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Facebook Is Testing a Dislike Button (thedailybeast.com)
Ever since the inception of the Like button, Facebook users have been asking for a "dislike" button. Today, Facebook is testing a "downvote" button with certain users in the comment section of posts within Facebook groups and on old Facebook memories content. The Daily Beast reports: The feature appears to give users the ability to downrank certain comments. This is the first time Facebook has tested anything similar to a "dislike" button and it could theoretically allow for content that's offensive or relevant to be pushed to the bottom of a comment feed. In 2016, citing Facebook executives, Bloomberg said a dislike button "had been rejected on the grounds that it would sow too much negativity" to the platform. It's unclear how widely the dislike button is being tested. Facebook regularly tests features with small subsets of users that never end up rolling out to the broader public. Most users currently are only able to either Like or Reply to comments in a thread. The downvote option could have radical implications on what types of discussions and comments flourish on the platform. While it could theoretically be used to de-rank inflammatory or problematic comments, it could also easily be used as a tool for abuse.
Like a grenade. You thought Facebook was bombastic before? Watch the fury when you can thumbs-down something. The cesspool will get deeper still. This doesn't do anything but start fights.
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I click to say that I dislike Facebook?
Then they started hiding the thumbs down because there are so many thumbs down. It makes everyone look bad.
I get triggered when I get downvoted or downmodded. Good thing it never happens to me.
How would you like to be the schmuck they tried this feature on on first?
"Mr. TWX, having reviewed your social-media footprint, we feel that you're a good fit for our new feature. We expect that dozens, nay HUNDREDS of dislikes will accrue on your posts. Please enjoy beta-testing this new feature!"
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It's a seriously bad move as the status quo keeps things positive. Either you like or you ignore it. Hate is too easy and too fashionable these days. There's enough negativity in the media as it is.
I have a very vague recollection that there WAS a dislike button when they first started but it was quickly removed because they found it offended people and they only wanted a positive experience. Many other sites followed suit after that.
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This is the first time Facebook has tested anything similar to a "dislike" button
No it isn't! The first few sentences I was like: Dupe! precisely because I remember them announcing bullshit like this before.
In 2016, citing Facebook executives, Bloomberg said a dislike button "had been rejected on the grounds that it would sow too much negativity" to the platform.
Yeah...after *testing* it. *sigh*
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/social.media/08/16/facebook.dislike.button.scam/index.html
Seth MacFarlane already covered what happens to society after the introduction of the down vote and it wasn't good.
FTFS: "... allow for content that's offensive or relevant to be pushed to the bottom of a comment feed."
Finally! I've always wish the relevant content were pushed to the bottom. Maybe they're learning from /. where all the stories are filled with political comments and the relevant ones are downvoted.
So I won't have to reply "Dislike." to posts I don't like anymore?
Hooray!
Did FB do any research into other platforms down voting and how that works out? What platforms even still allow down votes? Every relatively large site I have ever been on that had down voting ended up removing it. Russian bots are gonna love this feature to further delegitimize true, factual information that doesn't support Vlad's narrative. #MAGA!
This may seem like a bad idea but it is actually a very important solution to a very bad problem that Facebook has right now: Racist, ugly, bigoted, and generally controversial comments are shooting to the top of posts that have thousands of comments because the controversial comment has so many responses, even if those responses are negative or "angry faces"... this is rewarding the bad behavior of trolls. Adding a dislike button will be a troll killer. When you see a really nice post and the top comment is some asshole saying something negative and his comment is the top comment because of the thousands of replies telling him he is an asshole... it actually brings negativity to FB. So in this case a dislike button will be used to battle negativity and trolls.
That depends entirely on how dislikes are interpreted. Using them to suppress controversy would be a silly move on Facebook's part.
This may seem like a bad idea but it is actually a very important solution to a very bad problem that Facebook has right now: Racist, ugly, bigoted, and generally controversial comments are shooting to the top of posts that have thousands of comments because the controversial comment has so many responses, even if those responses are negative or "angry faces"... this is rewarding the bad behavior of trolls. Adding a dislike button will be a troll killer. When you see a really nice post and the top comment is some asshole saying something negative and his comment is the top comment because of the thousands of replies telling him he is an asshole... it actually brings negativity to FB. So in this case a dislike button will be used to battle negativity and trolls. Given that... this feature should be on comments only, to move them to the bottom, not on posts.
To ensure a healthy supply of positivity, Facebook should only let a user dislike something after they've liked 10 times elsewhere.
I once had a signature.
George: I prefer Pepsi.
Suzy: I prefer Coke.
100 people who prefer Pepsi upvote George and downvote Suzy.
100 people who prefer Coke upvote Suzy and downvote George.
What if the ratio was 2:1? Ok, now it's just a popularity contest.
Another system (the one in use now, as I understand) is that people who prefer Pepsi would be recommended to George's feed and people who prefer Coke would be recommended to Suzy's feed.
What system is better?
thank god facebook is doing their part
I see this on Reddit all the time: Someone posts an impassioned brainless rant completely void of fact about something in a board where people tend to agree with them. A circle-jerk ensues and the poster gets plenty of upvotes. Anyone who dares question the poster or point out some logical fallacy gets downvoted into oblivion; sometimes even threatened or abused in private messages.
Could someone mod this 'funny'? I got a good laugh out of this.
Wait, was that serious? You know Reddit (And Imgur) has a downvote option?
Guaranteed.
When all the idiotic posts about climate change, how great the democrats are, or other lies get downvoted to hell Facebook will regret this decision.
I actually think that each of the subjective dimensions should be symmetric (on Facebook and even here on Slashdot), but the playing field should still be tilted in favor of the positive side. You want to make it easier for people to do and be good. In a simple implementation, clicking "Like" can be easy, while clicking "Dislike" can involve an extra step to say why.
However I think that Like-Dislike is basically a weak and almost meaningless dimension. In terms of meaning, I think you can argue that it should increase the general weight of a comment's positive ratings, but on its own there is little meaning to it. Therefore I think the better dimensions of sentiment should have clear meanings. Dimensions such as true-false (or informative-disinformative or valid-invalid) or funny-unfunny (to me). For example, if you say a comment is false, then you would have to indicate which part was false and why. (And if it turned out you are lying, then YOUR own reputation should suffer. More symmetry.)
(Bells and whistles in dimensional thinking for sentiments: I also think the dimensions should be able to evolve over time, and that the dimensions of earned public reputation should age to encourage people to act better and see their reputations gradually improve. People with earned negative reputations should be easier to filter against, thus allowing them to be as negative as they like for the (negative) benefit of people who actually want to spend their time that way. Also, a person who has an earned reputation in a particular dimension should get extra weight, as with a rating from a proven funny person (based on reactions from other people) counting more heavily in rating another comment as funny or unfunny.)
The clumsy, ad hoc, and poorly considered dimensions of Slashdot's moderation are an excellent example of how NOT to do it. Take that "troll" dimension, for example. (I wish someone would.) What is it supposed to mean? I think that the dimension may have a catchy label, but it lacks meaning. Some combination of "negative politeness" and "negative truth" combined with an earned reputation for "negative agreement"? (I think the general meaning on today's Slashdot is that a sock puppet has a mod point to burn, but that might be jealous projection since I never get a mod point.)
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Slashdot had both negative and positive moderation since the 90's and it does work. The problem with Facebook's likes/dislikes/etc are that they ENTIRELY opaque in how they operate to anyone except the people who literally work in the "feed ordering" division at FB -- and even then, if you were to leave for even a week they could completely change it again and you'd have no idea how it works. Of course, if you are a paid propagandist, you probably have the most time
If only someone could come up with a decentralized system for people to post content and users could decide how to order that content for themselves. Why we even need these companies whose chief "service" is data mining their customers is beyond me.
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Re "Using them to suppress controversy would be a silly move"
Whats the point of having a SJW button if its only for that account?
Say a user only likes their news from 4 US broadcasters and 3 US "digital" newspapers?
Keep that filter list just for that one users account?
So that user is never going to be able to search for, find, discover any other news?
Make the filter global to the social media brand and ensure all users votes remove all non approved links, comments, images, reviews, transcripts, books, politics, music, cartoons, art?
Say a US university funds an event and a "professor" says something that could get the US gov interested? Something about US politics, crypto, DRM, police methods?
Can that university down vote all news of that event so it cant be searched, cant be linked to, the video now never existed and their own statement disavowing the video never exists?
A memory hole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... for that account? A memory hole for the brand of social media?
Could a gov, university, approved faith group, NGO, political party request a SJW vote multiplier? So one approved staff member can remove all comments, links with their one vote?
Do SJW get to link 3 or 4 big social media brands "votes" with a search engine monopoly and demand results, links and sites get deranked?
Can one US political party step in and say all links, comments on some topics get removed (not just deranked) for security "reasons" and that the people "voted" with clicks?
Can one SJW social media site then project its deranking onto another brands search results? Can a gov, brand, NGO, faith group take the dislike button "results" and demand sites, links, comments get removed?
US freedom of speech and freedom after speech is looking rather less complex than having global SJW rules remove and ban content.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Put a Dislike button ln all posts. Anyone who clicks it is banned for two weeks. There is no other effect.
This will improve Facebook immensely, because the only people who would ever find any real use for a Dislike button are people who should not be on Facebook. Why not let them self-select for the banhammer?
I think FB is making the wrong move, per usual
What platforms even still allow down votes? Every relatively large site I have ever been on that had down voting ended up removing it.
How about Slashdot?
I currently have mod points and the menu still includes offtopic, flamebait, troll, redundant, and overrated.
Does Slashdot no longer qualify as a "relatively large site"?
I note that, at least, trolls and SJWs have a track record of using such moderation, in ways other than its stated purpose, to down-moderate posting of opinions with which they disagree. (This is not to say that people of other leanings don't misuse it in such a way. Just that these are the ones with which I have personal experience.)
Want to test it? Try posting anything questioning a politically-correct paradigm, such as gun control or global warming, in an (on-topic) article near the top of the front page. Then check your score every few minutes for a couple hours.
These down-mods do let some people try to turn Slashdot into an echo-chamber for their ideologies. But so far such efforts have not been totally successful. B-)
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When bots can automatically mark your post as spam within seconds and there is no way to undo it... what's the point?
In fact, Facebook is becoming like Twitter in 2016, mostly bot spam
And I haven't really seen any bad abuse there. The dislikes are usually very small compared to likes. I actually dislike social media sites that only expect you to like everything.
I Dislike Facebook...
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What kind of lives are people living, when their first reaction to the idea of a "downvote" button is that armies of paid social-media assassins are going to downvote everything they post? Sounds paranoid, and more than a little egotistical.
Disallowing disagreement doesn't eliminate negativity, it just suppresses it. And downvoting doesn't need to result in automated bans, it can just be cosmetic, for purposes of communication between human beings. Which is supposed to be the whole purpose of social media to begin with.
I don't think his ego could handle too many dislikes.
This may bring me back to Facebook so I can downvote all the pissant snowflakes who thinks that Nibber-Obama was the end-all-be-all of the world and only want to make America a fourth world cunthole.
You can never have too much negativity. There is always a more negative number. So the partition of negativity would be infinitesimally small.
I've been watching, for years, the "you can only say positive things" behavior on Facebook. It's the cult of the millennials, where everyone gets a "participation award" rather than seeing awards only for accomplishment.
Unfortunately, I don't see how it could possibly be done. It *will* leave the addicted children feeling "unempowered", and it's going to trigger snowflakes. That will drive down advertising and data collection revenues. Unless there is some subtle fiscal benefit I can't see, ain't gtonna happen.
down votes aren't worth shit because it's well known the platform harbors many mentally deficient people. when they don't care or get things, they tend to go around trolling, and abusing others with negative comments. even if something is true for example, it gets downvoted here on Slashdot for example. it could be the most classified government information, or industry insider thing, but because the "sheep" here don't get it or agree even if it's the fact they "downmod."
come the fuck on. the internet is a joke show. keep the farce shit off facebook we don't need a downvote option.
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Link it to a reputation system, something like Slashdot's Karma.
Reputation below one threshold prohibits use of 'Dislike'. Reputation increases with 'Likes' but decreases only with use of 'Dislike' (stops griefing beyond the social impact). Value 'Likes' logarithmically, such that it's reasonably easy to get back to a reputation where you can use 'Dislike' but progressively harder (to a second threshold and an absolute reputation cap) beyond that. Count only 'Likes' from unique users per week (to stop boosting a friend by spamming 'Like') with subsequent likes reducing in value and increasing the duration before they count full again. The reputation decrease from a 'Dislike' should be greater than increase for a 'like' (even below the first threshold) and maybe making each subsequent 'Dislike' cost exponentially more and increases the duration before that resets. Play with the value curves to change the sweet spot
But so long as 'Disliking' a post has no consequences to the user, then it's just going to be another example of the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory
What I REALLY want is a "Fuck off" button for all their "suggested groups", "play this game" spam, etc etc etc etc.
Where is this button?
I want to press it.
This is why we all love the great work they do at Facebook!
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People have been killed http://www.businessinsider.com... or had their house set on fire https://www.aol.com/2011/11/03... for unfriending somebody. Dislike at your own risk.
I'm not repeating myself
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For example, if someone posts "Climate change is a serious threat," I could dislike it because either:
People will use Dislike for both. Note that the existing Angry emoji option has the same problem. Also note that Like doesn't have the problem.
If you reply, do so only to what I explicitly wrote. If I didn't write it, don't assume or infer it.
I have been using the "Angry" or "Laughter" reaction when I disagree with something.
the next great new innovation since the tweet.... you'll remember this moment in history.... tell your grandchildren... when facebook invented the dislike button!
If you aren't going to post a video of you using your boners to fly, I don't want to hear about them.
How can Facebook do this? In a world where we cannot tell someone we dislike something. OMG. I'm testing a dislike button for Facebook, its called a delete account button. Facebook has become nothing but the social police with a splash of annoying advertisements. Shouldn't have to test a dislike option. We should have the ability already.
Don't show the dislikes. Keep it internal to the system. Just make disliked things disappear.
Great, that's what Facebook needs. A neckband patrol downvoting anything it finds mildly offensive, like the one we have here in Slashdot
...do Facebook.
What I want is an eyeroll button. They've already got laughter, which you can use to laugh at people. I want an eye roll, which doesn't even dignify their idiotic comment with a laugh. I would settle for side eye.
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Done and done!!!
Using bind
Works wonders.
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Would be suppressed. I don't think this is going to work itself out peacefully.
I have some family members that seem to be dragging the dregs of some site and pull up crap that is months and years old, as if it is relevant now. Would really like a way of showing my dislike for that old crap. I want NEW crap! If it's not warm, why bother! (Yes, there is some sarcasm here, but there is also the bitter truth that this does happen all the time)
Opportunist snorted:
You think? How many people will "friend" celebrities for the sole purpose of downvoting them, if only to see the fans go bananas.
Your comments - not just this one, but all of them - on this topic reveal your foundational ignorance of how "friendship" works on FB. Or, to put it another way, you're clearly talking out your ass here.
To begin with, FB limits everyone to a maximum of 5,000 "friends". For users who are actually celebrities, that's a pretty small number. In order to add a new "friend", a celebrity who already has 5,000 must first de-friend one of those users to open up a slot.
In practice, that never happens, unless the wannabe is someone they know, like, and are already actual friends with IRL - such as, for instance, another celebrity. (And, since the person who monitors their feed is almost undoubtedly a personal assistant, rather than the celeb him/herself, the add is usually arranged by personal assistants, rather than by the user him/herself, anyway.)
The relationship the vast majority of FB users have with celebrities they love (or hate) is as "followers", which is quite a different and less privileged status.
And then there's the matter of "blocking" FB users (which is trivially easy to do). Blocking a user removes them from your view, and prevents them from seeing any of your posts. Act like an asshole often enough (and just how often "often enough" is is purely a matter of choice on the part of the person you've set out to annoy), and your trolling ass will be blocked. The user you're trying to harass promptly becomes invisible to you, and anything and everything you've posted disappears from his/her view, as well.
So, no, the scenario you find so amusing to contemplate will, in practice, never, ever happen ...
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Unlimited downvotes (without karma) is what killed Digg. Unless Facebook is willing to charge a few cents for each downvote we're only going to see more and more divisive behavior from users. Expect another downvote militia trying to push their weird political agenda.
And dislike speech.
Dislikers gonna dislike.
New Tarantino Film: The Dislikeful Eight.
Oh, and Marvel has a new villain now: The Dislikemonger.
https://i.imgur.com/LGNhVWP.gif
On Facebook, a lot of times, I don't want to "mod the post down". I just want this post, and any post like it, to be gone from my newsfeed.
I've got Facebook friends across the political spectrum. Some I want to see their personal posts, but I don't want to see anything political from either the ones with Antifa leanings, or the hard-core Trumpunists.
If I could say "Never show me anything from (these people) which mentions Trump", I'd be much happier with Facebook. (Well, somewhat less disgusted with it, anyway.)
That episode of Black Mirror could become reality?
Well I guess that leaves something for the handful of remaining mothers and elderly that still use facebook.