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Half-Assed Solar Geoengineering Is Worse Than Climate Change Itself (vice.com)
New submitter beccaf writes: Ecologists and climate scientists investigated the consequences of rapid initiation of solar geoengineering (pumping sulfuric aerosols into the atmosphere) in 2020 and then rapid termination of this solar geoengineering fifty years later. It provides only short-term benefits to biodiversity, and, if stopped abruptly, temperatures will soar faster than they would with climate change alone and the consequences to all living things will be even worse than if humans had never interfered in Earth's natural processes at all. The study has been published in the journal Nature Ecology & Evolution. Rebecca Flowers via Motherboard summarizes the effects of solar geoengineering, according to research conducted by Christopher Trisos, an ecologist at the National Socio-Environmental Synthesis Center, and his colleagues: "Initially, organisms stop having to change habitats in response to rising temperatures. Highly mobile species that had already moved, like migratory birds, might return to their original ecosystems, and species that were too slow to move before, like corals, have a higher chance of survival than they did before the geoengineering project began. After mere decades, though, living things in highly biodiverse areas like the Amazon Basin have to start moving again, as much as they would have to in a non-geoengineering scenario."
"Suddenly, it's 2070," Flowers continues. "Governments begin to disagree on how to handle climate change, and, besides, they can no longer afford to pump aerosols into the atmosphere. As a result, we stop pumping aerosols into the atmosphere. Then things really go to hell. The amount of warming that would have happened without geoengineering over fifty years is essentially squished into a decade..."
"Suddenly, it's 2070," Flowers continues. "Governments begin to disagree on how to handle climate change, and, besides, they can no longer afford to pump aerosols into the atmosphere. As a result, we stop pumping aerosols into the atmosphere. Then things really go to hell. The amount of warming that would have happened without geoengineering over fifty years is essentially squished into a decade..."
"Ecologists and climate scientists investigated the consequences of rapid initiation of solar geoengineering (pumping sulfuric aerosols into the atmosphere) in 2020..."
No they didn't.
(vice.com) at the end of the headline.
Nahhhhhhhhh, of course not!
Does Vice have any relation to cracked.com, or did they at some point?
Centuries ?, not happening.
Profanity in the headlines now? Really?
Yeah, the disease-ridden rats from Digg swam in the sewage of the Internet for a few years before finding an open drain in the bottom of the Slashdot HQ. They quickly poured in, infecting the old staff until they had to leave. Slashdot is now run by mutant rats on the run from a gang of four mutant turtles that persistently raided their rat colonies in territorial attacks.
This is cane toads. The best intentions and not enough information make a destructive combination.
Don't think so. That sounded like a good question, so I looked it up. Here's a Vice link where Vice goes after Cracked.
History of Vice
History of Cracked
They're equally clickbaity and empty, but I don't think there is any real relation.
If you do something badly, then undo it badly, you have a bad result!
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Thus I propose that a swarm of satellites be put into GSO, equipped with ultrasound emitters, to create bubbles in the Earth's oceans thus increasing their albedo. Problem solved.
What do you mean sound doesn't travel through Space?!
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
Launch about 10 million square km worth of aluminum foil into mid-earth orbit. The foil will be small, one-square-foot pieces that can move about freely. At any instant, some will be facing into the sun and blocking out light, while others are facing the sun edge-on and letting light through. Together, they will permanently block out 1% of the sun and reduce surface temperatures to a manageable level.
Yes, it'll be expensive, but it might not be so bad compared to the cost of ending all CO2 production. It's also a one-time investment so nobody can change their mind afterwards (or need to, since the cost is sunk). There are no undesirable side effects on the ground, and if you position it right, you can cool the equator much more than the poles, turning much more of the earth into livable habitat.
Some might say this is Kessler Syndrome on steroids, but if all of the foils are within a relatively small range of orbits, it wouldn't be all that hard to avoid. Aluminum is also highly reflective and easy to see with radar, so if one does come your way, you can easily see and dodge it.
Do you have an ass? Yes, you do. If you were to be half-assed it would be a severe hindrance to sitting, walking, pooping, etc. Thus if someone half-asses something it is to declare that they did a very poor job indeed.
... and, besides, they can no longer afford to pump aerosols into the atmosphere.
The cost of such a program, especially after it's been going for decades, is minuscule compared to the cost of carbon reduction. The idea that we'll suddenly not be able to afford it is nuts, but moreover, it's applicable a fortiori to any other plan. Who would claim that "well, we could cut carbon emissions, but then in 2050 we might no longer be able to afford it and go back to coal, which would be worse" is a legitimate argument against carbon reduction?
There are a million legitimate objections to geo-engineering. This one, however, is total nonsense.
... out of their fucking minds?
Well with some of the previous storiesand this I can only say yes. Group paranoia.
Shut up, Beau. Go back to Burger King. You could be a manager by the time you're 30.
old enough to remember when the PS3 came out
Seriously, is that a thing? Get off my lawn, fetus!
But hey, it's the average idiot's default choice: When constantly running against roof beams, just take pain killers. (And call it "roof beam disease".) Never EVER even consider not running against them in the first place.
("climate change" should be called "genocide-causing suicidal stupidity". Or maybe just "the planetary pathogen known as humanity".)
Go back to your Catholiban swamp!
From January 2007 to December 2013, Rathburn, 63, and his wife Elizabeth ran a corrupt body brokering company called International Biological, Inc (IBI). For the grisly scheme, Rathburn dismembered cadavers with a chainsaw, band saw, and reciprocating saw. He haphazardly piled parts and headsâ"flesh on fleshâ"amid pools of blood and shipped them wrapped in trash bags in camping coolers.
Goooooo Beth!
GIVE YOUR IRON TO POSEIDON AND HE SHALL FORGIVE YOUR TRESPASS AGAINST HIS DOMAIN
fuck your lameness filter, I was yelling
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Instead of try a chemistry experiment of unprecedented proportions, it would be much better if we simply addressed the problem directly: remove the excess CO2 from the air. It will take years and millions of CO2 reclamation plants but it will get the job done! The question is not if we can do it but if we will do it.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
But if you listen and consider how many lifeforms that might deafen, I’m all ears.
make stupid people applying it.
Calm down, it's just a spill chucking error. They meant to say you could either do solar geoengineering fast or half-fast.
... agriculture goes down by 1% etc. 1% might not sound much but on a planetwide scale is huge.
All of this, of course, is based on those oh-so-reliable models that can't account for the "pause" and generally fail to distinguish adequately between natural and anthropogenic warming. Just the kind of basis you want to use as the basis for a massive experiment with the planet's atmosphere.
First understand. Then tinker.
At the moment, the models generally fail to make any specific and falsifiable predictions. Where people have tried to make such predictions, based on the models, they have generally been wrong. It's not clear that current models are any better than the Farmer's Almanac.
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
Making the popcorn as I await the handwringing, and finger pointing from both sides. Happy hump-day everybody!
Just another day in Paradise
Plants are already very good at carbon sequestration. We just need nation-state level industrial projects to use solar to irrigate currently uninhabitable desert regions with desalinated sea water. Then, completely cover those regions in bamboo forests. Harvest the bamboo and bury it or use it for construction materials instead of cutting down pine treas. We already have the technology to do this on a grand scale.
What about when the Muslims destroy civilisation? On the otter hand maybe it's best if humanity does die after that
Right, because the water used by power plants is synthesized on-site.
And don't forget about the chemtrails. /s
CLI paste? paste.pr0.tips!
Look-UP, those stripes in the sky are chemtrails.
Current conversation is a red herring as it leave out the current chemtrail program that is and has been taking place above our heads in full-force for the last 3 years and very possibly for a decade to 3 decades.
Think the sites are created for fun?
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
Or a disinformation campaign is taking place?
Profanity in the headlines now? Really?
What exactly in the headline do you claim was profane? I see nothing in it disrespecting any religion.
Imagine my surprise.
Are already here for man years....
The worst thing is the Half-Assed Science that is Global Warming.
How is it Half-Assed?
1. No empirical observations. The temperatures of record are regularly "adjusted" without any real explanation or cause.
2. No repeatable, published experiments showing that CO2 is the cause of their imaginary hockey puck.
3. Relies on computer models that regularly have to revised after they learn that, yet again, they missed or misunderstood something. How many more revisions to go? No one knows.
4. Religious like devotion to an agenda , complete with dogma, heretics, excommunications, and a priesthood.
5. The same infallibility theory as religion. AGW predicts EVERYTHING
6. Demands that you tithe.
What this study proves beyond any reasonable doubt is that global warming is a natural phenomenon and humans should not attempt to interfere with it.
The National Socio-Environmental Synthesis Center needs to realize that National Socialism one of the shortest-lived and most hated political movements on this planet. And if we depending on that for a solution, we are screwed. The only way to make a solution stick is to develop a technology that has an economic up-side which will make it 'stick' in the long term.
Have gnu, will travel.
Direct sequestration of CO2?
All that's required is a nuclear plant and access to water.
Pumping CO2 into volcanic rock to create limestone?
Or any of how many other technologies?
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
To add to your analogy, and frame it so that it is not Al Gore stupid, imagine if each blanket you add is thinner then the last blanket. Also, imagine that the blanket only covers 1/3 of your body and doesn't work at night.
That's much closer to reality.
It's completely arrogant to assume enough knowledge to do things like this. Every single time science has tried to tame nature, they have failed or have completely screwed up other things. Nature always wins.
Everybody remember this article the next time somebody tells you about Chemtrails and you are tempted to just dismiss it as conspiracy theory, because this story is a demonstration of such experiments.
Me and my family are not your lab rats, and any attempt to experiment on people in this way will be viewed as a military attack and you will likely be subject to a military response.
Here's where the asinine idea came from
http://freakonomics.com/2011/09/02/finally-a-garden-hose-to-the-sky/
Be prepared to pay patent royalties to "save the planet".
Why is Slashdot publishing a bad science FICTION story?
I don't see many people mentioning all the documented testing of CHEM TRAILS! which is exactly the kind of research they would have to do.
Anybody remember them? The so called Conspiracy theorist that said the government is attempting to refelct sunlight back into space via chem trails?
Well, if you want to go that way with the meaning of profane (towards the religious definition), then anything not sacred would be profane, so every headline /. ever had would be profane.
TFA is just a stupid strawman argument.
AGW doesn't exist for 50% of the year is proven science fact now.
During night, it is 10 degrees average colder than day time
and stays cold for 10 hours no end.
Waaa! Waaaa! wwwaaaaaaaa!!
Glow ball cooling is oppressing me each night!!!
So glow ball wumming doesn't work in the night
and only works when the sun comes out?
So 50% of the time, glow ball wamming doesn't exist?
Climate change now accelerated to 1 degree per HOUR!!!!
As the Sun cums up, the earth's temperature goes up
average 1 degree per hour. And when then Sun cums
down, the globe cools 1 degree per hour.
Climate is changing every hour!
Awe noooo! This is making me crispy and toasted.
Can I have a bacon sandwich to top it all off?
While I agree there is some compelling evidence, your argument that "it's true because thousands of climatologists" is complete garbage. The majority of scientists have *often* been wrong about things in the past: low-fat diets, exoplanets being rare, dinosaurs being reptiles that lived in swamps, neanderthals not existing alongside humans, AGW leading to an ice age, dietary cholesterol, Moore's law ending umpteen times in the last 20 years, etc etc etc. Experts are wrong about things surprisingly often. What do you think about economist predictions? Statistically they're no better than random chance. If you want to make an argument, make the argument. Don't just say who agrees with you.
A fetus with fetal alcohol syndrome
Funny that this got modded down, since the headline was copied verbatim from the Vice headline.
FWIW, I don't currently have a huge problem with Vice (unless someone wants to educate me), but they are likely to use profanity, which is, directly, how the profanity ended up on Slashdot.
So, we are being told that small steps are worse than no steps at all? That'll discourage everyone. I wish they would just accept that nuclear power is clean and cheap and easy.
Thank you scatbomb.
I'm getting really sick of appeals to authority on this site. Other equally transparent logical fallacies such as "ad hominem", and "correlation implies causation" are routinely called out but "scientists say" is just accepted as a logical trump card and those still in disagreement are happily branded idiots.
I don't see Slashdot's situation improving anytime soon but it is heartening to see that there are still people here that are pushing for more valid argumentation.