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The Flu and Airports (fastcompany.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The CDC says this year's flu season is on track to either rival or dethrone 2009's swine flu. 3,000 people across the U.S. have died as a result of the flu in the first 20 days of 2018, according to the National Center for Health Statistics, and that number has likely risen. If you want to avoid the flu (and of course you do) the National Institute of Health says orange juice won't cut it. Instead, the best flu prevention is a vaccine, and it's not too late to get one. Pair a flu shot with frequent hand washing, and avoiding touching your eyes, nose, or mouth so you don't transfer any virus from your hands, and you just might manage to avoid the flu.

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  1. I got a flu shot this season by cyberchondriac · · Score: 5, Informative

    But I'd heard that this year's vaccines had mostly missed the mark.
    It'd probably be more effective this year to wash your hands often, don't shake hands (I know, it's antisocial), and keep your hands away from your face.. or my face.

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    1. Re:I got a flu shot this season by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Still even when the flue vaccine misses its mark, it still normally lessons the symptoms if you are to get the flu. It can be the difference between being out of work (feeling like crap) for a week vs being in the hospital for a week and out of work for an additional week.

      Having the flu before, I make a point to get a vaccine every year (normally in September when it first gets out) just so I can avoid as much of the pain and misery of having the flu as I can. If I get it, it may be a few days of misery vs a week.

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    2. Re:I got a flu shot this season by SirGarlon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Logic fail. Taking the vaccine doesn't prevent you from washing your hands, so arguing for hand-washing is not arguing against vaccine. A sensible person would do both.

      I have also heard that this year's vaccine is less effective than it should be. All medication is a trade-off between risks, side effects, and benefits, and this year the benefits are falling way short. If side effects or risks are normally something you have to think about, this is a year when you may want to think twice. But if you're blessed with the privilege of not normally having to worry about taking the vaccine, it is still, as they say, "worth a shot."

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    3. Re:I got a flu shot this season by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Still even when the flue vaccine misses its mark, it still normally lessons the symptoms if you are to get the flu. It can be the difference between being out of work (feeling like crap) for a week vs being in the hospital for a week and out of work for an additional week.

      Anecdote time.

      My wife, daughter, and I all got the flu shot. Unfortunately my wife and daughter also have some immune deficiency issues, which makes the vaccine less effective even in good years. This year both of them got the flu and were out sick about a week and a half. I caught it (or, at a minimum, something very much like it) midway through that period - but I was only down about three days, and never got as sick as they did.

      It's certainly possible my bug was not the same one, but the timing and symptoms lead me to believe it was the flu and the vaccine did help ameliorate my symptoms.

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    4. Re:I got a flu shot this season by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I managed to catch the flu like 3 times around Sept-December

      So you were (sequentially) infected by all three different circulating strains of the influenza virus within the span of a few months - or you're one of those people who doesn't actually know the difference between colds and the flu?

    5. Re:I got a flu shot this season by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not a trade off of risks. They have to guess what strains are likely to be the virulent ones this season (since they mutate so often). This year they guessed wrong, so only 30% of the strains going around are covered.

      Now 30% is much greater than 0%, but it's still a one-in-three shot.

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    6. Re:I got a flu shot this season by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 2

      Similar story in my fully-immunized house, but I was the unlucky one. My wife and son both got sick, but barely. I got the full blown flu, but even so it was only a few days of high fever, aches and sleep, with a slight cough for a week after. It royally sucked, but was nowhere near as bad as I used to get annually before I started getting the shot.

    7. Re: I got a flu shot this season by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I didn't exercise, ate poorly, and smoked a pack a day for 20 years. I hardly ever got sick either.

      There could quite possibly be a correlation there. If your habits made people shy away from you more than an average person, you would also be less likely to become infected.
      If everybody had halitosis, diseases would have a harder time spreading.

    8. Re:I got a flu shot this season by XXongo · · Score: 2

      Having the flu before, I make a point to get a vaccine every year (normally in September when it first gets out) just so I can avoid as much of the pain and misery of having the flu as I can. If I get it, it may be a few days of misery vs a week.

      And if you get Guillain-Barré from the flu vaccine, you will endure that misery for the rest of your life. Fuck that.

      I'll point out that Guillain-Barré syndrome is correlated with influenza-like illnesses, so if avoiding Guillain-Barré syndrome is your objective, you should get the flu shot, not avoid it.

    9. Re:I got a flu shot this season by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Technically, "getting influenza" should not count as a form of "preventing influenza".

      Why not? It helps prevent future infections better than a vaccine does.

      A downside is that if you have had a particular influenza strain and then get a vaccine for the same one, you likely will be sick for a couple of days, as the immune system response is triggered full on.

    10. Re:I got a flu shot this season by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "The flue vaccine is only like 10% effective this year. "

      I like a 10% protection any day over 0%.

      I always buy my flu-shot for 15 bucks in the pharmacy and stick it in my ass.
      I really don't understand what the fuss is about.
      I could also get it for free but I would have to take an appointment at my doctor's and then have to wait for half an hour at least.
      It's just not worth the wait and the parking fee.

    11. Re:I got a flu shot this season by kqs · · Score: 2

      Perhaps you should read up on how the flu vaccine will make you more likely to contract other strains of the flu. The swine flu was particularly boosted by people who had gotten previous flu shots in the years previously. Not sure how that helps you avoid the flu if it is actually helping you get it instead.

      Citation needed from a reputable source,

      Since the immune system is exposed to many thousands of attackers and develops defenses against most of those, it seems odd that defenses against one flu would make you more likely to get another flu than someone who had no flu defenses at all. That sounds like something that anti-vaxxers make up to convince gullible people that vaccines are bad, and some quick google searching didn't turn anything up, but I'm willing to be convinced by evidence.

    12. Re:I got a flu shot this season by kqs · · Score: 2

      The people dying are not dying from the flu. It is actually sepsis that is causing the high numbers of deaths this year.

      You are correct. People are dying from sepsis, which caused by infection. For most of these people that infection is the flu or pneumonia (caused by the flu).

      So if you have the flu vaccine you have a lower chance of getting the flu and thus a lower chance of sepsis. Are you implying something different?

    13. Re:I got a flu shot this season by dpidcoe · · Score: 2

      The opposite. If you get an immunization for something you've already had (or you've already been immunized for), the immune system removes it pretty much instantly, and there's no effect at all.

      It'll remove the virus fast, yes. But the virus contained in the vaccine is by definition basically harmless. I'm no expert, but I know that a lot of the symptoms from being sick (e.g. fever) aren't from the virus so much as side effects of your body attempting to fight the virus (e.g. white blood cells are significantly more efficient a few degrees past standard body temperature). With this logic, it would make sense that an immune system over-responding to an inert virus could make you feel "sick" for a few days.

    14. Re:I got a flu shot this season by bobbied · · Score: 2

      The people dying are not dying from the flu. It is actually sepsis that is causing the high numbers of deaths this year.

      No, they are dying from illnesses which are CAUSED by the Flu... Sepsis which is caused by the flu it's NOT the flu, so if it kills you it wasn't the flu, but sepsis. But hey, it's a distinction without a difference if you ask me. If they had avoided the flu in the first place, they'd not be dead today.

      By the way.. Sepsis IS a known issue and we know how to treat it. The issue is that you have to start treatments in time, which means you have to recognize that you are more ill than just having the flu and get medical help, before it's too late. Apparently people are getting sicker faster this year and some waited too long.

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    15. Re:I got a flu shot this season by Rande · · Score: 2

      You're an asymptomatic carrier? You're the one spreading it everywhere without realising it?

  2. Not going to work by ranton · · Score: 3

    Not going to work when you have the flu would also be helpful, but probably even the CDC understands that is not a reasonable recommendation.

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    1. Re:Not going to work by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not reasonable when your employers are greedy bastards, that is. Paid sick or better yet personal days should be the norm.

    2. Re:Not going to work by ranton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Paid sick or better yet personal days should be the norm.

      Most full-time employees have a number of hours PTO they can take; at least in the professional world, this is the case....

      The problem is many employers now lump sick days and vacation together into the same pool. This causes people to not want to use PTO for sick days since it cuts into their vacation. There really is no good fix for this other than employers trusting their employees, which would allow for unlimited sick days (or at least unlimited until short term disability is more appropriate).

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  3. Time off for illness by bit+trollent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In most of the US there are no paid sick days for restaurant workers.

    So when you are drinking your soda and eating your sandwich, ask yourself if the sandwich maker could afford to take a sick day.

    Is America a truly modern country without universal healthcare or paid time off for illness?

    1. Re:Time off for illness by DaveyJJ · · Score: 4, Informative

      Huh? Canuck here. Sick at home Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday last week. Slacked my co-workers (not even head office) said, "Sick, staying home" ... response was "Okay, great." I get 10 sick days and 10 personal health days off, none of which I need any documentation for. I also worked nearly a decade in the US and was docked pay (and verbally berated) for taking a measly three days off after my second son was born and my wife wasn't mobile. I call BS, AC.

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    2. Re:Time off for illness by Solandri · · Score: 2

      The influenza death rate is lower in the U.S. than in many countries with universal health care and paid time off for illness. And the difference in the rate between it and many better countries (France, Germany, Canada) is so small as to be statistically insignificant.

      So either paid sick days just don't matter that much to the spread rate of influenza, or the health care system takes care of it just fine despite not being universal, or both.

  4. Handshaking by ichthus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Handshaking. We MUST get rid of this stupid form of greeting. I'm what's commonly referred to as a germaphobe -- I hate touching the hand rails at Disneyland, or the TV remote in a hotel room. (EXTRA CREDIT: The sponge in the sink at work) And, just as loathsome is touching the hand of someone that I haven't just witnessed washing his or her hands.

    If we stopped shaking hands, this would go a long way toward stemming the spread of sickness. Hey, Mythbusters confirmed it.

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  5. Often the "flu" is not the flu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are a large number of viruses out there that cause flu-like symptoms that are not actually the flu. The flu vaccine will never protect you from any of these other viruses. So regardless of whether or not you get the flu vaccine it is best to avoid sick people and take other precautions such as proper sanitation.

  6. Either TFS or the Headline sucks. by sconeu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no mention of airports in TFS.

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    1. Re:Either TFS or the Headline sucks. by toonces33 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is in the article however, and they said that the dirtiest place in the airport are the self-ticketing kiosks. But I have known this for years - especially at Christmas time people drag their runny-nosed little brats onto airplanes, and due to the holidays people can't or won't cancel or postpone. I have even seen adults with runny noses going through the airports that time of year, so it isn't just the kids.

      So the key is to use "best practices" going through airports. Wash your hands often, especially after touching things, use the hand-sanitizing stations if they are available, and make sure to avoid touching your face and especially rubbing your eyes.

  7. risk of plane crash is low by XXongo · · Score: 2
    I can't figure out the grammar on that sentence either.

    However, for comparison, the accident rate on commercial airliners is about one in fifteen million take-offs-- with a measured rate of zero for last year-- so if he's comparing it to the risk in a plane crash, that risk is pretty much negligible.

    The flu shot, as it turns out was of low efficacy this year. Having had the flu, however, I will take the minor pain in the arm to reduce my chance of getting it by 10%.

  8. Re:Latex ... by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    I've been on /. too long. I read this a LaTeX and GIMP.

  9. This year's flu is an A/H3N2 strain. by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a strain known for producing severe flu cases and sometimes-fatal secondary complications.

    There is evidence that in past A/H3N2 outbreaks, people who contracted the flu despite being vaccinated had less severe symptoms and fewer complications. Even if the vaccine is only "10% effective" at preventing infection, the evidence still suggests that it's worth getting, especially as this flu is claiming the lives of many young, healthy people.

    IMPORTANT: the "10%" figure was an early estimate from Australia in December. More recent figures I've heard are 17% effectiveness and 30% effectiveness in the US.

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  10. Might not have been the flu by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 2

    I just got through reading an online reference saying that the second round of flu-like symptoms likely isn't flu but rather pneumonia.

    If you get the flu, and then seem to get a "relapse" within a week or two, go see a doctor to get evaluated for pneumonia. Pneumonia symptoms are close to those of the flu.

    Reference:
    https://www.texasmedclinic.com...

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  11. Re:An Excellent Medicine, No Need for Injection by sconeu · · Score: 2

    Bullshit. There is no cure for the common cold.

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  12. Re:An Excellent Medicine, No Need for Injection by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Eating garlic regularly should help you avoid colds, since it would probably lead to people keeping further away from you.

    Eating dog poop would probably be even more effective in that regard.

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  13. Re:3000 ppl in us died from flu by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

    A not poor woman in my neighborhood died a week ago from complications of the flu. First she was treated in a local hospital, then taken by ambulance to a major hospital of the highest quality. It was neither prejudice nor poverty that did her in, just misfortune and a nasty disease.

    So take your leftist anti-US bias and shove it.

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