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Kaspersky Lab Sues Over Second Federal Ban (axios.com)
Cybersecurity firm Kaspersky Lab has filed a lawsuit targeting the second of two federal bans on its wares. The latest suit goes after language in a defense law explicitly blocking the purchase of Kaspersky products. An earlier suit targets a Homeland Security directive doing the same. From a report: The bigger picture: With the White House reluctant to institute additional sanctions on Russia, White House Cyber Czar Rob Joyce pointed to Kaspersky as an example of the Trump administration taking Russia seriously. While Kaspersky isn't alleged to be involved in the election hacks of 2016, it's hard not to see the actions against the firm in the context of deteriorated relations with Moscow, as part of a growing spat between the two countries.
We will need more proof then just "Trust Us" we are trying to protect you. In the mist of a lot of findings of Hacking from the Russian government, melding with the elections, often with electronic means. With being a part of the government that like to keep companies on a tight leash.
Kaspersky may actually being doing good things without opening the door to the Russian government, and may actually be better protected with their products from Russian hacking. However we will need solid proof on this, otherwise we will just use our countries tools.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Why do they assume they have a right to supply the US Government with anything? THe Us Government as a "company" can choose products for company-wide use or non use. Some companies required Blackberries at one time. Now they're no longer allowed. Apparently the critics are right, they don't like free enterprise!
I am not a Trump supporter. However this is common across nearly all countries even the US previously.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
To win this, Kaspersky Labs is going to submit to discovery, which means the government will get to pour through their books, emails, and everything else.
It's likely Kaspersky will fold once that starts if they have any underhanded ties to the Russian government.
If you don't let us get a backdoor into your products, you won't work in this country again.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
lol why the hell is our government even allowing windows 10 on any and all government computers windows is 100% data mining everything that's done on a win 10 PC and that's OK though? in fact any software is suspect.
Jack of all trades,master of none
Completely aside from the political stuff of whether Kapersky is giving things to the FSB and is therefore an elevated risk - I wonder aloud about the constitutionality of a law targeting specific companies.
It is not acceptable for a sovereign government that any company, especially a foreign one, has the ability to render the whole country's computer infrastructure to a halt with the flick of a switch on their automatic update servers.
The system is already broken. Using closed source software puts any country sovereignty at stake. Your software providers' "red buttons" are bigger and faster than Trump's.
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Betting is one thing, knowing and thinking totally different...
Do you think we bust out the sanctions trying to get China and the Russians to use our stuff in their government controlled hardware and software?
I don't think so. Maybe you've heard of something?
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
The Chinese and Russians aren't telling everyone there are security problems with US software. The US on the other hand is doing exactly that.
There's a big difference between not buying something, and telling everyone else that the product is compromised and that they shouldn't buy it either.
Kaspersky is not suing for the former, they're suing for the latter.
If the US government has proof, this should be no problem, but this is Kaspersky saying "put up, or shut up!". Of course actual truth and evidence aren't exactly valued in the USA.
This isn't about the right to force the US government to buy their products, this is about the US government slandering them at every chance they get.
This is Kaspersky saying "put up, or shut up". The US government can choose their suppliers, but under US law neither they, nor anyone else, can make false injurious statements about others.
My advice to you? Get over it and quit whining.
Of course the rule of law, truth, and facts, have never meant all that much in the USA.
The government isn't preventing you from buying as many copies of Kaspersky software as you like. They are free to hawk their wares in the USA all they like. The only thing the government has said is that the GOVERNMENT won't buy any more copies. Now both the Executive branch and Congress have the same policy... But they are not keeping Kaspersky from doing business here, only saying the government won't buy their stuff anymore.
How's that require proof of anything? They are not telling you that YOU cannot buy Kaspersky's stuff, only that the government isn't going to.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
If they just said "We aren't buying it" that would be fine,
But they are saying "Kaspersky software is a security threat" that's a provable claim, that they should have proof before saying.
I can decide not to buy from you, that's fine, but if I tell everyone that you're doing something specific that's unethical, I better have proof to back it up, otherwise it's slander or libel.
The ones that a named DHS unit head says occurred. It's amazing how forgetful you trolls can be.
Then they need to sue for liable or slander, not for some cooked up constitutional charge. If Kaspersky was suing the government for lying about their product what you say might make sense, but as it stands, your legal theory isn't what Kaspersky is using.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Why worry about what optional and replaceable or removable software might be doing when the hardware has a massive back door built in right from the factory. The existence of the Intel Management Engine ( and AMD's equivalent ) make worrying about Kaspersky ( or the far worse Win 10 ) the equivalent of bandaging a small scrape on an accident victim's hand while ignoring their sucking chest wound.
You live and learn, or you don't learn much.
Should we really be using the title "czar" for someone who's supposed to be addressing potential hacking by _Russia_? I realize that term is commonly used as an informal title for these kind of positions (though I never really understood how that got started). But it seems to be particularly absurd here.
Funny, the government isn't recommending against EVERY OTHER piece of anti-virus software out there.
They're saying it because it is. There are troubling links between the company and the kremlin, it's written by a company in Russia, and as part of its functionality it gains low-level access to any system on which it is installed, so yes, it's reasonable to assume that it has been compromised. And the NSA and the other three letter agencies don't have to show up in court with public evidence, they can basically show up, tell the judge "this cannot be disclosed in open court because it involves national security", and that's it. Kaspersky is wasting its time, and yes, it means its reputation is shredded, but seriously, who in their right mind would install it on their systems anymore anyways?
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So in other words, as in all authoritarian regimes, secrecy trumps truth.
Glad I don't live in the USA!
It's far more likely that the reason they refuse to disclose the supposed vulnerability is that the only vulnerability is the refusal to implement the NSA's requested back doors.
The rest of the world is watching all this with interest, and so far, the evidence points to Kaspersky being among the most trustworthy products on the market. So far they're the only ones who seem to have told the US government to pound sand, and so far, nobody has found any evidence of any other nefarious goings on.
Remember, "the NSA doesn't want you to use it" in most cases is a glowing recommendation to use it (short of someone giving some proof of actual issues)
Oh fuck off. You're still free to buy Kaspersky if you want, though I personally would think you were an idiot for doing so. I wouldn't let any Russian AV software within a mile of my computers.
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I'd far rather let secure russian AV software on my computer than any software with a US connection. At least I know it isn't tainted by the NSA.
The world is waking up, US IT products are no longer a first choice, but now a last resort, not to be trusted. It's well known that the American government has no concept of rights or privacy, and that all US vendors are compromised by default. Precautions must be taken if using US products.
I'm not a troll, you are, first and foremost.
Traditionally one uses a question mark for a question, and yes, I did.
Yes they are. For instance, both your descriptions use "election."
"She did not say whether the Russian government altered any state voting registration databases or compromised actual votes, saying she is not allowed to talk publicly about classified information."
You have access to classified information? Or you merely assume that there wasn't because you desperately want there not to be? Absence of public evidence is not evidence of absence.
So sorry, you denied the existence of election hacks and have been proven wrong. I never claimed that election hacks, which definitely did happen, changed the outcome of the election.
Troll.
I don't have to have access to classified information (and wouldn't tell you if I did - think about that). Were there any evidence that Russians actually changed election results it would be on the news 24/7. It's the same way that I know the TSA has never actually caught a real terrorist.
Do you have ESP?
Oh, I've thought about it. Not impressed.
But it it was classified then they wouldn't have access to it or even know that it exists. Think about that.
Nevermind that the "election hacks of 2016" are not limited to Russians directly accessing and changing votes in an outcome altering manner, and have been on the news 24/7.
Funny how Russians directly accessing voter registration systems is not related to elections, but Republicans lose their shit about poor and colored people registering to vote, allegedly being bussed in from other states to vote, and everything else that doesn't involve tampering with the voting machines themselves. Seems a bit inconsistent to the rest of us.