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YouTube Is Full of Easy-To-Find Neo-Nazi Propaganda (vice.com)

An anonymous reader quotes an exclusive report from Motherboard: Through a software-aided investigation, Motherboard has found that while YouTube has managed to clamp down on Islamic extremists uploading propaganda, the video giant is still awash with videos supporting violent and established neo-Nazi organizations, even when, in some cases, users have reported the offending videos. Clips of neo-Nazi propaganda operations, hate-filled speeches, and extremists pushing for direct action have remained on the site for weeks, months, or years at a time. Arguably, many if not all of these videos may fall under YouTube's own policy on hate speech, which "refers to content that promotes violence against or has the primary purpose of inciting hatred against individuals or groups based on certain attributes," including race or ethnic origin, religion, and sexual orientation, according to the policy.

Motherboard built a tool to monitor YouTube and make a record of when the platform removed certain videos, and limited the clips to propaganda for established neo-Nazi and far-right terrorist organizations like Atomwaffen, rather than people in the so-called "alt-right." Most of the videos were discovered through simple YouTube searches of relevant organizations' names, or sometimes through the "recommended videos" sidebar after Motherboard had built up a browsing history of neo-Nazi material. For the sake of comparison, over a week-long period Motherboard also tracked pro-ISIS videos uploaded by the group's supporters and then distributed through a network of Telegram channels. Typically, YouTube removed these Islamic extremism videos in a matter of hours, including those that did not contain images of violence, but were instead speeches or other not directly violent content. But YouTube is playing catch up with neo-Nazi material. YouTube removed only two videos that Motherboard was monitoring: two identical clips of a speech from UK terrorist organization National Action.

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  1. You can find anything on YouTube by Darth+Twon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Spoiler alert: that's the whole point.

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    1. Re:You can find anything on YouTube by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Really? I have yet to find any good porn on YouTube.

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  2. Nazis have lost their meaning by NaCh0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When so many on the left refer to anyone who disagrees with them as a Nazi the term has becoming meaningless. Maybe calling anyone with an R next to their name a nazi is a joke. I really don't know. It certainly won't end well at the polls when regular people vote for a 'correction' like they did in 2016, Brexit, and most recently Italy.

    Newsflash, Trump is nothing like an actual Nazi.

    1. Re: Nazis have lost their meaning by guruevi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you think 50% of the nation is nazi because they voted for Trump, why haven't you started the resistance yet?

      This kind of comment is exactly why the left has lost the common ground. By demonizing everyone you don't agree with, you've lost your cause.

      There are Nazis and their sympathizers, they make up 0.2% of the population. In the world stage they are irrelevant, they have no relevant political presence, party or organization. Muslims and Christians make up the majority of the world population, if they start spouting off their religious nonsense as fact it's actually dangerous.

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    2. Re: Nazis have lost their meaning by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For the record, 50% of the nation did not vote for Trump.

      48% of registered voters didn't participate in the last election; of the 52% who did, 8% voted third party. The other 44% was fairly evenly divided between D and R; so at best, any one candidate actually only received around 23% of the total overall vote, if we bother to include the disenfranchised.

      The big takeaway for me in that case is the knowledge that our President is usually elected by less than a quarter of the overall voting populace.

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    3. Re: Nazis have lost their meaning by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      The 48% who didn't vote saw the writing on the wall: not a single candidate was worth a damn. Not that they're off the hook though. By not voting they help undermine our entire system of government.

    4. Re:Nazis have lost their meaning by JamesNorton · · Score: 2

      Being a "nationalist" doesn't make one a "Nazi". Now if a leader is a "socialist nationalist" that leader might be a "Nazi".

    5. Re:Nazis have lost their meaning by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 2

      An insightful discussion of that question:

      https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/3hi61p/the_fascists_didnt_want_to_overthrow_fdr_because

      And a statement about fascism from the horse's mouth (FDR himself):

      http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=15637

      The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism—ownership of Government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.

      So no, I don't think that FDR was a fan of fascism as you seem to be suggesting. Yes, in 1933 he expressed interest in what Mussolini was doing in Italy.

    6. Re:Nazis have lost their meaning by HeckRuler · · Score: 3

      When so many on the left refer to anyone who disagrees with them as a Nazi the term has becoming meaningless.

      So, basically, you're a neo-nazi/white supremacist/right-wing-militant/neo-fascist/racist sympathizer?

      OH MY GOD! At least TRY to to play directly into his fucking hand. Listen man, you're not helping our side. You're making us look bad. I understand it's important to you, and yes there are real actual honest-to-god nazis out there and they've been emboldened by recent politics. But immediately jumping out and accusing this guy of being all those terrible things is EXACTLY what he's talking about, and it just reinforces his point. Get your shit together Rick.

      Is this staged? Is it rigged? Are Nacho and Rick actually friends and coordinating this level of face-palming?

      If you think the half of the country that didn't vote for, and don't support Trump,

      And get your stats right. 80.5% of America didn't vote for Trump. 80.2% didn't vote for Hilary.

  3. Sounds better to me than alternative by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What you rather happen:

    A) Real actual nazis spend all free time making YouTube videos.

    B) Angry nazis pushed off YouTube go outside and... do things.

    You all seem to be angling for the "lets drive Nazis to take action" camp which sounds exceedingly unwise. YouTube is the greatest honeypot/time sink ever built by mankind, you are all absolutely wasting the potential there by pushing anyone away from it.

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    1. Re:Sounds better to me than alternative by penandpaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No the troll mod is appropriate. How is generalizing millions of people to a caricature and a stereotype in any way not a troll?

      Also, wtf do you mean "dealt with"? That alone is retarded trollery. Are you going to have a Final Solution to the "nazi" problem? Seriously, are you one of those morons that think that the only way to have free speech is to restrict free speech for opinions you don't like? You do realize that the point of free speech is to protect the speech that is hated not what is universally accepted? You do realize that in that last half century that allowing nazi's/kkk/racists/whateverlabelyoubemoan to speak has had their numbers decreased? You and people that think like you are fuckin moronic.

      Karma be damned but you are a idiotic troll.

  4. Actual stats? by Mr307 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I rtfa and there were no numbers, well they mentioned 4, but 4 doesn't seem like enough to make an 'awash'.

    All that being said, I prefer to have a forum where its easier to point out the extremists because they are dumb enough to tell everyone just how well dumb they are and everyone can see it and who associates and or agrees with them too. Rather than hiding it in the shadows and pretending its not there, then being all surprised later when get clubbed over the head by some event and start crying.

    But whatever, it appears that the blocking is mostly being used to silence anything deemed disagreeable anyways so the secondary effect of blocking some idiots just has to be accepted.

  5. YT only removes extreme right wing content by dicobalt · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've reported a number of radical leftist videos and creators who promote violence, hate, and bullying, none have been taken down.

    1. Re:YT only removes extreme right wing content by ArylAkamov · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've done the same. It's pretty telling given all the AC comments directed at you too.
      We're in a pretty sorry state of affairs when commies advocating political violence is fine, but weapon safety videos get removed.

  6. What ever happened to defending unpopular speech by Holi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't get all this crap about wanting to remove these guys.

    1. I'd rather know what they are saying
    2. I'd rather know who they are
    3. I'm not cool with demands for censorship

    Now, I'm about as liberal as you can get, but censorship, government or otherwise always rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it has to do with the fact that my family has been here since the beginning and has served in every conflict our country has ever had. I believe in free speech, even for the idiots who spout white supremacy/nationalism crap.

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  7. Re:I am sick of the negative news/info/verbiage... by mspohr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    YouTube makes it easy for anyone to post video about anything and for other people to find that video and watch it. It does a really good job at this.
    Of course, you are going to have all kinds of people posting all kinds of video. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
    You don't have to watch Nazi videos.

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  8. Counter Point! by Templer421 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let the Nazi Freak Flag Fly.

    Then we can publicly point out the wrongness AND contradictions of the true believers.

    Banning lends a bit of anti-hero legitimacy it does not deserve.

    TRUTH nails their crazy ass beliefs to the village square for all to see.

    Often TRUTH changes the minds of the young and easily mislead followers before they get very far down the path of wrongness.

    1. Re:Counter Point! by tinkerton · · Score: 2

      That is it. The whole point of all these russia, hatespeech, nazi and fakenews campaigns is that we should agree that Youtube , twitter and others take full control over content and put in place an array of tools to enforce the rules. Youtube itself doesn't care, it will go along with it. Then later at any time it can be decided again and again what is acceptable content and it will be enforced.
      There will be possibilities for correction but these will be ineffective statistically unless the interests being stepped on have enough clout.

      If you decide that you can have enough confidence that the system won't hurt you or maybe others then this does not need be a disaster. Maybe that's right. If you take the seatbelts out of a car it doesnt kill you either. You're just taking away safeguards. I'm pretty sure it's going to be damaging though to all kinds of dissent. Sensible voices are already pushed to the perifery, this will only make them more invisible.

  9. It gets worse... by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

    The grammar nazis are EVERYWHERE! Some of them even right here on slashdot!

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  10. Re:I am sick of the negative news/info/verbiage... by wbr1 · · Score: 2
    There are great channels on youtube. The platform itself sucks, but if you want exposure and/or revenue it is the main contender.

    Some good channels:

    Tested
    AVE
    Cody'sLab
    Applied Science
    Practical Engineering
    Scott Manley
    ElectroBOOM
    Periodic Videos
    NileRed
    NurdRage

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  11. Communist videos? by JDAustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet communist/marxist propo vids don't trigger the SJWs like the nazi ones do even though the nazis were amateurs compared to the communists/maxists when comes genocide, repression and subjugation.

    1. Re:Communist videos? by Raenex · · Score: 2

      I'm going to stand in awe at your own lack of self-awareness. Motherjones is a lefty rag. GooTube is overtaken by lefty social justice warriors. The attack on neo-Nazis, while ignoring even worse communism, shows what the true agenda is: neo-Nazis first, then the "alt-right", then the "alt-light", etc.

      It wasn't even subtle. "A UK anti-refugee protest and speech, which includes a participant holding a flag from National Action, a neo-Nazi group the UK government banned as a terrorist organization last year. Other videos also include National Action banners."

      Oh, so there was an anti-immigration speech, and one participant held an outlawed flag. Therefore, the entire speech must be removed.

    2. Re:Communist videos? by AbRASiON · · Score: 2

      Read the rest of the posts here and carefully, understand them, this isn't about supporting nazis, this is about mislabelling people who disagree with practically anything to virtually any extent as Nazi.
      Censorship far beyond "just blocking Nazis"

  12. Re:What ever happened to defending unpopular speec by butchersong · · Score: 2

    I find it really concerning when you have a video of white patriots holding guns and making speeches against anyone that is not white.

    white/black and this is pretty much the historic definition of your average black panther rally. Would you suppress that group as well?

  13. Re:It's a trap! by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Motherboard not familiar with the concept of a "honeypot"? The best thing to do is leave these pages up, then pass the IP address of anybody watching them to the NSA, because watching them is adequate justification for a wiretap warrant.

    So having an unpopular opinion makes you a 'fair target' for government scrutiny?

    Do you feel the same way about Antifa supporters?

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  14. Are you a Neo-Nazi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    how Jews and Latinos (and anyone who isn't aryan, basically) are all scum and should be exterminated, then they're very likely neo-nazis

    The DNC leadership STRONGLY supports Louis Farrakhan who is an outspoken anti-semite. He got in the news this week giving a speech about how Jews are his enemies along with many other anti-semetic remarks.

    By your definition, since the DNC refuses to denounce his comments, the DNC leadership are Neo-Nazis. Which seems appropriate since they are the ones who let Robert Byrd, a KKK leader, be one of the top senators for 6 decades.

    I understand you were trying to paint all Republicans/Trump supporters as nazis, but using your own words I can only conclude you believe the DNC leadership are the real Nazis. Are you ready to denounce Pelosi, Shumer, Clintons, and the rest? Or will you stick up for them showing us you also are a Neo-Nazi.

  15. Re:Don't care about Neo-Nazis by 2ms · · Score: 2

    Don't buy it. There are practically no neo-Nazis in the world. No number worth speaking about. They're a bunch of clowns. If you listen to the media these days Russia is coming to get us and Neo-nazis are about to take over the world. It's utterly laughable. The neo-nazis weren't doing anything at all until the news networks came along and threw them in front of the tv camera as a prop to attack president that media's butthurt got elected instead of "their" candidate.

  16. Re:What ever happened to defending unpopular speec by ArylAkamov · · Score: 2

    Doesn't matter. You're either for treating groups equally or not.
    You also don't get to blame people for the actions of their ancestors but then claim that it's silly to take pride in the good things they did.
    It's all or nothing. No hypocracy.

  17. Actually no, it doesn't by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    Truth has been shown to be largely ineffective against deeply held beliefs like racism. It's a strong economy and worker solidarity that chips away at it. Also direct attacks at billionaire propaganda. Let's not forget the true end goal of racism: to make caste systems that divide the working class into easily managed groups who are always at each other's throats.

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  18. True, but here's a crazy thought by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    Maybe, just maybe (and I'm just spitballin' here) Youtube would like it very much if you couldn't find Nazi propaganda on their website.

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  19. Remember that time... by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 3

    Hey guys, remember that one time we had that crazy idea where people could say whatever they wanted and censorship was considered a bad thing?

    That was crazy, right?

  20. How about not letting others invade our countries by aliquis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about not letting others invade our countries in the first place?

    I'm from Sweden which have had the most extreme immigration politics and where this together with Germany may be the hardest subject to discuss whatsoever but even here the people have always been more for less immigrants rather than more and with our current immigration politics the EU "worries" that we'll make it permanent.

    What is this EU / that person / organ and why it worries about it?

    Sweden has been the most pro-immigration in the EU and taken the largest share per capita and yet somehow that's not enough?

    Not even the Swedish or German people wanted this let alone others in the saner parts of EU and still for whatever reason it's something we should have? Why? Decided by whom? Once again: Why? Where's the democratic foundation for that decision?

    Call it hatred all you want but it's fairly obvious Europeans from non-Muslim countries on average doesn't want Muslims and Islam to come and affect society, take control, replace our people. That may have been true for Eastern Europeans, former Yugoslavs and Africans too.

    Regardless of whatever that's because of values, ethnicity, religion, educational level or whatever what's the problem?

    Even if you are (classical) liberal you can respect ownership and as such our right to our countries or plots of land. If you consider every plot of land privately owned then that could of course be sold to whomever by the rightful owner but this is about robbing the natives of the land to pay for the invasion of their countries, loss of their sovereignty, people, identity and influence of their own land which isn't the same. And even if you are a collectivist and base that of state & democracy shouldn't the people of the state in question be in control of what they want to do?

    Call it hatred, racism and neo-nazism all you want but it's not necessarily true and it doesn't make it wrong and the opposite right regardless.
    The threats of things like civil-war, rising belief in nationalism, expression of hatred, possibly calls for discrimination and so on is just possible end results to try to control and solve the situation once our lands have already been filled with immigrants we didn't wanted here.
    But why were they let in in the first place? Why are we flooded? That's the real problem. They shouldn't be here as far as the original population wants. As for whatever you controller the borders originally or forced/encouraged them to go home and similarly forced them to assimilate rather than staying with their original identity and behavior is kinda irrelevant for reaching what the original people actually wanted.

    Of course the crazy traitors who encourage this view it as a problem as long as our countries have a majority of natives who can feel this way and as such it need to be flooded even more until we lose democratic control over our lands. But how isn't fighting both the traitors and the immigrants you didn't wanted actually somewhat justified in that scenario?

  21. Re:Right to Free Speech by HeckRuler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "protected speech" Don't play word games. The specific term "freedom of speech" goes back at least to 1689 and the idea goes all the way back to 600 BC in old Athens. If you feel the need to invent new terms to try and replace what everyone is already using and understands, you're likely full of shit.

    Calls to specific violence is a conspiracy to murder and that's illegal. "Let's go give a wet willie to Locke2005 (849178) next monday after work". That's trying to form a mob for an act of violence (of the most heinous of sorts). Generally advocating violence, like suggesting we tar and feather anyone who doesn't comment their code, that's not illegal. And yeah, these asshats really walk that line don't they? And it sucks that this shit gets down to technicalities. But it's IMPOSSIBLE to keep people from FEELING threatened. Hell, your post makes me feel threatened that my personal rights are going to get taken away and that my political party no longer supports the ideas born out of the age of enlightenment. That winds have changed and times are dark. It sucks. But I'm not advocating we ban you from Slashdot.

  22. Youtube's excuse for brazen censorship by walterbyrd · · Score: 2

    Why was Pat Condell's most recent video censored? Why was Mark Dice demonetized? Why have PragerU videos been censored? Why did Sargon of Akkad have his channel removed, and I could go on.

    None of those channels post anything close to "hate speech" and certainly never call for violence.

    Youtube censors any content that does fit google's far left agenda. Even the moderate left has there videos censored.

    Then they come up with this bullshit about armies of neo-Nazis posting hate speech to justify politically biased censorship.

    I can only hope that people are not stupid enough to believe that crap.

  23. Re:Conveniently ignored... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Firebombing Tokyo was much worse. Without the nuclear bombs dropped a few months later, there may have been many more such firebombings to bring the Japanese to the table to surrender. Of course, there was that little 40 day period called the Rape of Nanking where the Japanese killed over 250,000 people. Talking to my wife's grandmother - who lived through it as an 18 year old girl who was thankfully taken in by a Jewish family (otherwise she was certain to be raped and killed like her best friend), it was horrific. But never mind, USA bad because nuclear weapons.

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  24. Re:How about not letting others invade our countri by AbRASiON · · Score: 2

    With you entirely, there's an endless supply of articles and videos out the with clear evidence that letting in millions of unchecked immigrants from horrific counties has resulted in massive crime increase, these people are simply different culturally. Not all of them, most though.

    In the old days, with tighter borders, much lower immigration, the "quality" people from these regions who were educated, with good values, would escape the riff Raff and leave to other countries. Now the riff Raff practically have open borders, so they are swarming in. You need only ask the old immigrants from these same regions who came 20 to 50 years ago and they'll speak far poorly of"their countrymen" than any local "alt right" person.

    Your points are so incredibly valid. In a time where housing is so difficult to afford, jobs harder to find, wages stagnating, buying power diminishing, WHY IN EARTH, do these places need more immigrants?! Race aside, cultural issues aside, crime, skin colour, forget that, forget it all, why, economically should the locals be getting fucked?

    My country is one of the highest in the world, (besides Germany which is of course INSANE) and the economic impact is utterly incredible. The locals are being priced out of ever owning a home, we are specifically inviting quite a wealthy demographic who are using the country as a retirement village and another demographic who are willing to work for a bit less.
    My country isn't Europe and I tell you now, the fear of a landlord kicking you out of his property for profit and gentrification is very very worrying, upsetting, anxiety inducing.

    This immigration specifically helps the very wealthy, more workers for tax, more profit for big business, resulting in huge dividends, housing investments increasing in value or return on rent.
    Best part is the elite wealthy (generally right) are now in agreement with the left on mass immigration for entirely different reasons and the left have no idea JUST HOW MUCH it's ruining things for the young, (generally left, I was young once too)
    These poor, idiot kids are fighting the hard sjw issues! And in turn wondering why they have shit pay, shit jobs, no jobs and insane expensive houses.

    AND they can't be told by moderates like me, I'm obviously a Nazi....
    Sigh

  25. Re:Islam is the only remaining ideology by Reziac · · Score: 2

    Okay, you're definitely a Muslim, practicing the jihad of words via taqiya.

    I prefer to deal in hard facts. Here's a good compilation:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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