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US Response 'Hasn't Changed The Calculus' Of Russian Interference, NSA Chief Says (npr.org)
An anonymous reader shares an NPR report: The admiral in charge of both the nation's top electronic spying agency and the Pentagon's cybersecurity operations would seem a logical point man for countering Russia's digital intrusions in U.S. election campaigns. But National Security Agency and U.S. Cyber Command chief Adm. Michael Rogers told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday there is only so much he can do. That is because, according to Rogers, President Trump has not ordered him to go after the Russian attacks at their origin. Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, the committee's ranking Democrat, asked Rogers, "Have you been directed to do so, given this strategic threat that faces the United States and the significant consequences you recognize already?" "No, I have not," Rogers replied. But the spy chief pushed back on suggestions that he should seek a presidential signoff. "I am not going to tell the president what he should or should not do," Rogers said when Connecticut Democrat Richard Blumenthal pressed him on whether Trump should approve that authority.
"I'm an operational commander, not a policymaker," he added. "That's the challenge for me as a military commander." Rogers agreed with Blumenthal's estimation that Russian cyber operatives continue to attack the U.S. with impunity and that Washington's response has fallen short. "It hasn't changed the calculus, is my sense," the spy chief told Blumenthal. "It certainly hasn't generated the change in behavior that I think we all know we need."
"I'm an operational commander, not a policymaker," he added. "That's the challenge for me as a military commander." Rogers agreed with Blumenthal's estimation that Russian cyber operatives continue to attack the U.S. with impunity and that Washington's response has fallen short. "It hasn't changed the calculus, is my sense," the spy chief told Blumenthal. "It certainly hasn't generated the change in behavior that I think we all know we need."
Thanks for that, Ivan. It's always good to start out a topic on Russian interference with the mad hyperbole that comes out of a Russian troll farm.
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> I am not going to tell the president what he should or should not do,
Yeah, when I feel that my product could use an improvement, I never bring it up to the product manager.
I'm god, but it's a bit of a drag really...
but not Mexico would be hypocritical. Mexican citizens cast a significant number of votes in the election - illegally - which to me is a bigger deal than doing some advertising.
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Did you watch "good night and good luck" and sit there cheering for the bad guys?
Putin this, russia that. Democrats demanding we start WWIII over a dozen guys shitposting on facebook.
HILLARY WAS A BAD CANDIDATE, WORSE THAN TRUMP. THE END
That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Everybody wasn't voting for Trump as much as they were voting against Hillary. Hillary had many problems with high media coverage for years before she ran, why anyone thought she would make a good candidate is beyond me. Biden or Bernie would have been a much better candidate, but I think Hillary felt it was owed to her after she bowed out to allow Obama to win in 2008.
my karma will be here long after I'm gone
to change the calculus. So far the administration (who's in charge of the response) doesn't seem to have done anything. Wait, strike that, They actually haven't done anything. It's almost as if they somehow benefited from it...
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What, exactly, would he do against people joining Facebook and Twitter, etc?
There is No HACKING. They are simply using the same tools that Americans use.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Shoot all the Russians on this site?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
But Rogers also made clear that he had not been granted what he called "the day-to-day authority" to disrupt Russian hacking operations at their point of origin.
To be fair, the range of actions to go after attacks "at their origin" in Russia would probably be a high risk no matter who was president, especially if it turns out the source is a Russian government agency. Admiral Rogers put it best near the end of the article:
Even if he were granted authority to act, Rogers questioned during the Senate hearing whether his agencies' capabilities would be the best or only response to those attacks.
"Be mindful of falling in the trap that just because someone comes at us in cyber that we have to default to immediately going back and doing the exact same thing," he warned. "I've always believed we need to step back and think a little bit more broadly about it and just don't default — it's because of that, you know, that I have not done that to date."
Don't sabotage the narrative; do you have any idea how much effort went into its construction?!
"Despite no real scandals".
WTF are you smoking? Did you get that approved by CNN before posting or did they just give you that statement for you to ponder?
Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with Trump's refusal to impose the sanctions against Russia that Congress passed and his refusal to even try to prevent Russian interference with our elections.
HILLARY WAS A BAD CANDIDATE, WORSE THAN TRUMP. THE END
Come on.. Let's be fair here... Both where pretty bad...
But I get your point... Hillary did have a lot going for her. Former Senator, Former Secretary of State and Former first lady with experience on her resume the envy of the field. She could talk a good game, had polish and was adept at political speak when cornered. Nobody could touch her it was her election to lose..... EXCEPT....
In walks Donald Trump, exactly zero elections to his name, no government experience on his resume. He's no politician, he has a brash temper, a big mouth and a knack for saying things he shouldn't in anger. He got in twitter fights over stupid stuff and basically played the roll of a lose cannon in a hurricane. This guy couldn't win an election for dog catcher...
So WHAT happened? Just look at history...
Hillary got out flanked by a rank amateur, like happened before. She floundered on that E-mail foolishness by arrogantly assuming she could just sweep it away with a series of white lies, but even worse, she believed her own press releases, she believed the national polling and she acted like she could coast to victory like she had in the primaries over Sanders. Hillary's problem was she didn't think she could lose, so she didn't really try all that hard. (Either that or she really WAS that sick during the campaign and *couldn't* physically keep up the pace.) This was EXACTLY what cost her the primary win 8 years previously, to a new comer again, the junior senator from Illinois, even though she'd been in the Senate longer.
Really, Trump didn't win it, Hillary lost an election she *should* have easily won...
So the question you have to ask yourself here is this. Why? Was it because Hillary didn't campaign well or because the 13 Russians spent a few hundred thousand on Facebook ads?
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
"dripped out the emails to cause maximum damage despite no real scandals"
Innocent emails about weddings and yoga cause damage?
If there was no scandal in the emails how would they have damaged Clinton? You can't have it both ways. Either the emails were damaging because scandal or the emails were innocent and not damaging. Pick one.
I don't see why these nations would need to spy on each onther unless there is an external force driving them against each other for the sole purpose of inciting conflict with the result of irreversible environmental, and societal destruction. Now, who would benefit from a war between Russia and USA?
There were no scandals but there were plenty of made up scandals to go along with them.
Remember how outlets got two different versions of what happened re: Sanders during the primary? There was a concerted effort to rig the primaries and also the primaries couldn't be rigged since they were all run by individual state parties, and the emails somehow showed both.
Remember the pizza place basement slave dungeon (at the pizza place that didn't even have a basement)? Those were from the emails, even though it was a conspiracy theory. People took it and ran, and it damaged the campaign. But there was less than zero evidence.
So your desire to make everything a straw-man two choice argument is either intentionally misleading, or because of a problem with logical thinking. Pick one.
Or not, because there's probably another 1000 explanations.
I'm just curious... What could Putin possibly have on Trump that is worse than what we already KNOW about him? And remember, Trump will have to actually care that the "goods" remain secret for Putin to have any leverage...
I mean that "Access Hollywood" tape business was pretty bad, but even that isn't enough. You are going to need some really nasty stuff to keep this nightmare of yours alive..
The REALLY nasty stuff is hard to hide for very long and we've had a special council looking at this for the last year.... I'm thinking it's looking like a pipe dream...
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Gotta get the clicks I suppose. The combined number of comments for all articles in the past 48 hours is less than the number of comments generated by a single tech article back when Slashdot was about tech.
This place has become downright embarrassing.
Installing a secret email server in your bathroom to evade public info retention laws is a simple IT mistake? On which planet?
That Trump is doing as bad a job as Obama did in countering this threat.
Trump = Obama = Bush = Clinton
So you'd have him do what? Start a shooting war over this? Send Putin a strongly worded memo? Perhaps a UN security council action?
I don't think there is much we CAN do but monitor the activity and deal with any of it that runs counter to our law and happens where we have jurisdiction. Well that and make sure the electronic systems we used are hardened so they cannot easily mess with them from Moscow....
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Putin has leverage, but it isn't the blackmail kind.
As you point out, threatening to reveal Trump's secrets is likely pointless as Trump doesn't care. But there is something that trump cares about above all other things. POWER. Putin put him in power, and Putin can take him out of power just as easily.
Wouldn't it make more sense that you're the Russian spy troll sent here to make Democrats look like unhinged imbeciles?
"There were no scandals but there were plenty of made up scandals to go along with them."
Clinton campaign colluding with media to shut Sanders down and promote the pied piper Republicans is not a scandal? Showing the level of corruption that is normal for Clinton by hiring DWS after her disgraceful resignation that happened because of the unethical conduct uncovered from the emails, is not a scandal?
Wow, I guess if you change the definition, sure no "scandal". But for everyone else that was very unethical and scandalous. As far as I am aware pizzagate didn't damage Clinton because it was fake conspiracy with zero evidence. The other crap however haunted her, her campaign, and the DNC because there was evidence and Clinton flaunted it in everyone's face like hiring DWS.
Did the '911 was an inside job' damage Bush? Has there been any evidence that any conspiracy like pizzagate has hurt any politician to such an extent as to lose an election?
Uhh the Russian government hacked Hillary's campaign and the DNC and then dripped out the emails to cause maximum damage (but her emails...) despite no real scandals.
Trump's campaign aide Roger Stone communicated with, colluded with both the Russian government hackers and the Wikileaks Russian government mouthpiece.
The "hack" was some high-ranking clown clicking a URL in a phishing email and leaking his iWhatever credentials.
Her emails did expose real scandals. You can go and fucking read them if you want (you never will). The DNC and Hillary's campaign, along with media chills like CNN, rigged the DNC primary election for Hillary, despite Bernie Sanders being the far better candidate (even though he's a loon, he would have been an electable loon). And yes, Hillary leaked classified info through her private email server, then, "oopsie", wiped the server (like with a cloth) after cherry picking a few things to turn over as evidence. The FBI director even directly said she's guilty as shit and is only not being charge because of who she is.
As for colluding with Russia, we've seen that HRC, the DNC, and much of the Obama administration were doing just that when they paid for a faked dossier created by a British spy working with Russians, which they then used to trick a FISA court into letting the administration spy on Trump and his campaign so they could leak info to the DNC and Hillary to ensure her coronation. And she STILL fucking lost! Trump is an ass and often a buffoon. I sure as shit didn't vote for him, but I'm glad he won because he's caused tons of pathetic losers like yourself to have public meltdowns and yes, Hillary would have been far worse. The DNC and the media LOST and they're still trying to stir up a war with Russia.
Did Biden make up a ridiculous claim that he had to dodge sniper fire? Did he say that women and children have always been the primary victims of war? Was he tied to dozens of suspicious "accidental" deaths and suicides? Did he get a bunch of people killed during an aborted stint in office? Does he run a "charitable foundation" that is really a front for bribes, kickbacks, and other illicit pay-to-play dealings? Did he leak classified information all over hell? Did he conduct official business on a private server, then when under investigation get to choose which emails to hand over, then nuke the hard drives?
HRC is a monster and a true Clinton. She's a Reptilian in a failing skin suit.
Look, Russia operates on a zero sum shrinking slice of pie model.
So does our current White House.
The problem is that, for most of us, it's far easier to just bake more pies, and accept a certain loss ratio, than to use half our resources defending our pie supply.
We know what we have to do: paper ballots, automatic voter registration, day of vote in person registration, and non-networked optical scan counting with an audit trail.
Everything else is a design for failure.
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The only claim of interferene which they have made has been that of disseminating ideas. This is not technical hacking. They charged 13 people in Russia with essentially spreading false propaganda. But that's just speech. If they have evidence of any technical tempering, they certainly can't attribute it to anyone. Or, at least, they haven't charged anyone or made any public claims of charging anyone. So what should be a response to dissemination of flase information? Clamping down of information dissemination? How is this not an attack on free speech?
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just a question without malice. Why is your right to own guns more important than my right to have sarin gas or the artillery to use it in shell form? Mind you I am a gun owner, but this 2nd amendment thing is starting to sound like Jesus rode a dinosaur across the Potomac River to fight the British. Hacking has never been some sort of NSA secret code sort of thing. It's always been about scamming people out of passwords and using simple tricks to get what you want. Saying that "there is No HACKING" is a false flag. Just because I offer to hold someone's purse so they can take off their broken shoes doesn't mean that someone might use the same tactic to steal the purse. HACKING doesn't mean some kind of high tech super laser satellite thing. It's just another scam.
once more into the breach
The actual email read out loud by Trump during the election was an edited version (edited in a Cyrillic version of Microsoft word) with an inserted piece from a known Russian propaganda site. It's not about what the emails said it's what the Russians added to the emails that make it nefarious. I can, and will give links if asked but it seems the flat earthers just can't accept any reporting of reality.
once more into the breach
All of Trumps people have private email servers.. good or bad pick one.
once more into the breach
.."preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" (presidential oath of office)
So by NOT ordering the NSA to go after the Russians for their very well documented (13 indictments so far) interference, one wonders what, exactly he plans to do. The sanctions Congress approved (over his objections) have, so far, largely not been implemented and, barring some secret action it seems like he is going out of his way to spare Putin.
What exactly does Putin have on him? Does that infamous "dossier" actually contain some facts? Videos? Or is it simply to subjugate the interests of the United States in order to get rich(er) from various well documented real estate deals he has around the globe. Isn't that the very definition of being a traitor, getting rich by betraying your country?
Or is he (and perhaps a lot of his supporters) so stupid to believe that the Russians didn't hack the election and aren't seeking to divide the U.S.? That it's all just a "guy sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds"?
No, sir, he did not.
You know who else didn't do any of this stuff? Clinton. But you go right ahead with your believing. It keeps you warm at night.
I see why you posted AC. Hillary literally said she had to dodge sniper fire and "run to our cars". When media showed the footage of her standing on the airport tarmac smiling and shaking hands, she quickly changed her story, saying she was "sleep deprived" when she said in front of dozens of crowds that she dodged sniper fire https://youtu.be/SfaxA9Q-9AQ
Lord only knows how many other things she said while "sleep deprived" that media haven't caught her on yet.
my karma will be here long after I'm gone
Listen to him talk some time, all he ever talks about is how much power he has. And that didn't start when he got in to politics.
As for a businessman not having the power. I don't know where you've been, but business men often pull the strings of politicians.