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LinkedIn Users Will Soon Know What Jobs Pay Before Applying for Them (adweek.com)

LinkedIn just introduced a way to help its members avoid going through the interview process for jobs with salaries that do not meet their expectations. From a report: The professional network announced the rollout of Salary Insights, which will add estimated or expected salary ranges to open roles, getting the numbers either through salary ranges provided by employers or estimated ranges from data submitted by members. The feature will launch "in the coming weeks." Salary Insights marks the next step after LinkedIn Salary, which the professional network launched in November 2016 to provide its users with information on salaries, bonuses and equity data for specific job titles, as well as factors that impact those salaries, including experience, industry, company size, location and education level.

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  1. Not here by war4peace · · Score: 1

    Not in Romania, they won't.
    Employers never, ever post salary ranges, and employees are forbidden from telling them, or they can be fired.

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    1. Re:Not here by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Of course they'll be posted. "Negotiable", "According to experience" or everyone's favourite - "Market rate" .

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    2. Re:Not here by socheres · · Score: 1

      we'll see

    3. Re:Not here by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Not in Romania, they won't. Employers never, ever post salary ranges,

      I'll bet they'll complain that they can't get people, even though they're not prepared to do what it takes to get people and even if that costs nothing.

      At least I'm assuming Romanians companies aren't on the whole aren't different from any other companies.

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    4. Re:Not here by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to an interview before we have at least a preliminary conversation about salary.

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    5. Re:Not here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not in Romania, they won't.
      Employers never, ever post salary ranges, and employees are forbidden from telling them, or they can be fired.

      That's retarded. This is one of the first questions I ask (salary range) in the very first round of interviews. I also ask about vacation days, as well retirement and health plans.

      I want to know all of this up-front so everyone can prevent wasting time.

      If I'm called in for an in-person interview, then I start asking about details about the job, environment, and company culture.

    6. Re:Not here by war4peace · · Score: 1

      What I meant is you have to go there in person and hold the interview before even finding what the salary range is.
      the last thing you want is spending 3h to find out they can only offer you 70% of what you already make.

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    7. Re:Not here by war4peace · · Score: 1

      You are correct, they do complain.
      Nobody wants our shitty-paid jobs, waaaah”

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  2. For Men/Women/Other by makerfixer · · Score: 0

    Is the salary automatically adjusted or do women have to apply a factor themselves?

    1. Re:For Men/Women/Other by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1, Troll

      Microsoft is an SJW company so chances are they will give women and minorities the top estimated salary of a range and white males the bottom. That in itself will influence what people are pitching themselves as.

    2. Re:For Men/Women/Other by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Someone who asks for a higher salary may have it adjusted upward.

      If a smaller percentage of women ask for a higher salary, then they'll effectively be applying a downward factor to themselves.

    3. Re:For Men/Women/Other by Q-Hack! · · Score: 1

      Other wise known as systemic patriarchy.

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    4. Re:For Men/Women/Other by uncqual · · Score: 1

      Otherwise known as negotiating. And, those that negotiate in the workplace will generally get more stuff accomplished. Those who successfully negotiate for salary are likely to be more effective in the workplace and are worth the extra compensation they received.

      Not all negotiations are "hard ball" and salary negotiations for most software development positions are usually not. The employer knows what they can pay, they offer somewhat less (both to save money if you accept the offer and to give them room to negotiate if needed). Of course, you have to be willing to take some risks -- including swallowing your pride or passing on the job if the employer is unwilling to meet you in the middle.

      Negotiations happen all the time in the workplace, it's an important skill. Of course if I stay until 3AM for five days straight helping you track down a heisenbug that I'm sure is in your area but I can help you with, I expect something in return for my extra effort. Maybe you will never be in a position to help me, but if you are and don't, expect your professional life to take a hit.

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    5. Re: For Men/Women/Other by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Otherwise known as zzzzz...snooze.

  3. LinkedIn gaining relevance by ArtemaOne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This could be a pretty big change for LinkedIn. I forsee more people using it. I also think it could make corporations be wary and start using other services.

    1. Re:LinkedIn gaining relevance by Freischutz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This could be a pretty big change for LinkedIn. I forsee more people using it. I also think it could make corporations be wary and start using other services.

      You ask me this feature would be a big relief. It is such enormous fun to be made to jump through all the flaming interview hoops only to find out that you are expected to work for a totally unacceptable salary. However, there are other tricks that employers use like offering a flat salary while they retain the option to make you work over time and weekends whenever they want to. At this one place I applied for a job they asked me how well I worked under pressure, I told them I'd finished a Comp Sci degree in the top ten percent of my year, what did they think? Then I asked the HR type: Why do you ask? Will I be spending a lot of time working under pressure? He was not amused. So just some hints for those of you who are just starting out:

      1) If they want you to work for a flat salary with no ceiling on working time and promise it will only be the occasional evening and weekend work only in emergencies that is HR speak for: "We are planning to put you on permanent 24/7 standby without paying you extra for it."
      2) If anybody ever asks you during a job interview if you work well under pressure that is HR speak for: "We are running our company's operations with a skeleton crew to maximise profits, we are always on the verge of missing deadlines and you can expect to be worked to death"

      Also watch out for clauses in the contract that prohibit you from working for anybody else in the industry for N years after quitting at their company. Some employers even add clauses forbidding you to work on any FOSS projects at all. That is bad because FOSS projects are a good way to satisfy the kind of employer that wants you to provide code samples. I'm fine with code samples but I usually don't waste my time on perspective employers who send me math puzzles since I have yet to be offered a job solving math puzzles. One outfit I worked for even tried to get me to sign a new contract that contained a clause so broadly worded that they could have claimed ownership of *any* code I wrote, even on my own time outside of working hours and even if it was unrelated to their business. I'm not going to attribute malice to this, that contract was probably just written by a really incompetent lawyer whose chief qualification was being related to one of the managers but I still refused to sign the damn thing. Now if Linked-in would add a feature that allows me to see shit like this it would make my life even easier than knowing in advance what they are planning to pay me.

    2. Re:LinkedIn gaining relevance by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Also watch out for clauses in the contract that prohibit you from working for anybody else in the industry for N years after quitting at their company.

      This is one reason why it's good to be in California, where those clauses are always explicitly illegal.

      Some employers even add clauses forbidding you to work on any FOSS projects at all. That is bad because FOSS projects are a good way to satisfy the kind of employer that wants you to provide code samples.

      Most people don't regularly write open source software, so if an employer wants you to provide code samples, IMO that's a big red flag; it means that one of the following is probably true:

      • They are trying to steal other companies' code.
      • They are trying to dodge age discrimination laws by asking for something that only new college hires can realistically provide.
      • They are completely incompetent.

      Any of these things is a fairly strong indication that you really don't want to work there.

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    3. Re:LinkedIn gaining relevance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROFL.
          The sheer amount of crap in people's profiles on LinkedIn is staggering. I saw one person say that they worked on a project of mine for 9 months. All he did was to use a spare desk in our project area. He did no work on it at all.
      The employment histories are often totally fake. In some tech areas, the community pretty well knows who is good and who isn't. I've seen many resume's cross my desk that are works of fiction and everyone in the community knows it.
      Then there is all that personal crap on LinkedIn. Really? Do you really want to make Identity Theft that easy.

      Now we screen applicants and those who are active on LinkedIn are put at the bottom of the pile. I only maintain my account so that I can see the profiles of people who apply to us for work. As far as LinkedIn is concerned, I still work for a company that went belly up in 2009.

      Relevance? More like Irrelevant if you ask me.

    4. Re:LinkedIn gaining relevance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting Anon because I am modding.

      I've seen the same thing when I was interviewing people. Lots of BS and out right lies on resumes, I could not believe that people would be so blatant with them.

      It also made me realize why I get offered so many jobs on the first interview. I dont lie on my resume and if I say I know something, I know it inside out.

    5. Re:LinkedIn gaining relevance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's to get through the automated BS filters and actually get an interview.
      How many times do we see something like "Requires minimum 5 yrs in ABC language" when ABC has existed for 2?
      I don't work in IT (but I am a tech junkie), but I see the job postings all the times.
      Laundry lists of tech TLA's and unreasonable amounts of experience.
      It appears to just be a tool to justify H1B's. "No qualified local candidates."

      At the same time, I've met many a young shaver, that think they "deserve" a CEO level salary for an entry level position; based solely on the pedigree of some college they partied at for 4-6 years.

  4. Missing features / I don't think so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Missing feature: Add a reporting system and reputation score for employers who offer significantly below market wages. I.e.: if I apply for a security engineer position advertised paying an average of X as per market data and once I've been through the interview process the employer offers X * 0.7 and isn't willing to negotiate further, I should be able to report that employer and there should be some kind of visibility so that other employees don't waste their time with said employer.

    I don't think so: I have 0 intentions of publishing my salaries on LinkedIn.

    1. Re:Missing features / I don't think so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      glassdoor.com is what you are looking for. ;)

  5. Yawn... by Freischutz · · Score: 2

    LinkedIn Users Will Soon Know What Jobs Pay Before Applying for Them

    That's nice but what pisses me off the most about job interviews is not that, its being asked to a job interview and having a conversation something akin to the following:

    Interviewer: We are looking to replace Bob who left us recently. We are looking for a somebody who know <long list of APIs> and has recently worked on <insanely specific project description>, we really need a close fit on this.
    Me: No, if I had it would say so in my CV.
    Interviewer: So, do you know Microsoft .NET
    Me: No, if I did it would say so in my CV.
    Interviewer: Do you have any Microsoft programming experience.
    Me: No, if I had it would say so in my CV, in fact it says in my CV I have 10 years of Linux system programming experienece in C/C++.
    Interviewer: Well I must say I'm rather disappointed, why did you even apply here?
    Me: I was sent here by the person at the recruiting office who told me you wanted to interview me for a job because my CV matched what you were looking for.
    Interviewer: Well, ... it seems your skill profile is incompatible with our requirements.
    Me: No shit stupid, **which my the common sense processor in my brain modifies to: This is true**.
    Interviewer: Looks at his laptop screen and types something.
    Me: Can I ask you something?
    Interviewer: Sure, shoot?
    Me: Did you even read my CV?
    Interviewer: Scowls and does not answer.

    1. Re:Yawn... by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      You both got fucked by idiotic paper pushers. You by your 'recruiter' he by his HR drone.

      He hadn't seen your resume until the interview started. HR had assured him, they had prefiltered for qualified applicants (read: 'filtered _out_ all qualified applicants').

      HR is useless, recruiters are useless, but you know that. _All_ qualified applicants and good jobs are matched via the side door end runs around HR.

      Watch out for recruiters that want to use 'the back door', unless you're into that kind of thing... Some of those bastards will edit your resume (lying for you) before sending them out.

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    2. Re:Yawn... by Freischutz · · Score: 2

      You both got fucked by idiotic paper pushers. You by your 'recruiter' he by his HR drone.

      He hadn't seen your resume until the interview started. HR had assured him, they had prefiltered for qualified applicants (read: 'filtered _out_ all qualified applicants').

      HR is useless, recruiters are useless, but you know that. _All_ qualified applicants and good jobs are matched via the side door end runs around HR.

      Watch out for recruiters that want to use 'the back door', unless you're into that kind of thing... Some of those bastards will edit your resume (lying for you) before sending them out.

      I disagree, I've had several Job interviews like this and I have two major issues with what happened. Firstly an interviewer should not interview anybody until he has read the CV. It does not take **that** long to read a damn CV. I was quite annoyed at these people for wasting my time by being too lazy to read my CV. Secondly the specification for an exact Bob replacement was so insanely specific it could only have been met if they'd had a backup tape of Bob's brain and then uploaded it into a Bob clone they commissioned from some underground cloning facility in North Korea. The lesson I drew from these experiences is that most employment agencies, head hunters and HR people (with a few notable exceptions) are largely useless in this capacity. I've been interviewed by exactly one HR person who I thought did a really competent job. Other than that the only truly useful job interviews I have had were with the department heads and people I would be working for/with.

    3. Re:Yawn... by BeemanIT · · Score: 1

      On the other side Mr/Mrs HR may have a friend they want to get hired so they get their friend to specifically list in his/her resume the certain crazy things. So on the surface it appears that they went through the interview process normally when in fact they have friends on the inside.

    4. Re: Yawn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At one company I interviewed at,the sole purpose was to negotiate your compensation. If you didn't bring it up, you weren't hired.

    5. Re:Yawn... by Junta · · Score: 1

      Well, one I don't know if that recruiter was for the company or a third party headhunter.

      One time I was pulled in by a third party recruiter and the interviewer starts talking about skills from my resume I didn't recall. I asked to see their copy of my resume and the recruiter had *changed* it to say things to get me in the door,and I mentioned that and presented my actual resume. This was something the parent mentioned, that the recruiter can modify the CV on its way through.

      Now on the face of it, this would seem pretty underhanded, but I got that job and the manager said that he would have probably not have even gotten to see my resume as I had typed up, for lack of actual direct experience in the field.

      Eventually in that position I got to interview people. We would ask about certain things even if omitted by a resume, because about 25% of the time, the answer turns out to be yes, but they didn't prioritize it in their resume. Many keep their resume/CV "to the point" and try to filter out what they would guess as irrelevant to the position. Often times we would mention something not expressly listed in the opening, because during the course of an interview we discern there might be valuable, albeit not directly relevant experience. For example, we had the converse of your situation, a graduate who's school curriculum was basically 100% microsoft funded and we needed a linux developer. He could talk all day long about C# and the .Net framework. None of this was directly relevant, but we asked questions and evaluated his C# experience and how adaptable he seemed to be and his general attitude when faced with the prospect of something outside his experience and Linux centric. We decided he was the second best candidate of many despite complete lack of direct experience. The best did have more direct experience and it certainly was a concern, but if not for that better candidate, he would have gotten the job, even though he had none of the direct experience we requested in the position.

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    6. Re: Yawn... by Junta · · Score: 1

      That is peculiar, as in many *more* interview situations, the interviewer can be put off if you are too interested in talking about benefits and salary before things are settled.

      I recall once we had an entry position and one guy *really* put off the manager by asking about flexible hours and vacation too early. The kicker is the answers in practice would have been pretty good for the candidate, but the hiring manager made it sound rougher, largely because they were a bit frustrated by the asking. It was an exceedingly dumb thing and petty for the manager, but it's sadly the practical reality.

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    7. Re:Yawn... by jasno · · Score: 1

      Never had this. I have had endless recruiters send me job offers for things outside my core competency(embedded linux, c/c++/python). I have never gotten close to the interview stage without establishing the requirements of the job. My time, and the time of the interviewer, is very valuable. Senior dev time is expensive. Both me and the companies I have interviewed with have always made damn sure, usually through phone interviews, that we are on the same page regarding the job's requirements. I think you need to turn down interviews where you haven't directly spoken with the company beforehand.

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    8. Re:Yawn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      _All_ qualified applicants and good jobs are matched via the side door end runs around HR.

      Don't know about _all_, but certainly every job I've had in the last 25 years has been brought to me rather than me applying and interviewing for it.

    9. Re:Yawn... by m00sh · · Score: 1

      LinkedIn Users Will Soon Know What Jobs Pay Before Applying for Them

      That's nice but what pisses me off the most about job interviews is not that, its being asked to a job interview and having a conversation something akin to the following: Interviewer: We are looking to replace Bob who left us recently. We are looking for a somebody who know <long list of APIs> and has recently worked on <insanely specific project description>, we really need a close fit on this. Me: No, if I had it would say so in my CV. Interviewer: So, do you know Microsoft .NET Me: No, if I did it would say so in my CV. Interviewer: Do you have any Microsoft programming experience. Me: No, if I had it would say so in my CV, in fact it says in my CV I have 10 years of Linux system programming experienece in C/C++. Interviewer: Well I must say I'm rather disappointed, why did you even apply here? Me: I was sent here by the person at the recruiting office who told me you wanted to interview me for a job because my CV matched what you were looking for. Interviewer: Well, ... it seems your skill profile is incompatible with our requirements. Me: No shit stupid, **which my the common sense processor in my brain modifies to: This is true**. Interviewer: Looks at his laptop screen and types something. Me: Can I ask you something? Interviewer: Sure, shoot? Me: Did you even read my CV? Interviewer: Scowls and does not answer.

      Should not be interviewing for jobs through a recruiter! Especially after 10 years of industry experience.

  6. This is bad news by OrangeTide · · Score: 0

    The sharing of information is going to benefit employers and not prospective employees. All employers will be advertising the lower value, then during negotiation will increase the salary slightly. You won't see employers advertising the maximum they are willing to pay then negotiating down.

    The end result? We'll see a trend of tech salaries moving lower.

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    1. Re:This is bad news by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All employers will be advertising the lower value ...

      Any company that does that will get fewer and lower quality applicants.

    2. Re:This is bad news by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

      This, I don't understand why a company does not publish salary as part of a job posting. You get to see this giant list of requirements of "What the company WANTS!" What they are willing to offer, eh, they make in extremely quiet like an employee would not be interested in that sort of thing.

    3. Re:This is bad news by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Any company that does that will get fewer and lower quality applicants.

      High quality applications are primarily internal referrals. Linkedin is used to fill out reqs in a department.

      Also lots of excellent and hard working technical people are bad at negotiating. It's not unusual to have a few of the best people on staff being paid average or even below average.

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    4. Re:This is bad news by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why a company does not publish salary as part of a job posting.

      Because the salary offered depends on the candidate. My company is currently attempting to fill several developer positions. For the skill and experience we are seeking, we will likely pay about $150k in base salary. But if a bright but inexperienced youngling applies, we will offer significantly less. On the other hand, if Jeff Dean applies, we would be happy to go ten times higher. If we include the salary in the ad, the youngling shows up for the interview with unrealistic expectation, and Jeff Dean never applies. So we just say "competitive compensation" and leave it at that.

    5. Re:This is bad news by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

      The converse of that is people who would qualify for your high-end would end up having to troll though a bunch of low-paying positions where companies think they can get the same guy for 100K and they will probably be 9 listings in that 100K range for your 150K. What is this theoretical future employee going to do?

      From my perspective, I hate job hunting for this exact reason. For positions that I would be interested I would apply 10 times, but only 1 that would fit my salary requirements. I might not even meet your needs for the position completely, so those 10 applications are just a waste of time for both of us. To find the 1 position that would get through HR and generate enough interest for a call back from you is 1 in 10. So to get a callback would require 100 applications, just to get a call back for the one position that would just meet my Salary requirements, not even other stuff, like is this a good company to work for.

      If this is the process to go through getting another job, this is why people generally go through referrals and take out a bunch of guess work for applying blindly to positions.

    6. Re:This is bad news by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The converse of that is people who would qualify for your high-end would end up having to troll though a bunch of low-paying positions

      My "high end" is $1M or more. Do you really think I should say that in the hope that Jeff Dean is reading Craigslist ads? That would waste the time of far, far more people, since I would not offer a salary like that to the other 99.9999%.

      Of course I could state a range, but that isn't really helpful either, since an applicant would have little idea where in that range they will be.

      Some candidates put an "expected salary" on their resume, and that is helpful, especially if it is reasonable and consistent with their experience.

      I also try to talk to people on the phone before inviting them for a F2F interview, and I always discuss ballpark salary expectations during the call, so we don't waste each other's time.

    7. Re:This is bad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wanted to say, "good on you" for that. FWIW, I and many others don't even bother with job ads, recruiters and HR - it's all word of mouth and trusted networks now. P2P job placement, if you will.

    8. Re:This is bad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Starting salary $50,000 for no experience or qualifications. Salary range is extremely flexible based on qualifications and experience. If you have the experience and/or qualifications, do not hesitate to apply."

    9. Re: This is bad news by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      So in other words your company doesn't know if it is looking to hire a college intern or a rock star. Where do I apply!!!?

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    10. Re:This is bad news by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      "Starting salary $50,000 for no experience or qualifications. Salary range is extremely flexible based on qualifications and experience. If you have the experience and/or qualifications, do not hesitate to apply."

      Such a vague and broad statement is absolutely useless to anyone.

    11. Re:This is bad news by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      In my experience most companies have an idea of what a job is worth. How much value it adds to the company. To an extent you can negotiate and maybe offer them something extra that justifies more money, but if they need a front end web developer it doesn't matter how much experience you have they ain't gonna pay embedded developer salary.

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  7. Glassdoor by blackfeltfedora · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Glassdoor already has a big jump on this information, it will be hard for LinkedIn to catch up. In an unrelated story, Microsoft has been screwing up LinkedIn since they bought it, I'm not using LinkedIn to tell business connections "Happy Birthday" or to track celebrity news.

    1. Re:Glassdoor by m00sh · · Score: 1

      Glassdoor already has a big jump on this information, it will be hard for LinkedIn to catch up. In an unrelated story, Microsoft has been screwing up LinkedIn since they bought it, I'm not using LinkedIn to tell business connections "Happy Birthday" or to track celebrity news.

      Glasshdoor information is all over the place.

      Some of their information is 5-8 years old. Some have been manipulated for whatever reasons. Maybe it is good for some areas but for my area it was not accurate and probably dangerous for candidates.

  8. Salary commensurate with experience? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Or the usual, which goes something like this––
    HR droid: Okay you're making X now. We can offer .8X plus $Y in variable comp (a.k.a. bonus) and we've paid out variable comp for the last eight quarters, so it's better than what you're making now.
    Me: No, I make X now and I get variable comp too on top of that. Salary is salary, variable comp is variable comp. Eight out of eight quarters is nice. Do you want to put a guarantee in writing about the next eight, ten, or twenty quarters.
    HR droid: Er, no.
    Me: I thought not. Also I'm trying advance, so for .8X or even for 1X I'll just stay where I am, thanks.

    1. Re:Salary commensurate with experience? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do not be an idiot telling interviewers how much you earn.

    2. Re:Salary commensurate with experience? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And my advice for you is don't be the idiot trying to give advice about things you know nothing about. In the 30+ years I've been working, every company I've interviewed at has asked my salary. I tell them what I'm looking for, which is usually higher than what I'm making. And if they're smart, they know, more or less, what I'm making anyway. No point in them wasting time writing an offer that's going to be (too) low.

      Also I don't talk salary with the interviewers. I talk salary with the HR droid who is going to write the offer. You might have noticed that up above your weak attempt at giving advice.

  9. Glassdoor... by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 1

    Glassdoor offers this same facility. Of the jobs that do provide a salary, most are estimated. When you request the salary range from the job's poster, it seems you never get an update.

    If LI is going to roll this out, they should REQUIRE that posters provide a salary range. And, when people interview and are told what the job really pays, those individuals should be permitted to report the real salary. If there is a major discrepancy after multiple updates by interviewees, flag the original job posting as MISLEADING.

    I feel that Glassdoor should do the same.

    Just my $0.02 worth

    1. Re:Glassdoor... by blackfeltfedora · · Score: 1

      If you use Glassdoor more than a couple times it pretty much forces you to enter your salary information, that's how they build their database. I used Glassdoor a lot because of my job and the loss of functionality pretty much forced me to enter my salary.

  10. M$ supports the GOP, both will be gone soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh get over yourself, M$ is a GOP based organization that supports Republican policies. The Democrats almost had M$ by the balls for becoming a monopoly then abusing that status. The GOP later reversed that and just slapped them on the wrist. M$ is the same today especially with their worn-out strategy "embrace, extend, extinguish" as well as their racist, misogynistic labor practices. Not surprising you would muddy the waters considering you are actually a astroturfing troll for M$. Thankfully both will be gone soon and you will be out of a job.
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    1. Re:M$ supports the GOP, both will be gone soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CORRECT AND THANK YOU for setting the basic factual record straight.

    2. Re:M$ supports the GOP, both will be gone soon by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      You're just making shit up. They literally fired all their people in Finland and killed their phone lines because they said the country had too many white males. They then followed up by stating that as the reason, then stopping a public chatbot they created because they thought it was being politically incorrect. Microsoft is as SJW as it gets.

  11. Employers would leave by SilverBlade2k · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't this just make employers leave LinkedIn, so that applicants can't know what the expected salary is so they can low-ball ?

    1. Re:Employers would leave by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't this just make employers leave LinkedIn, so that applicants can't know what the expected salary is so they can low-ball ?

      That would work about as well as not posting the salary. Thing is prospective employees want to know the salary whether or not a company is on linked in. A lot of us have had recruiters do the hard sell, butter us up then offer something like half (or less! my record was under 1/3) of what we're currently making.

      Prospective employers like to talk about all the interesting projects and cool stuff and how wonderful things are, but few people want to take a pay cut. And if the emplyoer's offer isn't in line with that then any further contact is a waste of time.

      Do you want to give the impression to potential employees that you might be wasting their time?

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    2. Re:Employers would leave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1/3?? Heck I did an interview where they wanted a Sr Linux engineer with a minimum of 15 years experience and the offer was $10 an hr on a 1099.

  12. Here's the rule of thumb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If a company post the salary, it is good.

    If a company does not post the salary, it is because they do not want people to know it is low.

  13. Really? by rnturn · · Score: 2

    I just looked at that LI tool and it's pretty sparsely populated. Most of the queries I threw at it had "$0" listed as the going salary. I'm sure it'll get better but for now it's not even as "good" as the salary estimates you get from Glassdoor.

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  14. Wait... by dohzer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wait... LinkedIn is for jobs? I always thought it was a game where you have to hit "Accept" for people you know and like, and "Ignore" for the thousands of foreigners you've never met.

  15. I work at a big tech company by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Mine definitely doesn't know if they want a NCG (new college grad) or a senior engineer. They interview people for almost any level. Inters go through a intern program for their interviews because they are temporary.

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