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Dutch Intelligence Agents Watched Russia Hack the DNC (volkskrant.nl)
Long-time Slashdot readers Agilulf, Sara Chan, and wiredmikey -- plus an anonymous reader -- all submitted the same story. Agilulf writes:
Dutch hackers from AIVD (their intelligence agency) infiltrated Russian hackers, had access to their CCTV system, and followed them for more than a year, watched their attack on the DNC, provided the proof to the U.S. intelligence community that Russia was behind those hacks and the stolen emails, and were disappointed with the response from the U.S.
The Dutch agents also watched Russian agents breach a non-classified network at the U.S. State Department in 2014, where the Russians then sent a phishing email to the White House, successfully stole login credentials, and then accessed email from embassies and diplomats.
"Three American intelligence services state with 'high confidence' that the Kremlin was behind the attack on the Democratic Party," according to the article, which adds that that certainty "is derived from the AIVD hackers having had access to the office-like space in the center of Moscow for years."
The Dutch agents also watched Russian agents breach a non-classified network at the U.S. State Department in 2014, where the Russians then sent a phishing email to the White House, successfully stole login credentials, and then accessed email from embassies and diplomats.
"Three American intelligence services state with 'high confidence' that the Kremlin was behind the attack on the Democratic Party," according to the article, which adds that that certainty "is derived from the AIVD hackers having had access to the office-like space in the center of Moscow for years."
The only thing more ridiculous than the concocted and phony Russia narrative... ...is believing the Dutch have an intelligence operation sophisticated enough to hack the Russian intelligence operation.
1 : The DNC leak was done by Seth Rich and Hillary had him killed for it.
2 : WHO THE FUCK CARES where the leak came from, the content is what is important.
So the emails were real. Not fake.
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
Does this change anything about the undisputed authenticity of the emails we saw? No.
I want to say "I hope the DNC has learned a valuable lesson about email and network security," but that would imply I think the DNC is capable of learning from their mistakes.
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Russia (via Cozy or Fancy Bear) didn't leak the Podesta emails, Seth Rich did.
> behind those hacks and the stolen emails
No, the senders and authors were behind those stolen emails, the Russians just released them.
With all the shenanigans the leaders of the democrats deserved to lose.
Trump however didn't deserve to win.
If that was true they would have fixed whatever security hole within the first month, not sit there and get hacked for a whole year.
What does it matter who hacked the DNC? There's still no proof that this hack was the source of the emails given to Wikileaks, the legitimacy of the emails was never in dispute, and it's the contents of those emails that got them in trouble, not the hack.
The "Russia hacking scandal" was that they "hacked the election," a claim for which absolutely no evidence has been provided.
There's still no evidence that there is any tie between Russia and the Trump campaign, and this does nothing to further it.
This is a giant nothingburger. It tells us nothing and means nothing.
Who's next? North Korea? Iran? Syrian Electronic Army? We haven't heard that name in awhile hmm is the propaganda machine still running?
oh yes, lets not dare tell the truth
I think it's pretty good of wikileaks to let us know that shit.
If you want us to know the RNCs dirt maybe you should hack them.
Wait until Muller nails the Trumpers, then you will have to come up with another ludicrous propaganda lie, that nobody but RWNJS believe, being the most stupid gullible people on earth.
It was all state hacking to watch the state hackers hack states with state hacks on all sides!
Such hacks! Much state actors!
Many hacking! Total Gibson!
wow!
Donald J. Trump hates Hillary Clinton
Donald J. Trump collaborated with Putin to hack Hillary Clinton's email server
Donald J. Trump IS GUILTY AS HELL
Re-instate Hillary Clinton as President, now !
that certainty "is derived from the AIVD hackers having had access to the office-like space in the center of Moscow for years."
Or maybe the hackers used social engineering to convince the landlords that they worked for the Kremlin. Or freelance and sometimes work for the Kremlin, but not always. Or the office space isn't in fact always only for groups working for the Kremlin.
Personally I'm ambivalent about this entire situation, but dislike how everyone seems to be jumping to one conclusion or another.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
The Dutch are rather liberal so of course anything they say can't really be trusted.
#DeleteChrome
I have told you so. DUTCH rule is upon you!
There is a referendum upcoming in the Netherlands about massively expanding what the intelligence agencies are allowed to do. Any information about Dutch intelligence in the coming months should be viewed in that light. The government is trying to paint them in as positive light as possible. Given that nothing they say can be verified, be careful what you believe.
How does anyone know whether to believe any of this stuff any longer?
It seems to be that all these "cyber espionage" stories consist of impossible to verify leaks (intentional or otherwise) about other impossible to verify leaks. I guess it probably is true that some emails were leaked by someone, but after that everything could be no more true than the contents of a John le Carré novel and the latter would be a better read!
We were outraged, I tell you, to learn about Russian's hacking our systems - how could they! - while we were hacking their systems.
Note that the whole story is kind of regarded as a bullshit story in the Netherlands, due to certain unlikely premises and holes in it, aimed at getting new laws through a doubtful senate, which would give them much more power.
My favourite part of this story - which I heard retailed with a perfectly straight face by some BBC presenter - is the webcams with the nice view of Red Square. Because all highly secret Russian hackers must, by law, occupy rooms with a view of Red Square. Indeed, they are probably lodged in the Kremlin - just as the NSA has its offices in the White House.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
More bullshit from the shittiest country in the world, USA.
Give it up already, your credibility is zero and it's not coming back. This state is terminal.
I may be skeptical, but the timing of this disclosure is impeccable
Exactly. Net Neuterality failed, and that's one more avenue of usurped government decree that no longer exists. Now let's back off your strawman since I won the argument and continue to discuss the murder of Seth Rich, the murders of many who have surrounded the Clintons, and the lack of Clinton corruption investigations. Because we all know there's enough dirt on the Clinton Crime Syndicate to fill Lake Erie and then some.
Nah, you're a taint. And a traitor.
Don't do that. Lac Ontario doesn't deserve to see all of that filth flow over Niagara and then into its
beautiful waters.
Seth Rich lives Matter.
Do we see any mysterious deaths among the Russians for "hacking"?
Do we see any repercussions against the Dutch for enjoying the fancy
reality TV show of Russian's attacking the USA, an ally?
There is this little thing called NATO. An attack on one is an attack on
ALL. And yet that just let it happen.
So why aren't we going after the Dutch ourselves at the government
level?
Story smells bad.
The future proves the past.
Like pig season: year-round!
There's no proof behind any of those murders, only coincidence.
Hillary isn't the one trying to shut down any negative publicity of her, is she? That's Mr. Tramp, the reality star Russia elected as our president.
The free market doesn't mean the least government influence in the market. It means a market in which there is the most benefit for consumers. And net neutrality was beneficial in this way. Now the only winners will be ISPs, who will collude more and raise prices more to gouge American consumers more.
And George Papadopoulos boasted to diplomats about Russia having the email hack data months before it was leaked to Wikileaks, which explains his Moscow visit earlier in the year.
March 14th 2016 Trump names him foreign policy advsisor.
March 19th he meets the Russian agent in Italy.
March 21st the Russian do phishing emails to the DNC.
March 24, Trump boats of Papadopoulos his new foreign policy advisor.
March 31st, second meeting with the Russians, this time in London.
April 18th, Papdopoulos explains his contacts to Russians in a security meeting
April 26, Skype meeting with his Russian connection
April 27, he's told they have some dirt on Clinton, he emails a Trump campaign official saying Putin wants to invite them when the 'time is right'.
And on and on. co-ordinated treasonous attack on a democratic state.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-timeline-george-papadopoulos-indictment-20171030-htmlstory.html
The "Russian Hacking" didn't accomplish anything close to the
near civil war that we're having now over it.
Wake up people. You're are tools being played. Are Americans
that pathetic that an unsubstantiated hacking will destroy the
whole country?
There was a Twilight Zone episode where Aliens switched out
the lights and shut off a block of people. Then they sat back
and watched as chaos slowly erupted. The Aliens were
bemused by the results of their little experiment on Humans.
The "Russian Hackers" are laughing there asses off.
Maybe the "Dutch" too.
Snow flakes, you need to melt your stony hearts and clear the
dust out of your ears. Read the $%!#$ Wikileaks. Get a clue.
You're the ones
Making America Split Again.
Net "Neuterality" lol, fag.
This comment section makes CNN commenters look like Rhodes scholars.
Ok so if the US intelligence agencies knew the DNC had been hacked why didn't they do anything about it? Why didn't they tell the DNC there was a hacker in their network?
Were they worried about the hackers finding out that there was someone watching them and then shutting off that particular source of information? Was there some issue with a government agency sharing information with the operations of a political party during an election?
The other thing that hasn't been answered is why this happened. Why were the Russians interested in the DNC? Did Russia stand to gain something by influencing the election in a way that caused Hillary and the Democrats to lose?
Or else you're just spouting propaganda like everyone else.
you would be amazed... read the original article...and dont forget... we are at the AmX exchange...
My favorite quotes:
See that "Preview" button?
...Instead of taking responsability as a country for having elected the Donald
You realize that writing part of you post in Russian *greatly diminishes* your credibility. Right?
Where did all those Snowden for president sigs that once were so popular on /. go?
Njet!
Hillary is a bit less open about it, but after Seth Rich was murdered the others who knew stuff got the message. When Mueller gets an "accident" I'm ready to believe that Trump has gotten as dirty as Hillary.
> I think it has been said there were a few fake ones in between, or that there might be, but the breaki.n happened and was done by russians was never disputed.
Sure it has. We know Podesta got phished because there's a damned phishing email in the dump. Wikileaks claims to have gotten it from some other source, however. There's no clear evidence about who did it and no, don't point me at the Crowdstrike or Trend Micro reports, neither one presents anything worth mentioning in the way of proof. Trend Micro just says we agree with Crowdstrike's conclusions and Cloudstrike says this is clearly the APT for Fancy Bear, but oops, we didn't even bother to notice that our IPs are for TOR and we had no idea the old copy of P.A.S. we found was some Ukranian freeware. The "17 intelligence agencies" include the damned Coast Guard and the actual report, which nobody ever bothers to link to, doesn't draw any conclusions other than some hand-waivy things about how we think hacking us is totally something Russia would do. There's no actual, technical content whatsoever. All the reports are "sources say" whatever you want and nobody ever links to the damned reports because they're too embarrassing, all the links go to past coverage pulling the same wool over our eyes.
Now, as for the "there were a few fake ones" nobody has shown any evidence of that. In fact, Donna Brazille, who went on CNN to claim that was quickly proven to have lied when the emails were validated via DKIM. In older Slashdot comments, you can find out how to pull the key from Hillary's own damned DNS to validate that.
So enough propaganda. You guys keep repeating the same nonsense. My inside sources say that your inside sources are full of crap.
Right now, I'm just waiting until /pol uses /r/deepfakes to make a fake Trump porno tape to troll you guys again. It should be just a matter of time now.
Maybe, but it would have been the first world war caused by a woman. That must count for something.
Considering how the FBI was pro Clinton, and anti Trump at least in terms of what we know. Then you have the fact this all was happening under the Obama administration. One hast to wonder given the Dutch accounts how interested the Obama administration or the FBI was about any of this until Trump won? I guess it wasn't a big until until your candidate didn't win.
All you can know is that some email were stolen. NOTHING tells you that the email which were found later correspond to those stolen. And since most of that stuff is not encrypted, it is *trivial* to add fake stuff in it. There is no chain of custody. Any leaker stuff which is not covered by an encryption key in a separate place is *suspect*.
I also note that from all what is said,m all the hacking, all you retained "the email were [possibly] not fake" I can only say , i am betting you are one of those ultra partisan type which do not care as long as either their party wins, or more dirt is thrown at the other party.
This is truly why a two party system is toxic.
I have a very simple, and very pointed question.
What, exactly, are the hot, Top Secret contents of those emails?
Remember what the state department does - It has diplomats. They talk. They talk a lot. They have no need of Operationally Secure Information. And while a lot of spying goes on from diplomatic missions, the spy's chain of command does not run through the Department of State, nor do they use email. Think about what the State Department does. Then ask yourself, what kinds of secrets they will be a party to. EG: Who is who's mistress. Which children of what diplomats are doing drugs or other things that can be used against that diplomat. They don't get the nuclear launch codes - they have no need of them. They do not get troop movements, order of battle, or deployment orders. Again, they have no need to know.
Now, let us turn to the facts of the matter.
HRC used a private email sever under their control.
President Trump's daughter and son in law used Yahoo accounts, whose servers are not under their direct control. If you know anything about email systems, then you'll know that any Yahoo engineer could view the contents of those accounts by simply logging in with their credentials.
Was it wrong for HRC to use a private email server? Yes. Absolutely.
Was it wrong for others to use Yahoo accounts? Arguably even more stupid than what HRC did.
Let not your political desires affect your judgement. To put it like my grandmother used to say, if a shirt is dirty, then it's dirty. Don't try to convince yourself a mustard stain is any worse or better than a lobster bisque stain.
It's still dirty.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
Because Europeans are not your friends, dear US . This is a competitive world.
So, the Dems are reduced to the sales pitch of "we are easily phished"?
The crime of stealing and or obtaining the emails vs the crimes revealed by the emails. Im not happy with Trump admin, but i still think Hillary deserves to be hanged. Democrats who hate Trump, OK. Democrats who love Hillary or the Clintons? Not OK.
Yes.... I've known /. from when it was still inhabited by mostly intelligent people - albeit sometimes uninformed/misinformed ones -w.r.t. any topic at hand with whom one could have a debate based on logic. Not anymore... Since the 2016 election, the only kind of argument one sees here is "Crokked Hillary is shit" and "Stupid Trump is an idiot"
Or how /. went form being great to rubbish..Just like the entire country is doing (and has been doing for a while already)...
Lesbians would have gotten a chance to be raped in ensued anarchy, to fulfill their subliminal desires.
That's some kind of n1gger russian in latin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kajsa_Ollongren#Civil_service
"Ollongren started her career in the civil service at the Ministry of Economic Affairs, becoming a policymaker in the area of Central and Eastern Europe there in 1992, in which capacity she trained young political parties of the newly established democracies in the area."
So Ollongren has been part of the "color revolutions" in Eastern Europe. Her party D66 is part of ALDE Alliance Liberal Democrats Europe. Prominent ALDE members Verhofstadt en Van Baalen were present on Maidan to express their support for the coup.
You are a n1gger, and nobody cares what you think. Run for president and win if you want my attention, you useless noname piece of shit.
The Dutch have seen repercussions, there were serious hack attempts at several ministries and shortly before the elections all use of computers for the counting was banned because there were strong indications of Russian attempts to corrupt the system.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Second, I think a 'secret service' type of organization keeps its methods secret as much as possible. In this case they seem all to eager to broadcast their achievements.
If you read the story, they say they are now shut out of Cozy Bear's systems, so they don't have much to lose.
The end of the report also strongly suggests that the reason they are shut out is that the americans burned those methods.
The last paragraph of this report by another newspaper also suggests that not only did the americans burn those methods, but they did it on purpose to protect trump:
As of now, the AIVD hackers do not seem to have access to Cozy Bear any longer. Sources suggest that the openness of US intelligence sources, who in 2017 praised the help of a Western ally in news stories, may have ruined their operation. The openness caused great anger in The Hague and Zoetermeer. In the television programme College Tour, this month, AIVD director Bertholee stated that he is extra careful when it comes to sharing intelligence with the U.S., now that Donald Trump is President.
Yes, Africa is a shithole. Every single country. No exceptions. What about it?
Will say ... 'Fake News', 'Clinton Crime Syndicate', 'Pizza Gate', etc...
Anything to distract from the fact that they've been CONNED, SUCKERED and are fools for continuing to follow tRump.
Don't worry, the NSA, CIA and FBI will protect the republic from corrupt assholes in both parties.
The time of reckoning is coming and it is going to be glorious for those of us watching and horrendous for the republican party and any foolish Democrats that also took money from the russians.
It's called Eternal November.
DNC emails were leaked in the public interest, by an American! The democrats deserve every loss they suffer.
Here's hoping you asshole democrats lose every seat in the house! Unfortunately, tribal democrats outnumber tribal republicans, both sides proving that majority rule by idiots is not sustainable. And now the minority has to start a war to be heard. All of you should be forced to read Plato, for what good it would do...
What? You mean those stupid !@#$ing conspiracy theories about Seth Rich weren't real? You mean we should have listened to his own family telling us that the conspiracy theories were stupid and to please stop that !@#$?
Stupid !@#$ing conspiracy theories... And the stupid !@#$kers who believed them.... Who are currently trying to turn THIS into a conspiracy theory, because you know.... Who can trust the Dutch intelligence agencies, our own intelligence agencies, etc?
Argh! I'm so sick of morons believing stupid things in the face of obvious evidence. The damn Russians hacked our shit, and the idiots who say otherwise are traitors and morons as far as I'm concerned.
You mean road's collars.
................. Jesus Christ. Who believes this stupid conspiracy theory BS? Morons.
Never mind that this has NOTHING to do with Clinton's emails..... Moron conspiracy theorists can't even get the right thing to drivel about....
This is NOT just some Russian hackers! Government employees of Russia were doing this over a year and probably another government ALSO confirms this--- it took this long for us to even find out a 3rd party spy network confirmed it all. They know more than is FINALLY being disclosed -- and think about the damage this is doing: spy orgs do not want anybody to know what their capacity is because that weakens them. This is punishment for the Dutch - who sat back and watched it all happen leading to the disaster President the world worries about more than "rocket man."
Is your every waking moment consumed by hate? What a wretched life you must have. The truth is both political parties only want power, we would be no better off with the Democrats in power.
Hillary lost because of the type of person she is. The contents of the emails confirmed that she is a viscous liar who represented only herself.
Unless people wake up and learn to think for themselves, there is no hope for liberty going forward. The politicians on the left will enslave you just as surely as the ones you hate.
Can slashdot remove the obvious shill accounts and upvoters?
You seriously have NO option. There is no such thing as an open spy network or agency. It is not something you can treat like journalism. It is dangerous because it's secret but it's also powerful because it is secret.
The only time you learn anything is from a whistle-blower or from a political move. They leaked this true story because politicians have the motive and power to HARM their own spy agency in order to push an agenda. They do not make up stories like this unless you have a dictator or totally broken government (like the USA, where big lies go unpunished-- remember Bush's fake WMD; they knew they'd get caught, nothing happened.)
Opposition parties and patriotic public servants are the ONLY thing you have to prevent such things. The best you can do is have whistle-blower protections and a lot of diverse oversight.
This story is TRUE because it is the perfect example to leak for a political agenda; also, likely Russians are involved in trying to influence Dutch politics too. Using the truth is more powerful; lies can be discovered. Any disclosure harms AIVD but this harm is minimal and also makes AIVD look good. Sure, spin is always added -- these are politicians... but they don't need to add much spin on something that is perfectly suited to their needs. Politicians KNOW the truth is the best tool and how to add on spin and lies to "enhance" it.
They know MORE which is not getting out. It could be lame already well known IP camera hacks let them watch and ID every hacker by name -- and some kid tipped them off to it and they just had 1 person watch all the video the kid gave them to verify it all and that is the extent of their capacity... they won't tell you that. They could be staffed with morons who are too stoned to think clearly... but the Dutch government is probably in better shape than the USA... again, opposition etc. capitalizes on incompetence.
If Trump truly wants to make this country great again, he should start by leading the country away from eternal November..But he himself is still living in and trying to relive November 2016.
The reason Hillary lost the election was because her supporters were too concentrated in too few states.
When her husband ran for President in 1992 and 1996 he and his campaign understood what every 10th grade civics student knows, that we elect Presidents via the Electoral College, not popular vote.
Ken
In round numbers, how many immigrants in the visa lottery are from North Korea?
The infamous 'sh!thole countries' comment was with regard to countries involved in the diversity lottery.
Ken
I'm still amazed that the hackers were able to penetrate Podesta's iron wall of security on his gmail account - I mean he used a totally secure password of "password". Seriously, he couldn't even add a capital "P"?
Democrats all but encouraged the hacking of their servers - not actually, but nearly - as demonstrated by their weak security practices.
Ken
The fact that Crooked Hillary is shit" and "Stupid Trump is an idiot" can be symptoms of "eternal November" says a lot about the US electoral system and US election campaign habits. And what it says it's not sounding good.
The only Russian words I know are "dos vadanya", and that's only because they said it in every cold war movie of the 80s.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Crapped out by Russians, promoted by more Russians, swallowed by dumb Americans.
Russian troll! Another example of Trumpâ(TM)s/Putinâ(TM)s troll army at work!
And so delusional that you can't even recognize when someone is mocking you!
Get help. Really. You need CLINICAL help.
Slashdot editors: Please leave that kind of waffle to Faux News. What is this neocon waffle doing on slashdot. Notice this is from some ' intelligence agency' the same kind of people that produced the Trump golden shower dossier. The only evidence being produced here is of the deep state manipulating public opinion. I don't believe Dutch hackers bugged Russian hackers, you see the Russian FSB isn't as incompetent as their US counterpart.
This incredibly explosive "stuff" is... what... that the party leadership picks favorites and arranges things to promote them? Who didn't know this?
Which is not to say the selective phishing and leaking of one party's dirty laundry didn't have it's intended effect - massive press coverage leading to couple percentage points swing in the following election.
It isn't hard to understand. It isn't a tactic that hasn't been used before. The people who employed this tactic, certainly understood it, and are enjoying its runaway success while our government is paralyzed and becoming even more useless than it was. The only one who doesn't understand it... is you. So is that a crippling amount of willful ignorance, or paid shilling? The first would actually be worse. At least the second has some kind of rational self-interest, however shortsighted it might be to destroy ones own country.
If only unicode on Slashdot worked so effectively.
Lol, because Hillary would have been the die woman to run a country in the history of the world? There have countless wars started by women running countries. Don't be so naive to think that for one second if America elected a woman president that there would any firsts in history other than America having a female president. Don't take my word for it, Google whatever you think Hillary would been the first woman in history running a country would have done, and see how many Monarchs have done it before.
It has everything to do with Hillaryâ(TM)s unsecured email server. But for the DNC leak, weâ(TM)d never know that the email server existed, or that Stonetear was trying to scrub VIP addresses from his logs, before the server was wiped. We now know President Obama himself emailed at least 20 Special Access Program documents and had his own account. If Hillary goes down, Obama goes down. Therefore everyone has to go into defense mode. A prosecution will expose it, so there canâ(TM)t be a real investigation or even a crime. Thatâ(TM)s why Comey and Strzok scrubbed âoegrossly negligentâ and wrote the result before the first interview (which was conducted by Strzok, the one whoâ(TM)s texts are now being discovered). Thereâ(TM)s your conspiracy and textbook obstruction of justice.
The lede is being buried here. The friggin story is that the DNC had their friggin hand on the scale, not just their thumb, for HRC.
However, the excuse being offered for the "sh!thole" remark is that it was referring to the poverty of the countries, not their ethnicity. In which case, yes indeed, North Korea would fall into the "Trump sh!thole class", even though North Koreans are not emigrating to the U.S.
Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
What I think you're missing is that anyone nominated by the Democrats would have had the same number of negatives. The worst they could come up with were emails and Benghazi, two minor to moderate issues that Trump outdid in the first ten seconds of his campaign.
Hillary's problems were pretend, but the Republicans are awesome at pretend problems. Democrats think the answer is correcting the lies. It isn't. You'll never win at that game. It takes a thousand times the effort to debunk than it does to tell. It's a denial of service attack.
Obama gave people hope and change. Trump, in a comic book villain way, offered the exact same thing. Just focus on that and ignore that the Republicans and their incredibly efficient bullshit machine exist.
Collusion and collaboration isn't necessary - all that is necessary is INTENT to solicit foreign aid/items of value for an election campaign - that itself is illegal and crime, and has already been demonstrated by the emails between them.
Are you referring to Trump or Hillary soliciting? Because both solicited information from Russian sources through British intermediaries.
In the Hillary case they paid a strategic intelligence company who offered a former British MI6 agent with good ties to Russian intelligence to get dirt on Trump from the Russians.
In the Trump case a British publicist wanted to set up a meeting with a Russian lawyer who claimed to have dirt on Hillary.
Hey, buddy, it's OK, we were all 22 and libertarians at one point, but what you're doing is getting frustrated at the complexity of the problem and trying to simplify it to libertarianism, which certainly is much simpler and dumber and comfortable to think about. But please read more about the underlying issues before commenting.
badmouth not blackmouth. Don't you do an English spell check before you post?
Go die loser
...And you think libertarianism is impractical? It sounds like you're the one clinging to fantasies: the fantasy of a benevolent government.
With your terrible broken English, one would almost get the sense that you're the most likely candidate for being a Russian.
There is nothing but animated story for in that linked article. C'mon, at least in the movies they show telnet ping screens which is more believable!
The MSM has reported so many lies about Trump. There has also been excessive spin, lies by omission, and laughable sensationalism.
Let's get some names and put people under oath. Let's see some videos.
BTW: when is a story about Trump "news for nerds?"
Even *if* there was any evidence to support this Russian hacking story, that *still* would not implicate Trump.
To implicate Trump, you have to prove that Trump himself was somehow part of the hacking (duh).
And good luck proving that. If Russia wanted the hack the DNC, why would they need to conspire with citizen Trump?
Just because you don't like somebody, does not mean that person is guilty of treason.
> In the Hillary case they paid a strategic intelligence company who offered a former British MI6 agent with good ties to Russian intelligence to get dirt on Trump from the Russians.
Again - lying by omission.
Isn't it also known that the RNC started giving money to this strategic intelligence company to get dirt on Trump, which was then taken up by DNC and others?
So posting AC to provide a challenge (Hallo oud collega's, YYMMDD658 zal we genoeg hint zijn.).
All I can say is "Hahahahahaha". :-) and also, beautifully executed!
lmao yes, the brave Slashdot will surely save the world...
This is a news item carefully crafted to hide the fact that Dutch intelligence saw Russian hackers attack the DNC in 2014, not during the 2016 elections. Unbelievable the level of propaganda we are getting blasted with every day. No source is immune to peddling this shit!
TFA contains no supporting quotes and no attribution. You know, the little details that supposedly separate "journalism" from "fiction". In fact, it concludes with this statement:
"The AIVD declined to respond to de Volkskrant's findings."
Down with democracy in the Netherlands! Hurrah for government by unelected nomenklatura beholden to big capital alone!
New theory:
Slashdot, because it has the most sophisticated and robust moderation system of any major internet forum, has become a sort of R&D battleground for the rapidly evolving art of information warfare.
All the major and many of the minor geopolitical players have their 50 cent armies marshalled here. Yet many of us civilians - of varying degrees of disinterestedness - also remain.
It is our "hearts and minds" that the information warriors seek to win.
I went to Starbucks this morning, and VLADIMIR PUTIN made the barrista give me LUKEWARM COFFEE! Curse those meddling Rooskies!!!1!
You clueless idiot, how can you be on the internet and not realise there were regulations before 2015?
It's like you're claiming that because there was no common carrier of packets there was no Internet...
Utter foolishness.
> In the Hillary case they paid a strategic intelligence company who offered a former British MI6 agent with good ties to Russian intelligence to get dirt on Trump from the Russians.
Again - lying by omission. Isn't it also known that the RNC started giving money to this strategic intelligence company to get dirt on Trump, which was then taken up by DNC and others?
The Republican never Trumper's paid for it during the primaries. Hillary and the DNC paid for it during the general election.
Where is the lie by omission. There is no refutation of solicitation by Trump nor Hillary. You merely identify a third group. The third group adds to the first two, it does not exonerate either of the first two.
..and the hack of Podesta's laptop via phishing.
We already knew this and we already knew the FBI/DNC *IGNORED* it.
The US is the only shithole that thinks it isn't one. It's kind of cute, but also a terrible embarrassment to itself.
There were already rules and regulations in place. Right wing idiots like you fought against them so the FCC had to get involved to make them stronger. Then you decided to cry about it and fight those rules too.
Just like you're fighting against net neutrality now when places try to make rules again after you dismantled the old rules.
You just don't understand, the 2015 rules replaced the rules from before, removing the 2015 rules won't go back to before because the before rules were ruled invalid dummy. It can't go back to before, there will have to be something different but you're too partisan and stupid to realise.
Lesbians would have gotten a chance to be raped in ensued anarchy, to fulfill their subliminal desires.
Dumbass, their desire is to rape YOU
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What a load of manure. First, it's Dutch intel for god's sake.
Next, they supposedly showed that the Russians lacked [Hillary's?] set-up and got from it precious secret info re State Dept passwords, etc.....AND YOU GUYS WONDER THAT THERE WAS NO OFFICIAL US RESPONSE???!!! What should the US have said to the world about this.....OTHER THAN NOTHING?
R U guys alive or are you bots?
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Or nobody hacked the DNC. Or the DNC hacked itself. Or DNC hacked Dutch hackers that hacked the Russian hackers that hacked the DNC. Or Russian hackers hacked the Dutch hackers hacking the DNC. Maybe enough of this junk already?
Actually, it's "do svidaniya" - something like "see ya", but more formal, and literally means 'until [we] see [again]', "until we [meet] again"; the same as "Auf wiedersehen" in German, and "au revoir" in French.
The reason Hillary lost the election was because her supporters were too concentrated in too few states.
When her husband ran for President in 1992 and 1996 he and his campaign understood what every 10th grade civics student knows, that we elect Presidents via the Electoral College, not popular vote.
I think you could fit Hillary's supporters in a football stadium. The vast majority of people who voted for her held their noses and voted against Trump. Had the Democrats nominated just about anyone other than Hillary they would have won.
That wouldn't help much, would it? https://www.merriam-webster.co...
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.