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Kaspersky Lab Sues Over Second Federal Ban (axios.com)
Cybersecurity firm Kaspersky Lab has filed a lawsuit targeting the second of two federal bans on its wares. The latest suit goes after language in a defense law explicitly blocking the purchase of Kaspersky products. An earlier suit targets a Homeland Security directive doing the same. From a report: The bigger picture: With the White House reluctant to institute additional sanctions on Russia, White House Cyber Czar Rob Joyce pointed to Kaspersky as an example of the Trump administration taking Russia seriously. While Kaspersky isn't alleged to be involved in the election hacks of 2016, it's hard not to see the actions against the firm in the context of deteriorated relations with Moscow, as part of a growing spat between the two countries.
China seems to use their courts to wring concessions from multi-nationals. Now Trump is doing it in the US.
We will need more proof then just "Trust Us" we are trying to protect you. In the mist of a lot of findings of Hacking from the Russian government, melding with the elections, often with electronic means. With being a part of the government that like to keep companies on a tight leash.
Kaspersky may actually being doing good things without opening the door to the Russian government, and may actually be better protected with their products from Russian hacking. However we will need solid proof on this, otherwise we will just use our countries tools.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Why do they assume they have a right to supply the US Government with anything? THe Us Government as a "company" can choose products for company-wide use or non use. Some companies required Blackberries at one time. Now they're no longer allowed. Apparently the critics are right, they don't like free enterprise!
To win this, Kaspersky Labs is going to submit to discovery, which means the government will get to pour through their books, emails, and everything else.
It's likely Kaspersky will fold once that starts if they have any underhanded ties to the Russian government.
Or, you know, security agencies have expressed concerns that the Russian government exerts influence over Kasperspy and as a foreign entity they are deemed as a potential security risk.
Because that is the explanations I've heard, and it is entirely reasonable.
When you consider a state actor to be attacking your stuff, and you consider a company under control of that state actor to be part of the threat, the prudent thing is to not allow their software.
Of course, the US should accept that other countries can, should, and quite possibly will take the same measures and block US companies if nor no other reason than simple spite.
The Americans don't trust the Russians and Russian corporations. There's no reason why other countries should implicitly trust US companies as well.
If you don't let us get a backdoor into your products, you won't work in this country again.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
lol why the hell is our government even allowing windows 10 on any and all government computers windows is 100% data mining everything that's done on a win 10 PC and that's OK though? in fact any software is suspect.
Jack of all trades,master of none
I've been a Kaspersky customer (USA) for years, and I've done my research. So, I was aware that Eugene was a buddy of Vlad. I also am not totally clueless about international affairs and the potential reach of the Russian government, especially into domestic corporations. I also understand a thing or two about nationalism. Kaspersky's response to the vague allegations has been 1. deny 2. delay 3. sue and 4. CLAIM that 3rd party source code examination will happen. I just checked the Kaspersky site to make sure. They were supposed to make their code available in January. It's mid-February now, and they've not said anything. So, since they certainly do take the problem seriously, and yet have failed to respond as they said they would (or at least, have failed to keep customers informed about the progress of any code review), it is time for me to choose a different vendor instead of renewing theirs. Too bad, I like their product.
Completely aside from the political stuff of whether Kapersky is giving things to the FSB and is therefore an elevated risk - I wonder aloud about the constitutionality of a law targeting specific companies.
It is not acceptable for a sovereign government that any company, especially a foreign one, has the ability to render the whole country's computer infrastructure to a halt with the flick of a switch on their automatic update servers.
The system is already broken. Using closed source software puts any country sovereignty at stake. Your software providers' "red buttons" are bigger and faster than Trump's.
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Closed source.
Known to send data to foreign countries (mostly US).
Known to work with selected members of the intelligence community.
It should be outright banned in most of the planet.
If it's Russian-made, it's crap.
While Kaspersky isn't alleged to be involved in the election hacks of 2016,
What "election hacks of 2016" are we talking about? I mean, besides the Democrats screeching about this stuff 24/7 trying to push their alternate explanation of how the worst candidate in history lost to the 2nd worst.
it's hard not to see the actions against the firm in the context of deteriorated relations with Moscow, as part of a growing spat between the two countries.
Wait, "growing spat between the two countries"? So hard to keep up with the bullshit du jour. I thought that Trump was a Russian puppet? Now we have a spat? Are the Russians mad because their puppet is off his strings? Seriously, what's the angle here?
Perhaps the Russians hacked Hillary's e-mail and convinced them through the hacked e-mail that the now discredited Trump Dossier was real which forced the Obama admin to illegally request a wiretap of a political opponent during an election? Perhaps they found something to blackmail Hillary which was included in the 30,000 deleted e-mails that caused her to throw the election to Trump?
Inquiring minds want to know just how this election was supposed to have been "Hacked". Too bad any evidence seems to have been conveniently deleted by the DOJ, FBI and DNC with missing e-mail and hard drives all pertaining to a specific time frame that would be useful for this investigation. Just being told by the media "Trust us" isn't good enough anymore.
We they ban all US networking products that have Federal Unified Cryptography Keys for Encrypted Devices with backdoors?
The ones that a named DHS unit head says occurred. It's amazing how forgetful you trolls can be.
I mean replace Kapersky with McAfee (or even windows...) and Russia with the US and... What is the difference exactly ?
Why worry about what optional and replaceable or removable software might be doing when the hardware has a massive back door built in right from the factory. The existence of the Intel Management Engine ( and AMD's equivalent ) make worrying about Kaspersky ( or the far worse Win 10 ) the equivalent of bandaging a small scrape on an accident victim's hand while ignoring their sucking chest wound.
You live and learn, or you don't learn much.
Wow! Someone was able to read the voter rolls! Of course, since the voter rolls are for sale in every state for a few hundred dollars, this means nothing.
On the other hand, lying Leftist screechers do love to try to spin this up into something meaningful. "Russia hacked the election!", "Russia hacked the voting computers!" - when anyone with anyone with half a brain understand what actually happened: nothing.
The ones that a named DHS unit head says occurred. It's amazing how forgetful you trolls can be.
I'm not a troll, you are. Did you even read what you posted. Here, I'll make it easy:
"A top official at the Department of Homeland Security told NBC News that Russia "successfully penetrated" a small number of state election networks during the 2016 US election."
Successfully penetrating a state election network and hacking an election aren't related. There's no evidence - and not even the allegation - that they changed anything.
Sorry, Hillary lost because she was a terrible candidate who didn't bother to campaign in key states. It had nothing to do with Russia. The questions that I asked are valid and unanswered.
Do you have ESP?
Should we really be using the title "czar" for someone who's supposed to be addressing potential hacking by _Russia_? I realize that term is commonly used as an informal title for these kind of positions (though I never really understood how that got started). But it seems to be particularly absurd here.
I'm not a troll, you are, first and foremost.
Traditionally one uses a question mark for a question, and yes, I did.
Yes they are. For instance, both your descriptions use "election."
"She did not say whether the Russian government altered any state voting registration databases or compromised actual votes, saying she is not allowed to talk publicly about classified information."
You have access to classified information? Or you merely assume that there wasn't because you desperately want there not to be? Absence of public evidence is not evidence of absence.
So sorry, you denied the existence of election hacks and have been proven wrong. I never claimed that election hacks, which definitely did happen, changed the outcome of the election.
Troll.
I don't have to have access to classified information (and wouldn't tell you if I did - think about that). Were there any evidence that Russians actually changed election results it would be on the news 24/7. It's the same way that I know the TSA has never actually caught a real terrorist.
Do you have ESP?
Oh, I've thought about it. Not impressed.
But it it was classified then they wouldn't have access to it or even know that it exists. Think about that.
Nevermind that the "election hacks of 2016" are not limited to Russians directly accessing and changing votes in an outcome altering manner, and have been on the news 24/7.
Funny how Russians directly accessing voter registration systems is not related to elections, but Republicans lose their shit about poor and colored people registering to vote, allegedly being bussed in from other states to vote, and everything else that doesn't involve tampering with the voting machines themselves. Seems a bit inconsistent to the rest of us.