One can see that this report is complete bullshit, as it does not address the aspect of storage.
Nuclear power produces constant load. Coal and gas power plants can produce on demand. Together they require only a minimum storage capacity to balance daily consumption patterns. Solar and Wind power however are produced with enormous random fluctuations and can only exist if there is capacity to regulate and/or store electricity is large amounts.
This capacity does not exist, and considering how long does it take to plan and resolve all legal issues for large pump storage facilities, it will never be built in any significant amounts. The article does not calculate this cost at all, therefore it's ripe for garbage bin.
World HAS listened decades ago, and wanted to get away from coal and oil. This is why the world started building nuclear power plants. But then there too many idiots appeared who opposed that and now we're going back to coal and oil/gas.
> The renewable energy surcharge is expected to decrease in the future as the old inefficient solar plants will stop getting a guaranteed feed-in tariff at some point in time. And newer ones build now get a much smaller feed-in tariff due. The tariff is guaranteed for 20 years since registration. We are still paying 99 ct/kWh to some operators that registered their solar panels in the 90's. The tariffs are only slowly decreasing, but only for NEW registrations - when are they supposed to reaching the level of conventional pricing (3-4 ct/kWh+own storage capacity) - in 40-50 years maybe? Pathetic!
> What kind of interventions are you talking about? Anyway, it works nicely. The grid is stable. The grid is stable BECAUSE of interventions. Switching extremely expensive emergency capacities to keep it stable. The day they won't find enough capacity we will see blackouts all over the place. Right now it's just translated into electricity price.
>> It is expected that the grid will be separated into north and south regions to improve stability in a few years. > This is nonsense. The plan is to build power lines from north to south. That's what I'm talking about. Separation into zones.
> At the same time, the CO2 production keeps increasing. > CO2 production for generation of electricity is falling (3% in 2016). CO2 is still CO2. The fact is that production of CO2 in Germany is increasing, hence all the efforts to prevent so called "climate change" have been for nothing so far, but they COST.
> And we haven't even starting shutting down major nuclear plants yet. > We have already shut down eight in 2011 and one in 2015. Small, old, and mostly incapacitated ones. The 8 remaining are all in 1.3-1.4GW range. The 8 reactors and 14GW capacity being disabled within just 5 years. How is this supposed to be compensated?
>> Anyone want to tell how it's "working" ? > Can you tell me how you are able to survive while ignoring reality? It's the green shitheads like you who's ignoring reality. Expect no mercy from the reality when it comes for you.
Electricity costs ~30 eurocents per kWh in Germany now, with prices expected to continue to grow. The number of interventions to balance the grid skyrockets. It is expected that the grid will be separated into north and south regions to improve stability in a few years. At the same time, the CO2 production keeps increasing. And we haven't even starting shutting down major nuclear plants yet. Anyone want to tell how it's "working" ?
It's not the so-called "alt-right" who's responsible for the discrediting the "fact-checking" sites, but those sites themselves. They went overboard with their lies, trying to torpedo Trump's campaign, but instead torpedoes themselves. All "alt-right" did was to expose these lies by using hard evidence.
What happens right now - right after Soros' puppet lost the election, they summoned an emergency meeting to decide how to deal with their growing problem of people falling out of line of their carefully set up lying press. Right after that the press started pushing the "fake news" narrative. After all what happened during the election campaign, you've got to be blind not to see what's going on. They want to introduce heavy censorship to block any attempts to expose the lying press and create a monopoly to report the news. If we allow that, only Jew-controlled media will be allowed to distribute information on the net.
The muslim population in Europe has been growing rapidly, both through unrestricted immigration and high fertility rate. Meanwhile 40% children under 5 in Germany have migratory background. Since there are no mechanism to stop this process the outcome is obvious. Remember - SJWs like you will the first victims of islamisation. While they will be cutting off your head you will have enough time to assure yourself it isn't happening.
Do you realize that the cost would be then in the range of 100 trillion? And that's just for USA. Doubling shit every year isn't something that comes for free?
Is there even that much lithium on this planet?
Too bad in order to go 100% renewable and be able to iron out daily and seasonal input fluctuation, we need an estimated 0.2-1 MWh capacity per person. What Tesla is planning to do this year covers maybe ONE MILLIONTH of what USA would need. Does that sound like a solid plan?
Spending 44 million dollars for capacity of approximately 3500 dollars worth of electricity, with maybe 15-20 years of lifetime with good care? Sounds like a damn good plan (to siphon tax money).
You seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that the commies demolished a large number of churches of great achitectonic and historical importance during their terror reign. And that's not the thing of the past it seems - just recently Russians (i.e. the Russian Orthodox Church) have irreversibly destroyed ancient mural paintings of the German St.Katharina Church in Arnau (KÃnigsberg area, today occupied by Russia). Kirche Arnau - News. The Russians only seem to value history that suits them, otherwise they are behaving like vandals.
The key word is "critical". Meaning - you don't have the comfort of using electricity as you like. There are devices in my household that are capable of running on a single AAA battery for several years, but it's definitely not my refridgerator, not my stove and not my computer. What do YOU do consider "critical"?
I have bad news for you (sorry, not much found online except in German language):
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/ww...http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/...
It's a literally giant installation, cost: 6 million euro (1.3million subventioned from the state), capacity: 5MWh, that's 250 euro worth of electricity stored. Life span - certainly not "decades", 10 years at most.
Great idea, but it has too many mistakes:
1. Most people in Germany do not have their own house, but live in rented apartments. They have no possibility to install any kind of power generator, renewable or not.
2. Even if you have your own house, you cannot install for example a wind turbine or a biogas tank - these are only allowed at a minimum distance to living areas.
3. So, the only option is the solar power, but its output is fluctuating, so you need capabilities to equalize it, either:
- keep a connection to the grid (which brings you back all kinds of taxes and fees back, also see the next point)
- have a battery storage - for a househould it would require a battery the size of a shipping container and cost 1-2 million euros and wear out within few years. Remember, you need a storage capacity to last through the winter, where there is barely any solar output.
- have a backup generator running on diesel or gas - possible to combine with a heating boiler, there are solutions on the market like that, but then again you will need to pay additional taxes for electricity generation from gas, pay for gas, deal with the waste heat when you don't need it and I don't think any solution will readily run without grid connection
4. Starting from this year, the regenerative energy produced for self-consumption will be also subject to the EEG surcharge (the money that goes to the subventioning the renewable energy production) in Germany.
When you realize that it's cheaper for you to live off the grid you will realize that it's cheaper not to live here at all.
All suppliers in Germany are abided by law to add taxation to the end-user prices. Taxes and fees, most prominently the renewables subvention fee were rising rapidly in the last years, while raw electricity price on the bill was slowly decreasing. Yes, all suppliers in Germany will be raising or at least holding prices, and the only criminal cartel involved here is the govenrment. Good luck investigating those guys.
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No, I'm glad it's dead because it killed Nokia.
So, it's like Internet Explorer now?
I just watch YT via youtube-dl or directly via mpv (which uses youtube-dl hook). Their new UI is too retardedly slow to even look at it.
One can see that this report is complete bullshit, as it does not address the aspect of storage.
Nuclear power produces constant load. Coal and gas power plants can produce on demand. Together they require only a minimum storage capacity to balance daily consumption patterns. Solar and Wind power however are produced with enormous random fluctuations and can only exist if there is capacity to regulate and/or store electricity is large amounts.
This capacity does not exist, and considering how long does it take to plan and resolve all legal issues for large pump storage facilities, it will never be built in any significant amounts. The article does not calculate this cost at all, therefore it's ripe for garbage bin.
World HAS listened decades ago, and wanted to get away from coal and oil. This is why the world started building nuclear power plants.
But then there too many idiots appeared who opposed that and now we're going back to coal and oil/gas.
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> The renewable energy surcharge is expected to decrease in the future as the old inefficient solar plants will stop getting a guaranteed feed-in tariff at some point in time. And newer ones build now get a much smaller feed-in tariff due.
The tariff is guaranteed for 20 years since registration. We are still paying 99 ct/kWh to some operators that registered their solar panels in the 90's. The tariffs are only slowly decreasing, but only for NEW registrations - when are they supposed to reaching the level of conventional pricing (3-4 ct/kWh+own storage capacity) - in 40-50 years maybe? Pathetic!
> What kind of interventions are you talking about? Anyway, it works nicely. The grid is stable.
The grid is stable BECAUSE of interventions. Switching extremely expensive emergency capacities to keep it stable. The day they won't find enough capacity we will see blackouts all over the place. Right now it's just translated into electricity price.
>> It is expected that the grid will be separated into north and south regions to improve stability in a few years.
> This is nonsense. The plan is to build power lines from north to south.
That's what I'm talking about. Separation into zones.
> At the same time, the CO2 production keeps increasing.
> CO2 production for generation of electricity is falling (3% in 2016).
CO2 is still CO2. The fact is that production of CO2 in Germany is increasing, hence all the efforts to prevent so called "climate change" have been for nothing so far, but they COST.
> And we haven't even starting shutting down major nuclear plants yet.
> We have already shut down eight in 2011 and one in 2015.
Small, old, and mostly incapacitated ones. The 8 remaining are all in 1.3-1.4GW range. The 8 reactors and 14GW capacity being disabled within just 5 years. How is this supposed to be compensated?
>> Anyone want to tell how it's "working" ?
> Can you tell me how you are able to survive while ignoring reality?
It's the green shitheads like you who's ignoring reality. Expect no mercy from the reality when it comes for you.
Electricity costs ~30 eurocents per kWh in Germany now, with prices expected to continue to grow.
The number of interventions to balance the grid skyrockets. It is expected that the grid will be separated into north and south regions to improve stability in a few years.
At the same time, the CO2 production keeps increasing.
And we haven't even starting shutting down major nuclear plants yet.
Anyone want to tell how it's "working" ?
It's not the so-called "alt-right" who's responsible for the discrediting the "fact-checking" sites, but those sites themselves. They went overboard with their lies, trying to torpedo Trump's campaign, but instead torpedoes themselves. All "alt-right" did was to expose these lies by using hard evidence.
What happens right now - right after Soros' puppet lost the election, they summoned an emergency meeting to decide how to deal with their growing problem of people falling out of line of their carefully set up lying press. Right after that the press started pushing the "fake news" narrative. After all what happened during the election campaign, you've got to be blind not to see what's going on. They want to introduce heavy censorship to block any attempts to expose the lying press and create a monopoly to report the news. If we allow that, only Jew-controlled media will be allowed to distribute information on the net.
The muslim population in Europe has been growing rapidly, both through unrestricted immigration and high fertility rate. Meanwhile 40% children under 5 in Germany have migratory background. Since there are no mechanism to stop this process the outcome is obvious. Remember - SJWs like you will the first victims of islamisation. While they will be cutting off your head you will have enough time to assure yourself it isn't happening.
Simple - they will hire Chuck Norris for the job.
A 1 MWh battery however costs around 1 million dollars, and not 10000. Whole two orders of magnitude more than the figure you claimed
countries in the tropics are usually too damn poor to buy these batteries (or a Tesla car)
Do you realize that the cost would be then in the range of 100 trillion? And that's just for USA. Doubling shit every year isn't something that comes for free? Is there even that much lithium on this planet?
Too bad in order to go 100% renewable and be able to iron out daily and seasonal input fluctuation, we need an estimated 0.2-1 MWh capacity per person. What Tesla is planning to do this year covers maybe ONE MILLIONTH of what USA would need. Does that sound like a solid plan?
Spending 44 million dollars for capacity of approximately 3500 dollars worth of electricity, with maybe 15-20 years of lifetime with good care? Sounds like a damn good plan (to siphon tax money).
"Renewable" energy requires natural gas in order to compensate for fluctuating output.
You seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that the commies demolished a large number of churches of great achitectonic and historical importance during their terror reign. And that's not the thing of the past it seems - just recently Russians (i.e. the Russian Orthodox Church) have irreversibly destroyed ancient mural paintings of the German St.Katharina Church in Arnau (KÃnigsberg area, today occupied by Russia). Kirche Arnau - News. The Russians only seem to value history that suits them, otherwise they are behaving like vandals.
Why don't you open your real nickname, you fascist piece of shit?
Yes, the Internet IS a series of tubes. But the information is still carried by the little trucks that drive through these tubes!
The key word is "critical". Meaning - you don't have the comfort of using electricity as you like. There are devices in my household that are capable of running on a single AAA battery for several years, but it's definitely not my refridgerator, not my stove and not my computer. What do YOU do consider "critical"?
I'm sorry, wrote it in a hurry. The proper word is "subsidized", meaning the regenerative energy producers receive subventions to keep them going.
How do you survive through the winter with 15 kWh capacity, can you explain that?
I have bad news for you (sorry, not much found online except in German language): http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/ww... http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/... It's a literally giant installation, cost: 6 million euro (1.3million subventioned from the state), capacity: 5MWh, that's 250 euro worth of electricity stored. Life span - certainly not "decades", 10 years at most.
Great idea, but it has too many mistakes:
1. Most people in Germany do not have their own house, but live in rented apartments. They have no possibility to install any kind of power generator, renewable or not.
2. Even if you have your own house, you cannot install for example a wind turbine or a biogas tank - these are only allowed at a minimum distance to living areas.
3. So, the only option is the solar power, but its output is fluctuating, so you need capabilities to equalize it, either:
- keep a connection to the grid (which brings you back all kinds of taxes and fees back, also see the next point)
- have a battery storage - for a househould it would require a battery the size of a shipping container and cost 1-2 million euros and wear out within few years. Remember, you need a storage capacity to last through the winter, where there is barely any solar output.
- have a backup generator running on diesel or gas - possible to combine with a heating boiler, there are solutions on the market like that, but then again you will need to pay additional taxes for electricity generation from gas, pay for gas, deal with the waste heat when you don't need it and I don't think any solution will readily run without grid connection
4. Starting from this year, the regenerative energy produced for self-consumption will be also subject to the EEG surcharge (the money that goes to the subventioning the renewable energy production) in Germany.
When you realize that it's cheaper for you to live off the grid you will realize that it's cheaper not to live here at all.
All suppliers in Germany are abided by law to add taxation to the end-user prices. Taxes and fees, most prominently the renewables subvention fee were rising rapidly in the last years, while raw electricity price on the bill was slowly decreasing. Yes, all suppliers in Germany will be raising or at least holding prices, and the only criminal cartel involved here is the govenrment. Good luck investigating those guys.