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Russian Trolls Created Facebook Events Seen By More Than 300,000 Users (cnn.com)

"Posing as American activists, Russian government-linked trolls created 129 Facebook events between 2015 and 2017," writes CNN. An anonymous reader quotes their report: On multiple occasions, the events prompted real Americans to take to the streets. In a written statement Facebook gave to the Senate Intelligence Committee released on Thursday, the social media network said that the events created by one Kremlin-linked troll group were seen by more than 300,000 Facebook users. About 62,500 users marked that they would attend the event, and an additional 25,800 expressed an interest in attending.

Facebook told Congress it does "not have data about the realization of these events," but CNN has previously found evidence that the Russian group successfully convinced Americans to attend the demonstrations. The events were organized on a range of divisive issues and were designed to pit Americans against each other.

"The company also told Congress it had removed Kaspersky Lab from a list of free anti-virus offerings it provides users."

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  1. Lolz by benjfowler · · Score: 1, Insightful

    On what planet did Putin and his cronies think the West wouldn't throw the kitchen sink at them in retaliation for the election hack?

    Did these mongs REALLY think they could hold us off forever simply by gaslighting us on Twitter? ("there is no proof of collusion, there is no proof of hacking, whatabout this, whatabout that, etc etc). So fucking stupid.

    The arrogance and naivete defies belief.

    1. Re:Lolz by AHuxley · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What "election hack?"?
      One US political leader went to more parts of the USA and gave good speeches the people in that state responded to.
      During the election they voted. The votes got counted and the vote got observed by party officials. People recalled who visited their state and gave a good speech.
      People recalled who stayed in the costal states and did not give good speeches.
      Be nice to more people all over the USA and win an election. No "election hack" needed.
      Just find a candidate who can give a long speech and has something to say thats positive in different parts of the USA.
      Voters all over the USA responded to a candidate they liked. A candidate who did not take the time to get to know their state did not win that state.

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    2. Re:Lolz by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Jesus how long did you have to wait for that first post. You seem to fail to grasp the better the first post, the more likely a paid US government propagandist. Yeah the US government staged coups and murdered millions, when Russia does that in the US, then complain otherwise STFU. The US deep state is disgusting, murderous filth, held in contempt globally by all reasonable people.

      Don't first post morons, you makes you look really stupid and like you have no idea what so ever about the history of /. but keep in up, the stupid just exudes. Bloody arts students, always a pain. I will always remeber in university how the quite and peaceful the STEM https://study.com/academy/less... and how chaotic and noisy the arts and social sciences were, it was always peaceful to travel across to the STEM side. But hey, keep it up first post propagandist, woo hoo, first post, ijiot.

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  2. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by benjfowler · · Score: 2

    It's not a witchhunt.

  3. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Antiocheian · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a CNN.COM article.

  4. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    That's right, it's a feeding frenzy. Definitely draws a crowd.

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  5. Re:Beautiful by benjfowler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's the dirty secret -- propaganda and astroturfing works. Social media is a dream come true for the practitioners of the Soviet-style dark arts of mass brainwashing and information-attack.

    Which makes the fecklessness and arrogance of the social media barons ("this time it's differet", "the Internet changes everything") all the more galling. They sniffed their own techno-libertarian farts, believed their own bullshit, and then, due to their obstinate refusal to come to terms with the destructive power of their platforms, nearly destroyed the republic.

    I'm not holding my breath, waiting for fucking idiots like Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg to wake up. I'm out. If Russian and Chinese security-state fascists are given a free pass to attack us, really the only thing we can do is opt out and do the only thing we can do individually to make things as hard as possible for the enemy.

  6. Re:How many by benjfowler · · Score: 2

    You are deflecting.

    Deflection is a Russian propaganda tactic.

  7. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That is how propaganda works. You keep repeating a lie and eventually it will become the truth. This is standard propaganda 101 so please keep up :P

  8. Chill by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On what planet did Putin and his cronies think the West wouldn't throw the kitchen sink at them in retaliation for the election hack?

    Did these mongs REALLY think they could hold us off forever simply by gaslighting us on Twitter? ("there is no proof of collusion, there is no proof of hacking, whatabout this, whatabout that, etc etc). So fucking stupid.

    The arrogance and naivete defies belief.

    First of all, chill. The purpose was to get people riled up and divisive, and by being outraged you are playing into their hand.

    Furthermore, if you are outraged don't propagate by posting about it - that just amplifies the effect.

    Secondly, does this de-ligitimize at least one major riot here in the US? Was there (at least) one instance where US people did not feel strongly enough to protest, but were egged on by outside influences?

    Doesn't that mean that there is *less* discontent in the US than what might be inferred from protests?

    1. Re:Chill by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      Just spelling out some home truths for some of our Putinist friends here.

    2. Re:Chill by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Are you being a posterchild for divisiveness ironically, or is it just a 24/7 state of being for you?

    3. Re:Chill by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      If being forced to choose between not being divisive, or punching a fascist -- I'll punch the fascist.

    4. Re:Chill by Boronx · · Score: 1

      We sure wouldn't want to create any divisiveness with foreign powers who want to manipulate our elections.

    5. Re:Chill by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

      First of all, chill. The purpose was to get people riled up and divisive, and by being outraged you are playing into their hand.

      If Americans can stop calling each-other Nazis and snowflakes, and instead unite around Fuck Putin, I'm okay with that.

  9. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

    I don't think the user base here is heavily leaning (at least not to the extent that most online communities are) in one direction or the other based on comments posted here, though I suppose you could claim that the editors have a particular leaning.

    I suspect that they post these articles not out of any particular political allegiance, but simply because they get more traffic and therefor generate more revenue.

  10. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The US would be a land of harmony and zero social division, governed perpetually by enlightened Democrats who are our intellectual superiors, if only Russia hadn't bought 100k worth of Facebook ads.

  11. Devil Made Me Do It by mentil · · Score: 1

    If the Devil lights your cigarette, can you blame him when you choose to inhale?

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    1. Re:Devil Made Me Do It by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

      If the devil engages in a multi-billion dollar campaign designed to call into question the dangers of cigarette smoking while targeting mentally vulnerable people for said campaign then, yes. Yes you can.

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    2. Re:Devil Made Me Do It by bmo · · Score: 1

      >mentally vulnerable people

      The American Public are retards? That's your argument?

      >looks at Trump

      I think you have a point.

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  12. Sounds like fun... by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    I can see someone doing that just for shits and giggles... and there are many of those folks. Lolz

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  13. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    Impressive, how many lies you've managed to cram into one sentence. Going for the world record, son?

    Russia spends upwards of $US1b on computation propaganda and information warfare every year. We know that the FSB is emptying out Russian universities of anybody who can contribute to their information warfare campaign. It has been noticed. And it won't go unpunished.

  14. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And there are zombie accounts that hatch like little reptiles with modpoints. It's how creimer gets his spam links modded up. It's also why all of the sensible posts are modded down.
     
    Notice how two years ago you could say something and not be modded down purely because someone disagreed you? Remember two years ago when all the stories were actual attempts at tech news and not biased anti-Russian spam?

  15. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Parent posts demonstrating the two truths and a lie technique. The reddit-style one sentence per line formatting makes it a weaker post than it could have been, so take care to learn from his mistakes.

  16. Re:All skeptics are Russian trolls by hey! · · Score: 1

    Believing a different source uncritically doesn't make you a skeptic. It just makes you another kind of fool.

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  17. Re:All skeptics are Russian trolls by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    Uhhh, it's called media literacy. You might have heard of it?

  18. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well I appreciate it because it confirms a personal belief I've been holding since the elections: Russia (the nation.. not the "people") has been playing both sides of the board. A divided USA would be nothing but beneficial to them. A new civil war (wishful thinking on their part) would be a wet dream come true. The same assholes you see screaming about Trump are the same assholes you see screaming about Clinton. Both sides want to create bandwagons to "stop" the other.

  19. Or just old by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    it's a fact that as people age they lose mental facilities. It's called "Age related cognitive decline' and there's a lot of effort going into studying it. Thing is, most folks think about people getting older and jump straight to Grandpa forgetting where his keys are style Alzheimers. But there's a huge range in the amount of decline. Grandpa might know where his keys and he might know the different between reality and fantasy on a moment to moment basis, but his critical thinking skills might have atrophied to the point where he has trouble questioning his biases.

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    1. Re:Or just old by bigwheel · · Score: 1

      It also happens in the other direction. According to http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2...

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      These days, a consensus of neuroscientists agree that brain development likely persists until at least the mid-20s – possibly until the 30s.

      The fact that our brains aren’t developed until the mid 20s means that “legal adults” (those age 18+) are allowed to make adult decisions, without fully mature brains. Someone who is 18 may make riskier decisions than someone in their mid-20s in part due to lack of experience, but primarily due to an underdeveloped brain. /Quote

  20. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    Apples and oranges, son.

    Transparent public diplomacy, and Russian-style covert information warfare are completely different. The US budget for that kind of public outreach is a miniscule fraction of Russia's spend on covert information warfare.

    It's completely pointless comparing the two.

  21. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by benjfowler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not? Russia's information warfare campaign is fascination and world-changing, and VERY interesting to nerds. After all, most of the vectors of Putin's information assault on the West are enabled by the Web and social media.

  22. So.. by fred911 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some make believe accounts made some make believe events that other accounts (make believe or not) said they were going.

      "not have data about the realization of these events," WFT, CNN?

      A reporter reports about half the story, how hard can it be to research if these said "events" were real or not? My guess, none ever happened. But, isn't a quality news report one that has the complete story? This report isn't sufficiently researched to have any utility besides stirring the pot.

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    1. Re:So.. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      If you just finished reading the sentence you quoted...

      but CNN has previously found evidence that the Russian group successfully convinced Americans to attend the demonstrations

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  23. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    LIke the 20k emails? Or maybe the server that should not have existed? How about the dude deleting emails that should not have been? The smashed phones? Or the emails that talk about blaming russia? Or the billions missing from haiti?

    As fun and serious as watching that?

  24. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    NICE!! you wont find much unbaised posts here. US propaganda = GOOD, Russian propaganda = BAD.

    But i'm with you and do love these posts.. as you said, the US has been doing the exact same thing for decades against many countries, but the US citizens seem to have a serious issue when it is done to them? They didnt seem to mind having decent democratically elected leaders thrown out to bring in tyrants in the name of "freedom".

  25. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    The West doesn't carpet bomb entire villages with dumb ordinance, WW2-style like the Russians do.

    Go figure.

  26. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    Hey, don't like it? TOO BAD.

    The world doesn't owe Russia "fairness" or "respect". Russia is NOT equal to the West. Russia is a pissant with terrible demographics, rampant crime and corruption, and an economy smaller than Italy's.

    In what universe does Russia get to demand to be "equal" to America?? Dream on!!

    Russia gets no respect, because it is run by a bloodthirsty fascist who is morally depraved on just about every axis you want to compare with the West.

    Attacking us won't earn you respect either. It'll earn you an epic punishment beating (which is coming your way, mark my words), but NO respect.

    We're not going to turn around after years of Putin's fascist bullshit and say, "O great Putin! Forgive us! We are not worthy! You are our equal!". Doesn't work that way. And BOY, are these arrogant Russian wankers who think that in for a rude awakening!

    Stamping your feet and holding your breath like an angry toddler does not change facts.

  27. 300,000, That's it? by OYAHHH · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Look, I'll admit I'm a rank amateur up front. But I reached 1,000,000 eyeballs during the 2016 election.

    If the Ruskies can only pull off 300,000 eyeballs then I am pretty damn impressed with myself.

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    1. Re:300,000, That's it? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      300k is just the fake events that apparently some Americans did actually attend. The number of people who saw Russian posts is higher.

      Anyway, eyeballs are not a good metric. Influence is, but influence is hard to measure. This story is very significant because it appears that there is evidence that people definitely were influenced to the point of attending protests organized by Russia.

      We are slowly moving towards acceptance. First it was "this never happened", then it was "the posts only reached a few hundred people", after that "no one was actually influenced by this stuff".

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    2. Re:300,000, That's it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      300k is just the fake events that apparently some Americans did actually attend. The number of people who saw Russian posts is higher.

      Anyway, eyeballs are not a good metric. Influence is, but influence is hard to measure. This story is very significant because it appears that there is evidence that people definitely were influenced to the point of attending protests organized by Russia.

      We are slowly moving towards acceptance. First it was "this never happened", then it was "the posts only reached a few hundred people", after that "no one was actually influenced by this stuff".

      How can you attend a fake event? Either the event never happened and some people online were tricked into thinking it did, or the event happened.

  28. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by cfalcon · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sigh.

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    Good fucking grief, the party-rah-rah-rah in this. Your 2018 is going to be as disappointing as your 2016.

  29. Um, Russian trolls are posting here Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Read the post histories of some of the folks on these threads where Mueller, Russia, Trump are involved and try to guess who is associated with Russia propaganda mills. Then go look at the user histories. You think there isn't Russian propaganda active today on /.?

    1. Re:Um, Russian trolls are posting here Slashdot by benjfowler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're not the only one to notice this. There's a fuckton of it. Slashdot is definitely being targeted.

    2. Re:Um, Russian trolls are posting here Slashdot by Red+Herring · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I used to post and interact here a lot, but this place has gone the way of reddit and r/theDonald... sad to see a once-relevant tech site get so taken over by politics and shit-posters. Between this and the "5G IS BEING SOCIALIZED OMG FEAR THE CHINESE" article above... wow. Just, wow.

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  30. Re:Who's really responsible for the events "succes by benjfowler · · Score: 2

    So somebody scams your grandparents of their life savings (and your inheritance).

    Who are you going to blame for that?

    These people were scammed by sophisticated Russian military information-warfare outfits. How are people, who are unaware of the fascist threat, going to defend themselves against that?

  31. Re:Who's really responsible for the events "succes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    >Call me crazy, but no one forced these people to go to these events

    Please. Obviously nobody was forced, noone said that anyone was.

    They were manipulated. Sounds a bit like you have been too.

  32. Re:Why is Hillary not in prison? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Informative

    The war in Syria is about a Natural Gas Pipeline that the west wants and Russia does not.

  33. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

    Nice deflection attempt. Try harder, though.

  34. STOP WITH THE RUSSIA STUFF by AbRASiON · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Jesus christ.

    This story never ends, Russia did this, Russia did that, always very little or circumstantial evidence, or something like "up to 6 fake accounts were made, with over 32 followers!"

    Unless something significantly concrete, ground slamming and thorough comes out which outright proves some kind of real huge conspiracy, then all this looks like is crazy people on a witch hunt.

    FUTHERMORE even if it were real, it's up to people to vote with their conscience / brain, assuming they have one.

    On top of this, even IF the Russia email hack Hillary thing is real (or was Russians) the point should be the bloody evidence revealed, don't play the distraction game, if her emails clearly proved she was a liar or trouble or whatever (I don't even know what it was) why are we desperately trying to look the other way?

    Note: NOT an American, didn't even vote in your election and I know Trump is an idiot, but the republicans didn't win your election, the fucking democrats lost it by omitting Bernie.

    So tired of this political stuff on /., what next? Another in depth article about how every single white male programmer is without question a rapist or something?

    1. Re:STOP WITH THE RUSSIA STUFF by benjfowler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just because you're ignorant of the facts doesn't mean it isn't happening.

      Bots have flooded the internet with comments very similar to yours, repeatedly insisting that "there is no evidence" of Russian criminality in attacking US elections. Well, unfortunate, because there's a crushing amount of evidence. Why hell, Russian hackers in Cozy Bear were caught red-handed by the Dutch -- the stupid motherfuckers helpfully left an IP camera running, so we now know the identities of most of the hackers and intelligence officers involved.

      There IS evidence of Russian wrongdoing, on a scale that amounts to an act of war. You cannot deny it.

    2. Re:STOP WITH THE RUSSIA STUFF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Obviously it was liberals that were conned into attending these events / protests. Conservatives rarely demonstrate because they're too busy WORKING.

    3. Re:STOP WITH THE RUSSIA STUFF by careysub · · Score: 1

      No demonstrations in Charlottesville at all, no siree.

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    4. Re:STOP WITH THE RUSSIA STUFF by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why hell, Russian hackers in Cozy Bear were caught red-handed by the Dutch

      At the risk of being called a troll (look at my posting history and tell me if I am one), but for that there really is no proof.

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    5. Re:STOP WITH THE RUSSIA STUFF by johannesg · · Score: 1

      Do you honestly believe that Russian hackers not only had an internet-connected camera running inside their national spying agency, but in fact had it aimed so you could see the Red Square? Because while that may make perfect sense in a movie, it really doesn't in real life.

      And why would the Dutch give away such a massive advantage? Why not just keep spying? Ah wait, let me answer that: because in the Netherlands there is a lot of discussion at the moment about a new law that would massively increase the powers of this very same agency to spy on its own citizens.

      And on top of that... Why weren't the Americans warned of this ongoing hack attack? Don't believe all this crap, it's all BS...

  35. Re:Who's really responsible for the events "succes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Was there some "bait and switch" thing going on here?

    The goal is to cause chaos. The bait-and-switch approach is that you take advantage of a shocking event (mass shooting, disaster, etc) and let loose your army of bots to organize protests with 100,000 followers on one side, and an opposing event with 100,000 followers on the other side.

    If nothing happens, meh, it cost you nothing except paying some guys in St. Petersburg to shitpost. Try again after the next shocking event.

    If you get lucky, you get 500 protestors on one side of the street, and 500 counterprotestors on the other side of the street, and they start throwing insults, bricks, and molotovs at each other.

    Then you sit back and enjoy the chaos you've created -- not just the localized disruption of the riot but the fact that everybody you lured into a riot leaves with hardened feelings against their opposition.

    Lather, rinse, repeat. More chaos, more violence, and maybe you get really lucky and kick off a civil war. Your greatest geopolitical adversary basically punches itself in the face and off the global stage while you sit back and way "Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself!"

    Look upthread -- notice that some of the ACs are vehemently supporting one side of the story, and some of them are just as vehemently supporting the other side. Maybe only a few of them are actual information warfare guys. But it only takes a few to get the rest of the ACs (sincere readers with partisan opinions) to tear at each other's throats.

    Basically, they're doing this in real life: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/trollbait-nobody-is-right

    And they're going to keep on doing it as long as it continues to work.

  36. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's a fucking witchhunt generated by a secret society of FBI agents (their fucking words) and paid for by Democrats. It's never been remotely POSSIBLY true. If you weren't so blinded by bias, you'd stop and think for a moment: what would Trump or Putin gain by actually colluding?

    1. The words you are quoting were a joke. They recovered the other emails to prove it. People like you who stretch tiny things like a single text message into vast conspiracies really need to get mental help, or at least change to some slightly more ethical job.

    2. Putin hated Hillary. Trump was seen as more useful to Putin's goals and he has been particularly useful. I'm not going to list them all, but needless to say Putin thinks he can get by with more on Trump's watch.

    Trump is pushing protectionism and isolationism. That is just perfect for Putin's agenda. Given that it is quite likely that Trump is deeply in dept to Russia, given what we know he is hiding, well, I'd say Putin is smiling.

    Hell Trump is single handedly doing his damn-est to destroy rule of law and freedom of the press to protect himself. If America is not a shining example, well that is better for his own purposes. People will complain less internally if they look less bad by comparison.

  37. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Wipe that froth off your chin, motherfucker.

  38. Re:How many by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Jack Ryan? I thought you were a fictional character.

  39. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    Hahah, got you there, didn't I!

    You have no answers, because deep down, you know it's true.

  40. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by penandpaper · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Four Trump campaign and administration officials have been charged with serious crimes.

    For lying either after the election or crimes long before the election. Which makes the special investigation moving beyond the original intent and your next point rather moot.

    Donald Trump committed treason with Russia, and committed obstruction of justice in his cover-up.

    The investigation about Trump Russian collusion only has arrests for things that never occurred during the election in which said collusion was supposed to happen. You know it's a witch because the scope has moved beyond "Trump Russia collusion during the election". Now, it's about "find any dirt and use that hopefully to impeach Trump when our team takes the congress". IOW, dirty politics and the same bullshit that has haunted every special investigation that has ever been convened.

    There is most certainly a witch hunt because the original special investigation has moved well beyond "Trump Russian Collusion". Until the facts come out, the FBI, the special investigation, have had their reputation tarnished because of shit people like Strozk and Page.

    You are a piece of shit anonymous coward pushing an agenda that gives zero shits about the rule of law when you brandish words like "treason" and "traitor" without giving a fuck about the fruit of the poison tree.

  41. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    I learnt from the masters -- the Russian troll army.

    *bows*

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  43. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by bmo · · Score: 2

    But we do carpet bomb them with smart ordinance, like cluster bombs. Cluster bombs where the bomblets look like toys to children. So when it's unexploded ordnance, they can play with the bomblets. Until they go boom.

    So that's different, right?

    But they hate us for our freedoms.

    "They're American bombs. They hug you to death." -- Jimmy Dore

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  44. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by benjfowler · · Score: 2

    Russian information warriors definitely play both sides -- to the level of ridiculousness.

    They were caught organising riots in Baltimore, by having trolls (sitting in the same room!), posing as both BLM activists and alt-right skinheads simultaneously, trying to organise civil unrest.

    It's simply unbelievable what America in general -- and social media bosses in particular -- are allowing Putin and his vile regime to get away with.
    Heads must roll.

  45. The adults who gave us 17 years of perpetual war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The adults who wage drone strikes and blow up civilians routinely and call it "collateral damage."

    The adults who implemented the largest spying apparatus in world history and directed it against the public?

    The adults who loot and plunder the savings and livelihood of the people through the Federal Reserve, then steal nearly 1/3 of our income to pay the interest to the bankers?

    What a swell group!

  46. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by bmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm a libtard.

    The Hillary viewpoint with the DNC and Podesta Emails boils down to this:

    "We would have won if those meddling kids didn't expose our lies"

    It's literally something out of Scooby Doo.

    Trump and trumpism isn't the result of the goddamned Russians, it's the result of 40+ years of stultification of the American Public. Ever since the Southern Strategy. The Republicans have been courting the idiots ever since then, and don't fucking argue this point with me, because it was Nixon's own words as to what rubes he was going after.

    And ever since then, they've become the Republican Base.

    Gone are the Barry Goldwaters. The GOP (grand?) is now composed of grifters, wannabes, assholes, racists, and tools. Since this matches much of the American Public, it's no wonder that Trump won, because he is all of that, and more.

    And what gets me is that the Democrats should be /hammering/ the Republicans on policy. Except that it's "Russia Russia Russia." Which the American Public doesn't give two shits about. So we have tools like Tom Perez in charge of the party, someone who would stab you in the back (politically) as much as look at you.

    No platform. No policy. Just skulduggery.

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  47. Re:300,000 people!?!?! by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    Data-driven microtargeted propaganda, run off incredibly detailed and sophisticated models populated with data stolen from American voter databases and social media. Incredibly powerful, unbelievably accurate. It was like a scalpal.

    The Putlerists hit America with an information superweapon that was every bit as powerful as Stuxnet -- perhaps moreso.

    Last February, a top Russian cyber official told a security conference in Moscow that Russia was working on new strategies for the “information arena” that would be equivalent to testing a nuclear bomb and would “allow us to talk to the Americans as equals.”

    Andrey Krutskikh, a senior Kremlin adviser, made the startling comments at the Russian national information security forum, or “Infoforum 2016,” held Feb. 4 and 5. His remarks were transcribed by a Russian who attended the gathering and translated for me by an independent European cyber expert.

    Krutskikh’s comments are important because they may help explain the radical strategic doctrine that underlies Russia’s hacking and attempted manipulation of the 2016 presidential campaign in America, as well as Russian political subversion in Europe. His title is “special representative of the president for international cooperation in the field of information security.”

    These fascists know EXACTLY what they're doing.

  48. Re:How many by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    Try harder mate.

  49. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    All good -- we've got evidence of China's complicity with Russia's fascist schemes. You've been rumbled.

  50. Re:Saudis, Israel and US Deep State in collusion by benjfowler · · Score: 1

    Typical Russians -- accuse your opponents of doing what you're doing.

    General rule of thumb with Russian propagandists: "whoever smelt it, dealt it".

  51. Re:Beautiful by bmo · · Score: 1

    >Social media is a dream come true for the practitioners of the Soviet-style dark arts of mass brainwashing and information-attack

    Two words:

    Dulles brothers.

    >social media almost destroyed a republic

    That's like blaming radio, TV, the telephone system, printing presses, etc. And how do you propose that such propaganda be stopped? You can't without tearing the First Amendment to shreds.

    It's like blaming violent video games for school shooters.

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  52. Re: Russians: they look almost human by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Speaking of inviting hatred and fear, isn't it funny you're defending Russia, who literally did that via social media propaganda?

    Makes you think about the projection so common to some political parties these days.

  53. Re:How many by careysub · · Score: 3, Informative

    Whataboutism at its finest. Good work AC (anonymous comrade). It will work better next time if you at least go to the trouble to set up a sock-puppet account. Spread the word to your team.

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  54. Correction: seen by ONLY 300,000 people by elcor · · Score: 1

    stats lie

  55. You're kidddin, right? by kenh · · Score: 1

    "Posing as American activists, Russian government-linked trolls created 129 Facebook events between 2015 and 2017,"

    What, 129 "events" over the course of three years? That isn't even one a week!

    Too bad CNN lacks the ability to research any of these so-called "events", I guess they don't have access to any historical information about what went on in the country between 2015 and 2017.

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    1. Re:You're kidddin, right? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      and 300,000 people saw them....so essentially, almost no facebook users even saw these "events"

      Reminds my of our pathetic marketing department trying to justify our website almost no one looks at...so they count "impressions" rather than report the dismal number of unique visitors.

    2. Re:You're kidddin, right? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      that's an average of over 3 a month, maybe not quite once a week, but not infrequently.

      But it only takes 1 post to inflame opinions which might lead to those people inflaming OTHER people.

      Let me give you an example of an instance on Slashdot. I don't believe it was russian trolling but an example of how one person can inflame opinion.

      There was a discussion of how tech had changed how EBT (Food stamps) operated. Someone, I can't remember if it was an AC or not mentioned that they'd seen someone getting cash back from an electronic benefit card. And some other AC reported someone buying some prohibited item with such a card. That led to a HUGE thread of Slashdot tech-bro-tarians complaining about their taxes going to welfair and how poor people were stupid and all sorts of alt-right anti-poor stuff.

      But... the truth is that those EBT cards support multiple benefits. One card can have a cash benefit (like unemployment) AND a food stamp benefit. I pointed this out, but it got lost in the anti-poor rhetoric. NONE of the slashdot regulars I replied to said "oops my bad, I didn't know the cards did that."

      So imagine those tech-bro-tarians talking about politics with other tech-bros at work, they might go on about how poor people are undeserving cheats and frauds thusly contributing to the misinformation problem.

      All it takes is one AC Russian saying "I saw some black panthers outside my polling place" or "Antifa threw rocks at me when I was at a trump rally" to inflame opinions.

  56. Re:300,000 people!?!?! by careysub · · Score: 3, Informative

    Trump was elected by a mere 79,000 votes in some heavily targeted districts. So, 250% of Trump's "margin or victory" Very significant.

    So, take heart Anonymous Comrade, you may have gotten Trump elected.

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  57. Re:Who's really responsible for the events "succes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Don't need paid trolls, Russian or otherwise to do this. There's a huge amount of American citizens willing to do it for free, just by being themselves online. If Russia was suddenly wrapped in a bubble and cut off from the internet, I don't think you'd notice much of a difference as far as online political flamewars go.

  58. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeah you've been like sprinkling your babble all across the thread and personally I disagree with your silly aggression.

    The (American) problem is that we let it get to this point. We take social media outbursts and promises from people we don't know as truth, just because they make us feel sad or confirm our biases. We allow our emotions override our logic and our hearts end up making decisions best reserved for our brains. Some responsibility must be taken in this regard.

    Russia, they with no money, no military, or otherwise no resources, are playing the only game they have: information (thanks internet). Frankly I'm surprised it got as far as it did.

  59. Re:Who's really responsible for the events "succes by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    The locals would have noticed all the embassy workers herding them to speeches.
    People all over the USA, in all professions, retired, mil, gov had the freedom to listen to the speeches and vote for who they wanted.
    More states liked one candidate who could give a great speech in their state over a candidate who used short media releases.

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  60. Dear Bizx Employee: FUCKING CUT THIS SHIT OUT by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Jesus fucking CHRIST. Other people have said this, but I'm so incensed I feel the need to repeat what has already been said thirty times in this very thread. Stop propagandizing at me. The DNC was hacked and their dirty laundry was aired and I don't give a shit by whom. Anyone actually informed knows over half of the Russian "interference in the election" was in support of Hillary. Anyone with a brain knows the contents of the emails are more important than who exposed them. Whether you're trying to make me believe this narrative or just adding headlines for some list of "1,000 headlines that make this claim and therefore it's true", whether you're lying on purpose or just ignorant, I don't give a shit. Stop it! Stop pushing agendas. Your job is not to influence my beliefs or behavior, your job is to present interesting, PERTINENT news for nerds. Take your user profiles, your Shareblue talking points, your bribe money, your demographic maps, and your informal automated polling and shove it so far up your ass that your problem glasses fall off you piece of shit.

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  61. Re:Trump Russia collusion was great value by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Well, Hillary! did take $1,000 and turn it into $100,000 in cattle futures, so Russia taking $1,000,000 and turning into the equivalent of $1,000,000,000 in spending is, I guess, plausible...

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  62. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by fizzer06 · · Score: 1

    Nyet!

  63. Re:Saudis, Israel and US Deep State in collusion by Another+Mouse+Coward · · Score: 1, Troll

    I think you meant Republican tactic. That's what they have been doing for years!

  64. Re:CNN? You mean the Cuckold News Network? by pezpunk · · Score: 1

    oh look another typical classy trump supporter.

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  65. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

    Adults don't think treason or confrontation with Russia or anything resulting from the whole situation is FUN. In fact, calling a national disaster fun because it humiliates a political party you dislike is the sort of thing Trump does. You're just another symptom of the same juvenile insanity Trump suffers from.

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  66. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by ilguido · · Score: 2

    The West doesn't carpet bomb entire villages with dumb ordinance, WW2-style like the Russians do.

    No, the Americans just used WW1-style* white phosphorus bomb during the siege of Raqqa and Mosul.

    *White phosphorus ammunition was first used by the British in 1916.

  67. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

    "We would have won if those meddling kids didn't expose our lies"

    Actually, it's "we would have won if those meddling kids had exposed our opponent's lies evenly with ours." There's no doubt the GOP does plenty of unsavory things that would come out if you dumped their server contents, but the leak selectively left them alone.

    I don't excuse the democrats for anything, they dug their own grave, but they are correct that they would've won if they'd had the company they deserved in the grave. Because apparently nothing will convince Americans to vote for a third party.

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  68. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

    I don't think the user base here is heavily leaning (at least not to the extent that most online communities are) in one direction or the other

    Are you kidding? There are more libertarians on slashdot than there are libertarian voters in the country on election day.

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  69. Hero of Labour of the Russian Federation by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    That's what the head of that organization in St. Petersburg deserves. Seriously, to start multiple street demos, brawls and riots in a different countries just by few keystroke.

      !

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  70. Re:Beautiful by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    >They sniffed their own techno-libertarian farts

    I love you.

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  71. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The worst part is that we knew it was going to happen and exactly what they would do. The leaked GCHQ manual on trolling laid out all the techniques that Russia is using. GCHQ uses them too... But apparently forgot to develop any ways to detect or defend against them.

    Since GCHQ knew, that means the NSA knew as well, as also failed to do anything about it.

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  72. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    It's hard for the Dems to attack Trump on policy, because he has made any attack on populist ideas into "political correctness" and other easily dismissed slogans.

    He's very hard to criticise because he's already so offensive and so far divorced from reality that any sort of appeal to the decency or truth is ineffective. In fact his base revels in him being that way.

    Short of creating some kind of left-wing version of Trump to oppose him, which let's be honest none of us want to see, the only thing anyone can really do at this point is wait. He is already failing, so just let it happen, let people realize he is full of shit and put up a good candidate in 2020.

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  73. Re: Saudis, Israel and US Deep State in collusion by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

    You might need to work on your English phrasing and comprehension, Ivan. You used English in ways a native English speaker wouldn't.

    It's kind of like how some guys in eastern europe actually think that "terribad" or "nothingburger" are real english words rather than meme-words made up by some people for whom english isn't their primary language.

    Or how some misogynist "anti-feminist" AC's on slashdot use "the females" where a native english speaker would use "women"

  74. That's it? by mplax · · Score: 1

    So 300K people saw the events, 62,500 people said they would attend, and 25,800 said maybe? What % of that 300K people didn't give it a second thought? And what % of the 62,500 and 25,800 were the oh-so-powerful Russian trolls? This seems to be one of those scenarios that, if we were rational, would tell us how absolutely overblown this has been. Show of hands for how many people thought Russia stood by and didn't try to do anything in any of our elections before today? I would have thought the "eyeball number" was much higher. But even if they swayed the votes on 50% of these people, that's a remarkably small number. Wonder what the numbers are from the last couple elections...

  75. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    1) http://www.foxnews.com/politic...

    2) FSB is a domestic intelligence service. Foreign espionage is not their duty.

    So yes, it is completely pointless comparing the two, but not for the reasons you've stated.

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  76. Re:Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by ohnocitizen · · Score: 1
    1. You're lying about Clinton.
    2. It's not a witch hunt.
    3. Russians fucked with our democracy and there will be consequences for them and their allies here in the states.
    4. The news of this as it progresses fits on slashdot as it involved tech/hacking, but also, it is news that matters.
  77. "CNN" was one reason I cut Cable TV since 2000 by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1

    The first thing I look for is the source - once I saw "CNN" I read no further. CNN is no longer a source of integrity, has never been since 2000 when I cut cable TV out of my life.

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  78. Re:Beautiful by Bryansix · · Score: 1

    You know, the fallacy of the above post is that it completely ignores the fact that most of the talking points actually were generated by a handful of alternate media types like Dave Rubin, Milo Yiannopoulous, Gavin McGinnes, Steven Crowder, and even Ben Shapiro. Less important but still important were Charlie Kirk, Stefan Molyneux, Ann Coulter, Jack Posobiec, Mark Dice, and Larry Elder.

  79. Re:Beautiful by Bryansix · · Score: 1

    Not all of us are gullible. There is hope.

  80. Re: Why is Hillary not in prison? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Another li'l fella who doesn't understand the Democrats and Republicans swapped left and right a few decades back.

  81. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    He's very hard to criticise because he's already so offensive and so far divorced from reality that any sort of appeal to the decency or truth is ineffective.

    Speaking of being divorced from reality, AmiMoJo, remember how I adopted the sig "The one straight white male in new Star Trek will be portrayed as evil or incompetent" back before Star Trek Discovery premiered? You know, because he was the only straight white male on an SJW show, and so I knew that he would ultimately have to be revealed as either evil or incompetent--because SJW's, as much as they would deny it, really HATE straight white males.

    Remember how an enlightened SJW like yourself corrected my foolish misinformed view back in October, responding to my sig, with:

    By the way, your signature makes you look silly now. Your prediction was way off the mark.

    Then remember how I replied with:

    LOL. Keep watching, You'll be eating those words soon.

    Well, go watch the latest two episodes. And enjoy your meal.

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  82. Russian trolls... by MercTech · · Score: 1

    That would explain how the Bolshevist terrorists of Antifa got ignored by the liberal press so long.

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  83. Re: Why is Slashdot obsessed with this witch hunt? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Deep down, there's a turd with your name on it. Don't worry, I already flushed.