought Newton settled all that!

  30. C = Genius by thestuckmud · · Score: 2

    Explain that Einstein grew up in a time when physicists were looking for the materiel makeup of the universe, referred to as "ether", but they had so far failed to provide an explanation. Famously, the Michelsonâ"Morley experiment showed no changes in the speed of light moving in different directions, which makes no sense if Earth is moving through the ether.

    Einstein had the brilliance and audacity to reject common sense models of the universe and ask what would it be like if the speed of light really is constant: That the photons leaving a headlight on a moving train move at the same rate whether we measure them standing on the train or on a platform at the train station. From there, using wonderful "thought experiments," relativity was born.

    Next, you can introduce concepts like red/blue (doppler) shift, time dilation, and the effect acceleration has on changing otherwise invariant properties of physics (special relativity).

    I think it is informative to explain the awesome scope and mathematical complexity of general relativity, which re-imagined the universe as a four dimensional space-time whole. That even Einstein had welcome help with the mathematics. That today's physicists have yet to resolve this apparently correct theory of the large with quantum mechanics, the physics of the very small. And that black hole, which were only things of science fiction when I was a kid, offer the best promise of tying these together of anything in the cosmos.

    1. Re:C = Genius by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 2

      Morley continued the experiments after the famous one you're referring to and found proof of a dynamic aether. They couldn't detect the aether in the famous Michelson-Morley experiment because the experiment was only designed to detect a static aether. Aether moves with matter, and likely causes inertia, it doesn't just act as some thing we are experiencing drag from (think trying to measure the wind while you're a feather being blown around by it and only able to "see" a few micrometers from the surface of the feather, you won't detect shit because it's moving with you.)

    2. Re:C = Genius by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Einstein had the brilliance and audacity to reject common sense models of the universe and ask what would it be like if the speed of light really is constant

      A constant speed of light was proven over a decade before Einstein published. What he did was figure out how to reconcile that with other physics equations by dilating time and space to maintain the consistent equations.

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    3. Re:C = Genius by thestuckmud · · Score: 1

      My first thought on reading your post defending ether (aka aether) was "don't feed the trolls". The fact that observers moving at different velocities observe the same beam of light traveling at the same velocity (C) easily disproves classical notions of ether, dynamic or otherwise. In order to be consistent, your dynamic aether will have to obey exactly the space-timer warping properties of general relativity and thus cannont be detected or falsified.

      However, your comment raises a crucial point about physics: We have no freaking clue what truly underlies the universe. String theorists suggest we are holographically encoded on a brane a higher dimensional space. But not only do these proposed models seem more ridiculous that luminous aether, they are incomplete and untestable. The standard model is accurate and predictive, but also arbitrary - hinting that there must be something more fundamental. Neither explains gravity/relativity. Physics is still (or again) waiting for someone to find new unifying principles. And that is certainly something I would explain to a young scientist to be.

    4. Re:C = Genius by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      My first thought on reading your post defending ether (aka aether) was "don't feed the trolls". The fact that observers moving at different velocities observe the same beam of light traveling at the same velocity (C) easily disproves classical notions of ether, dynamic or otherwise. In order to be consistent, your dynamic aether will have to obey exactly the space-timer warping properties of general relativity and thus cannont be detected or falsified.

      It was detected, you can induce motion in the aether and detect that. You still however have the issue that light isn't a thing in aether theory, it's a wave. E.g. there is no particle nature to light because it is an induction (but in the realm of the uncertainty principle you have a lot of waves creating a point object which in turn makes momentum unpredictable in relation to location at any fixed point in time.) In Morley's follow-on experiment he detected the aether by inducing motion with moving matter (much like an optical gyroscope, in fact it results in a different description for the same underlying effect when speaking of optical gyroscopes.) Think of it like sound waves: the speed of sound is fixed, that's why you get doppler shift. The speed of sound if fixed because of the properties of the medium sound propagates in, sound isn't a thing in itself but an inductive effect of the air or liquid or solid or plasma mediums described. Similarly light is an inductive effect of the aether, that's all aether theory says. The specific properties of the aether which make that possible are largely unexplored, but we know from Morely's follow-on experiment that the aether isn't static, it moves dynamically and in sync with matter (which seems to suggest there is a strong correlation between the properties and/or motion of the aether and of the matter we observe.)

      However, your comment raises a crucial point about physics: We have no freaking clue what truly underlies the universe. String theorists suggest we are holographically encoded on a brane a higher dimensional space. But not only do these proposed models seem more ridiculous that luminous aether, they are incomplete and untestable. The standard model is accurate and predictive, but also arbitrary - hinting that there must be something more fundamental. Neither explains gravity/relativity. Physics is still (or again) waiting for someone to find new unifying principles. And that is certainly something I would explain to a young scientist to be.

      Honestly, I believe we already have those "new" and unifying principles, but they got relegated to the realms of conspiracy and quackery because a few people decided the masses weren't ready for that much power in conjunction with a few other people deciding they could control it and gain power in the process (see the Copenhagen convention photo - everyone in the group photo looks disturbed, some with a look of guilt and others with a more devious look - they knew what they were doing.) The new unifying principles will be getting to the root of inertia as more than some intrinsic property of matter, the root of space as the underlying math (e.g. Pi is only Pi because of the ratio of a circle and the diameter of that circle, but more profoundly Pi is the infinite series (4/1)-(4/3)+(4/5)-(4/7)+(4/9)-(4/11)... - this itself looks a Hell of a lot like a mutual self-inductive effect or perhaps two counter-inductive effects - which seems to say something major about space, specifically that Euclidean space as we know it isn't just some arbitrary configuration but is the only thing geometrically possible to quantify these effects over [disregarding Minkowski spaces and such because they're really just convoluted Euclidean forms with some extra dimensions thrown in.]) Add in the fact that it has been proven a knot can only be tied in three dimensions (e.g. 1D-2D and you can at most make a spiral or loop, >3D and the knot can be untied without letting go of the ends) and you can start to s

    5. Re:C = Genius by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      The beam of light has the same speed... but not necessarily the same velocity.

      It doesn't even have the same speed. If it did you would see scattering instead of just diffraction when white light entered a prism or any other thing which retards the propagation rate. It's an inductive effect, not a thing in itself - that's why light seems to slow down in some materials like prisms (or in the extreme cases of BECs) without scattering. If it always had the same speed it wouldn't be able to be slowed down save for group velocity effects (all of which would cause scattering.)

  31. How to explain to a child? Ask another child. by Shane+McEwan · · Score: 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnJuKXhFaQ8

  32. Speed Of Light by Zorro · · Score: 1

    Universes Speed Limit, do not exceed.

  33. Start with a centrifuge, continue with yourube by shoor · · Score: 1

    For General relativity anyway. It always bothered me when I was thinking about gravity that it was supposed to be 'acceleration' and acceleration always seemed to imply speeding something up, giving it energy. Then I remembered that a centrifuge has a gravity like force but it doesn't expend energy.

    The other thing, browse youtube videos together with your son, see which ones seem to work for him, maybe with some explanation from you.

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  34. Sagan by JBMcB · · Score: 2

    Outsource it to Carl Sagan:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  35. as a confused failed theory with flawed math. by danda · · Score: 1
  36. Einstein Disagrees by BlazeMiskulin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.""
    -- Albert Einstein

    1. Re:Einstein Disagrees by raftpeople · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd like to see Einstein explain bitcoin to his grandma.

    2. Re:Einstein Disagrees by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      So how did Einstein simply explain his life's work?

    3. Re:Einstein Disagrees by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      So how did Einstein simply explain his life's work?

      Special and General Relativity, explained very clearly. Albert was a good writer, and could explain concepts intuitively. Hundreds of books have been written about relativity, but this book was one of the first, and still may be the best.

    4. Re: Einstein Disagrees by raftpeople · · Score: 1

      Grandm: "So the gold is in the computer? who put it there?"

    5. Re:Einstein Disagrees by divide+overflow · · Score: 1

      Please provide the source of your attribution...my preliminary search leads me to believe this quote is misattributed to Einstein.

    6. Re: Einstein Disagrees by kcelery · · Score: 1

      Except, there wasn't any computer for him to explain.
      Internet was army's biggest secret.
      Blockchain could only be handled by telegraph or pigeons. Either way .. you know.
      To dig up a Bitcoin by hand may be to only option.
      As a guy tried to ELI5 the hashing by hand. People joked about the Bitcoin might worth over a million dollars.

    7. Re:Einstein Disagrees by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd like to see Einstein explain bitcoin to his grandma.

      It's a tulip made of numbers! And my grandma loves tulips so she would be an early bitcoin adopter.

    8. Re:Einstein Disagrees by dhaen · · Score: 1

      "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."" -- Albert Einstein

      You mean like Feynman being asked to explain how magnetism works? https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Nothing becomes simple until the complex bases are understood.

    9. Re:Einstein Disagrees by Talderas · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly he used passing trains and got people to imagine a bicycle as if they could go faster.

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      "Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
    10. Re: Einstein Disagrees by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      It's only a matter of time before someone invents a pigeon coin based on RFC 1149

    11. Re:Einstein Disagrees by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      And since the copyrights have expired, you can download the text for free by googling the title with "pdf" behind it.

      This was indeed the first book I read that actually made me understand relativity. All the others, while trying to simplify things, ended up oversimplifying so even a twelve year old (which I was when I started reading about it) could find the contradictions.

      For example, from one of the "wrong" books: a spaceship is passed by a laser beam, we measure the speed of the light beam as c relative to us, so it's less than c relative to the spacecraft, but inside the ship they do measure c relative to themselves, therefore time is passing more slowly for them. To which my 12 year old brain immediately reacted with "what if they look at a different laser beam that's going the other way?"

      Einstein explained things properly but in a way I could still understand. All the pieces came together perfectly and I finally understood. And I wondered why nobody else could explain it that way.

  37. Just watch out for that A-hole Schrodinger... by Grog6 · · Score: 1

    He does terrible things to Cats!

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    Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
    1. Re:Just watch out for that A-hole Schrodinger... by chadenright · · Score: 1

      He may or may not have done terrible things to cats, you don't really know until you open the box.

    2. Re:Just watch out for that A-hole Schrodinger... by Grog6 · · Score: 1

      Stuffing a cat in a box is bad enough; but radioactives and Cyanide? C'mon! :)

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      Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
  38. Plagerism by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    Just start with Minkowski, Lorentz, Riemann, Gauss, and Mach. Start with their work and move on from there. Also maybe learn you're an idiot for trying to make your normal kid into a genius, people aren't equal, they are either smart enough to get there on their own by that age or they're normal (though if your genes played into it, the kid might be retarded.)

  39. But General Relativity is not necessarily true by cjonslashdot · · Score: 1

    Best to tell him that all we have is theories - but that we don't really know. For example, there have been many proposed alternatives to General Relativity. The most intriguing IMO is Erik Verlinde's. Note that the predictions of GR have been verified within long ranges and large masses (but not short ranges and small masses), but the interpretation of curved spacetime is not proven - it is just a mathematical construct that fits the observations. Also, Special Relativity postulates some things that are not proven - only the effects are proven. Even quantum mechanics postulates a foundational equation ("operator correspondence") that is just a guess that works. Bottom line: we don't really know. I strongly recommend the book Doubt and Certainty, by George Sudarshan and Tony Rothman - in that book you will see how little we really know. Tell you son that we have guesses that work, but don't know how the Universe is truly constructed.

  40. Another way of looking at it by rraylion · · Score: 1

    Einstein changed the way we looked at gravity. Because before we thought of it in a very 'Newtonian' way. That gravity simply pulls us and that works for simple examples. But Einstein's gravity is not like that at all. Einstein gave us gravity as a function of geometry, and if you google 'blackhole space curve' and look at the images you will understand. Gravity creates a hole and if you are near/close to it you fall in. The falling is gravity, it changes the vector for an object at rest in a given location based on the mass of nearby objects.The physical Earth is in the way of us falling to the core so we simply stand on it, but the pressure in the core of all the mass on earth trying to squeeze lower is huge. -- This may lead to other questions but those are trivial and left as a exercise to the reader. ;-)

  41. Annus mirabilis by langmick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would ask my nephew that when he was around that age, he starts at MIT next year at 16. I would explain to him that in one year, Albert Einstein changed the face of the world, and made all our lives better. He used his imagination to do it. He wasn't the best mathematician, in face, there were better ones hot on his heels, but he had the ability to imagine how little things work as well as the entire universe. He then set out to prove it. I think kids respond to encouraging their creativity with stories like Einstein's and how he built his ideas on other's ideas. Exposing them to Julius Sumner Miller, Brian Greene and Richard Feynman is also a lot of fun, because they had lots of fun with science. I enjoy talking to kids about science, and seeing their eyes light up. These videos are pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  42. relatively a rock star by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    ok so I'm having fun with the word... Maybe the situation of how he attained a "rock star" status. He presented new theories that got attention from all the best scientists around the world. Some of that will get into regular media. He promoted peace, he had that charm that attracted lots of ladies, his attitude was playful brilliance (didn't bother to have neat haircut and wear snooty suits like many other eggheads). Everyone recognizes the famous equation, much less understand what it means. I read someplace number of people that really know the General Theory of Relativity is about 20 (I assume these people can do the math and have intuitive feel for it).

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  43. lets ask the great one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Richard Feynman, the late Nobel Laureate in physics, was once asked by a Caltech faculty member to explain why spin one-half particles obey Fermi Dirac statistics. Rising to the challenge, he said, "I'll prepare a freshman lecture on it." But a few days later he told the faculty member, "You know, I couldn't do it. I couldn't reduce it to the freshman level. That means we really don't understand it."

  44. Don't, find someone better by shufflingb · · Score: 1

    So as a non-musician if I was trying to explain why a particular piece of music was brilliant would my first thoughts really be that the best thing I could do would be to attempt to sing or hum it to the unlucky victim? Similarly, as someone who is neither a physicist or educator should I really think that I might be the best person to explain Special Relativity and its consequences? Instead, might it not be a better approach to work through one or two existing high quality resources with them?

    I'm sure there are others, but in terms of a recommendation I found the Cox and Forshaw book "Why Does E=mc^2 (And Why Should We Care?)" https://www.goodreads.com/book... good. I also think it could possibly be something that a bright 9 yr old might enjoy reading and understanding with their dad.

  45. Re: Magic by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

    Which is why he needs to get interested soon before he notices the opposite sex.

    Eventually he'll figure out that the opposite sex is also indistinguishable from magic.

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  46. I Tried Explaining Simultaneity to a Millenial by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    Was literally a case where he had to be forced to unlearn what he knew that was wrong. It was funny in many ways I had trotted out animations showing reference frames shifting but he was thoroughly stuck on a Newtonian space time but could accept time dilation without realizing it's just another dimension.

    Probably would have had an easier time with a 9 year old. If they could grasp the concept of the Lorenz Transformation the rest follows easily.

  47. Automate parenting by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    "Hey kid, here's Google..."

  48. TV/Movies to the rescue by wonkavader · · Score: 1

    Watch the old Carl Sagan Cosmos episodes together.

    And you could 1985 "Insignificance." https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    But watch that on your own, for pointers.

  49. Mercury by bidule · · Score: 1

    Show him the failure point of Newton.

    Tell him about Mars, Venus, Jupiter and how they follow orbital mechanics. Tell him how by noticing small errors in movement they were able to find Neptune (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune#Discovery). Tell him they noticed the same thing for Mercury but couldn't find any new planet to explain it. Tell him why: Mercury is so close to the Sun that time slows down.

    Then, tell him about GPS and how those very precise clocks are faster than the ones on Earth. Without Einstein, we couldn't have a GPS.

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  50. without actually touching you by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    I think it's a fair thing to say that nothing can interact with another thing without "touching" it. I think that's the very point -- just because you don't see it, nor feel it, doesn't mean that there isn't some mechanism of contact.

    "How things are connected" is easy when it's strings and cups -- indeed, the traditional string-and-cups telephone is easily experienced, understood, and built by a five-year old.

    But "how things are connected" when the cups are you and a planet, and the string is invisible and you can walk through it, now that's a mighty different game. That said, the players are the same. Bigger cups, thinner strings.

    So that's the space where I'd describe most famous physicists living. Things interact because they are connected. That's the easy part. But it's about how those things are connected. That's often the very spooky part!

    The thing is that it's not just a physics thing. Every problem-solving professional lives in a solution space that's all about how things are connected. Plumbing is all about interactive connections. So is network programming. So is telecom, and social conversation.

    You and I are connected right now, through a highly latent, very long distance, overly abstracted connection. And yet, as far apart as we are, my finger touches a plastic key, that ultimately touches a contact which in turn touches (and diverts) an electron that ultimately produces a relay-race of electrons that reach the lightbulb in your monitor, that propels a photon directly into your eye.

    It's really cool that my fingertip is capable of shoving a photon into your eyeball. It's certainly the result of a great many connections -- but each one of them is definitely direct contact.

    (you're going to give me the poetic licence to say that waves (radio, compression, sound, et cetera) are the result of contact at the particle or molecular level)

    And so, I'm going to further say that electromagnetism, and quantum entanglement, and other spooky actions at distances are also the result of contact, simply contact that we've not yet discerned. Perhaps we're back to strings? Maybe they're looped?

  51. Gravity by Vrallis · · Score: 1

    I'd consider just covering more detail of gravity. If you can get some volunteers to stretch out a bedsheet and place some balls of varying masses on it, then roll smaller balls around them that may help 'set the stage' for future concepts. I'd cover the Einstein aspect by just saying he figured out a lot of *how* gravity works and its effects. Give it a couple years to get into special relativity and such.

    If they are interested in games, get them to try out Kerbal. Great way to really get to understand how gravity 'works' in relation to space travel.

  52. I was 8 or 9 or so when I learned about Relativity by flajann4415 · · Score: 1

    Not even sure the exact age, but quite early on. I used to play a lot with the Lorentz equations, seeing how much my mass would increase the closer I got to the speed of light, or how thin I would appear, etc. It was great fun. And I've explained Relativity to my own kids at younger ages. Maybe I didn't get into the math behind it as much, but, you know, many feed their kids all of these fantastic fairy tales, when actual reality itself can and is more bizarre than any fairy tale -- and actually is reality, after all.

  53. Start with something easier.... by peterofoz · · Score: 1

    like the eternal mysteries of how coat hangers multiply in the closet and why socks always disappear in the dryer.

  54. Missing that Einstein was the last by nevermindme · · Score: 1

    Talking to people who actually met the man I got the image Einstein is not only great because of theoretical mind, communication skills or persona with the press. He shared and encouraged others to go far beyond his discoveries with every conversation, every letter, and every coauthorship.

    Most people seem to be missing the major point, Einstein was the last of the classical physics school and the first of the quantum school. In modern sports terms, he changed the game and set the precedent for being brilliant and scientifically open in the modern world. And when I say game, I mean every one of physical sciences of the 20th century has a tie back to one of his two papers.

    General Relativity is the end point of classical physics, it was due about the time Albert published. General relativity was the endpoint of the enlightenment, inevitable conclusion involving scalars, Maxwells Equations, newtons calculus, and gauge theory.

    Near nothing in classical physics describes accurately the photoelectric effect on the photon hitting a conductive surface knocking off one or more free electrons in units or quants of energies. Expermentalists had led the way, Einstein seemly described the theory effortlessly. In the years from first publication of photoelectric effect to shell states an atom, describing the geometry of chemistry, was mature in less than 15 years.

    Both papers were backed up by solid observation within 15 years so by his late 40s had two games changer papers very few theoretical misses in the meantime with his other endeavors. He immigrated to the US at the time basic science became the basis of a nation becoming a superpower.

    Not many people get to participate in the end of the road of the basis for classical physics, and the starting of quantum physics. Einstein was one of the primary figures of both, did it out of obscurity while underemployed and published both papers, provided a credible defense of both in less than 5 months in 1905. Then most of all was open and giving in the support who took the quantum out of his hands and moved it far forward of Einstein's abilities.

    In the era of 1930-1949 he supported fully, through support filled letters and editing, suggestions people who eclipsed his mathematical and theoretical acumen for publication. There were many personalities in the same time period that were quite diffrent from that.

  55. Read them a book by jemmyw · · Score: 1

    Specifically this one: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1567832.The_Time_and_Space_of_Uncle_Albert

  56. Gauge bosons by TheSync · · Score: 1

    To understand how forces act as a distance, you have to understand gauge bosons (aka exchange particles). The Standard Model of Physics defines these for the electromagnetic interaction, the weak interaction, and the strong interaction. It is highly believed that there are gauge bosons of gravity as well (called gravitons) but this has not been proven yet.

    Elementary particles interact with each other by the exchange of gauge bosons, usually as virtual particles.

    For more info see this web page and for tons of detail see this video.

    The first gauge boson theory, quantum electrodynamics for the electromagnetic field, was the work of Dirac in 1927. It did use some work by Bose and Einstein on the statistics of photons though.

  57. It might actually be eaiser by Phil+Karn · · Score: 1

    I don't think it would be as hard as you might think PROVIDED you really understood it yourself. Of course, this applies to anything you wish to teach to anyone.

    The problem with relativity is that it is so counter intuitive to everyday experience and to the classical physics you've been taught that you have to unlearn much of it first. That may make it easier for younger people to understand -- they don't have as much to overcome as they would later.

    Like most EEs, I was taught classical electromagnetism, first in high school, then in lower level undergraduate physics, and finally in much more detail in junior level EE school classes. We were also taught relativity, but as a separate topic within physics. Had I been taught relativity first, and then been taught electromagnetism in the relativistic way I think it would have actually have been easier and more satisfying. I would have learned that there really isn't such a thing as "magnetism"; what we see as magnetism is really just the electrostatic force as affected by special relativity (and some quantum mechanics). I would have readily understood why there are no magnetic monopoles, for example. And it would have shown me how every field in physics is related to every other, in fact that there really is only one "physics".

  58. use Einstein's description by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

    Of course you should teach kids stuff like this; it's 100 year old science. At some point kids need to be learning these concepts or the weight of science that needs to be learned as an adult will be too large.

    I would start with a small adaptation of the description that Einstein uses to describe relativity to non-scientists:

    When you're in a car, and you speed up, what do you feel? What do you feel when it stops? Imagine you're in a car (or roller coaster, or rocket ship) that is always speeding up really, really strongly, all the time. You could speed up so much that the back of the car (roller coaster, rocket ship) feels just like the ground. You could even stand up like it was the floor. Einstein is famous for figuring out that if that happens, the back of the car really is just like the ground. People used to think it was just a trick or a coincidence, but it turns out there's no difference, actually. That changed a lot of what people thought about science.

    If the kid understands that, give them a good translation of Einstein's book to read.

  59. Juggalos by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    First play him some insane clown posse and then get a couple of long wires and show him how a magnet works.

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    Nullius in verba
  60. fake news by bugs2squash · · Score: 4, Funny

    I once read an account of a thought experiment where there are a line of cows side by side with their noses all touching a long, straight fence. The farmer attaches an electric fence shocker to one end of the fence and it makes all the cows jump as they feel the shock.

    The farmer sees the cows jump one after the other as the electricity reaches each nose

    But to a visitor from a nearby city, who happens to be standing at the other end of the fence at the time, the cows all seem to jump up in unison, since the light bringing the image of the far cow arrives at the same time as the electricity arrives to shock the nearest cow.

    When the farmer and the passerby meet they find they have different first hand accounts of the same events, proving to the farmer that city folk are ignorant of country ways, and proving to the city slicker that country folk tell tall stories

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    Nullius in verba
  61. As a father of 5 by FeelGood314 · · Score: 1

    I've had my kids watch the TV shows Eureka https://www.youtube.com/watch?... before they were 9. So my kids already new what force, energy and mass were. It makes having these discussions much easier.

    E=mc^2 makes sense if they know what energy is and they understand the units

    relativity needs a lot of math to explain properly but I think I did a better job with my youngest son. The speed of light is actually the speed of causality. Every observer sees this speed the same even if they are moving relative to each other. I then give the example of a rocket trying to travel to the nearest star. The star is 4 light years away. The first ship takes 6 years to get there. We build a second ship that goes twice as fast. To the observer on earth the ship takes just over 4 years to get there. The person in the ship though gets there in 3 years according to his watch. However the person in the ship has a meter stick and he measures the distance and discovers it wasn't 4 light years, it was a little less than 3 light years. So his measured speed was still less than the speed of light because relative to him the distance decreased.

  62. Lets do the time warp again! by TiggertheMad · · Score: 2

    Read him: Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions. Its an old novella that got rediscovered when Al was becoming famous, because it had a 2d dimensional characters that discover a 3d world, and many of the ideas also could be extended to thinking about being a 3d entity living in 4th dimensional space-time.

    He can wait until 4th grade before you show him the field equations and teach him PDEs....

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  63. Comparing to a magnet by Flu · · Score: 1

    When my daughter was asking how people could stand on the "downside" of the earth, I compared the earth and stuff to magnets. The larger the objects, the stronger magnet. We never got into energy, but I would compare energy to velocity: Throwing a piece of pebble at someone hurts. The harder (=faster) it's thrown, the more it hurts. But the same goes if the pebble is changed to a larger stone. That would hurt just as much even if it's thrown at a lower velocity. The same goes if you accidentally drop it on your toes.

    Not entirely correct, but then again - the laws of Newton aren't either.

    In terms of relativity, the experiment about dropping a ball inside a train (or bus) is quite easy to understand - inside the train the distance the ball falls, is equal to the height of which it is dropped. But for a viewer outside, the apparent distance is longer - the hypotenuse of a triangle. It might even be possible to show using a car.

  64. Re:Bowling ball on a rubber sheet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Oh in that case you should teach who actually came up with e=mc2 first:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  65. Relativity in Four Letter Words (or less) by Esekla · · Score: 1

    An oldy but a goody!

    Your child may not get everything right away, but that's probably less important than the examples of thought experiments, and the honest effort to provide some explanation in simple terms. Often when things make an impression that way, children remember and wind up understanding years later.

  66. The Day After Tomorrow - Into Infinity by LinuxNeverWindows · · Score: 1

    The Day After Tomorrow - Into Infinity (www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF6YBU0bqR4) is good fun and has good science in it although the end bit is nonsense! Brian Blessed and Nick Tate (Space 1999's Alan Carter) are in it as well.

  67. He was one woke dude by Subm · · Score: 1

    To a nine-year-old I'd say he was the most woke dude of his time. Only instead of woke, he was brilliant, which people valued back then.

    He wrote tracks nobody expected that got the most upvotes. Only instead of tracks, they were scientific papers and instead of upvotes they were experimental confirmations.

    He withstood persecution from neo-Nazis who spoke against him at marches with tiki torches. Only instead of neo-Nazis, they were actual Nazis and instead of tiki torches, they had panzer divisions and a Luftwaffe.

    And because people hadn't yet invented hashtags and blue hair dye, people didn't yet organize to realize his achievements were due to his white male privilege.

  68. Books by MagicM · · Score: 1

    I would get "Who Was Albert Einstein?" by Jess Brallier from the library and give it to them. The whole "Who Was" series is great, as is the "What Is/What Was" series.

  69. Netflix by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

    Get him a Netflix subscription and put Cosmos on.

  70. A User's Guide to the Universe by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

    A User's Guide to the Universe by Dave Goldberg and Jeff Blomquist is a great high-level introduction to a lot of this stuff, with weird but relatable examples included, and covers a lot of interconnected topics.

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  71. Re:Because he changed human.... by Cederic · · Score: 1

    Yeah, maybe I'm underestimating nine year olds but I'd go for something like:

    Einstein is famous because he was bloody intelligent, did a lot of thinking about stuff nobody had thought about before, and shared his thoughts with people. They found this useful, thanked him for it and invited him to lots of parties.

  72. Go For It! by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

    Nine-year-olds can be smarter than you think. Just keep him interested with simple things that are imaginable and relateable, either to the real world or TV/movies. First, light travels with a constant speed. How do we know? When NASA spoke to the men on the moon, it took half a second for the radio waves to get there. When NASA radios satellites around Mars, it can take 5 to 10 minutes. And Voyager 2 is way, way out there. It takes almost a day for a command to get to Voyager just to find out if it's still working (it is).

    Einstein's thought-experiment with the train near the speed of light and the two mirrors and the simultaneous lightning strike is a little complicated. Skip that for now. Just tell him the reason Star Trek has warp speed and Star Wars has hyperspace is because we all know, under normal circumstances, you can't go faster than the speed of light.

    Next, gravitation. What's cool? Einstein figured out that gravity bends light. How do we know? Mercury. Draw your kid some circles around the sun with Earth and Mercury, tell him that when Mercury gets close to the sun it appears in the wrong place in the sky. Einstein predicted, correctly, that the light from Mercury is bent when it passes close to the sun. When did he prove it? During a solar eclipse, when we could actually see Mercury when it's real close to the sun, Mercury's little dot was right where Einstein said it should be, not where it would be if its light went in a straight line.

    If he's impressed and still interested, equivalence. Acceleration, gravity, same. Ever ridden in an elevator, little man? You like roller-coasters, right? Same thing as gravity. If you're riding in a space-ship that's accelerating at 32 ft/s*s, then it feels exactly like standing on the earth. Now, if that space-ship is going really, really fast, like close to the speed of light, and there's a window in the side of the spaceship where light is shining in (draw a picture!), by the time that light hits the opposite side wall of your spaceship, the accelerating spaceship has moved a little out of the way and the light shines a little below the opposite window. Draw a line: light is CURVING because your spaceship is accelerating so fast.

    Well, if acceleration and gravity are the same, Einstein figured a whole lot of gravity should make light curve. Then came the solar eclipse, and Mercury was right where Einstein said it should be, it's light curving around the sun. Neat, huh?

    If he's still with you, thank your stars you got a bright, imaginative little kid. Move on to Black Holes, gravity so powerful light can't escape. Cooooool. So long as you can keep tying the theories to stuff your kid can relate to, either in the real world or the movies, you got a chance. Run it as far as it's worth, he might catch the bug.

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    1. Re:Go For It! by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      First, light travels with a constant speed. How do we know? When NASA spoke to the men on the moon, it took half a second for the radio waves to get there. When NASA radios satellites around Mars, it can take 5 to 10 minutes. And Voyager 2 is way, way out there. It takes almost a day for a command to get to Voyager just to find out if it's still working (it is).

      Yes light travels at a constant speed, but I don't get how your examples demonstrate that. Or were you trying to explain something different from "no matter how fast you travel, light always appears to be going 300,000 km/s"?

      The examples are meant to show that light travels at a measurable, finite speed, rather than being infinitely fast as it appears to the naked eye on Earth. To a nine-year-old, the idea that the light from a distant lighthouse takes a tiny bit of time to reach his eye might be pretty profound, or that it takes whole minutes for the sun's light to reach the Earth each morning, or that even the brightest stars in the sky might not actually be there right now this instant, cause the change in their light won't reach us for years... to a nine-year-old, that's wacky enough.

      The advanced implications of a finite speed of light, ultimately leading to special relativity, that can be put off til the child is a little older. Again, Einstein's thought experiment with the train and the lightning bolts is difficult to explain even under the best of circumstances. "no matter how fast you travel, light always appears to be going 300,000 km/s"? Leave that for another day.

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  73. As smart as Newton? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    If it was possible to explain Einstein's theory of relativity to a nine year old it would mean that Einstein was only as smart as a nine year old, which, obviously is not correct.

    That's great news for anyone who does understand relativity because it means that we are all as smart as Einstein! Sadly though it is generally accepted that the 'genius' comes in figuring something out for the first time, not in being able to understand the idea once someone has figured it out. Lots of people understand Newtonian mechanics but I doubt anyone living today is as smart as Newton was.

    In fact the reverse is probably true: the easier the idea is to explain the smarter the person who came up with the idea is generally perceived to be. It's a lot more impressive to come up with a new, simple idea in an area that lots of people have thought about before than it is to come up with one in a highly specialized, esoteric area where you may be the first person to ever really think about that thing.

  74. Magnets by RoloDMonkey · · Score: 1

    Also, magnets: Show how a magnet can pull something without touching it.

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  75. Relativity explained to kids by crazyfrenchmen · · Score: 1

    What is so incredible about Einstein finding is not E=MC2, it's the concept of relativity. It basically say that the truth change depending on the point of observation. So two different person with two different point of view could both be right. A person traveling at the speed of light will experience time diffrently from someone on earth... at the same time. From there, you can teach your kid that if someone disagree with them, they could both be right.

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  76. Heinlein's "Time for the Stars" by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    One of his short novels in the juvenile class. I read this to my then 7 year old daughter. She was tickled pink regarding the concept of time and space and speed. And how one sibling could stay on earth and age while the other one would remain young.

    We then watched Interstellar, which was a bit harder to process but showed the similar affect with regards to a black hole.

    Obviously this just skims the surface, but it did help her conceptualize the ideas.

  77. It's the hair. by Macdude · · Score: 1

    I would have just gone with "It's the hair".

    Perhaps it's a good thing I don't have kids...

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    "Grab them by the pussy" -- President of the United States of America
  78. Try this... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Mass displaces Space. Space (spacetime) curves around that Mass.
    That displaced Space creates a vacuum where the Mass actually exists.
    That vacuum is Gravity.

    Sort-of...

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    Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.
  79. With short words, obviously by almitydave · · Score: 1

    Einstein's theory of relativity explained in words of four letters or fewer:
    http://www.muppetlabs.com/~bre...

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    my, your, his/her/its, our, your, their
    I'm, you're, he's/she's/it's, we're, you're, they're