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Facebook Asks Users: Should We Allow Men To Ask Children For Sexual Images? (theguardian.com)

Alex Hern, writing for The Guardian: Facebook has admitted it was a "mistake" to ask users whether paedophiles requesting sexual pictures from children should be allowed on its website. On Sunday, the social network ran a survey for some users asking how they thought the company should handle grooming behaviour. "There are a wide range of topics and behaviours that appear on Facebook," one question began. "In thinking about an ideal world where you could set Facebook's policies, how would you handle the following: a private message in which an adult man asks a 14-year-old girl for sexual pictures." The options available to respondents ranged from "this content should not be allowed on Facebook, and no one should be able to see it" to "this content should be allowed on Facebook, and I would not mind seeing it." A second question asked who should decide the rules around whether or not the adult man should be allowed to ask for such pictures on Facebook. Options available included "Facebook users decide the rules by voting and tell Facebook" and "Facebook decides the rules on its own."

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  1. No Facebook by XSportSeeker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actual crimes should not be allowed on Facebook.
    Is it that hard to get?

    1. Re:No Facebook by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In this case, it actually is. If someone posts something in a public place saying 'hey, any underage girls / boys want to send me naked pictures?' then it's pretty easy to take down the post. But presumably pedophiles are not doing that, they're sending direct messages. Is it therefore acceptable for Facebook to inspect every direct message (i.e. no end-to-end encryption on WhatsApp anymore) and block anything illegal? Should they just disable end-to-end encryption for under-18s and block illegal content? Can they even legally do that, without running afoul of various minor-protection laws in different jurisdictions? Should they then warn you that you're talking to an under-18 (and would this help pedophiles identify targets)?

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  2. How did this happen? by H3lldr0p · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously. How? How did anyone at any level of the company think this was a good idea for long enough that it made it out into public view?

    Talk about being asleep at the wheel. How many in management are now going to claim ignorance when confronted with this?

    1. Re:How did this happen? by DogDude · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's a terrible company run by terrible people because it can be. The product that they sell is given to them for free by billions of really, really dumb people. Any company that makes money this easily isn't necessarily going to be run by the best and brightest because it's simple not necessary. I would imagine that even the Trump family couldn't fuck up Facebook if anybody were insane enough to let them run it.

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    2. Re:How did this happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Work on your English, comrade.

    3. Re: How did this happen? by Dread_ed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Law enforcement wanted to make sure that the community of "Asian immigrants" was not negatively viewed by the public.

      As a result they knowingly buried the investigations, stopped prosecution and arrests, and let these "Asian immigrants" continue to groom, abuse, drug, kidnap, sexually traffic, gang rape, and kill underage British children.

      This is not what Progressive means, but it is exactly what Progressive thought does. It prioritizes the wrong things for the right reasons. Like when it tries to cure cultural divides by enforced racism. Or when it tries to punish male sexual predators by casting all men as the problem. Or when it tries to enforce diversity through explicit discrimination.

      In this case your brain is overwhelmed by the injustice of innocent children being raped. This sets off alarms that you cannot silence, even through the conveniently provided self-justifying lies of "privilege" and "rape culture." When it is white people, or men, or even better, just white and Asian men, you have been provided with a narrative that anesthetizes your injustice meter. Fortunately there isn't one for raping kids, at least not on this side of the Atlantic.

      Glad to know you still know to draw the line somewhere. Those law enforcement officers in England were steeped in progressive thought with regard to "Asian immigrants" and they really lost their way.

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  3. But it is ok for women. by lucaiaco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The implicature is that if an adult woman asks for an explicit picture of a boy or a girl it is OK.

  4. Re:It's a trap! by dbialac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And it's sexist. There are plenty of female pedophiles.

  5. Re:It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not flamebait! Just look at all the Female Teacher Sleeps With Student articles that are out there.... And it isn't just women sleeping with highschool boys; there have been incidents where women have been sleeping with highschool girls as well.

  6. Shhh by Bruce66423 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Americans don't believe the rest of the world exists - you might give them a nasty surprise

  7. Re:It's a trap! by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not flamebait! Just look at all the Female Teacher Sleeps With Student articles that are out there....

    Geez, WHERE were all these teachers back when "I" was in school?!?!

    I mean, the ones we're seeing on TV are *HOT* too!!!

    Frankly, I dunno how they're getting caught....I mean, what boy in his right mind would be turning in his hot chick teacher that he's banging???

    Man, if that has been me back in JH or HS....I'd been a hero amongst my peers....

    Man...kids don't know how good they have it today....

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  8. Re:It's a trap! by sexconker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes really.

  9. Re:It's a trap! by dcw3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can't seem to find stats on the percentage of female pedophiles. But I'd argue that the number is likely under reported because the boys don't care/complain.

    As for the age, I'd agree that 17 isn't it, but then what age is? I don't think we're discussing statutory rape cases here, but the ages vary from state to state in the US in regards to how old you need to be to legally consent.

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  10. Re:It's a trap! by Dread_ed · · Score: 5, Informative

    Incoming rant:

    Until someone is able to negotiate and establish the boundaries of consent before sexual congress occurs, and is enthusiastic in maintaining those boundaries for all partners, they are mentally and socially unprepared for sex. I think 18 represents an age where a young person is both able to endure the devastating effects of a poorly informed and structured sexual life, and also is able to sign contracts for loans and take financial responsibility for a child if one were to occur. Not that either of these outcomes are optimal, it's just the most convenient age to put the responsibility and consequences strictly on the individual. Before that it is the parent's responsibility. Sadly many children do not achieve sexual escape velocity by that age and repeat the same mistakes, or interrelated aftereffects of their parent's mistakes, until they either learn better (negative reinforcement) or transform themselves.

    You cannot maintain a child's innocence though ignorance. Teach the basics, like consent discussion, as early as possible. Of course this means you need to be speaking to someone with near encyclopedic knowledge of sexual anatomy, practices, and sexual health. These are the precursors to the basics of sex education. If your child does not know all about these things from you, backed up by authoritative and 100% factual knowledge, and they are of the age where this is relevant to their experience of life, you are failing your child as their parent and opening the door for them to experience abuse.

    In short, if you are not having frank, open, structured, and cogent discussions about human sexuality with your children you are failing them. You will be the reason they get an STD, get raped, or cause a pregnancy. You will be the reason they are confused, shamed, and conflicted. You will be the reason they cannot express themselves sexually, why they are passive and submissive rather than self assured (being passive and submissive AND self assured is a very different thing), and you will open them up to manipulation and subversion.

    Be advised, due to many social influences your child will receive a full sex education by the age of 7-9 years old, whether you want them to or not. If you do not provide the proper information, someone else will provide improper information. First in last out rules apply, so be prepared to spend an inordinate amount of time correcting assumptions based on incorrect information that gets there first. Delay is your enemy. Your conflicted thoughts are also dangerous. Your squeamishness and inability to act and deal with the reality of your child's sexual health can have lifelong consequences that are not only physical but emotional and psychological as well.

    For your child's sake, and for the sake of the rest of us who have to live in a world with your child, do your goddamned job as a parent. Thanks! /rant

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