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YouTube Is Full of Easy-To-Find Neo-Nazi Propaganda (vice.com)
An anonymous reader quotes an exclusive report from Motherboard: Through a software-aided investigation, Motherboard has found that while YouTube has managed to clamp down on Islamic extremists uploading propaganda, the video giant is still awash with videos supporting violent and established neo-Nazi organizations, even when, in some cases, users have reported the offending videos. Clips of neo-Nazi propaganda operations, hate-filled speeches, and extremists pushing for direct action have remained on the site for weeks, months, or years at a time. Arguably, many if not all of these videos may fall under YouTube's own policy on hate speech, which "refers to content that promotes violence against or has the primary purpose of inciting hatred against individuals or groups based on certain attributes," including race or ethnic origin, religion, and sexual orientation, according to the policy.
Motherboard built a tool to monitor YouTube and make a record of when the platform removed certain videos, and limited the clips to propaganda for established neo-Nazi and far-right terrorist organizations like Atomwaffen, rather than people in the so-called "alt-right." Most of the videos were discovered through simple YouTube searches of relevant organizations' names, or sometimes through the "recommended videos" sidebar after Motherboard had built up a browsing history of neo-Nazi material. For the sake of comparison, over a week-long period Motherboard also tracked pro-ISIS videos uploaded by the group's supporters and then distributed through a network of Telegram channels. Typically, YouTube removed these Islamic extremism videos in a matter of hours, including those that did not contain images of violence, but were instead speeches or other not directly violent content. But YouTube is playing catch up with neo-Nazi material. YouTube removed only two videos that Motherboard was monitoring: two identical clips of a speech from UK terrorist organization National Action.
Motherboard built a tool to monitor YouTube and make a record of when the platform removed certain videos, and limited the clips to propaganda for established neo-Nazi and far-right terrorist organizations like Atomwaffen, rather than people in the so-called "alt-right." Most of the videos were discovered through simple YouTube searches of relevant organizations' names, or sometimes through the "recommended videos" sidebar after Motherboard had built up a browsing history of neo-Nazi material. For the sake of comparison, over a week-long period Motherboard also tracked pro-ISIS videos uploaded by the group's supporters and then distributed through a network of Telegram channels. Typically, YouTube removed these Islamic extremism videos in a matter of hours, including those that did not contain images of violence, but were instead speeches or other not directly violent content. But YouTube is playing catch up with neo-Nazi material. YouTube removed only two videos that Motherboard was monitoring: two identical clips of a speech from UK terrorist organization National Action.
Spoiler alert: that's the whole point.
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When so many on the left refer to anyone who disagrees with them as a Nazi the term has becoming meaningless. Maybe calling anyone with an R next to their name a nazi is a joke. I really don't know. It certainly won't end well at the polls when regular people vote for a 'correction' like they did in 2016, Brexit, and most recently Italy.
Newsflash, Trump is nothing like an actual Nazi.
What you rather happen:
A) Real actual nazis spend all free time making YouTube videos.
B) Angry nazis pushed off YouTube go outside and... do things.
You all seem to be angling for the "lets drive Nazis to take action" camp which sounds exceedingly unwise. YouTube is the greatest honeypot/time sink ever built by mankind, you are all absolutely wasting the potential there by pushing anyone away from it.
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I rtfa and there were no numbers, well they mentioned 4, but 4 doesn't seem like enough to make an 'awash'.
All that being said, I prefer to have a forum where its easier to point out the extremists because they are dumb enough to tell everyone just how well dumb they are and everyone can see it and who associates and or agrees with them too. Rather than hiding it in the shadows and pretending its not there, then being all surprised later when get clubbed over the head by some event and start crying.
But whatever, it appears that the blocking is mostly being used to silence anything deemed disagreeable anyways so the secondary effect of blocking some idiots just has to be accepted.
Just asking folks,
Is there anything that YouTube does well?
I haven't seen positive news on Slashdot in a long time.
Request: Can you at least post some good news. Please..
If they want to be total idiots and go around showing people how stupid they are, great. It's healthy for society to have transparency. As long as they aren't going around mass-murdering people I'm not bothered with it at all. It's good to see things that are extremely stupid because exposure to diversity of opinion (and idiocy) fosters intellectual development and clarity of values. It's bad for society when people go around slaughtering and/or recruiting people to perform slaughters. I am in favor of Nazis being on YouTube and am against mass-murderers on Youtube.
I've reported a number of radical leftist videos and creators who promote violence, hate, and bullying, none have been taken down.
What a ridiculous story. In a free society everyone has the right to speak. If you don't like it, tune it out.
This story seems to be something about a company having an internal policy which isn't uniformly bad, just bad against Isis. Really? There must be some actual news for nerds out there somewhere....
If Google used machine learning then all those Hitler parodies would be flagged as hate speech as well the that edition of the Sweet / Blockbuster which had one person wearing a swastika
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I ran across some music I was looking for behind a "warning, dangerous and offensive" material warning a few weeks ago. I was looking for a Ukrainian nationalist song - my translation is 'Kalina in the Valley' from one of the historical Ukrainian nationalist groups. Yes, the song was sung by a group that collaborated with the Germans in WW2. And singing or humming it during the Soviet era would get you a one-way ticked to Siberia. Doing so now in Russia would result in the same fate. There may be a broad brush here. Simply banning material does not address the issues.
I don't get all this crap about wanting to remove these guys.
1. I'd rather know what they are saying
2. I'd rather know who they are
3. I'm not cool with demands for censorship
Now, I'm about as liberal as you can get, but censorship, government or otherwise always rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it has to do with the fact that my family has been here since the beginning and has served in every conflict our country has ever had. I believe in free speech, even for the idiots who spout white supremacy/nationalism crap.
“What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.” Salman Rushdie
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
That's a bad thing? What about videos exhorting losers to take up jihad in the name of Allah? What about neo-Communists advocating the violent overthrow of capitalism? What makes Nazi wannabes worse than advocates of other noxious ideologies? Gotta love selective indignation!
I wonder: are these groups unwittingly, or knowingly the tools of the Dominionists?
Let the Nazi Freak Flag Fly.
Then we can publicly point out the wrongness AND contradictions of the true believers.
Banning lends a bit of anti-hero legitimacy it does not deserve.
TRUTH nails their crazy ass beliefs to the village square for all to see.
Often TRUTH changes the minds of the young and easily mislead followers before they get very far down the path of wrongness.
... Through a software-aided investigation ...
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
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I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Keep your friends close, keep your enemies toaster. https://youtu.be/oLBojtg22nk
Serenity now, insanity later.
The grammar nazis are EVERYWHERE! Some of them even right here on slashdot!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Yet communist/marxist propo vids don't trigger the SJWs like the nazi ones do even though the nazis were amateurs compared to the communists/maxists when comes genocide, repression and subjugation.
I find it really concerning when you have a video of white patriots holding guns and making speeches against anyone that is not white.
white/black and this is pretty much the historic definition of your average black panther rally. Would you suppress that group as well?
Neo-Nazis have been around for about 70 years now. Many are retired or dead. 'Neo' means 'new' and they aren't new. Many living ones don't know or care much about the original Nazis, they just wanna hate. They need a new name.
It's not sexy, but I'm happy calling them 'hate groups'. A universal term we can apply to white Americans, Moslems, Hindus and anyone else who prefers that lifestyle. Let's include loyal followers of Kim, Assad and other petty dictators around the world and in Washington DC.
...omphaloskepsis often...
Motherboard not familiar with the concept of a "honeypot"? The best thing to do is leave these pages up, then pass the IP address of anybody watching them to the NSA, because watching them is adequate justification for a wiretap warrant.
So having an unpopular opinion makes you a 'fair target' for government scrutiny?
Do you feel the same way about Antifa supporters?
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There will be lots of whataboutism, cuz you know those dirty nasty SJWs are well known for committing mass killings. Weird how President Trump cut the funding of tracking right wing extremists groups. #MAGA
how Jews and Latinos (and anyone who isn't aryan, basically) are all scum and should be exterminated, then they're very likely neo-nazis
The DNC leadership STRONGLY supports Louis Farrakhan who is an outspoken anti-semite. He got in the news this week giving a speech about how Jews are his enemies along with many other anti-semetic remarks.
By your definition, since the DNC refuses to denounce his comments, the DNC leadership are Neo-Nazis. Which seems appropriate since they are the ones who let Robert Byrd, a KKK leader, be one of the top senators for 6 decades.
I understand you were trying to paint all Republicans/Trump supporters as nazis, but using your own words I can only conclude you believe the DNC leadership are the real Nazis. Are you ready to denounce Pelosi, Shumer, Clintons, and the rest? Or will you stick up for them showing us you also are a Neo-Nazi.
I find it really concerning when you have a video of white patriots holding guns and making speeches against anyone that is not white.
white/black and this is pretty much the historic definition of your average black panther rally. Would you suppress that group as well?
Big difference! White people in the US don't have a history of oppression, slavery, and Jim Crowism.
But peoples' feelings might get hurt. Are you not a human being? You're evil.
Doesn't matter. You're either for treating groups equally or not.
You also don't get to blame people for the actions of their ancestors but then claim that it's silly to take pride in the good things they did.
It's all or nothing. No hypocracy.
does that count?And not that he's a what I would call an upstanding citizen but it's funny that the only billionaire Fox News ever goes after is George Soros.
Seriously, I'd like to see these jerks that use euphemisms for neo-nazi talking points called out on it more.
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Truth has been shown to be largely ineffective against deeply held beliefs like racism. It's a strong economy and worker solidarity that chips away at it. Also direct attacks at billionaire propaganda. Let's not forget the true end goal of racism: to make caste systems that divide the working class into easily managed groups who are always at each other's throats.
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The US dropped leaflets for days prior to the bombing. Grab a history book, Marxist.
Mao Zedong and Joe Stalin are not, where not and never were Communists. They were fascist dictators who borrowed Marx's populist rhetoric.
This is not to say communism works. It doesn't. You never get past the Dictatorship of the Proletariat because sooner or later some violent psycho like Mao or Stalin seizes power. The problem is the large transfer of ownership.
We solved this problem with Democratic Socialism. Instead of mandating equality you regulate it. You skip the massive transfer of ownership and regulate income inequality with minimum standards that are ever increasing as automation and productivity raise. As the actual left says about drugs and everything else: Legal, Taxed and Regulated.
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Maybe, just maybe (and I'm just spitballin' here) Youtube would like it very much if you couldn't find Nazi propaganda on their website.
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Hey guys, remember that one time we had that crazy idea where people could say whatever they wanted and censorship was considered a bad thing?
That was crazy, right?
Die in a fire fucking bootlicker
Need proof? Check out the comment totals. Subtract out the repetitious trolls and there's not much left. When was the last time you saw 1,000 comments? 500? Some articles have less than 50 days later. Slashdot is dying. I'm sorry to see it go, but social justice bullshit articles are not the way to save it. That's not news for nerds. It's clickbait for millennials without jobs and no life. Most of the nerds have already left.
They may be asshats, delusional, and crazy, but they have a right* to be on Youtube just as much as we do. This is a disturbing trend I've been seeing in my party of late. Just because the other guy is using "free speech" as a defense and talking point doesn't mean he's wrong or that we should start tearing it down. If we seriously only supported Hippy's right to free speech when it was convenient, then we're the exact sort of person the hippies were protesting again. If our views and political ideas and civilization are so shaky that some nut on youtube has a legitimate chance to bring it all tumbling down, we've got bigger problems. And "cracking down" on them often only serves to legitimize their complaints. Like if they're calling you authoritarian jack-boot thugs trying to silence the voice of the people. And yes, yes, I too understand the hypocrisy of a skin-head in literal jack-boots whining about personal rights.
*Offer not available in Germany, where NAZIs are specifically banned. And this brings up another point. Youtube is global. It has to straddle a dozen different law sets. Do we want Youtube banning everything that violates Sharia law? Any criticism of the king of Thailand? Because I think that'd be bullshit. If someone can find this material in Germany, well that's an issue for Germans and... however Youtube deals with that. If they expect their law to govern me, it sounds like we need to export a little more freedom their way.
But hey, calling for specific acts of violence, premeditating violence... that's illegal. That's planning a murder right there. Call the cops. I'm ok with that shit getting shut down.
And calling for generic violence and general hate really is against Youtube's policy. Although I don't want just anyone to have a veto button on what they consider "hateful" and I'd protest if they just start banning anyone with a particular ideology. Yes, even if the ideas are repugnant. Because I want enough personal freedom to suggest we take all you dirty tabbers and string you up. 2-space tabs for life! It's up to Youtube to walk that tightrope of trying to to piss off too many people. Ha, good luck.
There is an implicit threat of violence and intimidation at that point.
Are you concerned about rap?
You know the sort of music videos I'm talking about. What do you think youtube should do with these rap videos?
How about not letting others invade our countries in the first place?
I'm from Sweden which have had the most extreme immigration politics and where this together with Germany may be the hardest subject to discuss whatsoever but even here the people have always been more for less immigrants rather than more and with our current immigration politics the EU "worries" that we'll make it permanent.
What is this EU / that person / organ and why it worries about it?
Sweden has been the most pro-immigration in the EU and taken the largest share per capita and yet somehow that's not enough?
Not even the Swedish or German people wanted this let alone others in the saner parts of EU and still for whatever reason it's something we should have? Why? Decided by whom? Once again: Why? Where's the democratic foundation for that decision?
Call it hatred all you want but it's fairly obvious Europeans from non-Muslim countries on average doesn't want Muslims and Islam to come and affect society, take control, replace our people. That may have been true for Eastern Europeans, former Yugoslavs and Africans too.
Regardless of whatever that's because of values, ethnicity, religion, educational level or whatever what's the problem?
Even if you are (classical) liberal you can respect ownership and as such our right to our countries or plots of land. If you consider every plot of land privately owned then that could of course be sold to whomever by the rightful owner but this is about robbing the natives of the land to pay for the invasion of their countries, loss of their sovereignty, people, identity and influence of their own land which isn't the same. And even if you are a collectivist and base that of state & democracy shouldn't the people of the state in question be in control of what they want to do?
Call it hatred, racism and neo-nazism all you want but it's not necessarily true and it doesn't make it wrong and the opposite right regardless.
The threats of things like civil-war, rising belief in nationalism, expression of hatred, possibly calls for discrimination and so on is just possible end results to try to control and solve the situation once our lands have already been filled with immigrants we didn't wanted here.
But why were they let in in the first place? Why are we flooded? That's the real problem. They shouldn't be here as far as the original population wants. As for whatever you controller the borders originally or forced/encouraged them to go home and similarly forced them to assimilate rather than staying with their original identity and behavior is kinda irrelevant for reaching what the original people actually wanted.
Of course the crazy traitors who encourage this view it as a problem as long as our countries have a majority of natives who can feel this way and as such it need to be flooded even more until we lose democratic control over our lands. But how isn't fighting both the traitors and the immigrants you didn't wanted actually somewhat justified in that scenario?
Why was Pat Condell's most recent video censored? Why was Mark Dice demonetized? Why have PragerU videos been censored? Why did Sargon of Akkad have his channel removed, and I could go on.
None of those channels post anything close to "hate speech" and certainly never call for violence.
Youtube censors any content that does fit google's far left agenda. Even the moderate left has there videos censored.
Then they come up with this bullshit about armies of neo-Nazis posting hate speech to justify politically biased censorship.
I can only hope that people are not stupid enough to believe that crap.
There's tons of propaganda from all sorts on youtube. The trick is to realize it's propaganda and take it with large chunks of salt. At the very least, think for yourself and ask "Do they make any valid arguments, and if so, what parts are still bullshit?" and compare it with other events and ideas you have read/seen/experienced.
Censorship just lends legitimacy to it in the eyes of uninformed viewers. There's also simple Streisand effect. People want to see what they're not allowed to. This is especially powerful when the censored viewpoint has at least some validity.
Firebombing Tokyo was much worse. Without the nuclear bombs dropped a few months later, there may have been many more such firebombings to bring the Japanese to the table to surrender. Of course, there was that little 40 day period called the Rape of Nanking where the Japanese killed over 250,000 people. Talking to my wife's grandmother - who lived through it as an 18 year old girl who was thankfully taken in by a Jewish family (otherwise she was certain to be raped and killed like her best friend), it was horrific. But never mind, USA bad because nuclear weapons.
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The content of Youtube and its regulation/filtering/censorship, like most of US mainstream media, reflects mainstream US culture. To outside observers, the USA has a very wide gap between espoused values (free speech, equality, etc.) and practised values (political prisoners, overt systemic racism, etc.). The sooner mainstream US culture comes out of denial and faces its problems, the better: It has the potential to be a great democracy and shining beacon of humane values and civil society to the rest of the world.
Debate is a form of harassment. Do not question my truth.
I find it really concerning when you have a video of white patriots holding guns and making speeches against anyone that is not white. There is an implicit threat of violence and intimidation at that point.
In the US you don't need the government to protect you if you think there is a wave of racism or threat of violence out to get you even with government complicity. Everyone can be or is armed. It's one thing to say "X people are inferior therefore genocide". It is quite another thing to actually try and commit that genocide especially when the people you want to get rid of are armed and can shoot back.
Everyone that is threatened by any racist can defend themselves. Everyone that feel they need to defend their lives can equalize any encounter with any mob or person. You may have your rally in the streets to say my skin is shit. Good luck trying to take my life or liberty because I will defend myself to the extent needed. As will any American willing to take on the responsibility of freedom into their own hands. Everyone can defiantly stand for liberty against those who seek to take it, as is the tradition and foundation of the United States. This idea has been too easily forgotten by those who wish the government ban guns or ban ideas.
I do not fear a rise of racism or sentiment willing to commit genocide because any race deemed inferior has the freedom and capacity to prove otherwise and defend themselves regardless of the government.
Democrats aren't the left - they're just another variety of right-wing asshole, and as often as not are more extreme than the Republicans they claim to oppose.
With you entirely, there's an endless supply of articles and videos out the with clear evidence that letting in millions of unchecked immigrants from horrific counties has resulted in massive crime increase, these people are simply different culturally. Not all of them, most though.
In the old days, with tighter borders, much lower immigration, the "quality" people from these regions who were educated, with good values, would escape the riff Raff and leave to other countries. Now the riff Raff practically have open borders, so they are swarming in. You need only ask the old immigrants from these same regions who came 20 to 50 years ago and they'll speak far poorly of"their countrymen" than any local "alt right" person.
Your points are so incredibly valid. In a time where housing is so difficult to afford, jobs harder to find, wages stagnating, buying power diminishing, WHY IN EARTH, do these places need more immigrants?! Race aside, cultural issues aside, crime, skin colour, forget that, forget it all, why, economically should the locals be getting fucked?
My country is one of the highest in the world, (besides Germany which is of course INSANE) and the economic impact is utterly incredible. The locals are being priced out of ever owning a home, we are specifically inviting quite a wealthy demographic who are using the country as a retirement village and another demographic who are willing to work for a bit less.
My country isn't Europe and I tell you now, the fear of a landlord kicking you out of his property for profit and gentrification is very very worrying, upsetting, anxiety inducing.
This immigration specifically helps the very wealthy, more workers for tax, more profit for big business, resulting in huge dividends, housing investments increasing in value or return on rent.
Best part is the elite wealthy (generally right) are now in agreement with the left on mass immigration for entirely different reasons and the left have no idea JUST HOW MUCH it's ruining things for the young, (generally left, I was young once too)
These poor, idiot kids are fighting the hard sjw issues! And in turn wondering why they have shit pay, shit jobs, no jobs and insane expensive houses.
AND they can't be told by moderates like me, I'm obviously a Nazi....
Sigh
If it is Islamic propaganda it is terrorism, if it is Nazi propaganda it is free speech. That is what happens when folks are blind on one eye only.
That's because collective Western elite hivemind realizes that Islam is the only viable alternative ideology to dominating Western anti-ideology of liberalism.
During the height of Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, 40,000 volunteers from 80 countries (BBC reported it, with a map infographics - good luck finding it now) came to Iraq and Syria to fight for ideals of Islam, for the establishiment of Islamic State.
This effort is comparable to only one another campaign like that in history: Civil War in Spain in 30s, where people came to fight against fascism.
Neo-Nazism is a stupid non-ideology, glorified and ideologized xenophobia, no wonder it has zero threat to anything remotely meaningful in Western society.
In contrary, Islam, is a full-fledged ideology that covers every single aspect of human life: from the way people wipe their behind after responding to the call of nature to the comprehensive government rules. No other organized religion has it even remotely close: not Christianity, not all the pagans religions - all of them reduced to "personal religion" (basically, you invent a suitable religious modification for your personal needs).
Every single person on Earth can become a Muslim: black and white, homosexuals, women, neo-nazis, libertarians, Trump, Hitler, Putin - every single one of these people can say: Ash-hadu al-laa ilaaha il-Allah wa ash-hadu an-na Muhammadan rasulu-Allah and start from the cleanliest slates, like a newborn baby.
Nationalists and nazi of all kinds, of course, do not have this universality.
The Western response to establishment of Islamic State in Iraq and Syria was quick and un-equivocal. Despite the fact that the whole birth of this movement was a split from al-Qaeda on ideological basis of STOP ATTACKING WEST ON WESTERN TERRITORY the response of the West was much stronger than the response to Al-Qaeda - a massive media campaign to discredit Islamic State in the eyes of Western audience (which magnificiently backfired before finally Western media realized that the best and most common way of "radicalization" is watching CNN and after that it surrounded the military events with a shroud of secrecy - so we do not hear about brutal Dresden-level bombardments of Raqqa, Mosul and Kirkuk that did not leave a single building untouched, so we do not hear about extermination of Sunni population by Shia)
The sole reason for Western response to Islamic State in Iraq and Syria was Islam. Period. Real Islam, with implementation of Shariah, not some personified version of it that is promoted on every single minbar in every single American mosque - five pillars, come to the Masjid, make Wudu properly, help us build a school, etc. The Islam in Islamic State in Iraq and Syria was Islam of the first three righteous generations.
And, of course, the Azhab of modern days, the coalition between Western liberalism, deviant Islamic sects, local secularists and sell-out leaders of Arabic countries lashed at Islamic State.
There is no war on terror, there is a full-fledged war on Islam.
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Either we live in a free state or we do not.
In the meantime, it makes sense to expose people to a range of political thought. If they drift toward the extremes, it means that the middle is failing, not that the extremes are somehow inherently "seductive" or "infectious."
Neo-Nazism, after all, is in the middle of the political spectrum, just turned up to 11.
On the Left you have egalitarians who believe that society "progresses" from a natural state to a Utopia based on equality; on the Right you have people who believe in order, or that there are time-proven principles and structures which fit into a natural order of life which is timeless.
In the middle are people like neoconservatives, Nazis, fascists, and libertarians who want a social order but believe it can be achieved through utilitarian means like egalitarianism.
I find neo-Nazis to be too far Left, but maybe they will work for others.
Why are we trying to block access to this information? "Information wants to be free," so why do we oppose that?
Alternative Right.
So they should ban Communism? That'll be the day; every other Google Doodle is celebrating a communist.
What's the point of banning Nazi videos?
I can only guess that there are people who see "Nazism" as a growing and serious threat to the political order and that if YouTube Nazis are allowed to be on YouTube, they will achieve recruitment and thus further political success.
I think this is a crazy argument, but it seems to be the basis of wanting to stop Nazis from being on YouTube. Personally I think that most people will see them as people who fetishize swastikas and violence and not find them appealing.
I don't think banning Nazis from YouTube will really solve the underlying problems that cause racist right-wing ideologies to bubble up. Broken economics and human beings innate hostility to those they see as different won't be solved by hiding Nazis on YouTube. It literally doesn't fix the actual problems, only one of its uglier symptoms.
Odd. I never had any problem avoiding it. Actually, it was even never suggested to me out of the blue (and I had REALLY weird suggestions in the past). Then again, I never bothered to look for it either.
So what's this supposed to tell us? That you can get propaganda (of all kinds, why single one out?) easily when you're looking for it. Well, DUH? That's newsworthy? Really?
I think it's time for a new news outlet. I call it "obvious news", and it will carry all these things that are apparently outrageous and completely unfathomable ... oh wait, Vice beat me to it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
There is actually a simple solution to the problem. Asylum, ok. Become criminal and you're out. You can leave on your own or you get flown out of the country, and if nobody takes you back, the sea does.
Do it thrice and crime rates will plummet.
Same with boat refugees. Sink 3 boats and it stops.Immediately.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Hitler's total death count - probably less than 12m.
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot: pushing 30m - depending on how many of the famine deaths caused by government policies you want to include.
You're not going to achieve the peace you seek by constantly antagonizing your enemy....
A jewish family in Nanking.....that's an outlier
Anyone either unbalanced enough or ignorant enough to be attracted to Nazi beliefs needs to be swept up and sent into a secured institution until their mental health or education improved enough to allow them to converse with the rest of the world. Facts matter ! Hitler was the worst disaster to every hit Germany. His beliefs caused Germany to commit horrors that got their nation beaten down like a bug under a shoe. Preaching hatred drove Germany into a rabid group of savage filth. Not top even mention the at least 40 million dead caused by Nazi beliefs it also took a wrecking ball to the German economy that lasted quite some time after WW2 ended. The militarization of Russia was one response to Nazi behavior. Russia was in great fear of Germany and that fear was instrumental in creating a huge communist effort to take over the world. If anyone out there thinks they agree with Nazi ideas they need to rush to a mental health facility and get help. In the end Hitler said that Germany deserved death as they obviously were not fit enough to win the war and a more hearty people deserved to prevail. A mad man expressing the ultimate treason and then the gutless idiot commits suicide. Our current US president is a mess and corrupt but even Trump is better than Hitler.
Furthermore, no one held a gun to your head and MADE you search for Nazi propaganda, or anything else. If you found it, no one MADE you watch it. There's all sorts of disagreeable horseshit on Youtube, but guess what -- I CAN IGNORE IT. (Tho I'd just as rather know what the other half is saying.)
Oh, the advertisers might be offended? How about Youtube stops trying to police that, and lets the ADVERTISERS determine what videos they appear on? put that burden where it belongs.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
Funny how the same people who want Africans to replace Swedes think it's terrible that the Chinese are colonizing Africa.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
Bingo. You've identified the "real" Nazis: anyone who looks around, observes the obvious as it hits them over the head, and says -- hey, this mass-immigration thing isn't going quite how they told us it would....
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
In a free society, you are able to publish and access ANY THING.
If that bothers you, I suggest you find a Stalinist regime to flee to.
As a matter of academic historical interest, all of the original Nazi materials should be accessible on YouTube. Forget about the new stuff.
It's like people suddenly forgot what country they live in and what century this is.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
The one thing Trump has done, unwittingly, is bring all the racists/bigots/neo-nazis/white supremacists/etc out into the light;
Very true! And it's been costing both Democrats and Republicans ever since, which is great.
No-where more apparent than in the media though, where you can more plainly see the bigotry against those who are now radically left-minded.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Youtube is full of easy to find left wing crap as well. Welcome to the internet.
No, they precisely do not have a right to be on YouTube.
AS. MUCH. AS. WE. DO.
Don't bloody well chop off half the sentence, that's altering what I said and sticking words in my mouth. How rude.
Youtube let's people upload videos. You, me, and NAZIs. If they put up hate fill bullshit, that's a violation of their policy and youtube is well withing their rights to take it down and I won't throw a fuss.
YouTube is a private enterprise. There is no free speech on someone else's platform at their cost.
oh ho ho! I think you're confusing "free speech", and ideal born out of the age of enlightenment that's far older than our nation and constitution, with the first amendment, which regulates the government and not private enterprise. They can most certainly run afoul of free speech issues, regardless of the first amendment. Free speech is not something for other people to worry about. Free speech does not magically go away when it's someone you don't like talking.
that itself is offensive to the very democracy which seeks to protect rights of self expression and speech
Yes. It IS offensive. So?
Offending the King of Thailand is irrelevant. YouTube is an American enterprise.
Yes, exactly. Same with german laws about NAZIs.
Its only duty is to abide by US Law. Everything else is a courtesy.
....Unless they operate in Thailand, where it's illegal. But yes, we're mostly on the same page here. Thailand can go pound sand and block youtube if they really want. On the other hand.... Do you know how CDN's operate? If they DO have servers in Thailand or Germany or Egypt...
And what's at issue here isn't videos by people who merely express their opinions; it's the videos where people call for violence with some vagueness.
. . . And "American standards" as dictated by American law says that's legal. But it's against Youtube's policy. Which is fine. ...Did you make it all the way to the end of my post before commenting?
What I find fascinating is that all these witch hunts for nazis aren't occurring on public channels--these are private citizen users on privately-owned* social networks putting pressure on their operators to censor speech, which may or may not have any legal equivalency in the public sphere. It's purely business sense in whether the operators (YouTube, Twitter, what have you) choose to remove material that a vocal part of their user-base are objecting to. And that business sense is based on whether advertisers feel safe to spend their money. I think Penny Arcade's Jan 22 strip does a great job of reminding us what lies at the foundation of these tussles.
I.E. if alt right videos are bad for business, alt right videos get removed.
It's fascinating to me as a leftist that complaints of "witch hunts" are being pointed at these blue California tech companies...which are only responding to market forces. Which is the altar to which most card-carrying Republicans and Libertarians pray.
We Americans are in a transition phase in our society, and it'll be interesting to see what comes out of it.
*Alphabet is publicly traded, but the distinction I'm trying to make is public policy/law versus corporate policy.
Include the Soviets in the list. The started the war allied with the Nazis.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
The punchline from a Dirty Johnny joke. His little brother's teacher's was named 'Prussy'...Johnny helped him remember the name.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Shanghai had a lot of jews, and Nanjing - just a few hours NW - did as well. There are some very good Jewish museums there in both cities, and the museums and artifacts are held in pretty high regard by the locals, and even the Government (which funds the majority of these museums), because of their willingness to shield so many Chinese lives while the Japanese rampaged through the area.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
I dont watch much gangsta rap,
A very keen an pertinent lifestyle choice when it comes to garbage on youtube. One that could even be extend past rap.
Most rap I've seen is heavily redacted for sex, drugs, violence, affiliations, etc. Perhaps YT isnt doing this,
. . . No. No youtube isn't bleeping out swear words and adding black bars to videos. This is not a service that Youtube provides. Are you familiar with the platform? This might be a good first step when commenting on an article about their policies.
There is actually a simple solution to the problem. Asylum, ok. Become criminal and you're out. You can leave on your own or you get flown out of the country, and if nobody takes you back, the sea does.
Do it thrice and crime rates will plummet.
Same with boat refugees. Sink 3 boats and it stops.Immediately.
It could had been done. As could sane laws for who are allowed in.
But that haven't been the case.
In Sweden "equality" has reached municipal and constitutional law and possibly in 2010 they when they started the last wave of crazy they also put in there that no Swedish citizen could be expelled from Sweden.
As such municipals are paying to provide for illegal immigrants as well and once people get citizenship you can't force them to leave and in the courts sometimes they don't think expulsion is appropriate for the crime, other times they may not ask for it though they are supposed to (possibly because they are "humanist" or "don't think it would carry through" anyway but they aren't supposed to consider that) and Sweden don't deport people under all conditions and to all places so it may not happen anyway.
We've got multiple tens of thousands of mostly Afghani men in Sweden who have (falsely) claimed to be children because they in general lack rights of asylum. They are still here and adults now and lack right of asylum but still we've got all these mostly women whining about how they should be allowed to stay and of course others aren't really free to speak their mind because of legal and social situations but also the general population has been told lies where these people originally was "lone-coming refugee children" and later become just "lone-coming children" and now just are "lone arrivals" or "youths who came alone" but it's still the same people and back during the most crazy period 2014-2015 the propaganda about how every fucking person was a refugee and had to come here has of course changed how people think so if you say "lone-comer" people will likely think "oh so it's one of those young men from Afghanistan" but with the old value of that person since they have been taught they are refugees.
Also we've got one young girl belonging to the same group which are already allowed to stay which arrange lots of demonstrations and meetings with them and call for them to be allowed to stay and she and their group has made claims like "Sweden shouldn't sent people to their death!" which of course isn't true even if they were sent back to Iran or wherever they came from. She's even admitted herself that she doesn't mean biological death but "psychological death."
Similarly #vistårinteut (#wecantstandit) made their own charts about how the people from Afghanistan who have had their age written up or become over 18 years of age only had been seen as having the right of asylum in 4-5% of the cases by the Migration office and of course used that as propaganda to demand that many more / all should be allowed to stay rather than just so few. But the alternative interpretation of course is that yes, only 4-5% of them have the right of asylum. As such a very large majority of them should be kicked out of Sweden.
In Sweden the migration office also paid 1900 SEK / day for lone-coming refugee children and the group they argue if they should be allowed to stay are those who came before some date in November 2015 where they kinda decided to try to stop the large amount of asylum applications and made a line for whom would get to stay under old conditions/laws and who would get to stay / be judged by new ones. So they have been here a very long time and 1900 SEK / day is $84000 / year, some of them cost even more because so many come back then that it really was the sellers market as for how to house them and such. So they have cost an insane amount of money already on false claims of being children and refugees.
If you want open borders you should remove all welfare and positive rights. It's by no means fair to make the Swedi
They are for immigrants to preserve their identity and separate themselves out and fight against the other group and to generate statistics based on ethnicity / sex to make wild claims about discrimination and point out "injustice" (unequal outcome) and think slavery, colonialism and the spread of western ideas to be bad, but doing the same for white people aren't ok and to let it all happen to us are just fine.
They don't make any sense whatsoever beyond looking at them as socialists who want equal outcome for all. Because that's their true value. Not that of not bothering with race, sex, rights, criminality, equality, lack of discrimination, democracy and what not. It's all BS.
Yep. And massively encouraged by the welfare state, which frankly should be restricted to citizens, not open to everyone with their hand out. Charity is one thing, but this is suicidally pathological altruism.
The current mess boils down to divide and conquer. A cohesive people are tough to overwhelm; "diverse" people (whose first loyalty is to their foreign tribe) can't and won't pull together well enough to resist, and some will welcome their new overlords.
And from all I've seen, while Soros money may largely fund the "resettlement" NGOs, the real backer of this scheme appears to be Saudi Arabia, which has discovered an excellent way to spread the reach of Islam (which is basically proto-Marxism with hellfire pasted on top) without the tedium and expense of a shooting war. They've been trying to conquer Europe for 1400 years, and have always ultimately failed. But this time, the enemy is already inside the gates.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?