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Android Beats iOS In Smartphone Loyalty, Study Finds

Android users don't appear to be switching to the iPhone like they used to. According to a new study from Consumer Intelligence Research Partners (CIRP), Android users have higher loyalty than iOS users do. "The research firm found that Android brand loyalty has been remaining steadily high since early 2016, and remains at the highest levels ever seen," reports TechCrunch. From the report: Today, Android has a 91 percent loyalty rate, compared with 86 percent for iOS, measured as the percentage of U.S. customers who stayed with their operating system when they upgraded their phone in 2017. From January 2016 through December 2017, Android loyalty ranged from 89 to 91 percent (ending at 91 percent), while iOS loyalty was several percentage points lower, ranging from 85 to 88 percent. Explains Mike Levin, partner and co-founder of CIRP, users have pretty much settled on their brand of choice at this point. "With only two mobile operating systems at this point, it appears users now pick one, learn it, invest in apps and storage, and stick with it. Now, Apple and Google need to figure out how to sell products and services to these loyal customer bases," he said. It's worth noting that Android hasn't always led in user loyalty as it does now. CIRP has been tracking these metrics for years, and things used to be the other way around.

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  1. It is a great product these days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Android is pretty rock solid for me these days and has a ton of great apps. My wife also recently jumped to android just because she was bored of her iphone and seems to have learned it quick and doesn't seem to want to go back.

  2. Google services and Android price performance by Qbertino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Google stuff is poor mans Apple. As in "just like Apple, but dirt cheap". Many Geeks I know here in Germany have moved to Chrome OS and everything in the cloud. Google doesn't sell hardware, they lure you into their AI and sell that data. This is a business model MS and Apple will have a hard time beating in the long term.

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    1. Re:Google services and Android price performance by reanjr · · Score: 1

      My $800 Android phone disagrees with your assessment.

    2. Re:Google services and Android price performance by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Every Android phone I have bought had a comparable iPhone at the same price. I buy Android phones because once I do, I don't have to use anything Google if I want. When I buy Apple, I know I'm going to have to use iTunes for something eventually. Then I'll be using Apple software and seeing Apple advertising, and that makes me feel locked in.

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    3. Re:Google services and Android price performance by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 1

      ...Geeks I know here in Germany have moved to Chrome OS and everything in the cloud....

      By "geeks" I assume you mean people who bite heads off chickens in a carnival sideshow. I don't know any geeks (as in, people using computers for fun) who don't have at least _some_ data and hardware that they purposefully and protectively keep local. (See my sig.)

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    4. Re:Google services and Android price performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those people are not geeks.

      The people you describe are the kind that fall for the latest shiny thing and value convenience over security of their data.

    5. Re:Google services and Android price performance by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 2, Informative

      Every Android phone I have bought had a comparable iPhone at the same price. I buy Android phones because once I do, I don't have to use anything Google if I want. When I buy Apple, I know I'm going to have to use iTunes for something eventually. Then I'll be using Apple software and seeing Apple advertising, and that makes me feel locked in.

      What Apple advertising?

      Apple doesn't do in-product Advertising in their own products. There are NO pro-Apple ads IN iTunes.

      What a moron.

    6. Re:Google services and Android price performance by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I know no "geek" who ever would use a ChromeBook, either.

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    7. Re:Google services and Android price performance by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 2

      I know no "geek" who ever would use a ChromeBook, either.

      Geeks view chromebooks as a great way to buy cheap hardware to sideload linux to.

    8. Re:Google services and Android price performance by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Everything infrastructure in Apple is all Apple.

      They don't need to advertise that fact.

      Keep calling everybody a moron. It makes people like you.

    9. Re: Google services and Android price performance by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I donâ(TM)t need to do secure stuff with my phone... thatâ(TM)s what laptops are for.

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    10. Re:Google services and Android price performance by deathguppie · · Score: 1

      Just a question.. if "Google stuff" is a poor mans Apple, then why is IOS copying all of it's "features" from android.. or can you name more than a couple that haven't been copied in the last few years.. oh, that's right you can't plug in headphones anymore.. super cool "feature"..

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    11. Re:Google services and Android price performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "There are NO pro-Apple ads IN iTunes"

      There are NO pro apple devices. Period.

    12. Re: Google services and Android price performance by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Next time get the $1000 model with the notch. I hear it lets you type Applepostrophes® without them coming out all fubar.

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    13. Re: Google services and Android price performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sarah?

    14. Re:Google services and Android price performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google doesn't sell hardware, they lure you into their AI and sell that data.

      That is not Google's business model. They do not sell data.

    15. Re:Google services and Android price performance by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Seems like if I wanted to have Android without anything to do with Google (or Amazon), I'll have to find another distro and install it. Then I have to find a way to get the apps I want. Meanwhile, I'll have the same concerns about malware that was on Windows in... 2000?

      Besides, hasn't Google forced hooks into Android that relies on Google services.

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    16. Re:Google services and Android price performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Besides, hasn't Google forced hooks into Android that relies on Google services."

      That is answered with a simple: no.
      Get a device that can run AOSP and simply don't install any Google Services. A good starting point is https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ But be sure to do some research before buying anything listed.

    17. Re:Google services and Android price performance by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The Google stuff is poor mans Apple. As in "just like Apple, but dirt cheap".

      Yeah tell me about it. Why spend $1000 on an iPhone X when you could spend $900 on a Galaxy S9+

      DIRT CHEAP!

    18. Re: Google services and Android price performance by Teckla · · Score: 1

      Settings > General > Keyboard > Smart Puncuation

      (On any iPhone or iPad)

    19. Re:Google services and Android price performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What percentage of the Android phone market do you think you represent? The fact is everyone can afford inexpensive Android phones and sometimes people can afford expensive Apple phones.

    20. Re:Google services and Android price performance by jon3k · · Score: 2

      When I buy Apple, I know I'm going to have to use iTunes for something eventually.

      For what it's worth I've been using iPhones for years and I've never installed iTunes. I don't even own a computer that would run it. I updated it over the air and back my photos up using Google Photos.

    21. Re:Google services and Android price performance by jon3k · · Score: 1

      I guess you've never heard of crouton? I've got an Acer Chromebook 14 (aluminum, 14", 1080p IPS display, great keyboard/trackpad) for $250 that's running Ubuntu (xenial). Battery life is great and performance is fantastic for the light duty I use it for.

    22. Re:Google services and Android price performance by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      There is not such thing as inexpensive Apple phones, simply because the entire point of Apple brand requires the product to be more costly than competition. If you could get a cheap iphone, it would destroy the brand value. The social value that the brand carries is partially dependent on the "I'm rich enough to overpay for this expensive product", like all luxury brands.

      Unless you're talking used, or several year old models. In which case, Apple will push you to upgrade very quickly with various underhanded tricks, as we have seen with the battery fiasco.

    23. Re:Google services and Android price performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Everything infrastructure in Apple is all Apple."

      Not true, moron. Apple has now admitted that it's using Google's Cloud storage for iCloud storage.

      Ref: https://www.mobileappdaily.com/2018/02/27/apple-confirms-takes-help-from-google-managing-icloud-data

    24. Re:Google services and Android price performance by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Actually I have not, but thanks for the link.
      If I could run Java on it or Android apps, that would be great.
      I will investigate :D

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    25. Re:Google services and Android price performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, lots of geeks realise Chromebooks make a good low cost low maintenance long battery life web browsing device as an adjunct to their Linux PCs etc.
      And that they can be re-purposed as low end Linux laptops either immediately or when Google stops support.

    26. Re:Google services and Android price performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All recentish Chromebooks either can or soon will run Android apps (not to say they will run them *well* though).

    27. Re:Google services and Android price performance by jon3k · · Score: 1

      If I could run Java on it or Android apps, that would be great.

      Yes to Android apps. Also, switching between Ubuntu (crouton) and ChromeOS takes less than a second on my chromebook with a simple keyboard shortcut (ctrl+shift+alt+back arrow on top row). I really love that laptop it's been wonderful and the quality of the hardware for the price is kind of mind-blowing.

    28. Re:Google services and Android price performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Face ID, Touch ID, Secure Enclave, lack of mining your data/usage and selling it to advertisers.

    29. Re:Google services and Android price performance by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      All that means is that you don't sue your phone like I do.

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    30. Re:Google services and Android price performance by jon3k · · Score: 1

      That's possible, or maybe you just don't need iTunes. I backup all my photos by just plugging my phone in via USB and copying the files off, I install apps and updates over the air. I've also done backups via iCloud (free). I don't pretend to know your requirements which is exactly what I prefaced it with "For what it's worth".

    31. Re:Google services and Android price performance by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      "There are NO pro-Apple ads IN iTunes"

      There are NO pro apple devices. Period.

      I see what you did there, COWARD.

      And, BTW, I highly doubt that people need an 18-core Xeon-based 5k-Display desktop for surfing the intarwebs.

      Apple-Hating Slashtards: They're all the same, COWARDLY Anonymous Posters.

      KILL AC POSTING, SLASHDOT!!! It's JUST not worth it!

    32. Re: Google services and Android price performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me personally, very little. But in my office of 30 people, there are at least 3 Android phones that were over $700 and another 2 that were over $500. No one has a cheap Android phone. Now I'm in CA where iPhone use is dominant, which is why there are so few Android users. Back home in MI, only a handful of people I know have an iPhone. Most have $600 Android phones at the higher end. And of course everyone else has a cheap Android.

  3. Problem by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This study is problematic in that it is comparing two very unlike things. Android is simply an operating system that is designed to work on a variety of different smart phone hardware designs whereas the iPhone has one singular user interface on one type of hardware. Android folks aren't necessarily wed to one smart phone maker or another. When it's time for me to replace my Android, I simply look for the best bang for my dollar. Consequently, I don't often replace my phone with the same manufacturer. A better comparison would be brand loyalty. Look at the people who might be loyal to a flagship Android brand like Samsung or LG and compare that to Apple.

    1. Re:Problem by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      This study is problematic in that it is comparing two very unlike things. Android is simply an operating system that is designed to work on a variety of different smart phone hardware designs whereas the iPhone has one singular user interface on one type of hardware. Android folks aren't necessarily wed to one smart phone maker or another. When it's time for me to replace my Android, I simply look for the best bang for my dollar. Consequently, I don't often replace my phone with the same manufacturer. A better comparison would be brand loyalty. Look at the people who might be loyal to a flagship Android brand like Samsung or LG and compare that to Apple.

      Exactly!

    2. Re:Problem by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      iOS has a lot more lock in. Try to switch away and you need to re-buy all your apps, your HomePod is a brick, you need to re-upload all your cloud data, your dongles and peripherals are bricked...

      Switching Android phones doesn't have so much lock in.

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    3. Re: Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple fanboys really are a dense bunch. Apple has the worst lock-in of any system around. Buy an iPhone and attempt to pair it with almost any Bluetooth speaker through NFC and you'll find you can't because Apple have locked that functionality. Attempt to install an alternative browser on an iPhone and you'll find it performs appallingly because Apple have locked the hardware acceleration. But an Apple charger and guess what.... It won't charge any other phone, same for docks, headphones with remotes and even Apple's smart watch. All other phones on the other hand have a common micro-usb or usb-c port, a common headphone remote connection, common NFC capabilities and even other smart watch manufacturers support a wide array of devices.

    4. Re: Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly!

    5. Re:Problem by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Hoe can a switch from iOS to Android be more "complicated" than a switch from Android to iOS?

      Probably because just about everything will integrate with Android, whereas Apple always has had and keeps adding more restrictions on what kind of devices AND software they'll allow to integrate with iOS. If it's not made by Apple, it almost certainly works with 100% of its features on Android, but the reverse is not true. This is why, for example, that even though Microsoft is good buddies with Apple (and mortal enemies with Google) they went with Android when their own platform met its inevitable end.

    6. Re:Problem by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 0

      Sorry, no idea what you are talking about.
      The difficulty to move your files from an Android device to an iOS device is exactly the same as opposite direction.

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  4. Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My anecdotal evidence?

    Since the Android landscape is so broken and fragmented, and since even Google is dropping support for the Nexus devices, you are left with a few choices:

    1) Buy into a proprietary version of Android and stick with that (because it will have its own store, wallet, and other branded crap)
    2) Say fuck it and go back to Apple

    Honestly, I'm pretty much at 2) on this as I've now had a couple of Nexus devices be abandoned, and I have no interest in an OEM flavor of Android. I don't want yet another digital assistant, analytics, and all of that other shit. In fact, the presence of this is actively preventing me from signing up, because it's no different then all of the shitware on laptops but there by whatever clowns made it.

    Despite claims to the contrary, Android isn't doing much to ensure I don't have a fragmented and proprietary experience.

    And quite frankly, if I'm going to have a proprietary experience, I'm going back to the one which I've enjoyed the best ... and that's Apple.

    As long as there's 50 different flavors of Android, with each company injecting their own shit and then abandoning the device for updates as soon as you've bought it, I see no point in sticking with Android.

    I have no interest in a yet another flavor of Android which exists to monetize my life. I'm not signing up for that.

    1. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I've had Android for a long time, and I've never felt monetized like I do with Apple. Say you want to transfer your mp3 library to your phone and use it with different media apps. With Apple I've found that you can find file transfer apps, but then they only work with certain other apps. The only other alternative is to use iTunes; and of course you see a lot of Apple advertising if you do that.

      With Android I just plug the phone into a laptop or use one of many file manager apps with a (standard) transfer protocol and point any media app I want to the files.

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    2. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say you want to transfer your mp3 library to your phone and use it with different media apps.

      I've been transferring mp3s to iPods and iPhones for some number of years. Never felt the need to use another player than iTunes .. in fact, I like the built in iTunes to play music and watch videos, because iTunes on my desktop lets me build playlists which make use of the metadata iTunes keeps -- like last played and the number of times I've played a song -- that nothing else I've seen does. I tend to play my music LRU, so that's important to me. The built in iTunes also works seamlessly with the cable I have to stream HDMI to the TV, which is awesome when I travel. I don't have to fuck with it.

      The only other alternative is to use iTunes; and of course you see a lot of Apple advertising if you do that.

      Hmmm ... I live in a country where Apple doesn't do ads .. I've never seen an ad in my phone or my iPod unless it's in a non-Apple app (which will cause me to uninstall said app immediately).

      With Android I just plug the phone into a laptop or use one of many file manager apps with a (standard) transfer protocol and point any media app I want to the files.

      Wow, so you've managed to find a new player and found a file manager, that's a major accomplishment. What did it get you again besides the smug satisfaction of achieving technology from the 90s? I have no interest in mucking about with that. In fact, I actively want to avoid that.

      But how much analytics from the company who made the phone is happening behind the scenes? I refuse to believe Samsung and the other vendors aren't putting tons of that crap in their versions -- they're all trying to get a piece of that action.

      With Android I just plug the phone into a laptop or use one of many file manager apps with a (standard) transfer protocol and point any media app I want to the files.

      I have a huge music collection, and no interest in manually managing files.

      At the end of the day, run whatever pleases you ... me, the lack of a coherent interface to manage what is on my phone is one of the things I dislike about Android. I have no interest in manually managing files, mucking about with finding a media player, or having to find apps that aren't spying on me to fill in the gaps.

      Unless you have the OEM stuff (which I do not want on my phone because I do not trust it), Android feels like Linux in the 90s ... you have to build it yourself, and jump through hoops to do things manually, which may be satisfying for a while, but becomes old very quickly. Thanks, but I was running Linux in the 90s, and I have no need to do that all over again.

      And every time I look at an OEM Android, it looks like buying a laptop which has every company's wizards, helpers, and other useless crap on it. To me this is garbage ... I neither want it, nor trust it, and since I can't get rid of it, I might as well get a phone which does solve my needs.

      What Apple does is solve the problem of a functioning environment that you don't need to build in a kit and cobble together with a bunch of things which mostly work. And for my phone, that's what I want. I have no interest whatsoever in manually managing this shit. My time is far too scarce to fuck around trying to manually manage files on my phone.

    3. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      strange. when I replaced my phone and tablet about a month ago I just had to remove the microSD card from the old one and insert it into the new to transfer my music files over. And even if it didn't have the microSD card capability I would be able to drag and drop files over from the desktop. I don't know if that's possible with an Iphone

    4. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      I've had Android for a long time, and I've never felt monetized like I do with Apple. Say you want to transfer your mp3 library to your phone and use it with different media apps. With Apple I've found that you can find file transfer apps, but then they only work with certain other apps. The only other alternative is to use iTunes; and of course you see a lot of Apple advertising if you do that.

      With Android I just plug the phone into a laptop or use one of many file manager apps with a (standard) transfer protocol and point any media app I want to the files.

      But you're also the guy that claims that you HAVE to develop for iOS; so you have a pretty "victimized" view of things, in general.

    5. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iOS may not be perfect, but I always hear of my friends using Android getting some malware or another, or searching for the latest AV utility to clean their phones. With not a single malware issue in the wild, other than jailbroken devices, iOS's sterling reputation is good enough for me to pay Apple's price premium. Security is valuable, and Apple doesn't sell your info.

      The proof is in the pudding: Virtually a 100% secure OS versus one that has to have multiple AV utilities and is always compromised. I'll keep with Apple, as they at least keep the muggers out of their walled garden.

    6. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      There is no "Apple Advertizing" in iTunes.

      With Android I just plug the phone into a laptop or use one of many file manager apps with a (standard) transfer protocol and point any media app I want to the files.
      Depends on the device.
      My Lenovo Yoga Book does not mount as an USB drive. I have the exact same vendor lock in on it as with my iPad.
      There is actually no way at all to transfer my music from my Mac to my Joga Book. Except via eMail, probably, or I could set up a web server on my Mac and access it from the Yoga Book.

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    7. Re: Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I donâ(TM)t transfer any songs when I get a new phone, I just play whatever song I feel like when I feel like it, with Apple Music. Who can be bothered âoeowningâ and managing music files anymore? Itâ(TM)s not the 90â(TM)s.

    8. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I have used Android for years, never had any malware, and never needed to run AV utilities.

      You can't keep the muggers out of Apple's walled garden, because it's Apple who is mugging you.

      Yeah, you like it that way.

    9. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      There's no contradiction. You make more money developing for iOS because iOS users tend to pay for apps and the locked down nature of the platform means people need to buy apps. You'll spend less money on Android because it's not as locked down and there are lots of good, free applications.

      It's not just money too - developing on iOS is an absolute breeze but Android is a nightmare.

      I.e. as a developer iOS is better. As a user Android is.

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    10. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by bankman · · Score: 1

      A file manager to access network shares like Total Commander doesn't work for you? I have a similar problem with USB, for different reasons (it's not vendor lock in, it just doesn't work on LineageOS with my device), and got around it using Total Commander with TotalCmd-LAN.

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    11. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot an option you can buy:
      3) buy a stock rom based phone

    12. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4) Buy one with project trebble. https://www.androidauthority.com/project-treble-818225/
      at least google is trying.

    13. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I.e. as a developer iOS is better. As a user Android is.

      Because all the programmers who care about the quality of their apps because that's what sells them are on iOS. Yeah, you are totally making sense.

    14. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have used Android for years, never had any malware, and never needed to run AV utilities.

      Well apart from the obvious problem that you are too dumb to notice - Google had to remove more than 700,000 apps from Play because they were malware just last year alone. And that's the "safe" Android repository.

    15. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      ince the Android landscape is so broken and fragmented

      It's interesting how iFans like to speak negatively about this, when it's really Android's biggest strength. Apple caters to hipsters, people with deep pockets, and especially the douchebags that prominently display all of the latest apple devices in their bedroom or office and buy any decoration they can find to complement the appearances of their idevices.

      because it will have its own store, wallet, and other branded crap

      Seriously? This is your reasoning? Or, you know, you can just ignore all of that. Really, you can. What a novel concept. But I already know that you're talking about Samsung (nobody else does this,) and there's way more to Android than Samsung's shit. On the one Samsung phone I've ever owned, I never touched their store, their browser, or their wallet, and removed all of them. The only reason to buy Samsung or Apple is if you really like flashy colors and looks, and you need to carry a status symbol in order to feel secure. And yes, I'm saying this as somebody who (reluctantly) carries around an iphone, even though it spends almost all of its life either on dresser or in my pocket (next to my pixel, which keeps the iphone from bending, though it hasn't been able to prevent the iphone's screen from lifting because of a manufacturing defect, unfortunately.)

      Android isn't doing much to ensure I don't have a fragmented and proprietary experience.

      Because it doesn't need to. The idea is and always has been to buy a phone you like.

      As long as there's 50 different flavors of Android

      ...it will continue to succeed. This is exactly why you're seeing Android become so popular, and why its loyalty is growing. If they only made two different form factors and two different colors, there would be far less market interest. And in spite of the differences between these devices, they still maintain compatibility.

      then abandoning the device for updates as soon as you've bought it

      You're thinking of the Chinese brands. But even then, Google is actively working on this so that the cost involved keeps shrinking.

    16. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's one of Google's jobs as the maintainer of the Google Play Store.

      Apple does the same with their App Store.

    17. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You mean having a "TotalCommander" on the Android device and mounting a SMB share from the PC?

      Would not help much as I have a file transfer utility on my Mac, but it only works with mouse drag&drop. I actually wanted to use grails or bash scripts on the Mac to access the device (yes, developer mode on the device is activated, it works fine with Android Studio)

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    18. Re:Uh huh ... your anecdote, my anecdote ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's one of Google's jobs as the maintainer of the Google Play Store.

      Apple does the same with their App Store.

      Which you keep complaining about if they do it.

      Oh, and in case you didn't understand: Google removed them after many people had downloaded each of those apps. That's how you get Android malware.

  5. Moto X FTW by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    I converted my whole family to the Moto X family. V4 seems to have been "good enough" - my kids finally stopped whining about the iphones I was never going to buy them - and I'm happy with my v5.

    1. Re:Moto X FTW by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I converted my whole family to the Moto X family. V4 seems to have been "good enough" - my kids finally stopped whining about the iphones I was never going to buy them - and I'm happy with my v5.

      So, you're bragging that your family would rather have an Android phone than NOTHING, right?

      Got it.

    2. Re:Moto X FTW by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have nothing than an iPhone. But I'm not bragging about it.

    3. Re:Moto X FTW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anything but apple. Yuk

    4. Re: Moto X FTW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s because you are a douche bag.

    5. Re:Moto X FTW by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      anything but apple. Yuk

      Anyone but ACs.

      Retch.

  6. Did ever happen ? by nashv · · Score: 0

    Android users don't appear to be switching to the iPhone like they used to.

    No Android user I know EVER switched to iOS. Why would you ?

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    1. Re:Did ever happen ? by Moof123 · · Score: 1

      I've hear it both ways.

      With Apple's ~40% market share you would need a 1.5:1 dis-loyalty ratio for market share to be stable between the two platforms, which is about what it is (14% vs 9%).

      Meh.

    2. Re:Did ever happen ? by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"With Apple's ~40% market share"

      Huh? Try that again, please. Most sources estimate Android phones have an 86-88% global market share. Whatever is left is every other platform AND Apple (not that there are many other platforms nowadays on smart phones).

      Of course, there are a zillion ways to measure market share, but based on my observations (which is not in any way scientific) it does seem like about at least 8 out of 10 people I see have an Android phone.

    3. Re:Did ever happen ? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      Android users don't appear to be switching to the iPhone like they used to.

      No Android user I know EVER switched to iOS. Why would you ?

      No iOS user I know EVER switched to Android.

      Why would you?

    4. Re:Did ever happen ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me be the first anecdote you hear then. I used to use a Motorola Droid RAZR HD and switched to an iPhone 7. I am wealthy enough to buy any phone I want and, after using the Android phone, decided to move to iPhone.

      There was nothing particularly wrong with the Android phone and Android as an operating system. However, I couldn't stand all the shovelware that was put on the phone and could not be uninstalled. Yes, part of the reasoning behind that is because I purchased the phone through the carrier and got a discount but I would not have had to endure the shovelware had I bought an iPhone in the first place. Being that it was the first smart phone I had ever purchased, I had no idea that a subsidized phone would come with shovelware that could not be installed.

      When it was time to replace the Droid RAZR, I did look for Android phones that were unlocked. However, there were so many choices that it was quite a headache. Even worse, I didn't like any of the choices available as they all had something that I intensely disliked: the hardware, skinning, or general distrust of the hardware manufacturer. While I have pretty deep training in computer hardware and software, I just don't have the time or inclination to spend a tremendous amount of time researching all the hardware and potential open source software solutions to get a phone that will function the way I want.

      In the end, I bought the iPhone because I was certain that there would be no shovelware and that I would, guaranteed, receive a few years of iOS updates. And for software I really hate such as iTunes, it is easy for me to not use it. I would only have to use iTunes on my host computer if I wanted to back up the iPhone, which I don't do. I can use third party music players and third party music services if I want.

      Meanwhile, Google's Pixel phones have a surprising number of irritating issues with them and I don't see them having phones truly comparable to Apple's phones--from a hardware quality perspective--for at least two years. I tend to use my computers and phones for at least five years so when my iPhone gets to a point where I no longer find it tolerable, I'll re-evaluate things then.

      I suspect that I will purchase another iPhone because of my discomfort with Google's policies and their close relations with the CIA.

    5. Re:Did ever happen ? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      With Apple's ~40% market share

      Globally, it's 14%.

    6. Re:Did ever happen ? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The iPhone has changed Apple's business dramatically. iPhone sales have risen strongly over the years, from around 1.4 million iPhones sold in 2007 to more than 216 million units worldwide in 2017. In total, Apple has sold more than one billion iPhones worldwide from 2007 to 2017.

      see: https://www.statista.com/stati...

      On a planet with 8 billion inhabitants that hardly translates to 14%.

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    7. Re:Did ever happen ? by nashv · · Score: 1

      https://medium.com/swlh/how-i-...

      There, now you know one. Leaving the walled garden is hard but some do manage.

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    8. Re: Did ever happen ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know quite a few. A big reason was poor performance in a few respects such as camera, battery and also the lack of ability to upgrade the amount of storage space. Android is now well beyond iOS for usability in my opinion, material design makes such a big difference. Google's voice control is arguably years ahead of Siri and even Apple admit this to be the case. Apples devices used to be the only option for the non tech savvy, media consumer types but now Android is more than capable of a plug and go style of usage. iPhones are still well built but there no real difference to high end devices from other manufacturers and it's just down to design preference, not everyone buys devices based on the current fashion so Apple's aggressive brand advertising in TV shows is becoming less effective.

    9. Re:Did ever happen ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what a fucking idiot

    10. Re:Did ever happen ? by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      Except that it does translate to 14%.

    11. Re:Did ever happen ? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Depends how many people have a smartphone, or not?

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    12. Re:Did ever happen ? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      iPhone sales have risen strongly over the years, from around 1.4 million iPhones sold in 2007 to more than 216 million units worldwide in 2017.

      Whereas Android rose to 1,290 million phones sold in 2017. And that's what I was talking about, market share, total sales from last year only.

      In total, Apple has sold more than one billion iPhones worldwide from 2007 to 2017.

      Tomi's numbers give Apple's installed base as 612 million units, or 19%, whereas Android's base is 2,696 million units, or 81%. All other systems put together sold so little that they get rounded down to 0%. I assume that's an estimate of everything still in use, not obsolete devices long abandoned in some drawer.

    13. Re:Did ever happen ? by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      No, it doesn't. If three phones are sold, only one of which is blue, blue phones, the market share of blue phones is 33%. If I sell three billion, of which 1 billion are blue, it's still 33%.

    14. Re:Did ever happen ? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      We are not talking about percent math.

      We talked about: the planet has 8billion people.
      1,7billion iOS phones gor sold.

      Probably only 50% of those 8B have a smart phone, so that makes 4B smart phones and 1.7billion are Apples.

      So: a market share of 12% makes no sense. No one is throwing iPhones so quick away that the market share would be so super low.

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    15. Re:Did ever happen ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the ones I know did it because they realized that Android was no worse (or perhaps no more shitty) than iOS, but a perfectly useable Android phone is a fraction of the price of the iPhone. A decent portion that are still are on iOS are only there because they bought into Apple's walled garden and while they would like to switch over they feel they are locked in.

    16. Re:Did ever happen ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No iOS user I know EVER switched to Android.

      Why would you?

      Errr.. choice? LG, Samsung, Huwaei, etc. etc., many different features, price points etc. - but they'll all run your Android apps.

      Oh, sorry, replying to Apple fanboi.

      "Choice is bad mkay?"

    17. Re:Did ever happen ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android users don't appear to be switching to the iPhone like they used to.

      No Android user I know EVER switched to iOS. Why would you ?

      You sound just like a cult member whose friend left the cult and now "never existed" or "is dead". And you call the Apple a cult - because they are not in your cult..

    18. Re:Did ever happen ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android users don't appear to be switching to the iPhone like they used to.

      No Android user I know EVER switched to iOS. Why would you ?

      No iOS user I know EVER switched to Android.

      Why would you?

      https://play.google.com/store/...

      Installs 10,000,000 - 50,000,000

      I bet the number of people who installed that to actually switch is higher than the 51,373 who downloaded it for the sole reason of giving it a 1 Star review

    19. Re:Did ever happen ? by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      That's a snapshot of usage, not a market percentage. It's a useful statistic, though.

    20. Re:Did ever happen ? by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      The best estimate of iPhones in use seems to be 700 million (November 2017). 4.77 billion mobile phones are in use. Android phones, that support Google Play, were at 2 billion (May 2017,rising 0.6 billion from the previous year), so Android phones are probably at around 2.8 billion, given a rise in usage overall, and some non-Play phones. So the proportion seems likely to be:

      • 0.7:4.77=15% of all mobile phones
      • 0.7/(2.8+0.7)=20% of smart phones, maybe as much as 25% if Android is static

      ,

      Caveats and error bars will apply

  7. Eh, that's not how I read the statistic. by Ecuador · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean, it seems rather obvious that the Android percentage would be higher, but it does not mean a higher "loyalty", but exactly the opposite.
    Specifically, from what I can find, about 86% of phones sold are Android - apart from lower priced devices, there is also a huge selection, compared to the iOS devices being just 3 models, so it would make sense that more Android devices would be sold even if iOS was a better OS overall (it is in many ways, it is not in several others).
    So, they say that there is a 91% chance for an android user to stick with Android - so a bit higher than the overall Android market share which is expected from a user who has a bias towards the device they are used to.
    However, even though iOS devices have just a 13% market share, an iOS owner has a rather staggering 86% chance of buying another iOS device. That sure is some serious brand loyalty and it is what we've come to expect from Apple users.

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    1. Re:Eh, that's not how I read the statistic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And on top of this, most of the Android users are lower cost phones that have no Apple equivalent. These people are 'loyal' simply because they can't afford the more expensive phones (either Android or Apple).

      If we instead look at the subset of users that are using equivalent high end Android devices vs Apple devices, then the numbers will likely look quite different.

    2. Re: Eh, that's not how I read the statistic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take it another way, more damning for Android and very good for Apple...

      With over 80% market share, having 9% looking the other way, means Android may lose almost 8% of the total market.
      Apple may lose 15% of their ~15%, and may gain 8% of former android users. Ending up with well over 20% total market share.
      But hey, sell your stocks now, loyalty is lower!

      aRTee

    3. Re:Eh, that's not how I read the statistic. by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      I mean, it seems rather obvious that the Android percentage would be higher, but it does not mean a higher "loyalty", but exactly the opposite. Specifically, from what I can find, about 86% of phones sold are Android - apart from lower priced devices, there is also a huge selection, compared to the iOS devices being just 3 models, so it would make sense that more Android devices would be sold even if iOS was a better OS overall (it is in many ways, it is not in several others). So, they say that there is a 91% chance for an android user to stick with Android - so a bit higher than the overall Android market share which is expected from a user who has a bias towards the device they are used to. However, even though iOS devices have just a 13% market share, an iOS owner has a rather staggering 86% chance of buying another iOS device. That sure is some serious brand loyalty and it is what we've come to expect from Apple users.

      TFA says something similar at the end:

      All that being said, the rate of switching is different from the total number of people switching, the firm also pointed out. And looking at the numbers from that perspective changes things.

      “We know Android has a larger base of users than iOS, and because of that larger base, the absolute number of users that switch to iOS from Android is as large or larger than the absolute number of users that switch to Android from iOS,” said Levin.”Looking at absolute number of users in this way tends to support claims that iOS gains more former Android users, than Android does former iOS users.”

      The larger number of Android users means that even though the retention percentage is higher, the iPhone users who switched are replace by Android users switching to iPhones. As a result, Apple sees no let loss of users, or even a slight gain, from the switching behavior; and Android has such a larger user base that the number of switchers has a much smaller impact on the overall retention numbers. It would be interesting to see the numbers in a like for like comparison, at least in terms of percentage retention. We know the number of switchers is roughly equal, all we need is the number of users of equivalent phones.

      This is one of those studies where both sids can declare victory:

      Android: We have higher loyalty!

      Apple: More Android users switch to the iPhone than vice versa...

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  8. Price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most low end Android users can't afford iPhone, so the loyalty is 100%. This can skew the results completely in Android favor.

  9. Make Sense, Android more Selection by foxalopex · · Score: 1

    Actually this makes pretty good sense, if you choose an Android phone, there's a larger selection of hardware and the APPs that you purchase or use end up staying with you. Phone or Tablet selection is great in that you can get something dirt cheap up to fairly expensive and powerful. With IOs you're suddenly stuck with much fewer hardware choices, generally very expensive.

    1. Re:Make Sense, Android more Selection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Jobs showed early in his return to Apple that it's a good thing to shrink the number of choices customers have. Otherwise, they can become overwhelmed and take their business somewhere else or, at best, delay their purchase while they suffer from decision paralysis.

      Of course, the choices a company does offer must be carefully planned to appeal to as many people as possible.

  10. Fake news. by hey! · · Score: 1

    Smartphones are only *truly* loyal to the platform vendor.

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  11. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can hide an Android up your bung hole. Try that with an X. Ouch! F.B.I. can spot someone with an X up there with nary a F.I.S.A. warrant at hand.

    1. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some might smuggle narcotics in the Android up their bung hole...

  12. Tattoos real test of loyalty by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The other day a friend told me of going to a meeting and seeing a guy who had an Apple logo tattooed to his upper arm. We had a good laugh. Now that there is loyalty - perhaps cultish loyalty. So I was going to comment that Apple users are obviously more loyal using this anecdote, but then I did quick image search and sure enough - there are idiots out there with Android logo tattoos. :(
     

    1. Re:Tattoos real test of loyalty by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      The other day a friend told me of going to a meeting and seeing a guy who had an Apple logo tattooed to his upper arm. We had a good laugh. Now that there is loyalty - perhaps cultish loyalty. So I was going to comment that Apple users are obviously more loyal using this anecdote, but then I did quick image search and sure enough - there are idiots out there with Android logo tattoos. :(

      Hey, I'll give you serious cred for at least doing the research BEFORE posting! And then, even MORE cred for being HONEST about the results!!!

      So rare here in Slashtard-land...

    2. Re:Tattoos real test of loyalty by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      What to do when you're still loyal but they change the logo?

    3. Re:Tattoos real test of loyalty by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      We seem to agree. There are stupid people out there with tattoos.

      How honest and brave we are!

    4. Re:Tattoos real test of loyalty by deathguppie · · Score: 1

      Android, os open source. There is actually a large community of people that work hard to create their own works of art within Android, as a part of android not as slaves to Apple. If you wanted you could create and build your own Android phone OS from source code and modify it any way you want. A tattoo is part of your description of yourself.. if you have an apple tattoo you are just describing what you follow not what you create and that is a big difference.

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    5. Re:Tattoos real test of loyalty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other day a friend told me of going to a meeting and seeing a guy who had an Apple logo tattooed to his upper arm. We had a good laugh. Now that there is loyalty - perhaps cultish loyalty. So I was going to comment that Apple users are obviously more loyal using this anecdote, but then I did quick image search and sure enough - there are idiots out there with Android logo tattoos. :(
       

      Dude, there are people with Zune tattoos, and championship tattoos for teams that didn't win.

      There's always someone stupid enough to tattoo anything.

      And I say this as someone with a bunch of (not stupid to me at least) tattoos.

      When dorks get their first tattoos, it's kind of sad. So many bad tattoos.

  13. Not surprised by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

    Apple was brave enough to remove the beloved headphone jack. Now they can show us how brave they are when their customers start leaving them for more reasonable and less brave competition.

  14. Curious how this would change by Solandri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm curious how this would change if app authors gave you a license to both the Android and iOS version of their app when you bought it. I imagine a lot of the loyalty is actually to the person's library of apps, not the OS itself.

    1. Re:Curious how this would change by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      I'm curious how this would change if app authors gave you a license to both the Android and iOS version of their app when you bought it. I imagine a lot of the loyalty is actually to the person's library of apps, not the OS itself.

      THAT is a VERY interesting point.

    2. Re:Curious how this would change by williamyf · · Score: 1

      It would change nothing.

      Take WhatsApp as an example. The App is free (so, you have a licence for both iOS and Android), but you can not move YOUR DATA between Android to iOS.

      So, once you have a sizeable amount of data in one platform, it behoves you to stay there.

      And that is on top of muscle memory and the time you spent familiarizing yourself with the interfaces, etc.

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    3. Re:Curious how this would change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm curious how this would change if app authors gave you a license to both the Android and iOS version of their app when you bought it. I imagine a lot of the loyalty is actually to the person's library of apps, not the OS itself.

      I think it's more to the music/movie stores. App expenditures are a small fraction of music/movie expenditures.

      It should be noted that this issue favors "loyalty" to Apple, since Google provides players for iOS, but Apple does not provide players for Android. So if you have a big Google Play library you can switch to iOS and still use it. Not so the other direction.

    4. Re:Curious how this would change by iampiti · · Score: 1

      That would surely be interesting but I personally don't even consider iPhones since Android has many more hardware choices available (and priced more competitively) and it's also a more open OS.

    5. Re:Curious how this would change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apple.android.music

  15. Reliability of Survey by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, they are basing that headline on FIVE whole percentage points?

    What was the margin of error in the Survey? Most I've seen are +/- at least 2 or 3 points.

    Sorry, completely unconvinced; plus we're talking an aggregate of dozens of Android brands at all imaginable price points, vs. ONE brand of fairly premium-priced phones.

    I'd say that, if you tightened that study up a bit, you'd find quite a bit MORE "brand loyalty" on the Apple side.

    But that wasn't what the "researchers" were LOOKING FOR, was it?

    1. Re:Reliability of Survey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the entire survey is nothing but manipulated results.

      Android is the OS, which is used in how many (mostly garbage) brand/models ? They claim that "brand loyalty" is using anything Android, completely ignoring the fact that people switched brands.

      It would be like claiming Windows people are more loyal because they still use Windows. Never mind the fact that they have never purchased a 2nd computer from the same company.

    2. Re:Reliability of Survey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the beauty in Android, you can choose from an array of different phones with different features and keep Android as the OS. If you're crying it's not fair, then that's Apple's fault for not allowing iOS on other devices.

    3. Re:Reliability of Survey by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Apple can barely support their software on the tiny subset of hardware that they themselves make.

      It's always been that way.

    4. Re:Reliability of Survey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So your pissing and moaning about those 5 whole percentage points because they are not in apple favour. Shill level 100

    5. Re:Reliability of Survey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if apple would license ios to samsung, android would die in the next day.
      licensed macos computers could kill windoze.
      TBH apple could easily take over the computing world but then again they're more of a hw company than an sw. Which is a shame...

    6. Re:Reliability of Survey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I suspect he is moaning that after taking so many methodological liberties they come with such paltry difference.
      Capcha "unguided"

    7. Re:Reliability of Survey by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Licensed macOS computers would imply that Apple had produced an open documented hardware platform. They haven't, and they can't except at huge expense. And they won't because that isn't their chosen market segment.

      Apple thrives on being a fractional player in the PC and the Cellphone market. Their whole market approach is to skim off some of the people who will pay extra.

    8. Re:Reliability of Survey by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      That's the beauty in Android, you can choose from an array of different phones with different features and keep Android as the OS. If you're crying it's not fair, then that's Apple's fault for not allowing iOS on other devices.

      The Android-lovers are REALLY lucky Apple DOESN'T allow iOS on other hardware.

      Android would be GONE in about a month!

    9. Re:Reliability of Survey by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Licensed macOS computers would imply that Apple had produced an open documented hardware platform. They haven't, and they can't except at huge expense. And they won't because that isn't their chosen market segment.

      Apple thrives on being a fractional player in the PC and the Cellphone market. Their whole market approach is to skim off some of the people who will pay extra.

      Hey, stupid!

      What's "Open" or "Documented" about Windows?

      It seems to exist on MANY different hardware platforms.

      You're an idiot. Just go away.

  16. It could just be moving back. by zzyzx · · Score: 1

    If you have three populations: Apple loyalists, Android loyalists, and people who are willing to move from platform to platform, it would make sense that a period where more people moved from Android to iOS might be followed by the reverse. That assumes that most people don't want to deal with swapping out their software and either OS is good enough, but I think there's a case for that.

  17. Cheep car owners more loyal too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't need a study to say with extreme confidence that people that already drive cheep cars are more likely to buy another cheep car rather than a Lamborghini or Ferrari.

    1. Re:Cheep car owners more loyal too! by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Apple products are better characterized as the Buick of the consumer electronics marketplace.

      There are many other car makes that one can choose. Or you can get your Buick. More expensive than some, and hey, it's a brand to rally around.

  18. Comparing Apples and Oranges ? by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    If I use an Apple product I am on iOS. If I choose an android environment I can switch between many different device manufacturers. Doesn't seem like a fair comparison.

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    1. Re:Comparing Apples and Oranges ? by bankman · · Score: 1

      What? It's unfair to compare one software platform with another because one is tied to one hardware platform while the other isn't? If anything, software loyalty should be greater with the system that locks you in to one vendor, especially considering it being touted as the one that "just works" and stuff...

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  19. Their competitor starts at $700. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's easy to have brand loyalty when you're the only one who sells smartphones in the $100 range (excepting Microsoft, but they haven't had the necessary market success).

    From my experience, Android is good enough for most tasks. I used a $100 Chinese Android 5.0 phone in place of an iPhone 4S and noted that it had fewer problems than the iPhone (browser and other apps crashed less often).

    Once Android Go rolls out, even $50 phones should provide a decent experience.

  20. which one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The choice is very anus like you poof

  21. I would consider Apple by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    if they got rid of the whole I-Tunes is mandatory to do ANYTHING on the damn phone requirement.

    Oh, and while you're at it, I want another phone the size of the Iphone 4 again. Those fit in the pockets rather well.
    These damn things get any bigger, they're gonna come with attachments you can use to carry it around on your arm like a shield. :|

    1. Re:I would consider Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iTunes isn't required to do ANYTHING on the phone.
      If you want to transfer/backup between the phone and your computer, the tool to use is iTunes, however.

    2. Re: I would consider Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iTunes is also not needed on an Android. As for backing up your data, the Androids require no app. They simply appear as a USB drive to a computer, just like a flash drive.

  22. Re:Poors are less choosy by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    Mac fans show their people skills once again.

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  23. Basic math by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Except that it does translate to 14%.

    Well, 12.5%, counting everyone (probably shouldn't do that either, so at least somewhat nearer 14%.)

    But only if you assume that no one has ever bought more than one iPhone.

    Do you think that's a valid assumption?

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    1. Re:Basic math by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      The size of the market is the size it is, whether people buy more than one of an item or not.

    2. Re:Basic math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that it does translate to 14%.

      Well, 12.5%, counting everyone (probably shouldn't do that either, so at least somewhat nearer 14%.)

      Sure, if you round down the "more than" 1 billion (which are actually more than 1.3 billion) down to 1 billion.

  24. They are certainly brave by fyngyrz · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I bought an iPad. Apple repeatedly broke it until I became unwilling even bother with it. That taught me I definitely didn't want an iPhone.

    Watching my SO fight with hers merely confirmed my decision. Her next phone will be an Android-based model, because she's watched mine consistently work with very few problems, and no significant problems at all.

    Bottom line, Android works well enough, and yes, just pre-ordered a new one (S9+.) It still has a headphone jack. And a memory card. And no "notch." I appreciate the cowardice it takes not to screw the customer in the name of absurd rationalizations.

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  25. The baby boomers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The baby boomers are almost completely gone, soon Apple will be out of business.

  26. Re:Poors are less choosy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    macs are another things. Macs are the best dev platforms ever, runs xcode and android studio.

  27. Um, no by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    "inhabitants" is not synonymous with "size of the market."

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    1. Re:Um, no by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      Er, so you are agreeing with me?

      Put it another way, if there is one person who wants to buy 10 widgets, or 10 people who want to buy 1 each, the size of the market is 10 widgets.

  28. a 5% difference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the sole reason being PRICE.

    Again >$500 = Apple

    (Less Than) $500 = You know what.