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Net Neutrality Comment Fraud Will Be Investigated By Government (arstechnica.com)

Last month, a number of US Representatives sent a letter to the Government Accountability Office (GAO) asking it to investigate fraudulent comments submitted to the FCC's proposal to repeal net neutrality. Multiple groups found evidence that millions of the comments submitted during the FCC's public comment period were linked to fake email addresses, were fraudulently posted under others' names and addresses and were even attributed to people known to be dead. ArsTechnica reported on Wednesday that the GAO has agreed to investigate the issue. From the report: The GAO will do just that, having told Democrats in a letter that it will "review the extent and pervasiveness of fraud and the misuse of American identities during federal rulemaking processes." The investigation was requested by nine Democrats led by Reps. Gregory Meeks (D-NY), Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), and Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ). GAO investigations do not happen quickly. "At the current time we anticipate that staff with the required skills will be available to initiate an engagement in about five months," the office said.

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  1. Sounds like vote fraud? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> linked to fake...addresses, were...under others' names and addresses and were even attributed to people known to be dead

    Wow, sounds horrible - almost as bad as typical vote fraud!

    1. Re:Sounds like vote fraud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Can you point to actual FEC violations for us, little Breitbart whataboutist strawman troll? Of course you can't lol, you're just a figment of Trump's twitter account.

    2. Re:Sounds like vote fraud? by pezpunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      not quite literally non-existent ... just so close to non-existent, that it has no bearing whatsoever on reality, other than a bunch of fearmongering, racist laws that in practicality do nothing other than suppress votes of minorities and marginalized groups.

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    3. Re:Sounds like vote fraud? by jeff4747 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      The law only registers citizens.

      Green card holders have been able to get driver's licenses for decades, btw. So odd that nobody brought up that.....unless the people ranting about "illegal aliens" had some motivation beyond election integrity....

    4. Re:Sounds like vote fraud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Again, you can't read. The law is that for people who apply for a normal drivers license, they are asked if they want to register or not. If they say yes, their information is passed along and verified. If they are applying for the special license for illegals, they are not asked if they want to register to vote. Because they already know they're not eligible to vote if they're applying for that type of license. So why ask them.

      http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-me-pol-ca-motor-voter-law-20151016-html-htmlstory.html

    5. Re:Sounds like vote fraud? by Stolovaya · · Score: 1

      You're basically advocating that an independent organization have total power in choosing one of the candidates for POTUS, that they can do what they want to swing things their way.

      And it's not bullshit. There was one of the primaries (Arizona, I think?) that where the chairperson basically called the vote before tallying up the Sanders votes. Nomination went to Clinton. I may not be remembering that 100%, but it's close.

      Or maybe articles like this that confirm that "corruption and collusion": https://nypost.com/2017/11/02/...

      I know there are other examples, but my memory isn't great so I'd have to dig around for them.

      We really just need to get rid of the electoral college.

      If people that were registered as Democrats voted in that way for Cruz, well....sure, but I don't see that happening, I think that's pretty hyperbolic (just like neither Sanders or Clinton would ever be on an R ticket).

    6. Re:Sounds like vote fraud? by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      And there are also plenty of us that call bullshit on the very idea of "corruption and collusion" within the DNC.

      Yes, you are what we call "the accused" and sit at the table with the defense lawyers while hiding behind your 5th.Amendment rights.

      Right, Lois?

      Strat

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    7. Re:Sounds like vote fraud? by uncqual · · Score: 1

      The simple answer is "Because they didn't pass any such law".

      The automatic voter registration (if the applicant doesn't opt out) only applies to those applying for "traditional" drivers' licenses in California as legal residents.

      Illegal aliens can get a driver's license, but it is of a different type sometimes called an "AB 60 License" (due to the fact that Assembly Bill 60 created this class of licenses). On the front these licenses have the annotation "federal limits apply" and on the back the annotation "not acceptable for official federal purposes". Those applying for an AB 60 license are not automatically registered to vote (they are not even given the option to "opt out" since that would make no sense because they will never be registered anyway).

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    8. Re:Sounds like vote fraud? by Straif · · Score: 1

      The primary system is just a method used for a political party to pick a candidate. It's not a requirement to hold any office. Since the US does not have a single election for President but instead 50+ separate elections (not sure how the territories count) the 2 big parties have the infrastructure to properly register their representative in all States to optimize their chance of winning on a Federal level. Anyone meeting the legal requirements for President can go ahead and register themselves but it takes a lot of manpower to do it on a national level (you have to know and meet each States requirements to get on their ballot).

      Being a private organization, the DNC can make whatever rules it wants to pick their candidate for President. The problem lies in the fact they published a clearly defined set of rules and standards for how that process is suppose to run and in many instances it appears to be the case that they violated those rules in order to weigh the scale in Hillary's favor.

      It's essentially a contract dispute. They announced a free and fair primary system to their membership (although their excessive use of 'super-delegates' always made that a farce) and instead helped a single candidate behind the scenes.

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    9. Re: Sounds like vote fraud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      LMFAO

      You just shut him the fuck up. God damn it it isn't even hard to find this information if you just Google and then ignore the right wing echo chamber. The problem is that his type can't recognize the echo chamber, because he's a gullible idiot.

    10. Re:Sounds like vote fraud? by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      I feel like I need to point out that there are people beyond Trump-supporters that acknowledge and condemn the corruption and collusion that happened within the DNC. Nice try, troll.

      Oh, just hold on. I think it might get *way* more entertaining!

      Investigation of FCC public comments on NN: -- Millions of taxpayer dollars.

      Results of investigation clearly showing massive comment fraud from Russian sources...all pro-NN -- Priceless!

      If that happens, the sound of the door being slammed shut on that investigation by the DNC will have seismometers hopping around the world!

      Strat

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    11. Re:Sounds like vote fraud? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Why no call them illegal immigrants. Illegal aliens sounds really stupid, especially in light of the growing generally awareness of the rest of the galaxy. It always sound like Americans are talking about beings from another world, ohhh ahhh, illegal ALIENS (of course the reason the term all purely inflammatory, just doesn't sound as bitey as immigrant). So illegal immigrants please, unless they come from another world, than sure illegal aliens. So illegal immigrants who attempted to migrate to the country and who were arrested and returned to the country of origin, at the country of origins expense (they allowed the transit) and of course those who overstayed their visas as well, unfair to charge the country of origin, well, they can always get the money back from the illegal immigrant.

      Unhappy with the immigration laws, change them. I would categorically state, the only way to do that properly is via referendum with the existing citizenry voting on the appropriate scope and nature of immigration laws. I know people can be fearful and vote on more restrictive immigration laws than I would consider appropriate but such is democracy. People would call that a cop out but democracy is democracy, either convince them to change or accept a proper democratic basis for quite restrictive immigration laws.

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    12. Re:Sounds like vote fraud? by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      People swayed by me posting an rt.com article are beyond being helped. As the AC posted below, address the argument, not the source.

  2. This must be 100% legit by sinij · · Score: 2

    I never knew my grandpa was against net neutrality, I will now stop visiting his grave.

  3. Fraud and the Government?? by GregMmm · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wow talk about calling the kettle black. The US government wants to look at the FCC for fraudulent claims. Doesn't matter which side of the fence you stand on, you have to admit it's funny.

  4. One must first assume... by bobbied · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The FCC commissioners actually reviewed these comments... Or what's the issue? It's not like they counted "yes" and 'no" votes from the comments.

    I can tell you that the FCC commissioners are not prone to paying any attention to public comments. They MAY use them to justify their perspective, in the case they actually do, but no commissioner will care if they don't. Nobody is out counting comments to determine what way to vote. They have pollsters and their political appointers to determine how they vote, the comments are meaningless for this.

    So it doesn't matter where the public comments came from, not one bit.

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    1. Re:One must first assume... by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 2

      The problem is they're supposed to review the comments AFTER they're submitted, not before.

    2. Re:One must first assume... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      LOL, Clever sir....

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  5. Chicago! by Zorro · · Score: 2

    Being dead is no barrier to voting!

  6. Doubt anything will come of it by DanoTime · · Score: 1

    as the saying goes "Who watches the watchers" while nonpartisan the GSO only makes a report - and I think we all know what is going on here and it is exactly what congress (or their benefactors) want. I am doubtful anything will come of this - still a shame that the process can be hijacked and then dismissed so easily.

  7. Close by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Close, but you still fell for the lie.

    The FCC commissioner is required to respond to each unique issue raised in the comments. However many fake comments is absolutely irrelevant, because they are identical and therefore only get one response.

    My bet is this is a false flag operation by some snarky slashtard, ignorantly designed with the intent of trying to break the process, and failing catastrophically.

    1. Re:Close by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Yea, I response of "We got your comment, thanks for your input. " from an automated bot...

      Comments don't need to be addressed. The issues raised MIGHT be addressed, but this too is not required.

      I seem to recall when BPL was being discussed, you know, where they where talking about letting broad spectrum RF be carried over power lines to get internet to remote places, the Ham radio community had all sorts of "issues" with this and posted all sorts of unique comments about the question for the FCC to review... It didn't matter one little bit, they voted to move forward with the testing and the very issues raised in those comments proved true. The FCC commissioners didn't care about the comments, even the ones which raised the proper technical objections, which sadly proved to be all too true.

      So, I know what the rules are, but the reality is they don't matter in the end. Certainly the number of comments doesn't matter. The commissioners vote the way they are told to vote.

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  8. The problem with comments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The problem with comments on the Internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity. Also, I am against Net Neutrality."
    ~ Abraham Lincoln

  9. Re:FusionGPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Which has nothing to do with what the original question was. Which was about the DNC primary.

  10. Re:Keep it Dead by Pascoea · · Score: 1

    You forgot to log in to your account to post, but I can understand why. Having a username like "imacomcastshill" would distract from the point you were trying to make.

  11. Re:Keep it Dead by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    Troll bot could use some grammar lessons.

  12. Re:FusionGPS by Bryansix · · Score: 1

    If having an affair was illegal, I think Bill might be worried more than anybody else.

  13. Re:FusionGPS by gnick · · Score: 2

    Agreed. Bill Clinton & Donald Trump are both pigs, but cheating on your life isn't illegal. Lying about cheating is a bigger deal than cheating; it opens you up to blackmail.

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  14. We lost the data ... by Big+Bipper · · Score: 2

    Do you really think that all the data will still be there when they come to audit it ? They'll be sure to have an upgrade and lost their backups before then.

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  15. Re:FusionGPS by Rob+Y. · · Score: 2

    Who said FusionGPS paid the Russian government for info? Sure, Fusion was payed - but if you believe their testimony (and they're certainly a lot more believable than, say, Donald Trump Jr.), they did their research on the up and up - i.e. broke no laws, and did essentially what good OR people do.

    Nobody paid Fusion as an intermediary to funnel money to Russia. Fusion started looking at Russian connections and kept finding stuff. And what they found was disturbing enough that they went to the FBI with it. Hardly what you do if you were hired to secretly break the law and 'funnel money to a foreign government'.

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  16. Government Investigation! Thank god! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm sure this will all be put to rest post-haste.

  17. Re:FusionGPS by Bryansix · · Score: 1

    Nice post with no facts or sources.