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Ultra-Processed Foods May Be Linked To Cancer, Says Study (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: Ultra-processed" foods, made in factories with ingredients unknown to the domestic kitchen, may be linked to cancer, according to a large and groundbreaking study. Ultra-processed foods include pot noodles, shelf-stable ready meals, cakes and confectionery which contain long lists of additives, preservatives, flavorings and colorings -- as well as often high levels of sugar, fat and salt. They now account for half of all the food bought by families eating at home in the UK, as the Guardian recently revealed. A team, led by researchers based at the Sorbonne in Paris, looked at the medical records and eating habits of nearly 105,000 adults who are part of the French NutriNet-Sante cohort study, registering their usual intake of 3,300 different food items. They found that a 10% increase in the amount of ultra-processed foods in the diet was linked to a 12% increase in cancers of some kind. The researchers also looked to see whether there were increases in specific types of cancer and found a rise of 11% in breast cancer, although no significant upturn in colorectal or prostate cancer. "If confirmed in other populations and settings, these results suggest that the rapidly increasing consumption of ultra-processed foods may drive an increasing burden of cancer in the next decades," says the paper in the British Medical Journal.
Deaths from Botulism or food poisoning like Cholera?
The trade off is living long enough to get cancer.
And there have already been many studies, spanning decades. Do better research next time.
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Useless conclusion.... Is it the ingredients in 'ultra processed' foods that cause cancer, or overall poor lifestyle choices made my the types of people who consume a lot of this type of food? Or maybe something else all together?
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it is. I mean that. Especially if you live in a cheap apartment with a crappy kitchen. I do, and I cook most of my meals and it sucks. Your stove takes forever to heat up. Your burners don't heat evenly so you have to set them and let the pans hit for 10-15 minutes or your food cooks unevenly. The stove never stays level either. Your microwave is cheap and your fridge small. Your freezer smaller
If I make a meal of eggs, potatoes & some pancakes from scratch (minus the pancake mix, which is pre made) I need to plan on a little over an hour. 10-15 minutes to heat the pans. 5 minutes to mix the pancake batter (you can't mix it until just before you use it or it screws up the pancake texture). 15 minutes to cook the pancakes (one at a time, since I only have 1 full sized burner) 5 to cook the eggs (I'm not a good cook, so if I try to juggle the eggs and pancakes I burn one or the other) meanwhile the potatoes are cooking for about 30 minutes while being flipped periodically. Then I need to sit down and eat (15-20 minutes) and then clean up (10 minutes). Of course, I have to wait at least 30 minutes to an hour to clean since the pans need to cool or they'll warp. And you can't leave the pans sitting around, especially in an apartment. You'll get roaches. Lots of them. And ants.
Then there's the cost of fresh food. If it's not on sale it's expensive. If it is on sale it's about to go bad. You can freeze meat, but vegetables & fruits don't freeze well (fruit it tolerable in smoothies but nothing else). Packaged dinners are a great buy because they keep for months. I can buy them when they're on sale, stock up and save. I can't do that with Bananas. They're worm food in 5 days tops.
There's a reason why women used to be home bound. Food preparation was a full time job. As pay decreases they moved into the workforce largely to make up the difference. Processed foods made that possible. But wages keep going down. So we need foods that need less and less prep time and cost less and less. There are consequences.
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I liked that the article talked about the term "ultra-processed" and the pros and cons of using it. On the one hand, it's fairly well established that many forms of processing are harmful, and having degrees of processing as a broad category might be useful. By using an umbrella term like that, you can avoid many of the problems with bullshit statistical studies: "Green M&M's are 95% likely to cause cancer."
On the other hand...this is basically a "common knowledge" study which serves no purpose and tells me nothing at all. Gee, "Hungry Man Salisbury Steak" dinners are bad for me? Shocking. I'm fucking stunned by your scientific revelation. Which parts of the processing are most harmful? Should I skip that damned brownie that never cooks properly? Are ensure or soylent "ultra processed?" Oh, you don't know? Thanks for nothing.
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Or option 3, each normal food.
It's not potnoodle OR botulism, as if they're the only choices.
We evolved to eat certain foods. Hell we evolved grain and rice. Sheep, bovines, chickens. Alcohol is an evolved trait on humans have a tolerance for; we convert the starch to food. No other life form does that. In less than two centuries we changed that diet radically. It's a body count issue and supplying enough food to everyone. That was a function of time; time to get food to people.
Why is it a surprise our bodies haven't caught up. Solution. Back out of all the long term packaging. In the 50's getting a loaf of bread not to mold for two weeks while sitting on a shelf was an achievement. Deliverer was an issue. But our supply line is better now. Most stuff stays on the shelf for days. A simple adjustment. We don't need all the additives and removing them? Won't change the shelf price so up the profits for not including them. Hell if the American public could get rational about irradiation of food we could reduce power for keeping meat cold. More savings.
at least where I am those are _very_ expensive. I can go to a restaurant for the cost. My one saving grace is Trader Joe's dough balls. I can make two pizza meals out of that for about $6 or $7 bucks (vegetables instead of cheap processed meats). It's still time consuming. It takes me a long time to cut the vegetables, toss the dough and get everything assembled. If I count for the trip time to buy ingredients about 90 minutes. But at least I get two meals out of it.
Fish is OK too, but with mercury I can't eat that much of it (I'm in the States, not sure about the rest of the world but here you have to keep it to about once a week). A fish fry takes forever. I could cut the time down though with a better deep fryer. A bit of salmon pan fried isn't too bad, but it kinda stinks up the whole apartment. And it's got the same pan heating delay as the pancakes.
I don't generally eat meat, especially the cheap stuff. Mostly because I never cared much for the stuff, but also it keeps me away from fast food. A lot of the quick and dirty meals out there are just frying up some beef. It's hard to screw that up. Chicken's a lot harder since it's easy to cook it until it's dry and tasteless. I tried for years to cook it for my kid and could never get the hang of it. But part of that is my crap stove. I used to live in a house with a decent stove before moving for work and it was a _lot_ easier. I miss having a gas range. There's a reason cooks swear by it. You can use a high end electric range too (Induction? I forget) but you're not going to find those in any apartment I could afford. Maybe after my Kid's out of college I can finally buy a house again. That 2008 market crash still stings.
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Can't I just say no to Botulism _and_ cancer?
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except you've loaded your post with a remark questioning the moral character ("lifestyle choices") of the people who rely on over processed food. I'm not even sure you know you're doing it. But it's basically dismissing the issue by claiming its the fault of the person impacted. The same logic was used against smokers while cigarette companies were hiding the dangers involved. Again, don't take this the wrong way. You might not even realize the message you're conveying, but if you don't then, well, you do now, and need to think about it in context.
Moreover, there's tons of evidence these chemicals are bad for you. You will _never_ find a doctor who says they're A-Ok. At least not one that isn't on the payroll of one of the companies hawking this stuff. The question isn't so much "are they bad for you" it's "how bad and why".
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Man, I know what you mean. Once I got the bacon-ranch Dorito dust off my fingers, I finished my red bull and sent a letter of complaint to the management.
I just tried the same thing with some water and it didn't melt either. It even ruined the lighter. If it can do that, just imagine what it's doing to your body. That's a lot of damage!
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I usually buy fresh vegetables and fruits. Farm markets when in season. I don't each much beef, except when I make tacos.
I spend about $2 a meal.
Tofu is ultra-processed. Does it cause issues as well?
That is unfortunately a fact. The only sure protection against cancer is being dead.
Also, this much more reads like "too much sugar and salt is linked to cancer". Personally, I cannot, for example, buy sweet baked goods (far too much sugar for my taste) and lots of processed foods have too much salt for my taste. Yet these high levels seem to be what people want.
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did you also try melting butter with a lighter? .....
anyways. ultra processed is not that new a thing. most of our school food was pretty heavily processed 20 years ago.
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I don't know if I would trust two morning-show goofballs to scientifically demonstrate this non-cheese melting phenomenon. They are using a candle that was nearly flooded with its own melted wax. The flame was already on the verge of going out on its own when they smothered it with the cheese. When they used a lighter flame, they couldn't manage to keep it in one place for more than a second. There was no indication of how cold the cheese was to start with.
Of course, if you put the flame under a pan, and leave it there for several minutes, I bet you could melt the cheese in the pan, and I'm sure the cheese melts in the microwave.
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What a silly reason to avoid something. Almost as silly as pretending "processed" means something. It means nothing. And, like "toxins", its usage is strongly correlated with how much chemistry a person does not know.
It is not funny. It is true.
Lots of people drown.
Making a sandwich could be considered processed.
But the real question is why TF is this on Slashdot?
Depends on the bread you are using. Article states that some breads are ultra-processed.
If a man (or a woman) works in say a mine, eight hour a day, with a heavy hammer, then he can eat about anything he wants.
But it is very different for an office worker. The problem is that we engineered out the physical movement from our lives. And any food becomes dangerous in such circumstances.
The best way to deal with it is to widen sidewalks, build bicycle trails, nice stairs in buildings, etc. So that we can start move again regularly.
Counterpoint. I have one word for you: snails. When is the last time anyone from England looked down at something slimy that crawls on the ground and thought, "I bet that would go great with butter and shallots?"
Besides, the French invented canning (appertisation), which is practically the foundation of modern processed foods.
If there's a culinary moral high ground, I'm pretty sure the French aren't standing on it any more than the Brits or us Yanks. Just saying. :-)
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Isn't this knowledge/research kinda old? I remember hearing about this in the 90s. That's one of the reasons I never had more than 2-3 Macs in my entire life.
Probably as it breaks down to some somewhat nasty vapors? With protective gear it's not dangerous and the dangers without isn't AFAIK significant - not something one should do every day but as a one-off thing shouldn't do much*.
But it will not explode.
(* disclaimer: research this yourself before trying)
They found that a 10% increase in the amount of ultra-processed foods in the diet was linked to a 12% increase in cancers of some kind. The researchers also looked to see whether there were increases in specific types of cancer and found a rise of 11% in breast cancer, although no significant upturn in colorectal or prostate cancer.
It's the fatness of the people eating the food, not the "ultra-processed foods".
Uh, a diet of "ultra-processed" food usually causes obesity. There's a rather obvious correlation there when you shove SHIT food in your body all day vs. eating raw/non-processed foods.
The fact that breast cancer rates elevate and other, more common cancers aren't should be the dead give away.
There's nothing that is a dead give away here when talking about three cancers out of dozens. It took us half a century to admit and accept that cigarettes cause cancer. We now understand that excess sugar creates diabetics, and excess amounts of sodium creates high blood pressure. Is it really going to take another few decades of study for us to admit and accept that processed food should be avoided? I sure as hell hope not.
Some people miss the point. While they're busy cowering in fear of everything that can give them cancer, cowardly people think that to live the LONGEST life is and should be the goal of every person, and not making sure to enjoy life. Pussies worry about making it last as long as humanly possible might think they're enjoying life. OTHER people, incomprehensibly to the weak, actually LIVE and enjoy life, and aren't giving themselves stomach ulcers worrying about how many seconds they have left to live. The cowards want to live to be over a hundred years old, without, ironically, actually LIVING during that entire century, while people getting fingers wagged at them for living a "unhealthy" life-style, often aren't worried about that kind of bullshit; they drink, they smoke, they fuck, they often die young, and they aren't scared to death of dying, like all the whiny little cunts eating yogurt and kale, and telling themselves over and over again how great their tiny, empty, meaningless little lives are.
LIVE A LITTLE. Eat Cheetos, Ding Dongs, and drink Coke on occasion, smoke once in a while; cigs, weed, whatever, get drunk, and enjoy life! Don't worry too much about the consequences, because let me tell you something. No matter what you do, life is 100% fatal, you are going to be just as dead, for just as long, and no matter what the fuck you do, after you're dead, little will be different because you were alive within even one generation, and within ten, you and everything you touched will be dust--dead, gone, and forgotten. Also, don't forget we could all die any fucking minute because someone let a fucking reality-show retard and his crime-family pretend to run this country, and they could provoke a world-ending nuclear conflagration at any second, or kill us all out of sheer incompetence, plus they're studiously pretending we are not destroying the Earth with our greed, stupidity and wastefulness, which we so totally and obviously are to anyone who isn't a complete fucking moron, so even if you avoid every possible carcinogen, every virus, every pathogenic bacterium... you're still totally going to die, and in the history of the human race, it will be in about a blink of an eye. In geological time, the Earth will never even notice we were here, so...
Fuck it, Dude. Let's go bowl.
it is. I mean that. Especially if you live in a cheap apartment with a crappy kitchen.
It sounds more like your kitchen sucks. Can you buy a kettle or a second plug in burner? What about an electric frypan? or a pizza cooker, a second microwave? A vegetable steamer, a slow cooker? A press grill? You've got some options.
I do, and I cook most of my meals and it sucks. Your stove takes forever to heat up. Your burners don't heat evenly so you have to set them and let the pans hit for 10-15 minutes or your food cooks unevenly. The stove never stays level either. Your microwave is cheap and your fridge small. Your freezer smaller
It's a shame to hear, I truly find cooking to be one of the great joys in life. It de-stresses you and you can crank up some music while you do it. A crappy kitchen does make it hard but not impossible.
I'm guessing you live in a city and space is a premium. Setting up a good kitchen is the heart of anywhere you live. I set mine up in a triangle (fridge, bench, stove). Can you find another place? Decent food is so important to your well being.
If I make a meal of eggs, potatoes & some pancakes from scratch (minus the pancake mix, which is pre made) I need to plan on a little over an hour.
Not good, it does sound like a crap kitchen. I hope you don't mind a little tip. If it's cold where you are it's pretty easy to chop vegies up in a bag (or pre-chopped) grab a handful out of the bag, boil water in the kettle while you are cooking some meat on the hotplate, a few spices soy and in 10 minutes you have a nice soup that is really healthy. The randomness makes it different all the time.
In 10 minutes I cook a 600gm steak, a pot of vegies (corn, brocolli, bean and mushrooms) and enjoy that with a beer. Same amount of time for a stir fry that I just ate for dinner. In an hour I cook for a week (bolognese, spicy mince, pumpkin or other soup) and then freeze it so when I come home it's 10 minutes until I have a good healthy dinner. In every case I can I try to ensure a healthy meal takes 10 minutes to prepare by planning in advance.
Do you have an oven? Use that in winter and cook a roast leg of lamb, roast potatoes, carrots and pumpkin, soak the potatoes in water for an hour or two and they will be really crunchy when they're roasted. stab the leg of lamb and stuff anchovies and garlic into the holes. Also heats up the rooms. Leave the left-overs in the fridge, cut some off and nuke it when you want to eat some 2-5 minutes tops. or sandwiches. Your kitchen may suck, but you can still buy decent pots and pans.
Then there's the cost of fresh food. If it's not on sale it's expensive. If it is on sale it's about to go bad. You can freeze meat, but vegetables & fruits don't freeze well (fruit it tolerable in smoothies but nothing else).
You can blanch the vegies before you freeze them and that will help.
Also you can cut up fruit and freeze that. Combine with milk, honey, raw egg, nutmeg, cinnamon in a blender and you have ice cold smoothie. In summer, this is better than dinner because it cools you down (especially in an apartment) and helps keep the kilos off. You'll also sleep deeper because your digestive system isn't working very hard.
Packaged dinners are a great buy because they keep for months. I can buy them when they're on sale, stock up and save.
Which is where you use the blanched or fresh vegies. Get a rice steamer, and while the packaged dinner heats chop up the vegies (beans, snow peas, mushrooms whatever) into one inch chunks, rinse them in the rice cooker add some spices and seal it. The packed dinner should be ready and then nuke the vegies - suddenly packaged dinner is not bad at all, 5 minutes.
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Quite rational comment. Too many people blame their over-eating and under-exercising on evil machinations of the food corporations. When Coke came out, 200ml was considered "enough for the whole family". Now they hand 1l or more to a single person in a burger restaurant. Little wonder the body will transform this huge amount of excess sugar into fat.
Generally speaking, rich world people over-consume energy and do not have enough exercise. After all, why take a walk in the cold if you can drive a car ? Never mind our body has evolved during stone age and earlier to roam distances of kilometers. Convenience !!!!
"You see folks, I once tried burning cheese using a lighter flame. Guess what; I didn't melt! "
Why should you melt if you heat some cheese?
The concept of "ultra-processed" seems similar to the precision in "non-natural" processing - processing that isn't commonly done in nature or traditional cooking methods.
Without actually defining _why_ some type of processing should be considered ultra-processed and some others shouldn't I can't see this as a homogeneous group without some "natural magic" added. And nature isn't magical.
One very common example of ultra-processed (using the vague definition given) is pre-processed starches of which there are many variants. One that is commonly used is pre-gelled starch: one takes a starch and treats it like it would be when cooked (heating in water) which generates a gel which is then dried and pulverized. This means that when one add the processed starch into water it will produce a gel without needing heating and with much less tendency to clump.
Doing this saves time but gives the exact same result as if one would take a non-processed starch, add it to a water-based liquid and then heating the result!
That fact haven't stopped people claiming that using this kind of processed starch is somehow bad, if not in some magic non-natural way then as a way of "cheating" consumers from properly prepared food.
You see folks, I once tried burning cheese using a lighter flame. Guess what; I didn't melt! At that point, I threw out all the cheese I had and have never bought any again. It's been 7 years now.
In a similar vein I stopped buying orange juice that isn't fresh squeezed from oranges right in front of me. Basically most orange juice sold these days is stored in oxygen free vats for up to a year which removes all the flavor and then the "flavor" is reintroduced using so called flavor packs which ensures it all tastes exactly the same. I'm not a fussy eater but I'll just make my own orange juice if I want some thanks.
Yes I'm aware that a lot of stuff we eat is probably similarly disgusting but gotta start somewhere right?
Eggs are heavily cleaned in the US.
This is true and not necessarily a good thing. It's also arguably unnecessary if you design the supply chain properly. As evidence see how eggs are handled in other countries without the same amount of washing. Most places in the world do not bother with the expensive cleaning and refrigeration systems the US supply chain requires.
In the US, the entire supply chain from post clean to shopping cart has to be germ free.
Not even remotely true and not possible either. The supply chain does have safe food handling regulations including cleaning and refrigeration and testing but safe handling does not equal germ free. If it was germ free it would be FAR more expensive.
Now the US egg lasts a lot longer because it's been sterilized and sits in a sterile environment.
A) They aren't sterilized. Some (but not all) eggs are pasteurized which isn't the same thing. Those that aren't are cleaned but nothing remotely close to sterile.
B) Eggs are most certainly not stored in a sterile environment nor are they handled in a sterile manner in most of the supply chain. Especially once they reach the grocery store. People open literally almost every egg carton to ensure no breakage prior to purchase so they are a LONG way from sterile by the time you get your hands on them.
C) Eggs in the US demonstrably do not last longer and because of how they are processed they have to be refrigerated which is not required other places. I own chickens and eggs that aren't cleaned (which removes the protective coatings) actually can sit on a counter for weeks without ill effect even without refrigeration. US eggs are refrigerated which makes a difference but you can refrigerate uncleaned eggs too and get the same effect. Once you refrigerate an egg though it has to stay refrigerated until you use it.
I am not sure how old you are, or where your "reality" comes from. Marxism was a big thing in the 1940's and 1950's. Feminism is far older it was big in the 1920's and 1930's, but had its origins earlier than that. Your grandparents probably took Hollywood more seriously than people do today.
People have been campaigning for social justice since at least the time of Jesus Christ, and probably even earlier - you might remember a guy called Moses saying "let my people go". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzDw1QF-9ko? Not all people trying to stop their surroundings being actively destroyed are "Ecology-Nazis" although clearly some are.
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> We now understand that excess sugar creates diabetics,
"We" don't. Most Type 1 is an auto-immune problem that destroys beta cells that make insulin, it's the far more severe form of diabetes. And it's triggered by types of flu. Type 2, which is 20 times as common, is mostly insulin resistance. The *treatment* is weight control exercise, exercise, healthy lifestyle, etc. High carb diets with no fat to slow the food aggravates the hell out of it, like using poison ivy as toilet paper aggravates matters. But early onset of Type 2 often includes bouncy blood sugars and increasingly high insulin levels. *That makes you hungry!!!!* As you eat in response, you gain weight, which makes insulin less effective, and you get a positive feedback loop.
Do not get me *started* on Klinefelter's syndrome as a cause of diabetes. They've XXY chromosomes, genuinely "non-binary" as opposed to most of the politically non-binary people I know, and have a variety of other medical issues. Their biology is like trying to mount a motorcycle front wheel and steering on a mini-van. Errors happen.
Try to live like your grandparents did.
Eat a lot of fried food, use butter and/or animal fat when cooking just about everything, and smoke unfiltered cigarettes?
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Beyond nutritional composition, neoformed contaminants, some of which have carcinogenic properties (such as acrylamide, heterocyclic amines, and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons), are present in heat treated processed food products as a result of the Maillard reaction
The Maillard reaction is what gives ALL browned foods their distinctive flavors. This implies that ALL foods that have been browned, say a chicken breast in a skillet, will have those same "neoformed contaminants".
Participants were invited to complete a series of three non-consecutive, validated, web based 24 hour dietary records every six months (to vary the season of completion), randomly assigned over a two week period (two weekdays and one weekend day). To be included in the nutrition component of the NutriNet-Santé cohort, only two dietary records were mandatory. We did not exclude participants if they did not complete all optional questionnaires. We averaged mean dietary intakes from all the 24 hour dietary records available during the first two years of each participant’s follow-up and considered these as baseline usual dietary intakes in this prospective analysis.
This is pretty sloppy research methodology. It contains a form of self-selection and has two few data points. In order to be included in the study only two data points are required over two years and the participants chose when and whether to provide information.
How did this pass peer review? Get back to me when you have some real science.
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Refined carbs / processed foods are the devil. S.A.D. - Standad American Diet. Add greatly increased risk factors for heart disease, obesity, diabetes, auto-immune diseases and the list goes on.
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Organic != not preprocessed.
Organic food can be processed. Unprocessed food need not be organic.
Maybe because the subject has nothing to do with veganism?
Vegan food can be just as processed as non-vegan food.
ultra processed is not that new a thing. most of our school food was pretty heavily processed 20 years ago.
Well, that certainly brings up some potential causes to explain what's wrong with millennials.
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You misspelled "cancer merchant". Best announced whilst pelting your target with cigarettes.
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Years ago we bought cheese and made pizza but whatever brand it was was absolutely terrible. The was a plastic film covering the melted "cheese". Needless to say, we didn't eat it and got a refund.
They're called "cheese slices", and you're supposed to take them out of the plastic wrappers before you put them on the pizza.
You ate the premise of the article hook and sinker. Whatabout quantity ? Maybe over-eating causes cancer ? Maybe those who eat processed food also eat too much ?
Poison is poison. And it makes little sense to put it in your body regardless of quantity. While we may argue the correlation of this study, there are NO studies out there claiming that over-processed foods are good for you (at least not yet; I'm certain the Meat Mafia will chime in soon).
When it comes to food, simplicity is key, and there should be enough evidence of the benefits of that logic by doing nothing more than looking at the community of people who stick to a healthy diet and combine that with some exercise. That simple combination has been proven to minimize or avoid the most common afflictions that are killing millions of humans every year.
No, we should not fall victim to correlation automatically defining causation. But when it comes to our food supply, there is far too much evidence that proves that greed and corruption will bend facts and defend their poison-ladened profits to the death. To each their own. Life is full of risk. I simply see some risks as utterly pointless, and therefore avoidable.
I personally like not having to clean the chicken shit from my eggs when I get home from the store.
So don't clean it off. Seriously, it isn't necessary except in rare cases and it's unlikely to harm you in any way. Washing in many cases actually increases the risk of getting salmonella and other pathogens into the egg so I prefer eggs that are actually safe and produced with best practices. 90+% of the world doesn't wash eggs the way they do in the US and they get similar to better results. A lot of egg producers vaccinate their birds against salmonella.
I raise my own chickens and eat the eggs they lay. Sometimes the shells have a little poop on them and there is vast evidence that this does not present a serious health risk if the birds and eggs are handled properly. If this grosses you out then you are a bit of a weenie and you aren't basing your behavior on actual evidence.
> We now understand that excess sugar creates diabetics,
"We" don't. Most Type 1 is an auto-immune problem that destroys beta cells that make insulin, it's the far more severe form of diabetes. And it's triggered by types of flu. Type 2, which is 20 times as common, is mostly insulin resistance. The *treatment* is weight control exercise, exercise, healthy lifestyle, etc.
I said we understand that excessive sugar intake can cause diabetes, which the link to sugary drinks has been proven. No doctor or nutritionist looks at the soda addict facing the onset of diabetes and says "Oh, you drink a gallon of soda a day? Yeah, no problem. You can keep drinking that, just exercise more."
Yes, there are many other causes of diabetes, but there's little left to dispute the influence of sugar.
Oh, wow, science... Meanwhile, the supposed dangers of Genetically Modified foods remain unsubstantiated FUD.
Unfortunately, one seeking to buy foods without the actually dangerous contaminants must also pay for them being non-GMO. Because, at least in the US, "non-GMO" is a prerequisite for "USDA Organic" certification.
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Stainless is hard to clean. Probably because I live in a place with water so hard soap barely lathers but my stainless all stains. I have caste iron and good quality non stick pans. They help some but there are limits to what they can do.
It's not free time because in the back of my head I'm waiting for a hot pan. I need to keep an eye on it. I suppose I'm more than a bit neurotic in that regard, be even if I wasn't 15 minutes isn't enough time to relax.
The trouble with freezing is a) I'm already a bad cook and freezing the food doesn't help and b) small apartment freezer.
And I've been at this for years. I'm at the limits of my skill level. Being color blind doesn't help, nor does my poor sense of smell / taste. A lot of what makes people good cooks are sharper senses than I actually have. It's one of the reasons I gave up on Chemistry and went into IT. Still, I don't think I'm not uncommon a type of person. Maybe a little extreme ( I sometimes have to go by 'use by' dates because I can't always tell if something's gone bad, can't see green and what not) but I get the sense there's lots of folks with less extreme cases of what I have going on.
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they're making the best choices they _can_ make in the context of their lives. Low pay, long hours and constant stress puts them in a position where these foods are a logical and reasonable choice.
The message I'm conveying is that the working class, particularly the working poor, are being set up to fail. We're doing terrible things to them for the sake of profit and using the phrase 'lifestyle choices' to push the blame onto them so that when our empathic response kicks in we can tamp down on it and keep doing the bad things we want to do for profit. Otherwise we'd have to admit that their lives suck and that their choices make sense in the context of an awful life in an awful world and that we're complicit in making that world and that life.
Basically, the upper middle class and well to do know they're doing something wrong and they're coming up with logic to justify it. There's even a name for it: Prosperity Gospel. Google it, lots of articles on it.
Sorry to be so pedantic, but it was clear my message wasn't getting through.
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What are "pot noodles"?
I've not heard that term before....
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My opinion of the parent poster.
Maybe he should involve himself in MAGA instead of playing with lighters.
They adjusted for at least: age, sex, body mass index, height, physical activity, smoking status, energy intake, family history of cancer, and educational level. So no, it's not the "fatness" of the people eating the food.
and that's why I moved thirty minutes out of the big city, and shop directly from, wait for it, farms. Taste, texture, cost, ease, all far better than any grocery store.
Like Judas kissing Jesus, I can't convey how much it makes me cringe to read you refer favorably to Jesus as a social justice warrior.
Jesus wasn't trying to help society or even advocating on its behalf. He was helping his neighbor and commanded his followers to follow his example.
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Please define "ultra-processed".
Please tell us which ingredients cause cancer, and in what amounts.
The fact is overeating and being overweight are far more dangerous to your health than processing and preservatives that make your food safe to eat by the time it gets to you. There are plenty of things I avoid, such as soy (most commercial soy is produced in an unsafe way because proper fermentation takes longer, also I don't exactly need estrogenic shit all up in me) and HFCS (your typical 55/45 blend is far enough off from the expected 50/50 that it can cause issues, but the main reason I avoid it is to limit the quantity of sugar overall because it's unnecessarily added to so many things). But you clowns are worrying about food coloring because rats given a full pint of it showed a 2% increase in cancer risk, and you're treating "processed" foods as evil despite not understanding that the various processing involved is what makes it so you can have bread without mold and meat that doesn't make you puke your own feces.
Lazy would be someone who never bothers to try to make their own hot breakfast with pancakes and eggs! This guy says he cooks "most of his own meals".
Personally, I never cook things like that.... Maybe you can call me lazy, but I'm just not a fan of breakfast OR a morning person. If my alternate is sleeping in a bit later, I'll pick that any time over getting up extra early to make breakfast. I grew up eating cold cereal and toast with some juice for breakfast -- and I'm still ok with that if I actually want to eat that early in the morning. I rather like saving hot breakfast as something for special occasions like vacation trips.
On the other hand, I was out until 11:30PM or so fixing circuit issues at one of our offices, at work .... so again, no so sure you can label me "lazy".
... I'm not even supposed to be here today!
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Please define "ultra-processed". Please tell us which ingredients cause cancer, and in what amounts.
What would it matter? The masses didn't want to believe that cigarettes were harmful for the better part of a century, despite millions dying from it. I already know that it would take at least two dozen studies and a few million deaths in order to define "ultra-processed". I really don't understand the logic of always defaulting to the "It's bad, but not THAT bad, right?" defense when it comes to food. Have we not heard a greedy food industry LIE enough to defend profits? Is it THAT difficult to look for a benefit in food instead of justifying the lethal threshold? I mean, damn.
The fact is overeating and being overweight are far more dangerous to your health than processing and preservatives that make your food safe to eat by the time it gets to you.
So, a handful of cigarettes a day isn't so bad, right? I mean, it's not like I'm gorging myself on two packs a day. Bottom line is it wouldn't matter if we actually DID prove that the food you eat matters as much as the weight you maintain. Millions would have to die in order for mentalities to change. And given the obesity epidemic, I doubt it would even change then.
There are plenty of things I avoid, such as soy (most commercial soy is produced in an unsafe way because proper fermentation takes longer, also I don't exactly need estrogenic shit all up in me) and HFCS (your typical 55/45 blend is far enough off from the expected 50/50 that it can cause issues, but the main reason I avoid it is to limit the quantity of sugar overall because it's unnecessarily added to so many things). But you clowns are worrying about food coloring because rats given a full pint of it showed a 2% increase in cancer risk, and you're treating "processed" foods as evil despite not understanding that the various processing involved is what makes it so you can have bread without mold and meat that doesn't make you puke your own feces.
So, you understand and are adverse to certain known poisons, but you simply blindly trust the food industry with other questionable additives?
I guess statistics and common sense get in my way of believing that the food processing industry holds my safety over their profits, especially as people tend to cure common ailments and achieve good health when they start AVOIDING all that "Grade-A" processed shit the industry labels "safe". To each their own I suppose.
You could have probably found this in less time than it took to ask. There's lots of neat stuff on Wikipedia. Give it a chance.
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People have been campaigning for social justice since at least the time of Jesus Christ
I agree that all this has been going on for thousands of years.
But the modern difference is that the SJWs of today are self-righteous, privileged, and self-entitled scumbags interested not in making the world better but purely interested in virtue signalling, bullying, and gaining power for themselves... Much like the pharisees of Jesus' time come to think of it. So, basically, you're totally right and I agree.
Who uses cheese slices on pizza? "Grated" seems like the only reasonable option. Admittedly, I've never TRIED putting cheese slices on pizza, but it sounds like a terrible idea.
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Anything is safe at sufficiently low dosages, and sufficiently much of anything will kill you. Vitamin A will trash your liver if you eat too much of it, so it's a poison. You also need it in lower dosages.
One really common affliction that kills millions of people every year is cancer. That's pretty well correlated with longevity, so the easiest way to reduce the cancer death rate is to have people die younger, like they used to. This stuff isn't as simple as it looks.
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One main use of preservatives is to destroy or resist-proliferation of bacteria, of course, good and bad. But when we eat this food-substitute, guess what actually breaks down and processes the food ?? Bacteria!! ( ok... ok.. Acid helps too! ) So.. How does our Gut Flora like being treated with Junk FOod that doesn't ever need to be refrigerated!??!?! Here is a challenge... identify why Peanut butter doesn't need refrigeration, and another: can we treat our food with good/benevolant/nutritious bacteria that would keep our food protected from Bad Guys (tm) ? (( While on topic, is it good to eat anerobic bacteria strains, and why is it good to eat yoghurt? ))
Time for a new Political party in the US (or two!) One is off the rails Other cant pony up a leader.
One really common affliction that kills millions of people every year is cancer. That's pretty well correlated with longevity, so the easiest way to reduce the cancer death rate is to have people die younger, like they used to. This stuff isn't as simple as it looks.
100 years ago cancer affected 3 out of every 100. Today if affects 1 in 3. The government declared a War on Cancer well over 45 years ago (1971), which has basically done nothing to the ever-rising impact of cancer. We certainly have a lot of evidence that points to the shit we've added to our food supply. In 1935, there was but one case of cancer reported in the last half century from Eskimos living in Alaska and Canada. After they began adding processed foods into their diet, the cancer rate exploded until it was eventually equal to us "modern" folks killing ourselves with food.
GMOs and insecticide use, fat-free diets, synthetic estrogen, polyunsaturated fats, HFCS and refined sugars...all of these play their role, with corruption silencing any evidence that even hints at a negative impact on our health due to the massive profits made within these powerful industries. Of course we can't overlook the largest factor that created the Cancer Industrial Complex; the disease of Greed. A cure for cancer? Yeah, that will never be allowed to happen.
We've seen many of our most common afflictions reversed with nothing more than converting to a good diet and exercise regimen. Yes, it CAN that simple. The masses simply refuse to believe it, and greed and corruption prevent this simple truth from perpetuating.
I believe that their slogan used to be 'a refreshing alternative to food'. Basically, cardboard in the shape of noodles, with a little packet of MSG and other flavour enhancers, that you pour boiling water over to get something that has several properties in common with food.
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Hint: If the thing describes itself as 'cheese', rather than as a specific kind of cheese, it is probably not cheese. Similarly, if you buy a bottle whose label tells you only that it's 'wine' or 'beer', then it probably isn't.
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And US eggs are pasteurized and sanitatized (steril was the wrong word).
Most eggs sold in the US are washed but most are NOT pasteurized. According to the USDA less than 3% of eggs sold in the US are pasteurized though that number is rising.
So while a US egg lasts 5 weeks after packing (regs wise); UK eggs last 3 weeks. 4th if you refrigerate at home..
Citation needed. The times you quote are at best guidelines from egg producers and are not based in rigorous independent studies. Eggs can and do last a lot longer than 5 weeks after packing and they usually take a week or two to get to a store and get purchased. I routinely eat eggs that are older than 5 weeks which are perfectly good. I raise my own chickens so my information is from both first hand experience and from credible sources who have actually researched the issue.
Part of what you say is true
Far more than a part of what I say is true but thanks for the backhanded compliment/insult.
a US treated egg going through a UK supply chain probably won't make the one week journey to the store.
So what? It wouldn't be legal (or smart) to sell a US egg in the UK because of the handling differences. Once you wash it the clock starts ticking unless you immediately refrigerate it. You're making a strawman argument here.
Also, our washing may seem expensive to others around the world, but keep in mind that at the end of the day, the prices are about the same with UK eggs just a percent or three higher.
A few percent matters a lot. Margins in food production are thin to begin with so every little bit matters. Farmers and supermarkets live on just a few percent margin and modest differences in prices make a big difference in total sales. The reason you don't notice the price difference much is because US eggs are prohibited by regulation from competing with UK eggs and it's more complicated than just washing versus not because the supply chains are substantially different from beginning to end.
Do you own a cheese-burning stove? Is that why you tried to light it? What's wrong with burning wood? I'm dreadfully confused.
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A sort of instant stomach filler.
If you buy Korean ones, you hope they're not poodles.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I do. Why not?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
And so was Snow White. Why do people not take her more seriously? I don't get it. Jesus and Snow White are so cool.
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So they "may be", which also means "may not be". Yeah, that pretty much covers the possibilities.
And "linked to" not "a known and important cause of". Because linked could even all sorts of things, not just causation -- in that direction. It could mean that cancer causes people to eat ultra-processed food, long before the cancer is detectable.
I wouldn't place any bets on that being how things shake out, ultimately. But "linked to" does include that, and a lot of other things, not just the conclusion people jump to.
There's no time like the present. Well, the past used to be.
There's a lot of things that have happened in the last century. One thing that happened is that we got very good at curing diseases and avoiding injuries that would kill people before they got old enough to get cancer (which is predominantly an old person's disease). You name a lot of things in modern diets, but you don't mention a host of additional changes that may influence the cancer rate. You also don't provide any links with anything you said and cancer. It's likely that some of those have some influence on cancer rates, but there's no indication of which.
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