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Now Even YouTube Serves Ads With CPU-draining Cryptocurrency Miners (arstechnica.com)
YouTube was recently caught displaying ads that covertly leach off visitors' CPUs and electricity to generate digital currency on behalf of anonymous attackers, it was widely reported. From a report: Word of the abusive ads started no later than Tuesday, as people took to social media sites to complain their antivirus programs were detecting cryptocurrency mining code when they visited YouTube. The warnings came even when people changed the browser they were using, and the warnings seemed to be limited to times when users were on YouTube. On Friday, researchers with antivirus provider Trend Micro said the ads helped drive a more than three-fold spike in Web miner detections. They said the attackers behind the ads were abusing Google's DoubleClick ad platform to display them to YouTube visitors in select countries, including Japan, France, Taiwan, Italy, and Spain. The ads contain JavaScript that mines the digital coin known as Monero.
Because itâ(TM)s getting out of hand and they will fix everything.
This is why I run an adblocker and a script blocker.
And why I refuse to visit sites that insist I turn it off.
Speaking of which, anyone know any WebExtensions that do anti-anti-adblock? The old one was XUL.
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Can the workloads really be broken down into such small chunks that running during a 15-30 second ad gets any useful work done? It seems coordinating breaking up and putting back together such small work parts would be more computational power than its worth.
Quick! Everyone stop using Youtube so we can swing the apocalypse back into the hands of the creators.
What puzzles me most is that you tube isn't very popular, and unlikely to be wroth the effort in terms of getting the miner code to run on many computers...
The work is small. Just with a really low probability of success. This is why "mining" is usually done on GPUs, more tries more winnings.
One that comes to the top of my mind is Mineblock.
It specifically blocks cryptominers of all kinds, even ones that the usual script blockers and other antimalware stuff miss.
It's not the only one, and I'm sure that eventually the others will catch up to these types of extensions, but it's still relatively early days for this kind of infestation.
Keep up to date on whatever you use, and those leeches won't find you an easy meal.
It's the age of browser tabs. People open a tab with youtube and it stays open, often for hours.
This is why I absolutely refuse to to surf without adblockers in place.
The whole online ads thing has been a shit-show since the word "go".
And they piss and moan about it, while taking ever greater liberties with computing resources THEY DO NOT OWN.
You can't even trust GOOGLE for chrissakes! And they're a browser vendor? How VERY convenient!
You wanna block me from viewing your content because I don't let you infect, destabilize, and take over my system?
Fine, I don't need to see your shit content that bad. I'll go do something ELSE.
Online advertising is a Herpes infection.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
"Unoccupied CPUs" were a waste back when a CPU used the same amount of power idling as working.
Today, giving my "unoccupied CPU" a task for your benefit is theft of my battery life (time until I need to recharge), battery lifetime (total number of cycles), electricity (both direct device usage and indirect cooling needs), and device lifetime (hotter devices fail sooner).
Now, if you'd like to offer me payment for these things you wish to consume, we can talk.
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What makes you think they all unload when you leave that site?
There are lots of them that just keep running and eating up your resources even when you want to use them.
That's the problem with people secretly sticking their hands in your pocket, you have no idea how much they're going to take or how long they'll be doing it.
The very fact that they hid this from you is ALWAYS a bad sign.
Then don't visit those sites. Parent was suggesting this would be a method of transferring value in exchange for your consumption of their service.
Does it really matter? They're still collecting:
1 - A theoretical dollar for the video view
2 - The ad revenue, and they get to top it off with 3:
3 - Tiny fractions of a monero-cent
Adding #3 is free for them. Why not include it?
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It really depends.
Visiting from a desktop PC with adequate cooling? OK, I guess.
Using a laptop, tablet or mobile device? Bad, really bad.
Then it's a matter of how much mining is being performed and where. I assume most people leave a few tabs open, for example one with e-mail, one with news aggregator, a few community websites, maybe a couple social media tabs. If all of them cryptomine, you're in deep shit. Also if they mine while the tab is in the background, you're also in deep shit.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
I kind of agree, but at the same time, many are now viewing the web on mobile devices etc. Browser vendors are constantly bickering on which has the best performance and least impact on mobile device battery usage, and people value some of that.
While I too would rather have my workstation use a minimal amount of CPU to help the cause, and ease my conscience that I'm not undermining the reason why ads exist in the first place, and supporting my favorite content providers... I wonder if some of the side effects might not overcome some of the good.
I'm not lost to the fact that many ads are actually quite damaging on battery life as well, but I'm not informed as to what the numbers look like by comparison. Part of me wants to think that mining would be more-so. Maybe I'm completely off the mark, but just a couple of cents I had..
Consider an algorithm such as Yescrypt (http://password-hashing.net/wiki/doku.php/yescrypt) which is a valid CPU cryptomining algorithm. My CPU (Broadwell i7 6800K) finds a share every 5 seconds with 11 threads running. I extrapolate a quad core CPU would find a share every 15-20 seconds. Those shares add up if the receiving wallet and mining pool are the same. This means wallet "iourthoesruithjvansoivrzupaweo" could have a swarm 10K workers mining for 30 seconds each on the same pool, and find 10K shares every 30 seconds.
Let's see what this adds up to in terms of cash.
My CPU (taken as reference) makes about 1.5 dollars a day. A Quad-core CPU (average desktop PC CPU) would make about 0.5 dollars a day through cryptomining. Multiply that by 10K miners (dynamic swarm), it adds up to 5K dollars a day. It's a hefty sum, assuming the website really has 10K active visitors at all times.
1K active sessions would yield 500 bucks a day, 100 active sessions would net 50 bucks a day. Even 10 active sessions would be 5 dollars a day, every day. Not bad, I'd say.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
Right now we don't have that option. Because everyone who does this, does it without telling the user. Until it becomes a CHOICE, they can fuck off.
This is why I absolutely refuse to to surf without adblockers in place.
The whole online ads thing has been a shit-show since the word "go".
And they piss and moan about it, while taking ever greater liberties with computing resources THEY DO NOT OWN.
You can't even trust GOOGLE for chrissakes! And they're a browser vendor? How VERY convenient!
You wanna block me from viewing your content because I don't let you infect, destabilize, and take over my system?
Fine, I don't need to see your shit content that bad. I'll go do something ELSE.
Online advertising is a Herpes infection.
If the internet is a prostitute, sites that make you pay are like elite courtesans; sites which let you view for free are street hookers.
Yeah, no one wants to pay the price for an elite courtesan; but you're more likely to get an infection from a street hooker.
you list about four costs that probably add up to a penny or two per hour, particularly if the mining javascript has its intensity set below 40%, which was the default last time i checked.
you aren't being paid because the idea is YOU are paying a tiny microfee (in the form of an advertisement, or in this case a minor uptick in your cpu usage) for access to the content you are viewing.
i implemented a Monero JavaScript on a website i run, but it was an option that was DISABLED by default, and my users could voluntarily opt-in if they felt like donating some CPU cycles to me. It was 100% transparent and voluntary. A few did.
i could live a little longer in this prison
I don't know why this is the first time I'm realizing this, but "ads" that cryptomine seem like a great idea. Given the amount of web browsing that is just that, with an otherwise unoccupied CPU, I'd much rather the sites I visit be earning some money directly from my use than displaying crappy ads all over and splitting that income with the middlemen.
I would be fine with this in place of ads if a) it's fully disclosed b) it's opt-in, and c) it's set to consume no more than say 25% of my CPU.
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
Attackers? What?
you can definitely break the workload into small chunks that only take a few seconds.
multiply all those small hashrates by tens of thousands of pageviews, and you start pulling in quite a respectable ROI. The hard part is finding a Monero pool that doesn't ban you for making tens of thousands of tiny connections.
i could live a little longer in this prison
I have NEVER encountered a site that requires you disable adblock. I have been to maybe two sites that asked politely to turn it off, and did nothing to keep you out if you didn't.
At least Chrome limits background tabs to 1% of CPU and will, in future, pause javascript entirely in those pages.
The problem is that if given the choice between extremely intrusive ads, or ads that cryptomine, most advertisers will happily take both, and you will still get the "free iPhone" popover ads, that burn your CPU as long as they can, running up your energy bills.
There is no real negotiation. The ad guys want to trespass and seize as much of your devices and your attention as possible. The only thing stopping them is the fact that OS vendors and browser vendors have to do something or else people will change platforms. If the ad guys could run a keylogger, install malware, run miners on all your stuff, then encrypt your files to demand a ransom, they would do it in a heartbeat.
Best thing is to run your browser in a VM, where it is limited on how many cores, and what percentage usage it can use the cores. That way, if stuff does get around the OS and browser, what it can steal off your machine is limited.
Does the Javascript have to stop running when the ad completes? If it could stay up for the entire time you watch a video, that could make a mint.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
You know what? If you let me know with a disclosure you're going to do it. And by doing it you give a clean, completely ad-free page. I say let's go for it.
Yes it will use a little more power (which I pay for), but if that's the price to pay to not have to be distracted 5 times reading a page (closing popups, videos playing, etc), then it's a price I gladly pay.
It's spelled "leech," not "leach." Sorry, but I have been seeing this error a lot recently.
That would be an option IF the sites asked permission first. How are you supposed to know which sites not to use if all those sites conceal what they're doing?
How do you figure the cost of losing half your battery time? From what I've directly observed, having a few badly-behaved Web pages open can take me from six hours of battery life to two or three.
I've been known to pay for ad-free access to content, and I've been willing to accept ads as a way to compensate content providers. Ads are simply getting too expensive to accept now -- the electricity cost is small, but the costs in battery life, stability, and safety are just too high.
(And that's omitting the attention costs. Static ads? Fine. Static ads for things I'm actually interested in? Heck, I'll click through them! But autoplay video, distracting animations, malware? Nope. Bad for my perceptual and cognitive health.)
I repeatedly surprised (and appalled) when I visit a favorite site on a machine other than my own (the horror!!)
Now, if you'd like to offer me payment for these things you wish to consume, we can talk.
Were you able to see their content? You got paid. You're not going to get reimbursed for the power consumed by your TV or DVR while you're fast-forwarding through commercials either.
I don't like the miners either, but I understand that ads are the price of content. The alternative is paid content, which you're free to switch to.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
I know dedicated mining operations are way more efficient, but botnets can get pretty large.
Are there any estimates on just what proportion of crypto-currencies are mined through illegitimate means?
I stole this Sig
...network at my government IT job started blocking some YouTube... Work much?
If you're not willing to support my site, feel free to boycott it. However, stop stealing from me. You're not required to go to my site, but you're not welcome to violate my copyright with a derivative work in order to steal revenue from me.
Have you watched his latest YouTube video? He's the douchebag admin looking forward to the government shutdown because government users will log off their computers and he can work on their systems while they're gone.
Why are ads even allowed to run javascript? It's one thing for double-click itself to be implemented in javascript, but why on earth do doubleclick/youtube allow the ads to include javascript? Shouldn't they just be an image or gif or video?
If we really want to use this role-reversed metaphor, they're paying me (with their content) for my attention (to their ads). Ideally, my favorable and engaged attention, not my swearing-at-the-site-as-I-try-to-close-my-hung-browser attention.
In point of fact, I've decided that many sites offer inadequate "pay" for the resource hit they impose, whether from ads or just bad coding. Sometimes I switch to viewing them in a different browser that mitigates these resource attacks. Most often, I just stop visiting.
Anti-adblock detects failure to load ads and removes the article's text from the DOM until the user disables protection. Running a blocker for a specific behavior gives you a bit of plausible deniability and room to complain to the site's support department about misdetecting an ad blocker.
Cryptomining seems to me like a fundamentally different form of payment for content than viewing an ad. A reasonable one on its own, possibly, if they're up-front about it, but hidden as part of the ad is IMO even more scumbaggy than having a pay-service that also has ads.
With all the vulnerabilities and whatnot, why would youtube just pass-through arbitrary executable code from a third party? They should accept video ads or whatever static formats they want to offer, but arbitrary executable code is pretty unreasonable.
I put up with adverts in newspapers and magazines because I understand they subsidise their production costs, but they don't track me and do shit behind my back.
Same for TV
Same for radio
Yet more and more websites display 'please disable your adblocker'.
NO. It's precisely because of shit like this that I run one and I have no intention of disabling it.
You want to display adverts on your site to bring in revenue, fine I get that. But do it the old way, with simple graphics that don't run unvetted shit on your viewers machines.
You want to block me from viewing your content 'cos I'm running an adblocker ? that's cool too, there's plenty of other sites out there.
If we really want to use this role-reversed metaphor, they're paying me (with their content) for my attention (to their ads).
Isn't that exactly what I said? Yeah, I agree. Nailed it.
-gnick
It's probably less than 25% in that a single page's javascript operates on a single logical core and a dual-core processor w/hyperthreading has four logical cores.
They are compensating you for these things by paying the people who make the content that you're watching so that you don't have to pay for that content. I agree that it's wrong of them to extract this service from you without your knowledge or consent (after all, in a normal commercial transaction, you should know how much something costs before you make the purchase), but I don't see anything wrong with a company offering people media access on the condition that they run mining software while they watch that media - as long as they're upfront about what they're doing.
It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.
-Voltaire
AC it would be a great idea if the user was asked and could see an amount been created for an account on that site.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
There you are spamming amazon and youtube affiliate links with yet another fake account, you revenue stream hogging disgusting fat sexist tube of lard, Christopher Dale Reimer!
You can be sure I will be watching this fake account too. I know this is you because you told me you were working on your freepass 11 file server and you are so dumb that you can't even masquerade yourself properly.
Now, I told you I was out of meds last week and you didn't even care to contact me you lazy fucker.
How many times do I have to express the emergency of the situation??????
The python click script you wrote for my pheromone revenue stream web site suddenly stopped to work!!!!!!
You fucking incompetent python script writer!!!
When it works, I get 4000+ clicks a day on my pheromone revenue stream web site but only 5 or 6 without it!!!!
Now, it seems like you dont care and that you have abandoned me you heartless fucking pig!
Bonus:
Here is a story that creimer told me when convincing me what a hard life he had:
The tree was him and the tree knot was his butt hole!
So, his uncle packed his fat ass with lard and with his cock! Not that it makes much of a difference but anyway, there it is!
Signed:
Ethell, The girl that used to love you and now hates you, burn in hell where you belong you sexist pig!
... browser vendor ...
Google doesn't sell a browser.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Putting JavaScript in ads causes too many problems, from drive-by malware to this (and many other things too). And it leads to annoying ads, like those pop-ups that never leave your field of view.
Yes, yes, I know it's because advertisers want to draw attention to their product. However, I suspect that many people would object less to ads if they weren't so annoying: compare to advertisements in (print) newspapers, who seem to have got along just fine without ads in -- what? -- several centuries so far?
If we banned JavaScript in ads, malware authors would have a lot more difficult task pushing their crap.
(Have to admit: only half-serious here, but still ...)
Defeat ads via DNS before involving your browser: https://pi-hole.net/ I've been using it for a few months now. Knowing my TVs are no longer sending logs to Samsung is very gratifying. I discovered a forgotten Jenkins install that was hitting Github every 5 minutes.. oops :(
I've only had to white-list two URLs for my kid so far.
Bunch of lies. YouTube was free for over a decade. Google even ran it ad free for years after they bought it.
You can't tell me a multi billion dollar company can't afford something.
Well you can, I just won't believe you.
That's OK. I'll just filter the advertisements myself on my end.
Google even ran it ad free for years after they bought it.
If any company offers you anything for free, it's limited while they get you hooked or they're getting something from you that you haven't noticed.
You can't tell me a multi billion dollar company can't afford something.
Being able to afford something has nothing to do with it. TANSTAAFL. Everyone's in the game to make a profit and there's never enough.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
And since you admit there is no consent, you should have no problem at all if we use ad blockers and ignore them, right?
#3 is free is kind of short sighted.
Cuz thousands of people and me are gonna turn Adblock back on for YouTube.
Is that a good enough reason?
I got a good reason to just rip YouTube videos now, totally bypassing ads, clicks, and views.
Is that a good enough reason?
Most of what I watch in YouTube was on Twitch first anyways.
Are you sure about that?
Seems odd so many apps(like Avast! which bugs you to install chrome every update) would bundle a Chrome installer for free.
https is such a falsehood. Sure the connection between you and one site may be secure, and you may actually trust it. But what about all those third party trackers and ad servers that load into the same page? Yes I am oversimplifying and https is about the connection and not the server's security - but as soon as a third party content is loaded shouldn't the underlying https connection become tainted in a way that it has something like one of those big red Xs on it for https+non-https mixed content? Maybe a middle finger emoji to the end user.
I wish for a day whereby disabling loading of third party content is enabled by default - and websites still work.
If you don't use an ad blocker by now, or even better something like umatrix extension - please add one to your favorite browser. (umatrix is from same guy as ublock origin, and sure it has a learning curve but we are supposed to be nerds reading this, and be amazed at all the third party junk on your favorite websites).
Stick with it, OK?
You'll get it after you've been on the Internet a while.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
It is none of your business which sites other people visit.
Theft of CPU power creates a cost which YOU do not pay.
Since it is not your money - simply shut up.
What if they install something that keeps mining after you leave the page?
What if they install something that keeps mining as a system service that starts up automatically whenever you boot your machine, and maybe sets up a proxy for them to communicate with other systems inside your LAN?
After all, if you've viewed their content, they're entitled to compensation, right?
I think we fundamentally agree that informed consent is the important thing, but I'm not willing to venture very far down the slippery slope of "compensate content producers by letting them run whatever they want on your machine".
That's not quite how the math works. For one thing, with a single core doing a lot of work, and the rest sitting idle, that core will turbo-boost. Additionally, a two-core machine with hyper-threading (a version of SMT) is not the same as a four-core machine without; the two logical cores share resources, can end up competing with each other and interact in other ways, so you don't magically double performance by adding SMT.
Not visiting the site IS the choice.
There you are AGAIN spamming amazon and youtube affiliate links with yet another fake account, you revenue stream hogging disgusting fat sexist tube of lard, Christopher Dale Reimer!
You can be sure I will be watching this fake account too. I know this is you because you told me you were working on your freepass 11 file server and you are so dumb that you can't even masquerade yourself properly.
Now, I told you I was out of meds last week and you didn't even care to contact me you lazy fucker.
How many times do I have to express the emergency of the situation??????
The python click script you wrote for my pheromone revenue stream web site suddenly stopped to work!!!!!!
You fucking incompetent python script writer!!!
When it works, I get 4000+ clicks a day on my pheromone revenue stream web site but only 5 or 6 without it!!!!
Now, it seems like you dont care and that you have abandoned me you heartless fucking pig!
Bonus:
Here is a story that creimer told me when convincing me what a hard life he had:
The tree was him and the tree knot was his butt hole!
So, his uncle packed his fat ass with lard and with his cock! Not that it makes much of a difference but anyway, there it is!
Signed:
Ethell, The girl that used to love you and now hates you, burn in hell where you belong you sexist pig!
It's probably less than 25% in that a single page's javascript operates on a single logical core and a dual-core processor w/hyperthreading has four logical cores.
JavaScript has been able to work with multiple threads on modern browsers for quite a while now. Just google "web workers".
Write boring code, not shiny code!
The idea that an web site can consume all of your resources is a bug. There is a reason active X was a bad idea. Today our browsers have enabled similar circumstances where they can take control over the machine without bounds. In a properly designed system the browser nor a particular app should have access to any and all resources on a system. Fortunately some restrictions do exist in some cases. However user adjustments in this particular case are an issue. The user should be put in control of a sites resource usage to hinder any site from gaining system control or consuming in excess of what the end-user considers reasonable. You should own your own computer and not someone else. Also another reason I'm not a fan of javascript or WebASM.
Nope, you act like I never tried Chrome. Firefox runs better on my computer.
Don't throw benchmarks at me from someone else's computer, they're irrelevant to me.
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I understand why an ad network like Yahoo or Doubleclick might use javascripts. But why would the individual advertiser need a custom javascript? Just provide a PNG or JPG or MP4 and be done with it. The idea that the ad networks permit arbitrary code in the ad is utterly ridiculous.
Creimer's maximum weight was 400 pounds. Boogie's maximum weight was 800 pounds. A difference in perspective.
Theyre both in the fattest .01% of the population.
creimer is a fattard!
Google is its own advertising company, why are they even using the likes of doubleclick and other ad agencies?
Yea electricity isn't free and very few places have 100% green energy. Unauthorized crypto mining is a borderline malicious waste of all of our resources and my money.
creimer should have told Boogie about creimer's miracle low-carb diet. creimer weighs twice a normal adult, this is also a difference in perspective.
Yet creimer didn't listen to normal adults, why would would Boogie listen to creimer?
But you paid for Chrome, right?
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
creimer claims to be reinventing creimer on YouTube. But so far, the new creimer is the same as the old creimer. Same boring anecdotes, same bizarre prose, same nasty attitude towards other people.
creimer is a piece of shit.
Thanks a lot mister creimer!
Album sales are up due to you!
--
Moon Unit Zappa
Typical marketing strategy that pays off, I have to admit.
Great job Moon Unit!
1 why should there be content from domains not in the adress bar? (you dont expect there to be pepsi inside a can of coca cola!)
2 site designers need to keep content on their own site! (if you dont own the content, link to it, dont steal it)
3 100+ connections to load a single site is unacceptable! (and not cool to other users on public wifi)
4 ssl/tls is worthless with crossdomain content! (and please support ipsec/dane certificates to stop the certificate marfia)
5 all audio/videos should be click to play! (possible crossdomain, but need to be clicked just like any other links)
6 crossdomain cookies, are just another name for tracking cookies! (you dont need cookies to track users on you own site!)
7 external javascript libraries, are just as bad as windows dll hell and linux dependency nightmare. (just compile them into you page)
8 for webapps you need to install/give premission, for them to use site x. (not have a stupid allow header on site x!)
9 adsence/analytics is the real big brother wathing you. (and he is not alone..)
but its not happening as long as the browser makers are in the pockets of the ad/spam supliers.
Google is its own advertising company, why are they even using the likes of doubleclick and other ad agencies?
Err..Doubleclick *is* Google.
creimer should have told Boogie about creimer's miracle low-carb diet.
Creimer's low carb diet is 150 grams of carbs per day. Boogie had surgery to reduce the volume of his stomach by 90% and can only eat 150 grams in carbs per day.
creimer weighs twice a normal adult, this is also a difference in perspective.
So is Boogie today at 394 pounds.
Yet creimer didn't listen to normal adults, why would would Boogie listen to creimer?
Because normal adults don't know shit about being overweight.
I'm surprised that the Creimertards haven't rushed over to YouTube to shitpost their shithole comments on creimer's channel. Of course, YouTube doesn't have the same permissive TOS that Slashdot has. Creimer can delete comments and ban users from his channel.
creimer has an easy job then, there are no comments!
creimer is an absurd human being.
A person hosting a website demands users disable adblocking and enable scripts to view their websites because they feel that viewing it without seeing their ads is theft.
So answer me this: are you, as the owner of said website, going to take responsibility--either personally or under your company name--for the expenses incurred WHEN, not if, I get a virus from the ads on your site? At a low estimate, call it $50 to service a machine to remove a virus. Are you going to give me $50 to remove the viruses that viewing your website unprotected--and make no mistake, adblock and noscript ARE need-to-have browser protection now--has left on my computer and which antivirus will do nothing for?
No? Didn't think so.
But suppose, for argument's sake, you ARE willing to accept liability for your actions. What if I were to make a machine with a clean copy of windows 10 and view your site in Edge, or windows 7 and IE, using a bot to make sure I reload your site a few dozen times an hour?
Every day I'll compile a list of times my computer was infected and I had to reimage it and I'll submit these tickets to you weekly. It'll come out to about $50/hour, every hour of every day.
THEN would you still be willing to accept responsibility for your actions, or would you tell me to fuck off and that it was my responsibility to protect myself. And would you still tell me to fuck off and disable my adblocking when viewing your site despite having seen the consequences?
You should listen to the Boogie interview. When Boogie started his YouTube channel, he was just being himself for the first few years. One day he created his current persona as a joke, viewers responded well and his channel took off when he adopted the persona.
As for creimer, he's either being himself or a Slashdot asshole. I think the latter. When he says his name in the video, the graphic identifies him as "I.T. Closet Cleaner".
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Obviously they know something, because they weigh 150-200 pounds. If they knew nothing, they would weigh 350-400 pounds.
Why are you surprised? Creimer s videos get like 12 views apiece.
creimer's videos are the perfect example of "the media is the message". Digital sewer fires are their own message.
That would explain why America is obese.
Sure, many Americans are obese, they creimer is still in the bottom .01%.
Anyway, it's not a lack of knowledge. It's very well understood that eating less and moving more will cause people to lose weight, just nobody wants to eat less and move more. Even most fat people realize that if they ate less they would not weight as much.
Huh?
But what's most distinctive about creimer's youtube channels is that he talks like a retard missing his top teeth, with a huge roll of neck-fat. That's not really something that can be pretended.
People say you (personally) cant make money at YouTube...and theyâ(TM)re right. What exactly have you proven wrong?
No one makes money from YouTube. However, you can build an audience from YouTube.
"No one makes money from YouTube."
Except the people that do, Chris.
"However, you can build an audience from YouTube."
Why do you need an audience? Narcissism? Ego?
Clearly, you have had a very difficult childhood.
Except the people that do, Chris.
The dumb people rely exclusively on ad revenues. The smart people have multiple revenue streams.
Why do you need an audience?
To make money outside of YouTube.
"The dumb people rely exclusively on ad revenues."
Those dumb people are making more money than you. That's their revenue stream.
" The smart people have multiple revenue streams."
Is a stream with nothing in it still a stream? How come dumb people with YouTube channels make more money than creimer?
"To make money outside of YouTube."
I'm starting to think there's a reason people kicked your teeth out.
So how exactly do videos of fountains help creimer sell more amazon books?
I'm starting to think there's a reason people kicked your teeth out.
Creimer got his teeth knocked out in the third grade. No child deserves that.
What Amazon books by creimer?
He sells e-books on Amazon. Realistically when he says he is "creating a brand" to make money, that's his only avenue for earning. So I guess he thinks the handful of people who watch his videos of fountains on Youtube will become creimer fans, and will spend money to read all his books?
The whole "I am building a brand" thing remains murky to me. It's kind've like the old Slashdot meme...
1. Build a brand through fountain videos
2. ???
3. Profit!
Creimer has no ebooks on Amazon. Maybe you don't know what you're talking about?
https://www.amazon.com/C.-D.-Reimer/e/B0040A2SEW/
Hello anonymous person who knows the details of creimer's life and passionately defends him but is not creimer.
Creimer used to have stories on amazon. I guess he's taken them down, surely because they got terrible reviews.
It makes it even more mysterious...how does he intend to turn his name into a brand, and then ???, and then profit, if he doesn't actually sell anything?
Seriously, please explain how creimer intends to turn spamming slashdot about youtube into a youtube brand into a profit.
You made a claim that creimer sold books on Amazon. Other than the anthologies that had his short stories in them, he had no books on Amazon. When I questioned your statement, you replied that creimer had ebooks on Amazon. Another fact proven false by looking at Amazon. Now you're claiming that creimer took down the ebooks. Given that your first two statements were demonstratably false, your third statement is likely to be false.
Don't you ever get tired of lying about creimer?
Hello again, person who is obviously not creimer!
Looking on Amazon, there are still links available to creimer's ebooks. For example, "Cabbage Patch Doll Fight" - the cover says "Essay ebook." Amazon says "currently not available for purchase." So obviously it was an ebook, it was available for sale on Amazon at some point, and now it is not. I hope this clears up the confusion!
All this anger about a nonsensical point and you still haven't answered the question - how do videos of fountains help creimer build a brand, and how will this "brand" help creimer make money?
What makes your u think creimer's brand has anything to do with ebooks? Creimer's Slashdot and social media accounts are pointed to YouTube. The channel artwork says, "Comic Cons, Silicon Valley, Technology, A new video every Friday". The fountain video is posted under the Silicon Valley playlist.
Hello creimertard who thinks every AC is creimer, You lied three times regarding creimer's e/books on Amazon. Another lie won't change that. The creimer soap opera is getting old. You need a hobby. Fucking goats and/or 14-year-old girls are pretty popular hobbies on Slashdot. That should keep you busy from spamming the rest of the Slashdot community with with your irrelevant bitterness about creimer. Thx!
Hello person who is not creimer but know everything about creimer, says "fucking goats", and has terrible grammar:
1) What's the lie? Amazon shows ebooks by creimer, "Cabbage Patch Doll Fight" being one. It's all very confusing.
2) How does Mr. Creimer plan to capitalize on low-viewcount Youtube videos into making money? Please be specific.