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2M Americans Lost Power After 'Bomb Cyclone' (apnews.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the Associated Press: Tens of thousands of utility workers in the Northeast raced to restore power to more than 1.5 million homes and businesses just days after a powerful nor'easter caused flooding and wind damage from Virginia to Maine... Flood waters had receded in most areas, but Friday's storm had taken huge chunks out of the coastline in Massachusetts and other states... Residents in other areas, meanwhile, bailed out basements and surveyed the damage while waiting for power to be restored, a process that power companies warned could take days in some areas.

Power outages on the East Coast dipped by about 500,000 from a peak of 2 million earlier Saturday, but officials said lingering wind gusts were slowing repair efforts. The storm's aftermath also was still affecting travel, with airports from Washington, D.C. to Boston reporting dozens of delays and cancellations, while service was slowly returning to normal on rail systems throughout the region... The death toll from the storm increased by four, with authorities saying at least nine people had lost their lives.

Airlines canceled more than 2,800 flights, according to the Associated Press, while Amtrak suspended service along the northeast corridor (though it's saying they should all return to service on Sunday).

CNN reported roughly 1 in 4 Americans were in the storm's path, facing winds as high as 50 mph, while the Associated Press reports gusts up to 90 mph on Cape Cod.

129 comments

  1. well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    start digging down your powerlines like the rest of us. I live in a area with insane ammounts of snow and cold and i think the last poweroutage was... actually i cant remember one that was ever over 30min.. and im 40+y old.
    maybe in my childhood once actually. was half a day or so.

    1. Re:well.. by Calydor · · Score: 1

      But surely THIS is the last time a storm will blow down the powerlines and leave millions in the dark!

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    2. Re:well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A common comment from people talking out their ass. Outside of new subdivisions the cost of buried lines for transmission and distribution would put power costs through the roof. Plus, repairing the lines becomes a huge expensive job when you have to locate the fault then dig up the line.

    3. Re:well.. by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Pretty much all the power has been restored. No big deal.

      Except for anyone who had solar panels blown off their roof, they have a far more expensive problem.

    4. Re:well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there are hundreds of thousands of homes still without power, as of sunday march 4 8:42AM. we won't get power back for another 36 hours.

    5. Re:well.. by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      Don't those people also have power lines to their houses?

      As for the solar panels ... that's what homeowner's insurance is for. We're thinking of getting panels put up. The saleperson reminded us that we need to let State Farm know so that they can adjust (increase) our homeowner's policy.

      And, yes, we will still have power lines to the house, even though I hope to be independent of the power company for 7 months of the year. (I hope to get on-site battery backup for nights and cloudy days.)

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    6. Re:well.. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      A "huge expensive job" that you hardly ever need to do beats constantly repairing overhead power lines and trimming trees by a, well, hugely expensive amount.

    7. Re:well.. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      I've seen the power company restore the same lines at least five times over the years. When does it become more economical to accept the upfront investment of burying cables, like all the more advanced countries have been doing for a couple of generations?

      And go to three-phase for all homes, for that matter...

    8. Re:well.. by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      Maybe in your little town sure, but according to PECO's own outage map southeast PA still has 123,715 people without power as of 9:38 on Sunday. They have a real-time outage map that anyone can look at, it shows just how widespread the problem is with 3,209 individual outages; each of those outages is marked on the map, the amount of damage is really impressive.

    9. Re:well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As of 9:30 EST the reports I see have about 40K still without power. Out of an original 2M I'd say that qualifies as "Pretty much all".

    10. Re:well.. by tomhath · · Score: 1

      As for the solar panels ... that's what homeowner's insurance is for.

      Don't confuse "insured" or "subsidized" with lower cost. The cost is the same, the only difference is who pays the bill.

    11. Re:well.. by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      Burying lines on new development is relatively easy compared to burying existing infrastructure. You have to deal with crossing under roads, driveways, and sidewalks. You have to avoid existing buried telephone, internet, cable, water, sewer, and gas lines. You have to deal with homeowners that don't want their yard and shrubs dug up. Dealing with all this is a headache, time consuming, and expensive as hell compared to just repairing an existing overhead line every couple years.

    12. Re:well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And go to three-phase for all homes, for that matter...

      What would be the benefit to that?

    13. Re:well.. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Maybe those tunnel boring machines can be useful after all

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    14. Re:well.. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      You have to avoid existing buried telephone, internet, cable, water, sewer, and gas lines.

      That's an opportunity to use those. Smart companies make chutes that can fit extras, and then burying becomes even easier than stretching overhead cables. And even where there are old buried cables, they can often be replaced with newer cables that can carry both the old and new infrastructure. This is how many homes got their fiber hookup[*] - the old copper was pulled out, trailing new cables that had both copper and fiber.

      [*]: At least in parts of the world where true fiber connections are offered, and not "fiber" which is copper the last mile.

    15. Re:well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you must be a city dweller. the entirety of multiple counties are offline.

      http://nyseg.com/Outages/outageinformation.html

    16. Re:well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's an opportunity to use those.

      Is it? It was my understanding that power lines should not be in such close proximity to data lines.

    17. Re:well.. by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Lived in Germany for decades and lost power only once because some dude with an excavator ripped the lines out of the ground by accident. Now in the US with the infrastructure from Edison's times I can't buy battery backups fast enough. Given how much utilities charge for service they ought to spend some of the money on improving the network. I bet they wait for government handouts instead.

    18. Re: well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats why you have maps of cables so you dont cut existing ones...
      and well not reall been any problem here in Finland. they even have special plows and boaring equipment.

    19. Re: well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well i would not say its out of my ass... cos i have pretty cheep electricity and i would say 90% is in the ground by now and its still same price as before.
      Us is a 3rd world country with many things... You are just so brainwashed and patriotic that you cant look around you without screaming communists or what ever they fed you that it was..

    20. Re: well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insurance is to repair/replace in event of damage. Not the purchase.

    21. Re:well.. by erik.opnemer · · Score: 1

      You have to deal with crossing under roads, driveways, and sidewalks.

      In my neck of the woods, I see these all the time.

      You have to avoid existing buried telephone, internet, cable, water, sewer, and gas lines.

      All neatly displayed on maps.

    22. Re:well.. by Teun · · Score: 1

      True for copper in the air.
      Ones you go underground the problem is less.
      For a power - fiber combination there is no problem and who in his right mind would in this day and age still dig in copper data cables?

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    23. Re:well.. by Teun · · Score: 1

      Efficiency.
      Of course there might still be outlying homes and farms with a single cable, a good ground is the return.
      Single or dual phase is a bit like the old community phone lines, a great idea 80 years ago.

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    24. Re:well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't like it here, go back to germany and pay that 75% tax on every euro you make.

    25. Re:well.. by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Good thing that these are good white people living in these areas. If they were brown people like Puerto Rico, they would be without power for months.

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    26. Re:well.. by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      You could insulate the power lines with fiber and everything would be fine. It's the copper plant that would be a very bad idea. Now it's not a good idea to put the fiber that close as it makes maintenance an issue.

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    27. Re:well.. by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Not when underground is a cost the power company incurs vs trying to get FEMA and the like to pay for massive overtime etc. They do not bury as they make big piles of cash from the feds to fix most of the big outages.

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    28. Re: well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah Iâ(TM)m sure thatâ(TM)s why those other countries still have power poles in all of their old development neighbourhoods. Oh wait, what? You say they donâ(TM)t? I wonder how they did it then.

      For reference even though itâ(TM)s not the same entirely but as I lived in one of those countries I havenâ(TM)t really seen power lines in neighbourhoods I canâ(TM)t tell you how they did it from a first person perspective. What I did whiteness myself is a gas pipeline being laid. They did it by only digging up a small portion of land every few Kilometers and pushing the pipe through in some pretty fancy process. They did that right next to an existing highway and right through under a bridge I used to go over to go over that highway. There were farmers fields as well as neighbourhood gardens in its path as well.

      Probably not cheap but a lot better than not having a pipeline at all as in that country everything is pretty much built on or used as thereâ(TM)s not as much space as in the US (or Canada for that matter, which is where I live nowadays).

    29. Re: well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You never run communication cables and power cables together.

    30. Re: well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They run 3 phase to the housing developments and put one third of the houses on each phase. Almost no houses have a need for 3 phase power. Nobody has two phase power. Houses have center tapped two leg single phase power.

    31. Re: well.. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      You never run communication cables and power cables together.

      You most certainly do. Ground cables are shielded. They cost 2-4 times as much per length as a result, but you get less interference on a data cable buried next to a power cable than from an overhead cable that receives all kinds of EM interference.

    32. Re: well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It costs 10 times as much to put power lines underground. That money has to come from somewhere.

    33. Re:well.. by nwf · · Score: 1

      Ever got a quote for burring cable? We have on several occasions, and prices are around $25 to $50 per FOOT. That's completely impractical for anything except new construction where they can do whatever and plan ahead. Same reason why most houses don't have natural gas in Southeastern PA, even though there's plenty of it. That costs $100/foot to run pipe. It would be cheaper to burn dollar bills.

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    34. Re:well.. by nwf · · Score: 1

      You have to avoid existing buried telephone, internet, cable, water, sewer, and gas lines.

      All neatly displayed on maps.

      In theory, but not really true in the US. They send out utility locating companies all the time because the exact location is generally never specified. It's all within a few dozen feet or worse. Even then you have to hand dig much of it. Heck, Comcast drilled through our sewer line at work running a cable. They won't pay, naturally.

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    35. Re: well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, I thought that combining 2 phases was how you converted 120 volt to 240 volt for things like ovens and clothes dryers?

  2. Cancelled flights? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    This just shows the differences in levels of preparedness for certain weather conditions of different airports. It takes some serious weather to bring down air infrastructure in North America.

    In Europe on the other hand, temperature is below 0deg, there's this very subtle white powder falling from the sky, CLOSE EVERYTHING!
    Facetiousness aside as climate change is expected to bring about more extreme weather conditions it's time the European airports looked across the ocean for tips on how to cope with a little bit of snow. Buying more than a handful of de-icing machines would be a start.

    At least I was only delayed for 3h Friday and not cancelled.

    1. Re:Cancelled flights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Nor'easter that hit was really no different than hurricane Harvey or Sandy; an event we know happens several times a decade. Combine the fact the world is becoming a more populated with inflation and the news media can be secure in the fact they will be able to print "MOST DAMAGING-EST STORM EVAR!" Articles every 3-4 years. Decadal events like this one are hardly historic.

      I like "Nor'Easter Bomb Cyclone" instead of "hurricane" or simply "severe winter storm" though; kinda like calling a Cat "Mammilian Quadraped Raptor Feline" or some such. This is why we have so many conspiracy nuts online; mass media sensational-ization is a gateway drug to infotainment and like any heroine junkie, they ultimately overdose on tabloid news (constructed to be as sensational as possible) which they eventually come to believe, after reading enough of it, as plausible.

    2. Re:Cancelled flights? by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      That depends a lot on where you are in Europe. Airports in Northern Europe generally cope a lot better with snow and freezing temperatures than airports to the South and West. The difference between the US East Coast and Southern and Western Europe is not surprising as the Gulf stream means that snow and freezing temperatures in Lisbon is rare compared to Washington DC, even though they are at the same latitude.

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    3. Re:Cancelled flights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Nor'easter that hit was really no different than hurricane Harvey or Sandy; an event we know happens several times a decade. Combine the fact the world is becoming a more populated with inflation and the news media can be secure in the fact they will be able to print "MOST DAMAGING-EST STORM EVAR!" Articles every 3-4 years. Decadal events like this one are hardly historic.

      I like "Nor'Easter Bomb Cyclone" instead of "hurricane" or simply "severe winter storm" though; kinda like calling a Cat "Mammilian Quadraped Raptor Feline" or some such. This is why we have so many conspiracy nuts online; mass media sensational-ization is a gateway drug to infotainment and like any heroine junkie, they ultimately overdose on tabloid news (constructed to be as sensational as possible) which they eventually come to believe, after reading enough of it, as plausible.

      This is wisdom right here. I personally live in Michigan and never pay attention to the news anymore.
      I didn't know about any of this. That's how calamitous it was. Not a soul I work with mentioned it once.

    4. Re:Cancelled flights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was at one of the UK airports (Edinburgh) when the snow blizzards came in. It wasn't anything that a Canadian airport like Toronto couldn't handle. But the airport only had two de-icing machines for all the aircraft. Around eight aircraft were in the queue at any time.

      These de-icing machines aren't any different from a firefighter truck that sprays foam, but they spray anti-freeze over the wings instead. Aircraft had to queue up to get de-iced before they can take off. At the same time, the airport need snowploughs to keep the runway clear. More than 6mm of snow and the aircraft can't land or take off. So in a blizzard it's a constant race to keep the runway clear long enough for a de-iced aircraft to take off. Most of the airports close after 10pm due to their proximity to residential housing. So a flight could take off late at one airport and end up detoured to a major international airport like Birmingham or Heathrow since they are that bit closer and are still open.

      The airports can't justify the cost of having a half-dozen deicing machines if they are going to sit idle for a once in a decade snowstorm. The only other alternative would be to repurpose other vehicles like firefighting trucks to spray anti-freeze rather than foam.
      Maybe they could have heated runways in the same way that Norwegian cities have heated pavements that make the snow and ice melt. A small 12V current is run through wires inside the paving stones. These trap enough heat to keep the temperature over 1C which is enough to make the ice and snow melt.

    5. Re:Cancelled flights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Europe on the other hand, temperature is below 0deg, there's this very subtle white powder falling from the sky, CLOSE EVERYTHING!

      You're full of excrement. I live close to one of Europe's largest airports and we've had below-zero temperatures for over a week and quite a bit of snow here, but the only flights that have been cancelled were those to and from the UK and Ireland, were they had unusually heavy snowfall.

    6. Re: Cancelled flights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And while that snowfall in the UK wasn't heavy by mainland Europeans standards, it's far heavier than we get 9 years out of 10. It's cheaper to just shut the country down for 2 days per decade than maintain equipment to keep the country running.

    7. Re: Cancelled flights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure the dead are relieved that it's all such a blown out of proportion nothing.

    8. Re: Cancelled flights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nine people, one guy who got fried on a power line and the others apparently had trees or branches fall on them.

      Not exactly a devastating death toll, and all of which could have been easily prevented by exercising a tiny bit of caution.

    9. Re:Cancelled flights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A small 12V current...

      Please, just go away!

    10. Re:Cancelled flights? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That depends a lot on where you are in Europe.

      It doesn't really because the airports most affected by this include the 4 biggest European hubs: Heathrow, Schiphol, Charles de Gaulle and Frankfurt. Only Istanbul is alone in the top 5 that hasn't imposed runway restrictions due to weather multiple times in the past few years, each time with quite a bit of ensuing chaos throughout all of Europe.

    11. Re: Cancelled flights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So la-de-da all of them have no one but themselves to blame. Thanks for diminishing them I amost empathized with them and their families.

    12. Re: Cancelled flights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Religious nuts like you that do not believe in natural selection sicken me.

    13. Re:Cancelled flights? by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      All 4 of those are in a zone that has average temperatures above 0 year-round. They experience 0-5 snow days a year. The cost of the occasional closure due to a snowstorm will be less than buying and maintaining an army of snowplows, deicers etc. of the calibre used by airports that see 3 solid months of snow each year.

      That's why this area has trouble with snow: it's too rare to bother preparing for.

    14. Re:Cancelled flights? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That's exactly my point. As the weather starts becoming more extreme they need to start learning to cope with the weather.

      I never said that the problems weren't insurmountable or based on faulty assumptions during original airport design, just that the world is changing and in winter it seems like the two busiest hubs in Europe both managed to have a 90% reduction in capacity for several days, several months in a row.

      What may have been occasional closure is unlikely to be going forward, and I would challenge if it isn't already.

    15. Re: Cancelled flights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We used to have this type of snowfall regularly each year back in the 1970's and 1980's. TV Shows would have people snowed in their village happily waving to a TV camera helicopter above.

      But that was when only one parent had to work in order to afford a home. Now. both parents have to work. Teachers and other professionals have to drive to get to their school instead of living locally and walking to work. So once there is snow, the rural country roads are last to be cleared, so the country shuts down.

    16. Re: Cancelled flights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Climate change doesn't happen on timescales of years. It happens over centuries.

  3. Thank FSM /. is back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was having withdrawals from my lack of daily pro-Trump, racist and GNAA posts.

    1. Re: Thank FSM /. is back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well there will be lots of pro Trump stuff still to come. He is working on getting to be president for life now like his buddys Putin and Xi.
      Fortunetly he is already over 70 so it cant be that long of a term...

  4. My thoughts exactly. by xxxLCxxx · · Score: 1

    It seems more and more like a third world country from my perspective.
    Crazy cops that shoot each and every one once the words 'Shots fired!' are heard. People 'living' in plastic tents in the outskirts; people running around without healthcare and then – the fucking cables hanging around everywhere. Once this goes wrong, they simply put up new cables in the same spot, so that people can enjoy the next outage...
    This 'driving against the wall' mentality has degraded large portions of the states into third world countries. There are even states where the schools open only four days a week, because the teachers need second/third jobs to make it. Insane - all this, while spending everything on weapons systems nobody needs!

    1. Re:My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      while spending everything on weapons systems

      Actually the bulk of it goes to replacing knees and hips in elderly constituents, but you keep hate'n on the military sparky. I'm sure that'll help.

    2. Re:My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America is a shithole country. Fortunately, we live in a global world and mobility is easier than ever. Sounds like it's time for you to leave. I hope your new country treats you better and spends less on weapons. Bon voyage!

    3. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very true, significantly more on welfare and health than military contrary to most opinion. Your infrastructure is still 2nd world at best though.

      Sincerely a different AC in a first world country.

    4. Re:My thoughts exactly. by xxxLCxxx · · Score: 1

      They can't even read. :-(

    5. Re:My thoughts exactly. by xxxLCxxx · · Score: 1

      1st thing popping up on Google:

      1) The United States spent 20 percent of the federal budget on defense in 2011. All told, the U.S. government spent about $718 billion on defense and international security assistance in 2011 — more than it spent on Medicare.
      Jan 7, 2013


      Never changes for the better, thus likely gotten worse.

    6. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very true, significantly more on welfare and health than military contrary to most opinion. Your infrastructure is still 2nd world at best though.

      Sincerely a different AC in a first world country.

      You misunderstand the US completely.

      1) The US is enormous, and has a huge population. You probably don't really know anything about the US, but you think you do because you've been to New York once.

      2) Our media blows everything out of proportion, all for ratings. Every minor thing is HUGE NEWS. Like this storm I never heard about.

      3) The individual states are surprisingly different. What is absolutely the way things are in one state is entirely foreign to those of us in another.

      4) Your country sucks, has no military or space program to speak of, and is probably being overrun by Muslims.

    7. Re:My thoughts exactly. by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

      For 2015, it goes like this:

      1. Health and Human Services: 28%
      2. Welfare: 25%
      3. Defense and Homeland Security:16%
      4. Veterans:4%
      5. Transportation:4%
      6. Food and Agriculture:4%

      Given that defense of the country is the one of the few responsibilities of the federal government specified in the U.S. Constitution, it seems like 16% isn't enough. Also, it's interesting that people ignore the states and pretend that the American population isn't taxed or spending on other programs just because it is not in the federal budget.

    8. Re:My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well the power company is a mandated Government Monopoly. Not sure what the weather has to do with cops shooting at everyone. Never heard of a cop just randomly shooting people. The people living in plastic tents are drug addicted bums and the Government is the complete cause of that. Handing out free needles giving them welfare etc..If teachers aren't getting paid enough its the communities responsibility to elect a school board that oversees that change. Its all on the community nobody else.

    9. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You get what you pay for...I'd rather have some extra money in my wallet than feeding the socialist trolls.

    10. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (2018) Population Area Density World Share GDP
                                                                                                              (P/Km) population (billions)
      China 1,415,045,928 9,388,211 151 18.5 % $ 10,356,508
      E.U. 509,697,104 4,239,768 311 6.7 % $ 18,527,116
      U.S.A. 326,766,748 9,147,420 36 4.3 % $ 17,348,075
      Japan 127,185,332 364,555 349 1.7 % $ 4,602,367

      Suck it merkin you pop. aint even bigger than the EU and they cn make infrastructure work.

    11. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your numbers are effectively lies.

    12. Re:My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its all on the community nobody else.

      Same goes for all of government. It's all on the voters and nobody else. But, we need scapegoats, like Russia for instance, to blame for our own bad decisions. Turning your back on propaganda is a trivial process. If you need assistance, I'm you can find somebody to push the "off" button.

    13. Re: My thoughts exactly. by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Like this storm I never heard about.

      Do you live under a rock, Anoymous Coward? This storm was all over the news - CNN, ABC, CBS, CBC, BBC, NYT, WaPo - Everywhere. It was a huge deal.

    14. Re:My thoughts exactly. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      The Federal Government spent $730 billion on healthcare in 2011 (see table 05-3). That is more than defense. The stat you have may be correct, but Medicare is just half the equation; there is also Medicaid and other Federal healthcare spending. You cannot legitimately compare ALL Federal defense spending to only a portion of Federal healthcare spending and say we spend more on defense than health.

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    15. Re: My thoughts exactly. by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

      If not on Fox it never happened.

    16. Re:My thoughts exactly. by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      The trend is clearly towards wasting money on missiles and border walls.

    17. Re: My thoughts exactly. by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      1) Yes, population is large, but it is concentrated in not that many areas. 2) So you clearly do not live in the Northeast 3) All states nail their power lines to bean poles like in the 1800s 4) You are a hater..and probably still think Trump does a kick ass job.

    18. Re: My thoughts exactly. by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Until you get fired...then out of a sudden your opinion changes.

    19. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Not AC,

      I knew about the storm, its like every storm we have every year. It's no bigger a storm this decade than it was last decade.

      New photos of the same old shit wind and waves just now they are in 4K, 60Hrtz or better, on a thousand channels that no longer shut down for the evening.

      I was the same old deal this last week as it was when Indians lived here.

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    20. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's in the top 3 of the worst storms in Boston. The other two storms are: 1978 blizzard and the long-forgotten Jan 4, 2018 storm.

    21. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Is it rated by how much damage it's done to aging and hastily repaired infrastructure or by how much press coverage it's received?

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    22. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      By the height of the storm surge. Serious damage assessment has not yet started.

    23. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Height of the storm surge can be affected by factors not attributable to the storm, like high tide.

      What was the absolute lowest atmospheric measurement in Millibars and how does it compare to other storms?

      I will give that the combination of tide and other factors coincidental to the storms arrival may have made it the most destructive event, but not likely the 3rd worst storm.

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    24. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Nor'easters are not known for their lows on atmospheric pressure. Height of the storm surge is actually quite indicative - winter storms are not moving fast and pretty much every storm experiences the high tide.

      Meanwhile, the fact that TWO largest winter storms happened within 1 year is amazing.

      Oh, and there's a third storm on the way.

    25. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Gotcha,

      Perhaps it's time in the Earth's cycle that the great lakes region returns to giant glaciers.

      Good luck over there.

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    26. Re:My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      looks like someone's never been here and has gotten his info from his 'trusted' european state media.

    27. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is obviously hyperbole. He just said that the media blows it out of proportion and he's right.

    28. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a good worked never been fired. Even if I did the job numbers are so good under Trump picking up another position is not very hard.

    29. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite the opposite. USA's budgeted expenses for military is pretty close to healthcare, but war time costs are not taken out of the budget. It can be difficult to find, but actual military spending info is out there. During the whole "Sep 11th" fiasco, the USA spent about the same on the military in 2 years that the cost to cover all healthcare and education for 10 years.

    30. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you really have a clue about conditions in a third world country.

    31. Re: My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually this is a right wing trope that is super easily disproven by looking at literally any government numbers. The military takes the lion's share of taxpayer money, healthcare is a distant 3rd if I remember correctly. But the military easily receives 5x the funding of any other government expenditure.

    32. Re:My thoughts exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The federal government "loses" that much money per year on black ops programs. If you look it up you'll see it plain as day. They like to report on it during school shootings or major terrorist attacks across the world so that most people don't see it.

  5. Another Casualty of This Weather - 1 SpaceX Rocket by robbak · · Score: 1

    SpaceX are scheduled to launch a rocket on Tuesday, 05:33 UTC. Weather should be fine for the launch by then, but the sea states off shore are another matter.

    They were going to recover the first stage on a floating platform, but the ships that would have taken it out should have left are still in port, with only 43 hours left to go - they'd take 42 hours flat out to even get there.

    The reason for this seems smple - 14 foot seas. Even a 100 meter long platform isn't going to stay still enough in that. So it seems that this rocket will be expended instead.

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  6. Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone is talking about it but if you call a relative that lives in the path of that alleged storm you will find out that there is no storm. Everybody assumes it's happening somewhere else.

    This is just Trumpsters creating fake news to make people talk about something else than his Russian mole son in law. Pathetic.

    1. Re:Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well at least you stopped blaming it on global warming - that is some kind of progress.

    2. Re: Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude I live in Virginia and my family is in PA. 45+ mph winds here, 60+ there.

  7. In English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bomb cyclone? Nor'easter?

    1. Re:In English? by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      Don't know what a bomb cyclone is, but in the 'North East' region of the US a storm that tracks up the coast as this one did is called a Nor'Easter. Generally around here storms that take this track are above average regarding impact, although it is usually just a lot of precipitation and a little wind - this was the opposite with the sustained winds being the predominant factor.

    2. Re:In English? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      And yet...

      Number of people affected by the storm: ~80 million,

      Number of people who lost power as a result of the storm: ~2 million.

      Number of deaths attributed to the storm: 9.

      Compared to Katrina, not all that big a deal. IOW, what's the fuss about? Slow news week?

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    3. Re:In English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A pressure drop of 24 millibars or more in a 24-hour period is "bombogenesis" and produces a "bomb cyclone". Keep in mind that pressure differential is one of the ways you get wind. The bigger the pressure differential, the bigger the wind. It literally sucks.

  8. Now's the time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now's the time to finally put the power lines, along with everything else, underground. Looks better and in the long run it will cost less. Germany does it right.

  9. Fake News Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just getting in before the Conseratards do.

    Twitler and the party formerly known as the Republican Party, that distinguished party that gave us Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and the 1/4 mulatto Eisenhower, would like to remind you that ACC – a.k.a. Climate Change,, or as the Dumbass in Chief likes to call it, Global Warming – is only a theory.

    That was not a Bomb Cyclone at all. Nope. Never. Nor was it a Nor'easter. Everyone knows that a Nor'easter in March dumps tons of snow. Was there any snow? Nope, none whatsoever.

    Twitler's crack squad of climate deniers, led by none other than that crack whore Kellyanne Conway (well, she looks like a crack whore anyway) will be shouting down the "libtards" any minute now, just you wait and see. And if that doesn't works they'll fire up the "Scott Pruitt flying first class because the passengers in coach "were mean to him." distraction engine.

    Yeah, go head, mod me down. See if I care.

  10. Fake news alert by tomhath · · Score: 1
    You need to stop reading fake news sites.

    The United States spent 20 percent of the federal budget on defense.. more than it spent on Medicare.

    Note how they are comparing the entire "federal budget on defense" to a fraction of the budget spend on healthcare (Medicare); conveniently ignoring Medicaid and the huge tax collected in the form of Obamacare premiums.

    1. Re:Fake news alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather note how neither of you have provided a citation for what you are saying. I think it's time to put up (provide a citation) or shut up.

  11. So that's what really happened to Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So that's what you mean by "distributed denial of service". A packet flood, but without the packets.

  12. lost their lives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Losing lives is not like loosing keys. They died, not lost their lives. Write 'died'. Give their loved ones some dignity. They are not lost sheep. They are humans never to be among us again. You don't loose your life. You die.
    Strange that the press needs to shield us by euphonious phrases.

    1. Re:lost their lives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Losing lives is not like loosing keys.

      This is true...

      They are not lost sheep.

      Yes, I'm afraid people who continue to vote for republicans and democrats are lost sheep. They don't see when they are being eaten. If people want good reliable robust infrastructure, they have to vote for it. Very simple. All our difficulties come from within. Once you shed your desires of the flesh, the love of money, all your problems become trivial, which they are indeed, regardless of what you do.

  13. Trump's fault by captbollocks · · Score: 1

    Trump didn't get to the latest school shooting and confront the shooter because it was over before he could get on AF One, but surely he could have faced this storm off.

    1. Re:Trump's fault by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      That sounds like typical liberal criticizing, in fact Trump is imposing a 25% tariff on imported snow and rain: "A weather war is easy to win!"

  14. Crappy reporting by freak0fnature · · Score: 1

    Not one mention about the weight of the snow. We barely had any wind, but the heavy snow was snapping lines and trees all over the place. Typical snow to water ratio is 25:1, this storm was closer to 5:1.

  15. Is America's infrastructure that delicate? by Computershack · · Score: 1

    Winds of 50MPH with gusts of up to 90MPH and you have 2 million power outages? Here in the UK we spend a great amount of winter having those kinds of wind speeds as we get hit with several winter storms with those and everything just carries on as normal with the only real issue being certain bridges and high elevation roads being closed to high sided trucks.

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    1. Re: Is America's infrastructure that delicate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow it's almost like places that regularly get high winds have infrastructure designed to handle high winds, and places that don't get high winds don't.

      A truly astonishing observation of economics that mere mortals can't grasp.

    2. Re: Is America's infrastructure that delicate? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Actually power losses during storms are quite common in the US northeast. That's because our infrastructure is old. More recently electrified places use underground electric distribution, here the last mile is overwhelmingly carried on poles.

      What's more installing and servicing overhead electric distribution is cheap; not just the labor but the materials. So the economic calculation, while not requiring god-like abilities, does involve a net present value calculation.

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    3. Re:Is America's infrastructure that delicate? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You talk about a third world country ...
      They will fix it so that it barely works and next storm with similar size will nock it out again.
      Then they will cry how much stronger their Hurricanes are versus a Taifun or an Orkan ... and that is going on since half a century or longer like that :)

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    4. Re:Is America's infrastructure that delicate? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Try looking at a Google Maps satellite view of the Northeastern US vs. southern Britain, and you'll see the reason why. The power outages are caused by downed branches. The US is heavily wooded in comparison to southern Britain; go a few miles out of a major city and there is extensive tree cover. Britain, in comparison, looks largely denuded, a patchwork of fields. This is the legacy of centuries of wood burning followed by efforts to become food secure in WW2.

      Another difference is in how the UK and the US do suburban streets. The UK houses tend to be set close to the street and have extensive back gardens; US suburban houses tend to have large front yards, often wooded. Also the US planning ideal from the mid 20th century is for a suburban street to be like a tree-lined tunnel. This was spoiled by the introduction of Dutch Elm disease in the 1950s, which denuded millions of acres of US suburb. Starting in the 1960s the dead American Elms were largely replaced by fast-growing Norway Maples. These are now very large trees, but Norway maples are particularly bad when it comes to dropping tree limbs in storms.

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    5. Re:Is America's infrastructure that delicate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It probably also helps that the UK burries their power cables, so even if they had all the trees and they would all fall down due to wind or weight of snow, they still wouldn't have a power outage.

    6. Re: Is America's infrastructure that delicate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Happens in Scotland and England too. The main cross-country power lines to the cities are still on overhead pylons. They can be brought down by falling trees or the wrong kind of snow (the sticky slightly melted multiple crystal kind)

  16. Re:Another Casualty of This Weather - 1 SpaceX Roc by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    The reason for this seems smple - 14 foot seas. Even a 100 meter long platform isn't going to stay still enough in that.

    That's because they're doing it wrong. If they want stability, they have to go semi-submersible.

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  17. 2 milllion or one in four Americans? by Nkwe · · Score: 1

    Title says 2M and CNN says 1 in 4 Americans. Wikipedia says that the census bureau says there are around 327 million folks living here in the US. Something doesn't add up. Assuming that 2M means 2 Million, one in four would mean that there are only 8 million Americans? No CNN, I don't think that is right. 25% of 327 is about 82 - if that number was the actual impact of the storm, "82 million impacted" would be a much more interesting headline.

    1. Re:2 milllion or one in four Americans? by Nkwe · · Score: 1

      Reading the summary again, I realize that the the title is talking about loss of power and the CNN reference is about being in the storm's path. So my math rant kind of jumped the gun. That being said, the mixing those two kinds of stats is not stellar editing. A much better title would have referred to a storm with record breaking impact.

  18. Sissy Storms by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    I'm in Florida and since we do get hurricanes frequently I have to say that ninety mph winds are hardly a breeze to us. The idea that 90 mph winds would cause much loss of power to our homes would invoke hostility from the public. The idea that a home would come apart in 120 mph winds is absurd. Apparently the construction requirements for these northern states is set way too low.

    1. Re:Sissy Storms by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      Just going by random street views on google maps, the trees look pretty short down there. I see many without tops. Those frequent winds you get sort of keeps the problem at bay. Up here winds like these are rare, so the trees keep growing up and up with nothing to stop them. When the winds do come they are tall and break or fall over. It is rare enough that disruptions like this are tolerated.

      As for building codes, things like hurricane ties are now a requirement here. But the problem with this storm is not direct wind power but all the trees falling down onto wires and homes.

    2. Re:Sissy Storms by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      How would homes in Florida stand up to a 7.0 earthquake? What would your heating bill be if the temperature stayed below freezing for 20 days straight?

      Think about it a bit, different regions have different standards.

      A little snow on the ground in Florida and people think the day of reckoning is upon us.

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    3. Re:Sissy Storms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in Florida and since we do get hurricanes frequently I have to say that ninety mph winds are hardly a breeze to us. The idea that 90 mph winds would cause much loss of power to our homes would invoke hostility from the public. The idea that a home would come apart in 120 mph winds is absurd. Apparently the construction requirements for these northern states is set way too low.

      Florida actually has pretty terrible building codes. My parents 1960's era home in upstate NY has FAR better insulation then their 2007 Florida home. You would expect the opposite relationship. In most places - over the past few decades - environmental concerns and the increasing cost of fuel have caused building codes to get far tougher with respect to insulation requirements. Florida lags way behind.

      As a result, in a Florida house people have to run the heat a lot more than you would expect in the winter, and have to keep the air conditioning on a lot more than you would expect for the rest of the year. They spend a lot more on electricity and gas than one would predict from the temperatures alone - and there are environmental consequences to needing to supply that otherwise unneeded power or gas.

      The lack of heat insulation also creates a lack of sound insulation - you also hear your own air conditioner through the walls which basically makes one room unusable when it's on.

      Houses are also a lot closer together in Florida (the holdoff distance is much smaller). This means one hears a lot more noise from the neighbours (including their noisy air conditioning). If your neighbours have noisy dogs you are completely screwed in Florida.

      Basically in Florida the government is more interested in helping developers make money then in ensuring people have decent houses to live in. The costs of requiring reasonable levels of insulation aren't that high compared to the benefits, but doing so would cut a small amount out of the profits of developers and that isn't acceptable to the corrupt governments in Florida. This sort of thing is part of the reason we have increasing concentration of wealth in the 1% - and everybody else gets the shaft.

      Also, upstate NY houses have to handle huge snow and ice loads due to lake effect snow (a couple feet of snow is certainly possible from a single storm) and the prevalence of freezing rain (which sometimes comes before the snow, so you get both on the house at the same time). They are structurally MUCH stronger than Florida houses.

      No house can survive having a huge tree fall on it without significant damage. Not many of those trees exist in Florida - and those that do exist are almost never found near people's homes. Such trees are common in the North East. For the most part, it's really nice to have these trees - they provide a pleasant environment, a place for kids to play with cool shade in the summer, and also shelter for animals. But when the big trees get covered in snow or ice they become vulnerable to high winds.

  19. Faker news alert by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    Note how they are comparing the entire "federal budget on defense" to a fraction of the budget spend on healthcare (Medicare); conveniently ignoring Medicaid and the huge tax collected in the form of Obamacare premiums.

    Note that you need to take the advertised imperial spending amount and double it. Hundreds of billions of money spent on imperialism is counted separately, and dishonestly in other parts of the budget. Like the Department of Energy managing nuclear weapons, interest on past imperial debt, the GI Bill, the VA, etc etc.

  20. Economical by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I've seen the power company restore the same lines at least five times over the years. When does it become more economical

    How are you going to keep so many union line workers employed unless you deploy a lot of infrastructure you know will need regular work?

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  21. bomb cyclone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am trying to figure out exactly what a "bomb cyclone" is. I guess it is supposed to be extra scary or something?

  22. I Suspect a Large Part of This... by Ferretman · · Score: 1

    ....was due to both their personal unpreparedness and a continuingly decaying infrastructure, especially up in the upper Midwest and NE regions of the country.

    They gotta start burying that stuff too; that would help a ton.

    Ferret

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  23. The most amusing thing by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    that comes out of this story are the silly ass names they come up with for these storms.

    You can't just call it a Winter Storm. . . . oh no, that's too boring. Not American enough.
    We have to go and name it a " BOMB CYCLONE ". :|

    I swear, our entire culture absolutely glorifies War, Death, Demise and Doom.

    And folks wonder why some people are goin all crazy anymore.
       

  24. Re:Another Casualty of This Weather - 1 SpaceX Roc by robbak · · Score: 1

    Yes. I half expect them to do that at some stage. But a fitted out barge is a much simpler thing to start out with.

    You know, they are currently working on a new droneship, quixotically named "A Shortfall of Gravitas". It will probably be just another Marmac 300 series barge with thrusters, but we'll have to see. This is SpaceX, who put spider arms on a ship a few months ago; they could do anything.

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  25. Re:Another Casualty of This Weather - 1 SpaceX Roc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear this was supposed to be the heaviest payload to GTO with first stage recovery to date, and successful landing was a bit iffy anyway. Combine that with 14' seas and the calculus comes back as let's not break the drone ship twice in a row, I suppose. Perhaps they use it to just try a hot and fast water landing to test landing with less fuel. And perhaps they need a ship uncomfortably bobbing about nearby to gather the last few moments of telemetry and get some video footage.

    Just a speculative bystander

  26. What about Puerto Rico? by DethLok · · Score: 1

    So, umm, how many Puerto Rican's lost power, how long ago, and how many are still waiting for power to be restored?

    They are also citizens of the USA, you know.

    And yet a quick scan shows no comments obviously comparing continental USA with island USA?

    Interesting.

    So, how is Puerto Rico going, US friends?

    1. Re:What about Puerto Rico? by side.road · · Score: 1

      +1 Well put DethLok.