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LinkedIn Users Will Soon Know What Jobs Pay Before Applying for Them (adweek.com)
LinkedIn just introduced a way to help its members avoid going through the interview process for jobs with salaries that do not meet their expectations. From a report: The professional network announced the rollout of Salary Insights, which will add estimated or expected salary ranges to open roles, getting the numbers either through salary ranges provided by employers or estimated ranges from data submitted by members. The feature will launch "in the coming weeks." Salary Insights marks the next step after LinkedIn Salary, which the professional network launched in November 2016 to provide its users with information on salaries, bonuses and equity data for specific job titles, as well as factors that impact those salaries, including experience, industry, company size, location and education level.
Not in Romania, they won't.
Employers never, ever post salary ranges, and employees are forbidden from telling them, or they can be fired.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
This could be a pretty big change for LinkedIn. I forsee more people using it. I also think it could make corporations be wary and start using other services.
Microsoft is an SJW company so chances are they will give women and minorities the top estimated salary of a range and white males the bottom. That in itself will influence what people are pitching themselves as.
LinkedIn Users Will Soon Know What Jobs Pay Before Applying for Them
That's nice but what pisses me off the most about job interviews is not that, its being asked to a job interview and having a conversation something akin to the following:
.NET ... it seems your skill profile is incompatible with our requirements.
Interviewer: We are looking to replace Bob who left us recently. We are looking for a somebody who know <long list of APIs> and has recently worked on <insanely specific project description>, we really need a close fit on this.
Me: No, if I had it would say so in my CV.
Interviewer: So, do you know Microsoft
Me: No, if I did it would say so in my CV.
Interviewer: Do you have any Microsoft programming experience.
Me: No, if I had it would say so in my CV, in fact it says in my CV I have 10 years of Linux system programming experienece in C/C++.
Interviewer: Well I must say I'm rather disappointed, why did you even apply here?
Me: I was sent here by the person at the recruiting office who told me you wanted to interview me for a job because my CV matched what you were looking for.
Interviewer: Well,
Me: No shit stupid, **which my the common sense processor in my brain modifies to: This is true**.
Interviewer: Looks at his laptop screen and types something.
Me: Can I ask you something?
Interviewer: Sure, shoot?
Me: Did you even read my CV?
Interviewer: Scowls and does not answer.
Glassdoor already has a big jump on this information, it will be hard for LinkedIn to catch up. In an unrelated story, Microsoft has been screwing up LinkedIn since they bought it, I'm not using LinkedIn to tell business connections "Happy Birthday" or to track celebrity news.
Or the usual, which goes something like this–– .8X plus $Y in variable comp (a.k.a. bonus) and we've paid out variable comp for the last eight quarters, so it's better than what you're making now. .8X or even for 1X I'll just stay where I am, thanks.
HR droid: Okay you're making X now. We can offer
Me: No, I make X now and I get variable comp too on top of that. Salary is salary, variable comp is variable comp. Eight out of eight quarters is nice. Do you want to put a guarantee in writing about the next eight, ten, or twenty quarters.
HR droid: Er, no.
Me: I thought not. Also I'm trying advance, so for
All employers will be advertising the lower value ...
Any company that does that will get fewer and lower quality applicants.
This, I don't understand why a company does not publish salary as part of a job posting. You get to see this giant list of requirements of "What the company WANTS!" What they are willing to offer, eh, they make in extremely quiet like an employee would not be interested in that sort of thing.
Any company that does that will get fewer and lower quality applicants.
High quality applications are primarily internal referrals. Linkedin is used to fill out reqs in a department.
Also lots of excellent and hard working technical people are bad at negotiating. It's not unusual to have a few of the best people on staff being paid average or even below average.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Someone who asks for a higher salary may have it adjusted upward.
If a smaller percentage of women ask for a higher salary, then they'll effectively be applying a downward factor to themselves.
Other wise known as systemic patriarchy.
Some days I get the sinking feeling Orwell was an optimist.
Glassdoor offers this same facility. Of the jobs that do provide a salary, most are estimated. When you request the salary range from the job's poster, it seems you never get an update.
If LI is going to roll this out, they should REQUIRE that posters provide a salary range. And, when people interview and are told what the job really pays, those individuals should be permitted to report the real salary. If there is a major discrepancy after multiple updates by interviewees, flag the original job posting as MISLEADING.
I feel that Glassdoor should do the same.
Just my $0.02 worth
Wouldn't this just make employers leave LinkedIn, so that applicants can't know what the expected salary is so they can low-ball ?
If a company post the salary, it is good.
If a company does not post the salary, it is because they do not want people to know it is low.
I just looked at that LI tool and it's pretty sparsely populated. Most of the queries I threw at it had "$0" listed as the going salary. I'm sure it'll get better but for now it's not even as "good" as the salary estimates you get from Glassdoor.
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I don't understand why a company does not publish salary as part of a job posting.
Because the salary offered depends on the candidate. My company is currently attempting to fill several developer positions. For the skill and experience we are seeking, we will likely pay about $150k in base salary. But if a bright but inexperienced youngling applies, we will offer significantly less. On the other hand, if Jeff Dean applies, we would be happy to go ten times higher. If we include the salary in the ad, the youngling shows up for the interview with unrealistic expectation, and Jeff Dean never applies. So we just say "competitive compensation" and leave it at that.
Wait... LinkedIn is for jobs? I always thought it was a game where you have to hit "Accept" for people you know and like, and "Ignore" for the thousands of foreigners you've never met.
The converse of that is people who would qualify for your high-end would end up having to troll though a bunch of low-paying positions where companies think they can get the same guy for 100K and they will probably be 9 listings in that 100K range for your 150K. What is this theoretical future employee going to do?
From my perspective, I hate job hunting for this exact reason. For positions that I would be interested I would apply 10 times, but only 1 that would fit my salary requirements. I might not even meet your needs for the position completely, so those 10 applications are just a waste of time for both of us. To find the 1 position that would get through HR and generate enough interest for a call back from you is 1 in 10. So to get a callback would require 100 applications, just to get a call back for the one position that would just meet my Salary requirements, not even other stuff, like is this a good company to work for.
If this is the process to go through getting another job, this is why people generally go through referrals and take out a bunch of guess work for applying blindly to positions.
The converse of that is people who would qualify for your high-end would end up having to troll though a bunch of low-paying positions
My "high end" is $1M or more. Do you really think I should say that in the hope that Jeff Dean is reading Craigslist ads? That would waste the time of far, far more people, since I would not offer a salary like that to the other 99.9999%.
Of course I could state a range, but that isn't really helpful either, since an applicant would have little idea where in that range they will be.
Some candidates put an "expected salary" on their resume, and that is helpful, especially if it is reasonable and consistent with their experience.
I also try to talk to people on the phone before inviting them for a F2F interview, and I always discuss ballpark salary expectations during the call, so we don't waste each other's time.
Otherwise known as negotiating. And, those that negotiate in the workplace will generally get more stuff accomplished. Those who successfully negotiate for salary are likely to be more effective in the workplace and are worth the extra compensation they received.
Not all negotiations are "hard ball" and salary negotiations for most software development positions are usually not. The employer knows what they can pay, they offer somewhat less (both to save money if you accept the offer and to give them room to negotiate if needed). Of course, you have to be willing to take some risks -- including swallowing your pride or passing on the job if the employer is unwilling to meet you in the middle.
Negotiations happen all the time in the workplace, it's an important skill. Of course if I stay until 3AM for five days straight helping you track down a heisenbug that I'm sure is in your area but I can help you with, I expect something in return for my extra effort. Maybe you will never be in a position to help me, but if you are and don't, expect your professional life to take a hit.
Why is there an "insightful" mod and why isn't it "-1"? If I wanted insight, I wouldn't be reading
So in other words your company doesn't know if it is looking to hire a college intern or a rock star. Where do I apply!!!?
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"Starting salary $50,000 for no experience or qualifications. Salary range is extremely flexible based on qualifications and experience. If you have the experience and/or qualifications, do not hesitate to apply."
Such a vague and broad statement is absolutely useless to anyone.
In my experience most companies have an idea of what a job is worth. How much value it adds to the company. To an extent you can negotiate and maybe offer them something extra that justifies more money, but if they need a front end web developer it doesn't matter how much experience you have they ain't gonna pay embedded developer salary.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Mine definitely doesn't know if they want a NCG (new college grad) or a senior engineer. They interview people for almost any level. Inters go through a intern program for their interviews because they are temporary.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
You're just making shit up. They literally fired all their people in Finland and killed their phone lines because they said the country had too many white males. They then followed up by stating that as the reason, then stopping a public chatbot they created because they thought it was being politically incorrect. Microsoft is as SJW as it gets.