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YouTube Will Put Disclaimers On State-Funded Broadcasts To Fight Propaganda (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: YouTube's latest strategy to fight the spread of misinformation involves putting a disclaimer on videos from certain news sources. The online video website announced it will start labeling videos posted by state-funded broadcasters to alert viewers that the content is, in some part, funded by a government source. YouTube will begin labeling videos today, and the policy extends to outlets including the US's Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) and the Russian government broadcaster RT. According to a report by The Wall Street Journal, PBS videos will now have the label "publicly funded American broadcaster," while RT will have this disclaimer: "RT is funded in whole or in part by the Russian government." The new policy is YouTube's way of informing viewers about where the content they're watching is coming from, a piece of information often hidden or left unsought by the viewers themselves. "The principle here is to provide more information to our users, and let our users make the judgment themselves, as opposed to us being in the business of providing any sort of editorial judgment on any of these things ourselves," YouTube Chief Product Officer Neal Mohan told the WSJ.

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  1. Cool by ruddk · · Score: 1

    I will take a "funded by my mom, from my moms basement"!

    1. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      yo momma's so big she's a nation-state

    2. Re:Cool by Art+Challenor · · Score: 2

      Problem is it's actually quite close to the truth. You don't necessarily need "fake" news, you just take spin and extreme news and saturate social media with it until dissent is overwhelmed. How? Hire a large number of low-wage people to work (possibly from home) to spread the articles that you want spread.

  2. For the US, the picture isn't all that clear... by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Insightful

    According to a report by The Wall Street Journal, PBS videos will now have the label "publicly funded American broadcaster," while RT will have this disclaimer: "RT is funded in whole or in part by the Russian government."

    Though mainstream media in the US aren't directly funded by the US government, they get favors from time to time. Otherwise how would one explain the fact that *all* mainstream media basically regurgitated the government's position in previous [unfortunate and unnecessary] wars?

    These are wars that are continuing to some degree even as I write this. After causing chaos, mayhem, confusion in distant lands, the US basically stated, "It's not our problem."

    Just ask the Europeans who now have to deal with the refugee influx by what our leaders caused with no checks from the media whatsoever!!!

    1. Re:For the US, the picture isn't all that clear... by El+Cubano · · Score: 2

      According to a report by The Wall Street Journal, PBS videos will now have the label "publicly funded American broadcaster," while RT will have this disclaimer: "RT is funded in whole or in part by the Russian government."

      Though mainstream media in the US aren't directly funded by the US government, they get favors from time to time. Otherwise how would one explain the fact that *all* mainstream media basically regurgitated the government's position in previous [unfortunate and unnecessary] wars?

      Not only that, but will videos/ads created by companies that are owned (in whole or in part) by their governments be similarly labeled? I'm thinking of Deusche Telekom, British Telecom (though it is no longer directly owned by the UK.gov), PetroBras, PDVSA (Petroleos de Venezuela). Sure, they aren't media companies, but what is to stop them from producing "propaganda" that suits their ends?

      Also what makes government-funded propaganda so much worse than corporate or political party or any other sort of propaganda?

    2. Re:For the US, the picture isn't all that clear... by toadlife · · Score: 2

      ...how would one explain the fact that *all* mainstream media basically regurgitated the government's position in previous [unfortunate and unnecessary] wars?

      The United States is an oligarchy and those media conglomerates that promoted the war have financial ties to the military/industrial complex.

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    3. Re:For the US, the picture isn't all that clear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only a technical distinction. In day-to-day life many huge corporations have more power to fuck you over in real, perceptible ways than the government does. Yes you theoretically could get tossed into Gitmo or Branch Davidian-ed, but the odds are infinitesimal. Your cable company or your power company or your ISP or Google or Facebook are much more likely to screw you in ways you can actually feel.

      And as little as I fear the American government killing or imprisoning me for wrongthink, I fear the Russians doing it from the other side of the planet even less.

    4. Re:For the US, the picture isn't all that clear... by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      'they get favors' can not explain the degree of compliance. Modern media are businesses that follow their business interests. And that means they should get along with governments, advertizers, owners and they should not make themselves unpopular by associating themselves with things that are not cool or suspicious. They can make some room for courageous truthtelling , but only very carefully and people who suit the business model will make careers. People who are stubbornly pursuing truth will not make a career. They are troublemakers with a personality problem . At most they can bide their time for the occasional opportunity to squeeze something important through the filters.
      This MSNBC guy for instance, he'll go places:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      Another MSNBC guy who is mentioned on here (Young Turks) had to go other places:
      https://www.huffingtonpost.com...

  3. Now we just need... by mysidia · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Disclaimers on SPECIAL-INTEREST/ACTIVIST GROUP funded broadcasts and also CORPORATE funded broadcasts.

    Also, Comments made to government officials by people being paid by a corporation should be required to contain a disclaimer identifying the relationship and whether they are being paid in general, or whether they are being paid to influence government officials, And any comment to a town hall or regulatory body's comment process paid for by a corporation must begin with disclaimer "This comment is a paid comment by XX corp".

    Furthermore, any "paid protestor" must carry high-visibility signage identifying that they are being paid to take this action.

    STATE-FUNDED broadcasts should be identified too, but they are the least of our worries ---- the real worry should be paid political messages in general.

  4. This Will Backfire by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1, Interesting

    People don't trust CNN, MSNBC, etc because they lie fucking constantly. If you start saying all the guys not lying are foreign government sponsored people will just start to like those governments.

    1. Re:This Will Backfire by Narcocide · · Score: 2

      I know this is probably a lost concept on you, but the idea here is that people will be more capable of admitting to themselves that they are being lied to if they can correlate advertisements with known motives.

    2. Re:This Will Backfire by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      People don't trust CNN, MSNBC, etc because they say things that don't help my favorite political party fucking constantly

      FTFY

    3. Re:This Will Backfire by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Just have a dictatorship, monarchy, theocracy invite a "private sector" broadcaster to do their news in nice locations. Nice news about holidays, sport, art and animals.
      A 100% private sector logo that is 100% gov approved and ready for social media.
      No direct gov funding but the private sector broadcaster had a lot of ad buys from that gov for "tourism".
      So many ways to use front companies or just offer direct for the private sector.
      Will every social media clip have to divulge who allowed them to a nation, who arranged the permits?
      Nations will just buy their way around this using the private sector and the need for ads and new content.

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    4. Re:This Will Backfire by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      People don't trust CNN, MSNBC, etc because they lie fucking constantly. If you start saying all the guys not lying are foreign government sponsored people will just start to like those governments.

      Back to Infowars for you, BillyBob!

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    5. Re:This Will Backfire by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People don't trust CNN, MSNBC, etc because they lie fucking constantly

      Funny thing is the kind of people who say that kind of thing seem to prefer Breitbart and even Infowars.

      Which is ironic.

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    6. Re: This Will Backfire by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Anyone who doesn't trust the semi-official propaganda organs is a bumpkin who believes in lizard people!!1!

    7. Re:This Will Backfire by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They're all shit, the only difference is

      And you're wronger than both put together.

      Even if I concede the others are shit, Breirbart and Infowars are much, much worse.

      Objectively.

      When was the last time either of those two published a retraction or correction?

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    8. Re:This Will Backfire by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      You're basing that on whether or not they publish retractions or corrections?

      The absence indicates a desire to decieve. It's an absolute minimum bar.

      Just look at the way Hillary sold Uranium to the Russians - if you know anything about it (aside from the talking points on the matter) you know that she "didn't" sell it to the Russians, she OK'd a Canadian company to acquire it, who then turned around and sold it to the Russians inline with the terms of the contract.

      And you're talking about a beacon on how not think?

      She didn't sell uranium to the Russians via any mechanism. A uraniumoperation was sold. There's no way and no license for that company to ship uranium out of the US and to the Russians.

      Trump is our last hope

      Aaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha!

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    9. Re:This Will Backfire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fuck off Ivan! RT lies about everything!

    10. Re:This Will Backfire by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      No, you idiot, the absence indicates they exist to change the perception of what lies look like.

      Adopting the nihilistic attitude that everything is equally awful neither makes you smart nor worldly.

      It takes a special kind of perversity to read corresting mistakes as changing the face of lies. From your attitude, there is literally nothing they could do that would make you happy. That indicates aproblem with you not them.

      You really do have the attention span of a gnat, don't you?

      Me debunking your stupid claim == having no attention span.

      Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

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    11. Re: This Will Backfire by temcat · · Score: 1

      No it doesn't. If it did, it would actually be the most useful info source. But alas...

    12. Re:This Will Backfire by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      Nothing I said is nihilistic in nature, you moron.

    13. Re:This Will Backfire by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      I noticed you quietly dropped your claim as if no one would notice!

      And no, pretending everything is equally bad does not make you worldly, it makes you foolish.

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    14. Re:This Will Backfire by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      I dropped nothing, you just are too dim to carry on a conversation with. The last one speaking isn't necessarily the winner in these online debates, you have no foundation to stand on.

    15. Re: This Will Backfire by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Anyone who doesn't trust the semi-official propaganda organs is a bumpkin who believes in lizard people!!1!

      At least I'm improving. I used to be a Supercilious cock-a-whoop!

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    16. Re:This Will Backfire by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Read and learn:

      Hillary did not sell Uranium to the Russians.

      If you dispute this, show proof that the Russians actually acquired radioactive materials as a result of Hillary.

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  5. Oh good! by bferrell · · Score: 1

    We finally remember the word for "fake news"... Propaganda

    1. Re:Oh good! by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      We finally remember the word for "fake news"... Propaganda

      The best propaganda is based on real news, and works by hiding other information.

      For instance: "dictator X is evil, we must send our army to overthrow him", while in the same time, government support many other evil dictators, and bombs will mostly harm innocent people instead of dictator X.

  6. Re:American? by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

    Fuck off with your Captcha cancer. Eat all of the dicks in the universe.

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  7. What is there to gain by tagging PBS? by damn_registrars · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've seen more politics on HGTV than I have seen on PBS. It's rather preposterous to claim that PBS is pushing some sort of political agenda. Their news coverage is arguably the least politically biased of any network that you can watch in the US.

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    1. Re:What is there to gain by tagging PBS? by budsetr · · Score: 1

      I think that is called honesty. A foreign concept we are not used to.

    2. Re:What is there to gain by tagging PBS? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I've seen more politics on HGTV than I have seen on PBS. It's rather preposterous to claim that PBS is pushing some sort of political agenda. Their news coverage is arguably the least politically biased of any network that you can watch in the US.

      So much this! I listen to and watch many news sources, and PBS is definitely the most even handed. I'll hit The three majors, MSNBC CNN, RT, BBC, and even Brietbart. The main reason is that ther eis a lot of news in the world, and not all can be covered, so the very choice of reportage is going to have a little bias.

      I occasionally watch Fox, but I consider that as base entertainment, along the level of Here Comes Honey BooBoo and RuPaul's drag race Superstars. I also have some concerns about who they are working for. But occasionally you get a gem like the Solar power expert who claimed that Germany was doing better on Solar Power because the country is sunnier than the USA. That's friggin entertainment gold!

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    3. Re:What is there to gain by tagging PBS? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      The content doesn't matter. It's the funding source. They'll tag the government as propaganda, but not the advertisers

      If that's the case then why is media that is funded by the government "propaganda" but other things funded by the government not? Are roads not propaganda in the same way? How about National Parks? Or the military? How about public libraries?

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    4. Re: What is there to gain by tagging PBS? by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Are you on crack?

    5. Re:What is there to gain by tagging PBS? by davide+marney · · Score: 1

      Agree. PBS is not "state-sponsored" in the sense that the state gets a say in what is broadcast. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting is the funding vehicle for PBS and other non-profit broadcasters. The Corporation was created by the federal government and is required to be nonpolitical and nonpartisan by law (see https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...)

      My impression is that PBS is a bit left-leaning, but they scrupulously present many different points of view in their news coverage. They certainly aren't parroting the government's PR, especially not under this administration.

      So putting some kind of warning label is totally inappropriate, IMHO.

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    6. Re:What is there to gain by tagging PBS? by davide+marney · · Score: 1

      I'd say that C-SPAN is the most even-handed network. They also happen to be the least opinionated as well. I've been listening to C-SPAN radio for more than a decade, and I can't remember even one time when I heard a host utter a personal opinion. They must put those hosts through some kind of major league boot camp for not letting callers get under their skin.

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    7. Re:What is there to gain by tagging PBS? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I'd say that C-SPAN is the most even-handed network. They also happen to be the least opinionated as well. I've been listening to C-SPAN radio for more than a decade, and I can't remember even one time when I heard a host utter a personal opinion. They must put those hosts through some kind of major league boot camp for not letting callers get under their skin.

      Like an idiot - I forgot to mention getting info from C-Span too.

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  8. You cannot fight alphabet, or can you? by Tsolias · · Score: 1

    We've seen a lot of those politically correct moves by Alphabet pushed via their various products. They even locked down private documents in drive which seemed to the parsing algorithm, AI for the rest, that it had racist content.
    You cannot trust people with internet, they are too stupid, inb4 "your to stupid", to recognize what's targeted and what's not, so they say let's start flagging what we don't like. Beware little person, Russia Today is propaganda, our beloved Hillary lost to sum damn drank adidas wearing hackers.
    Deutsche Welle is propaganda... oohh no wait, we agree with those guys, they are SJWs and they have fetishes with dark skinned 30yo registered as teens. DW is good, RT is bad.
    On another note, youtube's algorithms have been becoming shittier and shittier by the year, from censoring to recommending and the list never ends. I don't have hopes that they will ever manage to make it work properly, they are going to fuck up, like they are doing since they bought their propaganda megaphone.
    And don't forget, they are going to leech more money off of content creators... because that's their kingdom and they are the rulers who decide what's good for them.

    1. Re:You cannot fight alphabet, or can you? by Z80a · · Score: 1

      They will be hitting several SJWesque targets as well such as BBC.

  9. Wait a minute by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are they saying there's a difference between government propaganda and corporate propaganda (advertising)? That's a bit off I would say...

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    1. Re: Wait a minute by limaxray · · Score: 1

      Yeah, one convinces you to buy shit you don't need. The other convinces you there's nothing wrong with slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people on the other side of the globe with drone strikes and forced starvation. That you think there is some moral equivalence between the two shows how effective the state's propaganda machine is.

    2. Re:Wait a minute by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Ads are much more controlled than government propaganda. For example there are already disclaimers when a video contains ads in addition to the obvious "ad" slot. Also, companies can get punished when they go too far (ex: outright lies).

    3. Re:Wait a minute by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      And we have the power to vote liars out of the government. Just because we don't doesn't mean we can't.

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    4. Re: Wait a minute by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      one convinces you... The other convinces you...

      Do you see the equivalence yet? If not, then I guess you're right. The propaganda really does work.

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    5. Re: Wait a minute by limaxray · · Score: 1

      Are you saying it takes the same level of convincing you to get you to spend money as it does to convince you to condone mass murder? That those two things are some how in the same universe?

  10. Personal responsibility. by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

    It's your own personal responsibility to consider everything critically, and the the wisdom to separate the bullshit fro the value. This used to be taught in public school. I suppose educators prefer when the kids DON'T ask tough critical questions.

    Story-time:

    I recently attended "Science night" At my Sons Jr. High. (It was really disappointing, nothing of note) my biggest takaway was the disgust I felt when I overheard what I assume to be a history teacher discussing womens suffrage. I'm paraphrasing...

    Teacher: the right to vote was won for American women in 1920.
    Smartass kid: When was prohibition enacted?
    Annoyed, blind-sided, and stuttering Teacher: I don't know, google it.

    I assume that was a pretty sharp kid, I'm certain he knew the answer to that question, and he asked it on purpose to mess with the teacher. I think the teacher knew too. That's a single kid thinking critically out of the whole damngaggle. This is a good thing, even if he was trying to be an asshole. The lame ass teacher punted in front of all of us parents in the face of a politically non-correct teaching point. Blew me away. The point being, we wouldn't NEED warning labels on information sources if the consumers would consider them critically, and they would, if thinking critically was rewarded and encouraged. Right now, asking tough questions and questioning the narrative is so frowned upon there's almost no hope for those after genX.

    When your main source of information is google, and googles word is gospel, there's no need to critically consider anything. Now, we need warning labels and disclaimers on news sources and entertainment, because by the nature of location, somebody might actually believe the shit they spew.

    If everybody could just go ahead and think for themselves, that sure would be swell.

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    1. Re:Personal responsibility. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I assume that was a pretty sharp kid, I'm certain he knew the answer to that question, and he asked it on purpose to mess with the teacher. I think the teacher knew too. That's a single kid thinking critically out of the whole damngaggle.

      No it's not. It's a kid sticking two dates together to troll the teacher. Now trolling teachers is a mighty fine activity and something I enjoyed greatly in my youth, but it's not the same as critical thinking.

      If you like glibness, remember alcohol was banned by the 18th amendment, but women got the vote in the 19th.

      Of course it's more complex than that.

      Anyway a smart teacher wold have given the little shithead an assignment about it :)

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  11. Enough Already! by Maltheus · · Score: 1

    I wish Youtube would go back to being normal old youtube and stop trying to be the morality police. I don't know of a single category of youtuber who hasn't been complaining about the censorship and demonetization going on over there. It's not just a political thing, it's gamers and travel vloggers too. They've all been impacted.

    Everyone gets that we're watching subjective opinions on youtube. Here's a hint, there is no authoritative unbiased source of information on anything. Everyone should be skeptical of everything. You don't need warnings for that. As for the advertisers, tell them to take a walk, if they don't want to advertise on the most popular streaming site on the net. It's not worth attempting to cater to them. Without content and viewers, the ad revenue dries up anyway.

    But the worst is the newer algorithms that have driven everyone to putting out watered-down daily content, over the more polished stuff, that would actually be worth sharing from time to time. It's become such a grind over there to make anything at all. The established youtubers get bigger and bigger, while I get less exposure to anything new or innovative. It's not as fun anymore. Feels more like cable TV.

  12. Re:How about BBC? by BlazeMiskulin · · Score: 1

    Yes. They will.

    And PBS, NPR, RFA, RFE, RL, and any other news source that is funded by a government.

  13. Apply this idea to politicians by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    Imagine the labels Hillary or the Donald would have been covered with.

  14. Or the Australian ABC? by ElectraFlarefire · · Score: 1

    Or the Australian ABC? The TV station that the government loves when they are running for election and hates when they are in power?
    (The ABC are well known for having their funding threatened by just about every in power government for pointing out every mistake they make and being very unbiased about things no matter who it makes look bad.)

  15. Yup, that'll stop it by Solandri · · Score: 1

    Because no government has ever funded something surreptitiously, sending the money through five offshore bank accounts and a dozen shell companies before it arrives at the intended recipient. No sirree, that has never happened in the entirety of modern history. So this move by YouTube will completely expose government-funded propaganda.

    This is gonna backfire massively. The honest and "open" governments will get their content flagged as state-funded propaganda. The dishonest and lying governments will take measures to hide their funding so their propaganda isn't flagged.

  16. It's what's not said... by scum-e-bag · · Score: 1

    It's what's not said that matters. YouTube could publish harmless cat videos until the end of time while neglecting the important stories. This form of state funded broadcasting is just as insideous as videos of in your face propaganda.

    Trust the goolag...

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  17. From Fake News to RussiaToday to Dissident Voices by tinkerton · · Score: 1

    It's remarkable how easy the transition was from fake news to anything that can be linked to Russia.
    As far as I can see fake news started off as stuff pulled out of thin air without any background, and presented as news. From there to 'competing narratives' is a big step. Now Russia Today is fullfilling a role Voice of America used to play: give a voice to dissidents that don't get a voice in their own country. In that respect for an eastern european VoA was sometimes the best source of information available. I'm thinking Russia Today, just pursuing its own interest the way VoA is, is starting to fullfill the same role. At least in principle because it's not that many people watch it. It's giving room to the smartest dissident voices. So is effectively happening is that western commercial players are suppressing western dissident voices by associating them with Evil Russia. I think it is very effective. Soon enough people will stop linking to these dissident voices because it will affect their facebook reputation and the reputation of their friends. Google ads and search results will be tuned the same way, all softly dissuading people from discussing the 'wrong issues'.

    Robert Parry just died. People like him are more relevant than ever.

  18. Re:From Fake News to RussiaToday to Dissident Voic by tinkerton · · Score: 1

    Think how easy it is to make a bot that does this.

  19. Re: For the US, the picture isn't all that clear.. by limaxray · · Score: 1

    Oh boohoo, your cable company might inconvenience you slightly! But who gives a shit about the hundreds of thousands of people the US government has slaughtered in the Middle East in your name? I guess their lives don't matter as much because they're poor and brown and you don't have to see their corpses piled high on your (propaganda) news networks? As long as your monthly mass murder service fee conveniently comes out of your paycheck you simply don't care.

    But please, go back to telling us about your first world problems; the total lack of empathy from stereotypical entitled Americans is simply breath taking.

  20. Barking up the wrong tree by OneAhead · · Score: 1

    The problem is not so much propaganda that can readily be identified as state-sponsored, but propaganda that is paid for (often in difficult-to-trace ways) by people (not necessarily state actors) with a vested interest in pushing a political agenda. Something like the "this message is paid for by..." on TV would be good, though the latter is increasingly powerless against ingenious funding schemes and lax regulation...

  21. Re: For the US, the picture isn't all that clear.. by toadlife · · Score: 1

    Zing!!

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