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US Response 'Hasn't Changed The Calculus' Of Russian Interference, NSA Chief Says (npr.org)
An anonymous reader shares an NPR report: The admiral in charge of both the nation's top electronic spying agency and the Pentagon's cybersecurity operations would seem a logical point man for countering Russia's digital intrusions in U.S. election campaigns. But National Security Agency and U.S. Cyber Command chief Adm. Michael Rogers told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday there is only so much he can do. That is because, according to Rogers, President Trump has not ordered him to go after the Russian attacks at their origin. Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, the committee's ranking Democrat, asked Rogers, "Have you been directed to do so, given this strategic threat that faces the United States and the significant consequences you recognize already?" "No, I have not," Rogers replied. But the spy chief pushed back on suggestions that he should seek a presidential signoff. "I am not going to tell the president what he should or should not do," Rogers said when Connecticut Democrat Richard Blumenthal pressed him on whether Trump should approve that authority.
"I'm an operational commander, not a policymaker," he added. "That's the challenge for me as a military commander." Rogers agreed with Blumenthal's estimation that Russian cyber operatives continue to attack the U.S. with impunity and that Washington's response has fallen short. "It hasn't changed the calculus, is my sense," the spy chief told Blumenthal. "It certainly hasn't generated the change in behavior that I think we all know we need."
"I'm an operational commander, not a policymaker," he added. "That's the challenge for me as a military commander." Rogers agreed with Blumenthal's estimation that Russian cyber operatives continue to attack the U.S. with impunity and that Washington's response has fallen short. "It hasn't changed the calculus, is my sense," the spy chief told Blumenthal. "It certainly hasn't generated the change in behavior that I think we all know we need."
Did you watch "good night and good luck" and sit there cheering for the bad guys?
Putin this, russia that. Democrats demanding we start WWIII over a dozen guys shitposting on facebook.
HILLARY WAS A BAD CANDIDATE, WORSE THAN TRUMP. THE END
> I am not going to tell the president what he should or should not do,
Yeah, when I feel that my product could use an improvement, I never bring it up to the product manager.
I'm god, but it's a bit of a drag really...
but not Mexico would be hypocritical. Mexican citizens cast a significant number of votes in the election - illegally - which to me is a bigger deal than doing some advertising.
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Putin has the goods on Trump, and as long as those goods don't end up in wikileaks, Trump will continue to do Putins bidding.
His buddy Putin would never try to sabotage America... trust him! The Donald is so honest about all of this stuff.
to change the calculus. So far the administration (who's in charge of the response) doesn't seem to have done anything. Wait, strike that, They actually haven't done anything. It's almost as if they somehow benefited from it...
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Seriously? Another Russia interference story? I'm not complaining, just impressed with how long the MSM can keep the story going.
Donald Trump did change Russia's calculus of interference in our election.
They have a traitor named acting as a puppet to Russia's agenda in the oval office.
Donald Trump's obvious treason and subservience to Russia encourages Putin to continue attacking us.
This will also get modded down because they don't want anyone to read this links and connect these dots - but fwiw
The research that lead to our public awareness of all of this was first published 6/27/2017. Appears to have been partially funded under DARPA Contract #FA8650-16-C-7622 (looking for attacks to fully recover private RSA keys). Our side and partners were funding research into recovering SSH private keys in a cloud environment. Same DARPA Contract # is listed under acknowledgements on https://meltdownattack.com/.
That DARPA Contract # lead to the research that was first published on 6/27/2017 by the international association of cryptology researchers here:
https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/627.pdf
This research was then used by various security interests to develop the proof of concept code for our side to exploit speculative-execution as a security vulnerability in early December last year.
Where did speculative-execution come from originally if the public story is Intel invented it? It came from the Russian military. They developed it 20 years before they weaponized it on us. Only known specter exploits can be patched...
We can all thank Vladimir Pentkovski for bringing speculative execution to Intel processors... and compromising our national security:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06/07/intel_uses_russia_military_technologies/
But Rogers also made clear that he had not been granted what he called "the day-to-day authority" to disrupt Russian hacking operations at their point of origin.
To be fair, the range of actions to go after attacks "at their origin" in Russia would probably be a high risk no matter who was president, especially if it turns out the source is a Russian government agency. Admiral Rogers put it best near the end of the article:
Even if he were granted authority to act, Rogers questioned during the Senate hearing whether his agencies' capabilities would be the best or only response to those attacks.
"Be mindful of falling in the trap that just because someone comes at us in cyber that we have to default to immediately going back and doing the exact same thing," he warned. "I've always believed we need to step back and think a little bit more broadly about it and just don't default — it's because of that, you know, that I have not done that to date."
Go back to Russia and tell your master Putin that you've failed yet again, we're on to you, and we'll always be on the look-out for you foreign nationals trying to stir shit up in our country. Oh and by the way stop supporting Assad and North Korea, you assholes. Maybe someone should nuke you back into the stone age.
The research that lead to our public awareness of all of this was first published 6/27/2017. Appears to have been partially funded under DARPA Contract #FA8650-16-C-7622 (looking for attacks to fully recover private RSA keys). Our side and partners were funding research into recovering SSH private keys in a cloud environment. Same DARPA Contract # is listed under acknowledgements on https://meltdownattack.com/.
That DARPA Contract # lead to the research that was first published on 6/27/2017 by the international association of cryptology researchers here:
https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/627.pdf
This research was then used by various security interests to develop the proof of concept code for our side to exploit speculative-execution as a security vulnerability in early December last year.
Where did speculative-execution come from originally if the public story is Intel invented it? It came from the Russian military. They developed it 20 years before they weaponized it on us. Only known specter exploits can be patched...
We can all thank Vladimir Pentkovski for bringing speculative execution to Intel processors... and compromising our national security:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06/07/intel_uses_russia_military_technologies/
The hysteria is growing exponentially. This is such bullshit. It is nothing more a pretext to avoid personal introspection. We are headed down the same well worn path of destruction and building on the same old landfill of old false ideals. Can't you people tone it down a little, at least until I'm dead and gone??
That Trump is doing as bad a job as Obama did in countering this threat.
Trump = Obama = Bush = Clinton
Trump doesn't believe Russia had anything to do with the election, despite his own top intelligence advisors, whose job it is to know these things, telling him so. Whether it's absolute incompentence on Trumps' part, or treason, is a matter for Mueller and/or later historians to decide.
Now, the smart move here would be not only to take steps domestically to prevent, or at least mitigate, outside influences, but to launch our own attack on Russias' electoral process, to get Putin out of office. Fight fire with fire; get someone elected in Russia who is more amenable to U.S. policies.
So the senator from Rhode Island outright admits he thinks that the process of electing the US government is a strategic threat. No shit, we change leaders every couple of years. It's designed to be a strategic threat -- if you can't convince the incoming guys that your strategy is the one they should keep using, then your strategy probably sucks and/or is arbitrary.
They need to investigate the 5.7 million illegals voted for Hillary.
I don't see why these nations would need to spy on each onther unless there is an external force driving them against each other for the sole purpose of inciting conflict with the result of irreversible environmental, and societal destruction. Now, who would benefit from a war between Russia and USA?
Gotta get the clicks I suppose. The combined number of comments for all articles in the past 48 hours is less than the number of comments generated by a single tech article back when Slashdot was about tech.
This place has become downright embarrassing.
Did Russia interfere in the election? Almost assuredly yes, however if you look at Mueller's indictments of people and companies it becomes clear they were just a Russian troll farm geared at creating a marketable advertising pipeline to specific profitable groups of people. It was basically done not so much to sow discord, but that sowing discord is profitable and they monitized it. Despicable, probably illegal, but it's doubtful it influenced the election at all. No information about the alleged DNC hack (some of the time stamps on the downloaded files imply a high bandwidth consistent with a USB drive and not a typical internet connection, also the NSA who monitors all of the backbone has nothing to say publically - please correct me if I'm wrong on this) and nothing to show the voter rolls being hacked, nor the phishing attacks on officials nor the attempted actual hacking of the voting machines themselves. This does not smell right, it's as if the arrests are unrelated but are being used to muddy the waters.
I personally hate trump, but I do see he has a few (very few) positives. For example even trump can see that the NSA surveilence on his political campaign is a sham. Don't get me wrong, I think carter page should be looked into, just like manifort. My issue is the NSA uses two hops, including through a corporation, so by getting a FISA warrant on page, one of his remote contacts works at google so the next hop is off to half a billion people per day - you me and the rest of the world are included. Then they go on a witch hunt and start parallel construction. 99.9% of politicans and CEOs are corrupt in some way, the 0.1% that aren't can have evidence simply fabricated. The selective enforcement using this completely unconstitutional process is what is creating a deep state of a few wealthy individuals and corporations that own the whole government. Personally I believe trump couldn't collude with his own right hand to wipe his ass, but has laundered Russian mafia/oligarch money as well as other foreign cirminals, if trump exposes this and we get some fundamental rights and control of our government back it would be a massive and unexpected win.
Russia is important but it is being used as a distraction to keep us from focusing on the real and far more important problems facing the nation. If you aren't familiar with William Binney I suggest watching this video as it is fucking mind blowing to me. If you can't stand Dore (he has been calling democrats out on the more bullshit smears of trump lately) take a few minutes to see what Binney has to say. I'm pretty sure the more tech savvy readers here will see how much sense his statements make.
I guess he needs orders to go to the bathroom. Maybe police should stop investigating as well until Trumpet the emperor gives individual commands to investigate.
Still trying to whip up some mysterious bogeyman to keep the war machine well funded. I'm confused. Do we still hate China? How about North Korea? Cuba? Surely we can't be at low-level war with a dozen or more nations! Are they stealing our oil or pirating our movies? Maybe we are haters.
US cyber warfare is not in NSA's agenda. They watch and sometimes share with other US agencies. The problem is the public is not aware of what information and which agencies use it or why.
The US shouldn't welcome Russians who are named Ivan? Because every Russian is a spy? Nice.
Look, Russia operates on a zero sum shrinking slice of pie model.
So does our current White House.
The problem is that, for most of us, it's far easier to just bake more pies, and accept a certain loss ratio, than to use half our resources defending our pie supply.
We know what we have to do: paper ballots, automatic voter registration, day of vote in person registration, and non-networked optical scan counting with an audit trail.
Everything else is a design for failure.
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This is about interference in political discussion across the board.
The Russians are in control of the narrative on both sides and are in control of the debate too.
Until we fix that, it doesn't matter what happens in the election, we're still fucked.
The only claim of interferene which they have made has been that of disseminating ideas. This is not technical hacking. They charged 13 people in Russia with essentially spreading false propaganda. But that's just speech. If they have evidence of any technical tempering, they certainly can't attribute it to anyone. Or, at least, they haven't charged anyone or made any public claims of charging anyone. So what should be a response to dissemination of flase information? Clamping down of information dissemination? How is this not an attack on free speech?
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Those are actually Ukrainian trolls, mostly paid with NGO money.
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Deep State spooks are too busy trying to spy on everyday Americans to focus on anything else.
.."preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" (presidential oath of office)
So by NOT ordering the NSA to go after the Russians for their very well documented (13 indictments so far) interference, one wonders what, exactly he plans to do. The sanctions Congress approved (over his objections) have, so far, largely not been implemented and, barring some secret action it seems like he is going out of his way to spare Putin.
What exactly does Putin have on him? Does that infamous "dossier" actually contain some facts? Videos? Or is it simply to subjugate the interests of the United States in order to get rich(er) from various well documented real estate deals he has around the globe. Isn't that the very definition of being a traitor, getting rich by betraying your country?
Or is he (and perhaps a lot of his supporters) so stupid to believe that the Russians didn't hack the election and aren't seeking to divide the U.S.? That it's all just a "guy sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds"?
Apparently so. Then again, so are all the other loonies around here who are pushing for WWIII.
What other term would one use to describe a person who wants to commit mass fiery genocide against millions of people?
The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
Nothing has really changed. Why would Russia be deterred from doing this again?
The closest thing to "hacking" involved was when someone asked the DNC and RNC folks for their email password and while the RNC IT staff blocked it as a phishing attempt, the DNC IT staff told Podesta to go ahead and give out his super-secret email p@ssword.