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Google Is Helping the Pentagon Build AI for Drones (gizmodo.com)

Google has partnered with the United States Department of Defense to help the agency develop artificial intelligence for analyzing drone footage, a move that set off a firestorm among employees of the technology giant when they learned of Google's involvement, Gizmodo reported on Tuesday. From the report: Google's pilot project with the Defense Department's Project Maven, an effort to identify objects in drone footage, has not been previously reported, but it was discussed widely within the company last week when information about the project was shared on an internal mailing list, according to sources who asked not to be named because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the project. Some Google employees were outraged that the company would offer resources to the military for surveillance technology involved in drone operations, sources said, while others argued that the project raised important ethical questions about the development and use of machine learning.

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  1. "Don't be evil" by cahuenga · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .... is the motto of Google's corporate code of conduct, first introduced around 2000. ...

    1. Re:"Don't be evil" by gnick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is helping the DoD evil? Is everyone supporting the DoD evil?

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    2. Re:"Don't be evil" by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      One could easily argue that improved analysis of drone footage contributes to lessening evil on both sides.

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    3. Re:"Don't be evil" by e70838 · · Score: 2

      It was the motto. This example shows why they have changed their motto.

    4. Re:"Don't be evil" by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why is helping the DoD evil? Is everyone supporting the DoD evil?

      It all depends. If you're a Democrat and the president is a Republican, then yes. Likewise if you're a Republican and the president is a Democrat, then also yes. But it's alright so long as the president has the same political affiliation as you. So basically, the Googlers complaining about this probably wouldn't have any problem is Hillary was president right now.

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    5. Re:"Don't be evil" by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      OK, while I have reservations about the Feds sending up drones and using AI to scan footage for the US public, I'm not so much having a problem with military functions IF, it is legislated that these can NOT be used over US airspace on the general public.

      But to a more broad topic, it seems that the majority of the Google workforce is against helping our military?

      Why would US citizen be against helping our military which in turn keeps us safe?

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    6. Re:"Don't be evil" by ichimunki · · Score: 2

      I'm not so much having a problem with military functions IF, it is legislated that these can NOT be used over US airspace on the general public.

      Because if there's one thing you can absolutely trust, it's that the federal government and the military always follow the law.

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  2. Statement from Eric Schmidt by tttonyyy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    “There’s a general concern in the tech community of somehow the military-industrial complex using their stuff to kill people incorrectly”

    If there's ever a sentence where one word changes the entire context of a statement, it's that one - and the last word.

    That word is redundant from the perspective of the tech community, but extraordinarily menacing when tacked on to the statement like that.

    Don't be evil. Incorrectly.

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    1. Re:Statement from Eric Schmidt by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Informative

      The notion that not all killing is incorrect is not a new one.

      E.g. the sixth commandment is often incorrectly translated to 'thou shalt not kill' but is more accurately rendered as 'thou shalt not murder', as a Rabbi complains here :

      https://winteryknight.com/2010...

      For me, one of the most irksome cases has always been the rendering of the sixth commandment as "Thou shalt not kill." In this form, the quote has been conscripted into the service of diverse causes, including those of pacifism, animal rights, the opposition to capital punishment, and the anti-abortion movement.

      Indeed, "kill" in English is an all-encompassing verb that covers the taking of life in all forms and for all classes of victims. That kind of generalization is expressed in Hebrew through the verb "harag." However, the verb that appears in the Torah's prohibition is a completely different one, " ratsah" which, it would seem, should be rendered "murder." This root refers only to criminal acts of killing.

      It is, of course, not just a question of etymology. Those ideologies that adduce the commandment in support of their gentle-hearted causes are compelled to feign ignorance of all those other places in the Bible that condone or command warfare, the slaughter of sacrificial animals, and an assortment of methods for inflicting capital punishment.

      Meaning there cases where killing is not murder - capital punishment,, justified wars, and killing an intruder in your home.

      Those ancient hebrews were pretty damn based!

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  3. That goes against all of world history by raymorris · · Score: 2

    The fact is, early warfare involved enslaving the men and raping the women. It was focused on the people one was attacking.

    Later came wide-area bombing of industrial areas and strategic targets such as bridges, trying to destroy the enemy's ability to wage war against you.

    Indiscriminate bombing ala WWII is now illegal under international law. Developed nations recently begun to wage war by sending laser-guided bombs to destroy a particular part of a building which is militarily important, perhaps targeting an single room. The US often notifies civilians ahead of time to stay clear of the area.

    The new way to wage war, currently being developed as the first "cold" wars are fought this way, is to send packets to your enemy's servers and try to make their computers stop working right.

    The trend line is very much AWAY from "guns/bombs into a combat area, and the killing anyone resisting". Indeed over the last 50 years military doctrine in the west has been that a long-term win requires changing the "hearts and minds" of the populace in the opposing country, "winning them over". Killing is minimized. The thinking over the last 50 years is that the more of your enemy your kill, the more they'll be seeking and getting revenge later. So better to take out their military capability, then immediately start building schools, hospitals, and other infrastructure to make them your friends.

    The history of the US vs Germany and Japan indicates it may in fact be possible, and even more effective, to win by ending the war as quickly as possible by destroying their ability to fight *even at the cost of civilian lives in the short term*. Then make friends with them the best you can. Massive force which causes the enemy to quickly stop trying to fight may in the end up costing fewer lives than trying to carefully and slowly pick off military targets without hurting civilians, resulting in a decade-long war. Precision strikes are, and have been, the trend, though.