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Cable Industry Finally Fights Cord Cutting With Fewer Ads (dslreports.com)

The cable industry is slowly realizing that more advertisements and higher prices aren't the solution to cord cutting. Karl Bode writes via DSLReports: AT&T and Dish have explored offering cheaper, more flexible streaming alternatives (DirecTV Now and Sling TV, respectively), both understanding that getting out ahead of the cord cutting trend is the right play, even if the net result is making less money from traditional television. And on the broadcasting front, several companies this month made it clear they'll be reducing the ad loads on their programming, since charging users a subscription fee and socking them with endless ads is becoming a dated concept in the cord cutting era. Fox, for example, told the Wall Street Journal this week that the company would be reducing TV ad time in its content to two minutes an hour by 2020. Comcast NBC Universal says it's also following suit, having cut advertising time in its own shows by 10%, and reduced the overall number of advertising during commercial breaks by 20%. Given there's 83 million households still subscribing to traditional cable TV, many cable executives are under the false impression they can keep doubling down on bad ideas without the check coming due. But the data indicates this head in the sand approach simply isn't sustainable. Pay TV providers saw a reduction of more than 500,000 traditional pay TV customers during the fourth quarter, a decline of 3.4% total pay TV customers from the year before. That 3.4% decline was up from the 2% rate during in the fourth quarter of 2016 and a 1% rate of decline one year before that.

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  1. Just cut the cord myself by Cowclops · · Score: 5, Informative

    I made the decision this week to cut the cord myself and I dropped all my TV equipment today.

    In an industry where high price/low value is cited by 80% of the people dropping their TV service, I was told that I had to pay an extra $60 a month to get a "free" internet speed upgrade to switch from a grandfathered TWC plan to a new spectrum plan with no other benefits. $145->$205.

    Instead I opted to drop tv, drop my bill to $65, and get the "still techncially supposed to be free" bump from 60x5 to 100x10.

    I just don't know how they think people wil pay $140 for Cable TV when there are so many solid alternatives that are under $40 if not under $30 a month (Sling, Hulu, Netflix, Etc).

    1. Re:Just cut the cord myself by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      How about a one-time expense of installing an antenna on your house and never pay again? Do you really have so much free time that you need to fill it with passive entertainment?

    2. Re:Just cut the cord myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good for you!

      When I was 18 and moved out of the house, I left television behind permanently. It's been sixteen years since I last watched anything -never had a subscription to Netflix or any other platform. I go to the movies a couple of times a year if there's something I want to see -but that's it, really. I definetly enjoy the experience these days since it is so rare.

    3. Re:Just cut the cord myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OTA is not the answer to everything. Yes, it gets you free channels. But maybe the things he wants to watch are not available OTA? Maybe he lives in a rural area and what is available in HD OTA is extremely limited? If I wanted to go OTA in my location, I'd have to erect a 50-foot tower for the antenna just to get more than 2 channels because of the local geography.

    4. Re:Just cut the cord myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      OTA is not the answer to everything. Yes, it gets you free channels. But maybe the things he wants to watch are not available OTA? Maybe he lives in a rural area and what is available in HD OTA is extremely limited?

      There will always be reasons why something doesn't work for someone. I live in a shithole and get 30+ stations with a $6 dipole. YMMV.. most live in or near cities.

      If I wanted to go OTA in my location, I'd have to erect a 50-foot tower for the antenna just to get more than 2 channels because of the local geography.

      This is where my bullshit detector starts flashing and I begin to assume you are just guessing and have not really seriously bothered to look into what's available OTA. Chance of a transponder broadcasting single channels is near zero.

    5. Re:Just cut the cord myself by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      how about buy vpn service and go to the bay for movies/etc?

      apartment complex guy here: no antennas and OTA content mostly sucks anyway. TV content sucks badly, overall.

      I grew up in the 60's and 70's and thought commercials were bad (quantity) back then. its unwatchable now. 100% unwatchable.

      they'll never get me back, even if it was truly free. horse has left the barn and ain't coming back.

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    6. Re: Just cut the cord myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know if someone doesnâ(TM)t own a TV?... they tell you.

    7. Re:Just cut the cord myself by Firethorn · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I live in a fairly rural area and have about 4 non-religious stations within reach. Consider that OTA stations are all advertising supported as well.

      I'd argue that it's just the opposite: I have so little free time that $8/month for a Netflix plan is well worth it.

      https://www.statista.com/stati...

      They say 693 seconds of advertising per hour, average, for broadcast TV. 11 minutes and 33 seconds of ads.
      That is 5 hours, 46 minutes, 30 seconds per month, assuming that you average 1 hour/day.

      Using Netflix as a plan to avoid that? $1.38/hour to avoid advertising. That's less than minimum wage. Worth it.

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    8. Re:Just cut the cord myself by blackomegax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Plus, there's an amazing mental thing that occurs when you cut *all ads* out of your life (to the extent one can, anyway). ublock, netflix-only, pirating, etc. Watching an ad gives some soulless corporate free rent in your mind, sometimes to the tune of HOURS from a 30 second ad. That's time you spend *not being you, but being a corporate drone.*

    9. Re:Just cut the cord myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Advertising is a psychological cancer on the world, yet almost the entire tech industry is built on it. Everyone thinks they're too smart to be affected, but the world's corporations don't spend a trillion dollars a year on it because it doesn't work.

      I refuse to use any software or product that serves ads that can't be blocked somehow. (With an extra 'Fuck off' if you expect me to pay money for the product on top of that)

    10. Re:Just cut the cord myself by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

      Same here! I dumped my cable TV in mid December. I'm saving $102 a month! Now Spectrum offers me the new $21 pick your channels package, I tore it up and threw it out. YOU BLEW IN SPECTRUM! Suck it!

    11. Re:Just cut the cord myself by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

      Maybe he needs to ADAPT and change. Or pay up the ass for cable.

    12. Re:Just cut the cord myself by jon3k · · Score: 2

      Congratulations, seriously. I did the same thing a few years back and it really is a matter of habit. You get so used to having the TV on or making it part of your life. Within a month of not having it you'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner. I certainly learned to really appreciate a nice, quiet home.

    13. Re: Just cut the cord myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your bullshit detector is broken. I looked into this for my parents in Pennsylvania - 3 channels with piss poor signals. So no, itâ(TM)s not an option for as many people as you apparently think.

    14. Re: Just cut the cord myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're almost as insufferable as vegans.

    15. Re:Just cut the cord myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I live between Richmond and Washington. A check of http://www.receptionmaps.com/Advanced-TV-Maps.html indicates a 50ft antenna will get me 1 channel. I need 90ft to get LOS to a single transmitter. I probably need 150ft to get good reception.

    16. Re: Just cut the cord myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and crossfit

    17. Re: Just cut the cord myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you are invited into their house, how else would you know?

      Judging by your passive-aggressive post, I have a feeling you don't get invited into homes very often.

    18. Re:Just cut the cord myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ah yes folks, here we have the famous "I don't watch TV" guy that is sure to ruin every party.

    19. Re: Just cut the cord myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your party sucks

    20. Re:Just cut the cord myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ads are my queue to go take a leak or make a cup of tea.

    21. Re:Just cut the cord myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The value in digital streaming is the large database of movies you can call up from the search index and view when you want to view them. Next to that, the value of a source that chooses when to play the content they want approaches zero.

    22. Re:Just cut the cord myself by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      I have a DVR (TiVo, and I've had more than one of them over the last 15 years). I don't see commercials. :-) Truth be told if I lost access to a working DVR and couldn't skip commercials, I'd probably stop watching television completely (mainly because I couldn't watch what I want to watch when I want to watch it). Paying for TV, regardless of whether it's cable or so-called 'streaming', is a non-starter. Just not worth it to me for another monthly bill that will inevitably get more and more expensive as the years roll by -- and it will. And you'll all get subjected to ads regardless, if not now then in the future. Live long enough and you see repeating patterns like this.

    23. Re:Just cut the cord myself by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Get a better place to live, then. :-) I used to live in apartments, I'd never go back to that, it sucks in more ways than just that.

    24. Re:Just cut the cord myself by Zaelath · · Score: 1

      It's a "cue" and you must drink a lot of over-steeped tea if you make a cup every 2nd ad break.

  2. Buh-bye by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    AT&T and Comcast can just fuck right off. Lower your goddamn prices and improve customer service and then maybe we can talk. And please stop trying to contact me. When I want to talk to you, I'll let you know.

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  3. Cut the cord long ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only reason for tv is if you like live sports and that's cause the leagues have backwards streaming options.

  4. What I want... by Archfeld · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I want a 30 channel subscription that allows me to select all 30 stations from a lineup on a 30 day interval. A menu that allows me to checkbox what stations I want and then change them on a monthly basis. You pay a minimum for just basic connectivity, and then a tiered level that allows you to choose the stations YOU want, not some carefully constructed pack that is calculated to spread the popular channels through out 5 packs which in the end costs you the same or more as you would spend on a traditional tiered system. I want the program to be streamed to me at high speed so I can fast forward and reverse even if it is not on my DVR. I want enough memory in my set top box to store 30 minutes of HD video. I would even stomach a few ads, the more targeted the better, I hate watching ads for diapers or baby food, or feminine products. I hate watching an ad for the show I am currently watching...*cough* El Rey Network. I love hockey but what is the point of the NHL network in the offseason, or for that matter what is the point of OWN period ?

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    1. Re:What I want... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I want a 30 channel subscription that allows me to select all 30 stations from a lineup on a 30 day interval.

      Charter is piloting a "Pick 20" a la carte package in my area. A quick scan of the available channels to choose from gave me the impression it didn't completely suck, too, which was a bit of a surprise. I got the mailing because I buy internet but not TV. Haven't in years and years. Still didn't, even with options. The price was definitely much lower than their usual. +$20 instead of +$40 on top of Internet.

      Now if I gave a damn about commercial television, maybe...

    2. Re:What I want... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want a 30 channel subscription that allows me to select all 30 stations from a lineup on a 30 day interval.

      Charter is piloting a "Pick 20" a la carte package in my area....

      This kind of thing is limited since people that own channels people want, also own channels people usually don't care so much about. They force providers to take both channels if they want the better channel. It shouldn't be allowed for one company or person to own more than one channel, newspaper, etc, etc, but that is where we are.

      I'd like to see all the cable and related monopolies go down the drain. We should just have good internet, which can carry multicast and similar streams of channels. Everything can have advertising, that is hard to skip. Click on the channel and play it, regardless of what channel it is. Maybe that won't work with every channel, but it would be the simplest, and if you want no commercials you can pay more. Supporting both shouldn't be hard.

      Hell everyone could put their content on youtube and it would all just kind of work, even if it would be giving Google a heck of a monopoly. Of course the commercials might have to be woven directly into the normal streams in real time so you can't easily skip them, but it is likely doable..

    3. Re:What I want... by iotaborg · · Score: 1

      The concept of a TV station is so dated, screw that. I want shows, not stations, and streaming services like Netflix let me do just that. Also I want ad-free shows, and no ads in the show either; utterly obnoxious. Once again the pirated option is superior.

    4. Re:What I want... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why you think that would save you money. You think NHL network would cost the same in the offseason? Heck, they'll probably give it to you for free.

      Also, what makes you think that all channels will be equally priced. While it seems unfair to have to buy a bundle, I'm not sure it'll be cheaper to buy by the channel.

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    5. Re:What I want... by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      Unless you prefer not to steal. I too would like my choice of entertainment at no cost but that isn't fair or likely to ever happen. I'd settle for an even break, but realize that isn't going to happen.

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    6. Re:What I want... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just have a "credit" system. $20 gets you 20 credits, $40 gets you 50, etc. Then people can choose the channels they want. And yes, I know that some channels are cheaper than others when bundled, so they could do things like ESPN and FreeForm are 4 credits and 1 credit, but if you get ESPN, you also get FreeForm for free. Not only would that allow people to pick what they want, but it would also shine light into how much each channel actually costs.

    7. Re:What I want... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It shouldn't be allowed for one company or person to own more than one channel, newspaper, etc, etc, but that is where we are."

      Welcome to the USSR comrade. Go take a long walk off a short pier.

    8. Re:What I want... by dwye · · Score: 1

      You think NHL network would cost the same in the offseason? Heck, they'll probably give it to you for free.

      Actually, if they had any brains, off-season they would pay YOU, just like QVC, HSN, JWL TV, etc. pay your local cable company to include them for pretty much everyone. That way, even if you don't actually watch it, you stay a subscriber; since it stays on the line-up, you at least remind yourself about it, so that when the pre-season starts up you will be watching, as opposed to having to remember to re-subscribe.

  5. Too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They took too long to adapt and fight the new guys on the block, now they came in last place.
    All I wanted was maybe 5 channels, everything I couldn't care less about, yet they still charge me that "basic package" of channels I give zero shit about and have to pay extra for 10 channels when I only want 5... Sorry but it's way too expensive for the 5 channels I wanted.

  6. Fuck them all by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The entire advertising industry and everyone who depends on them have shown themselves to be unethical , and morally bankrupt. They ALL deseeve to die in a nuclear accident.

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    1. Re:Fuck them all by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      advertising AND entertainment, which now, sadly, includes 'news'.

      we no longer have news. we have bullshit that is paraded in front of us as 'news'.

      I have zero problems taking what I want from the bay. we all have been raped many times over by the so-called entertainment industry. I am done paying for content. like the 1-percenters that have all decided 'rules don't apply to them'; I figure if its good enough for them, its good enough for me. rules about paying for content don't apply to me anymore. yeah, fuck them - I just don't care anymore. I paid enough full-price for that crap over my lifetime. no more.

      if they ever start to become ethical again, I'll reconsider, but not in the current state of the industry.

      it really does seem to be true: the only way to win is to play dirty. the big guys all do it. we should, too.

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    2. Re:Fuck them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intelligent action, without the constrictions of moral scruples, grants one a huge advantage in the fight for wealth and power.

      A simple understanding of statics would lead us to expect that moral bankruptcy would be over represented among the rich and powerful in ANY enterprise.

      Do remember....in the animal kingdom, the powerful assert their dominance over the weak with no moral inhibitions at all. Morality as we understand it is just an evolution of our pack instincts, and time has yet to reveal the efficacy and staying-power of our modern implementations.

  7. No ads by hambone142 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I recall buying cable TV because it had NO ADs.

    Now we get to pay to see ads.

    They're cutting their own throats and I have no sympathy for cable companies.

    1. Re:No ads by bws111 · · Score: 0

      No, you do not recall that because it never happened. When cable first started in the 50s and 60s it was just retransmission of local channels. All of the ads were of course included. In the 70s subscription services such as HBO entered the picture. They were, and still are, ad-free. The later 70s and 80s saw the introduction of 'super stations', which were OTA broadcasts that were also carried on satellite and picked up by cable, again with all the ads in place. Pure cable, but not subscription, channels such as CNN have always had ads. The 'ad free' time you remember so fondly never happened.

    2. Re:No ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That never happened here. We were promised commercial-free cable TV, but what we got was commercial-infested cable TV! If I am going to pay for TV shows and movies, there will be no commercials at all. Give me the service for free, and I might tolerate 1 or 2 MINUTES PER HOUR of commercials...but no more than that! Thats the bottom line for me, and many other people as well. I have no sympathy for the cable TV companies at all.

    3. Re:No ads by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

      Yup. I got mine in '77. It was touted as less to no ads and anything goes. Now there's 15+ minutes per hour of ads. A measly 22 minutes of programming. It wasn't that bad back in the 60's-mid 70's.

    4. Re:No ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what do you get from a glut of tv
      a pain in the neck and an i.q. of three
      why don't you try simply reading a book
      or could you just not bear to look
      you'll get no
      you'll get no
      you'll get no
      you'll get no
      you'll get no commercials.

  8. All tolled it isn't bad by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 0

    Fox, for example, told the Wall Street Journal this week that the company would be reducing TV ad time in its content to two minutes an hour by 2020.

    JFC. I mean JFC.

    Did I mention JFC?

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    1. Re:All tolled it isn't bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're already backpedaling on reducing the amount of ads to two minutes per hour.

      “It was sort of an aspiration or goal. Not a declaration,”

    2. Re:All tolled it isn't bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be happy if Fox just reduced ads for their own shows to two minutes per hour.

  9. too little too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, I can watch what I want, when I want. something you can't do on cable unless you have a DVR which is just another piece of unnecessary equipment that will have a limited life span and need to be replaced.

    Unless CommieCast can get their act together and let me watch any and every episode of Family Guy, Breaking Bad or anything else anytime I want and for only $10-20/month they'll never have me back.

  10. Settle down, John Henry and Paul Bunyan by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    I have a driverless car for rent!

    (32,000 people show up)

    "It can't carry them all. What a failure!"

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  11. too little, too late. by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I stopped watching in 2013 because the ads are just too in my face. I started playing a game of, flick the ad off before the message so that I got the art work but not the message until I realised the shows kind of sucked as well.

    The shows that didn't suck I didn't watch because of the ads and waited until they were re-runs that I could binge watch without commercials.

    I think it has had a positive impact on my mental health as well, I feel a lot less stressed since I stopped watching all that crap.

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    1. Re:too little, too late. by hjf · · Score: 2

      fox latin america is the worst. It's just horrible. They cut scenes off shows, and at the end, squeeze the credits to the side and fast forward them. All to show more ads.
      And even worse, BIG, HUGE LETERS with countdowns:
      29 DAYS, 2 HOURS AND 30 SECONDS UNTIL THE SEASON PREMIERE OF THE WALKING DEAD.
      That sign is up for the whole month, taking about 10% of the screen.
      When the walking dead season premiere is up, the sign is changed:
      WALKING DEAD SEASON PREMIERE.

    2. Re:too little, too late. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fox latin america is the worst. It's just horrible. They cut scenes off shows, and at the end, squeeze the credits to the side and fast forward them. All to show more ads.

      I think all the broadcast channels are doing this. Sometimes they even show the end credits in a little window, and start the next show in a bigger window at the same time... just to squeeze in more commercial time of course.

    3. Re:too little, too late. by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      fox latin america is the worst. It's just horrible. They cut scenes off shows, and at the end, squeeze the credits to the side and fast forward them. All to show more ads. And even worse, BIG, HUGE LETERS with countdowns: 29 DAYS, 2 HOURS AND 30 SECONDS UNTIL THE SEASON PREMIERE OF THE WALKING DEAD. That sign is up for the whole month, taking about 10% of the screen. When the walking dead season premiere is up, the sign is changed: WALKING DEAD SEASON PREMIERE.

      fox latin america is the worst. It's just horrible. They cut scenes off shows, and at the end, squeeze the credits to the side and fast forward them. All to show more ads

      It's like looking at crazytown when I see it and people pay for it? Ironic that you mentioned the Walking Dead, I wonder how many people are being zombiefied in front of commercials right now?

      We should be invoicing these companies for our time, but they figured out a way to turn that around so people pay money for ads. People convinced that it's a good way to spend their time however people have spent their time to earn money to pay for ads that consume their time. No one is buying time.

      Come to think of it saving money has also become a lot easier since I stopped and it makes me wonder just how much our attention is worth if they go to all this effort to capture it? Maybe its like worship, imagine the scene, the Goddess Med-ia, she is pretty, shiny, jealously demands all of our attention, then her beautiful form approaches you, as she reaches out to touch you...breaks for commercial

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    4. Re:too little, too late. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> I think all the broadcast channels are doing this
      Not really. I'll correct you :
      "I think all the broadcast channels in the USA are doing this"
      In other countries, there is often much less ads.

    5. Re:too little, too late. by hjf · · Score: 1

      Fox Latin America isn't a broadcast channel. It's a cable channel.

  12. Not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The cable model is obsolete. The idea that you have to wait until a specific time to watch a specific program is the result of technological limitations, not because it is better. Now, that limitation no longer exists, and the cable model can only be sustained so long as big business uses its influence to keep an inferior system around, to the customer's detriment. If they don't adapt to changing technology, other services and pirates will.

    1. Re: Not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Told my kids we we're going to watch a Christmas special I loved as a kid. Told them we had to wait until Thursday at 6 pm because that is when it's on the local channel. They looked at me like, da fuq?

  13. Meanwhile, at AMC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Split-screen" advertisement, where a silent add takes up the top quarter of your TV screen for 15 seconds at a time, will play at the end of every scene shift. The first partner for the program is McDonals, and will be rolled out during the next season of The Walking Dead.

    1. Re:Meanwhile, at AMC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So stop watching AMC. Or has Darnold Tromp made you too stupid?

  14. Locals and HBO without CNN by tepples · · Score: 2

    Let me try to reconcile these comments: hambone142 probably remembers buying cable TV in the 1970s when it had only the locals, public access, and "subscription services such as HBO", before there were "cable, but not subscription, channels such as CNN". Are cable TV operators still allowed to require subscribers to buy a package of "cable, but not subscription, channels such as CNN" before allowing them to buy "subscription services such as HBO"?

    1. Re:Locals and HBO without CNN by wyattstorch516 · · Score: 0

      They are not allowed, they are required to do exactly that. The content producers dictate the terms under which their content is accessible.

    2. Re:Locals and HBO without CNN by tepples · · Score: 2

      Then hambone142 remembers when there were fewer or no content providers who chose to dictate such terms to cable operators.

    3. Re:Locals and HBO without CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me try to reconcile these comments: hambone142 probably remembers buying cable TV in the 1970s when it had only the locals, public access, and "subscription services such as HBO", before there were "cable, but not subscription, channels such as CNN". Are cable TV operators still allowed to require subscribers to buy a package of "cable, but not subscription, channels such as CNN" before allowing them to buy "subscription services such as HBO"?

      In my hometown: 4 locals (ads), 1 PBS (begging), 21 subscription channels (no ads or begging).

    4. Re:Locals and HBO without CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not allowed, they are required to do exactly that. The content producers dictate the terms under which their content is accessible.

      It's an interesting violation of the Bill of Rights. The right to have all advertising and offers be opt-in on an individual basis - with freedom to opt out at any time - can certainly be asserted as a right retained by the people (9th Amendment) and reserved to the people (10th Amendment). As such, contracts that require advertising to be embedded in content are in conflict with the Bill of Rights, and are superseded by it. As the legal profession is in a position of ethical conflict of interest with respect to the scope of contract law, any claims to the contrary by legal professionals are appropriately viewed as unethical practice of law - itself a violation of a fundamental right under the 9th and 10th Amendments.

      While the original Constitution provides exclusive use to creators of content for a limited time, that exclusive use can not involve a violation of fundamental rights.

      In short, the current system is an illegal system, intended to funnel money into the pockets of special interest groups at the expense of society. It's rent-seeking conduct - and harmful to the economy.

      Cable fees should only cover delivery of content - and given the nature of supply and demand, those fees would not be able to go up substantially if all advertising was removed. Instead, the industry would simply have to reduce the large numbers of middle-men and overhead it currently contains to reduce the cost of delivering content, as well as reducing the profits of the 1%. People wishing to opt-in to ads from specific providers could of course be allowed to do so for a reduction in price - but by the nature of things a large reduction in price wouldn't be possible.

  15. Much Too Late by Desprez · · Score: 1

    They're only about 10 years too late. They really need to slow down with this extremely reckless rate of change.

    1. Re:Much Too Late by StormReaver · · Score: 4, Informative

      They're only about 10 years too late.

      Yep. If they had done this 10 years ago, they might have had a fighting chance. As it is, their service got so bad that they overcame people's resistance to change and drove them to the experiment of dropping the service. Now, dropping service has gotten such a good reputation that the rate of doing so is increasing dramatically.

      If cord cutting hasn't reached critical mass yet, it is so close as to be nearly unavoidable.

    2. Re:Much Too Late by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Yep - it's like when Blockbuster announced they would back off on late fees, when they were already bleeding out from a self-inflicted mortal wound.

  16. Fewer ads isn't enough by SilverBlade2k · · Score: 1

    Fewer ads just isn't going far enough.

    It has to be fewer ad + true a la carte + lower prices + no rental fees for boxes + better customer service + no package requirements for anything, and I mean ANYTHING + access to the service through an app and not a decade out of date box.

    1. Re:Fewer ads isn't enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Fewer ads just isn't going far enough.
      Yes, how about "No ads at all" ?

    2. Re:Fewer ads isn't enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no rental fees for boxes
      When I cut the cord, I was told dropping TV would only save $5/month because I would lose the bundling discount. That was only the savings from the service fee. The equipment rental, taxes and fees added another $45. I offered to keep TV service if they would waive the equipment rental fees. I've been without TV ever since.

  17. A la carte isn't a panacea by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    Fewer ads is a good start, I'd argue for getting rid of cable boxes entirely and better customer service is always good.

    But a la carte wouldn't actually save you money, really. Not in most cases.

    Because they know roughly what the viewerships are. Get channels individually? They ramp up the prices per channel. You end up paying as much as you did for the buffet for just the channels you watch, can't watch something special/unusual on a station you don't normally get (what if your parents come over?), as well as an amount for the systems needed to be that specific.

    Most of the channels you get with the basic package are basically free for the cable company to offer because the channel is ad supported.

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    1. Re:A la carte isn't a panacea by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

      > But a la carte wouldn't actually save you money, really. Not in most cases.

      Yes, duplicating the entire 500-channel-universe costs more. But if you just want a few channels, it will cost less.

      > Most of the channels you get with the basic package are basically
      > free for the cable company to offer because the channel is ad supported.

      In the USA locals demand, and get, "retransmission payments". Not to mention ESPN +ESPNU+ESPN360 is rammed onto basic and costs the cableco a combined $9/month.

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    2. Re:A la carte isn't a panacea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they know roughly what the viewerships are. Get channels individually? They ramp up the prices per channel. You end up paying as much as you did for the buffet for just the channels you watch
      If they try to screw a la carte by charging too much per channel, I can stay with my current 0 channel package.

  18. Just cull the damn medical commercials by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 2

    If they would just cull the " Ask your Doctor if $stupidly_expensive_drug is right for you " ads, it would cut the total ad times by at least HALF.

    No one wants to see that sh*t. I personally make it a point to refuse any medication that constantly begs me to use it.

    1. Re:Just cull the damn medical commercials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask your doctor if cord-cutting is right for you.

    2. Re:Just cull the damn medical commercials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6 months later, the ads will be from the law firms telling you that if you took that expensive drug, you can sue them.

    3. Re:Just cull the damn medical commercials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love the warnings, especially "don't take wonder drug X if you are allergic to X".

    4. Re:Just cull the damn medical commercials by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

      If they would just cull the " Ask your Doctor if $stupidly_expensive_drug is right for you " ads, it would cut the total ad times by at least HALF.

      No one wants to see that sh*t. I personally make it a point to refuse any medication that constantly begs me to use it.

      You can thank the government for that. I had a friend in pharmaceutical sales who was once called in by his boss about his expense account. Seems there was a problem with the numbers; he wasn't spending enough on entertaining doctors. As long as it was legal he could spend money on keeping doctors happy as an entertainment expense. Drs liked cigars? Best cigar bar in town and the drinks and cigars were on him. Medical convention and his MD's wanted to go to a strip club? Lap dances and drinks on him. When the government ended dri\ug companies ability to freely market that way, the drug companies switched from getting doctors to write script to trying to get patients to ask for specific drugs.

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    5. Re:Just cull the damn medical commercials by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      "Common side effects include [30 things worse than what the drug is treating, which they also sell drugs to treat]" is my favorite. If they're common, you're sure to have at least one of them and, if they're worse than what you're treating, you're better off not taking the medication in the first place.

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    6. Re:Just cull the damn medical commercials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I personally make it a point to refuse any medication.

  19. Big Bang = Little Bang for the Buck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last time I watched The Big Bang Theory on broadcast television, it seemed as if there were more minutes of commercials and promos than actual content. I've often turned off a show when the fourth of several commercials in a row starts to air, or when I see the start of what I've learned is a two minute commercial (Have you seen the BowFlex commercial?).

    There once was a time when broadcasters tried hard to get you to watch a show. Now it's devolved into a game to see whether they can keep you from turning it off.

  20. This reminds me of AT&T by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    Back in the day when everyone had land lines, once upon a time you actually had to RENT a telephone from the phone company. So you paid for not only the line but the phone too. Just like the cable box. Then someone came up with the bright idea of selling you a phone instead of renting one every month. They tried to challenge it in court and lost.

    Cable industry is going the way of the Dodo bird. Technology is obsolete. Service stinks. Content for the most part sucks. They have lost me as a customer and I'm never going back.

    1. Re:This reminds me of AT&T by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 1
      The other week AT&T rolled out Fibre to my area.
      • + fiber
      • + gigabit
      • + in BOTH directions
      • + unlimited data
      • + LIST price for $10/month more than my current Comcast 250/25Mbps Cable with 1TB of data
      • + Bundling and autopay cancelled the difference to zero

      When I cancelled my Comcast, and told them exactly why, they actually had the balls to try and upsell me to Comcast Gigabit

      • + still only cable, not fiber
      • + not symmetrical
      • + not unlimited
      • + three times the price of AT&T Fiber

      Completely clueless, out of touch, uncompetitive services based on deprecated technologies really do need to die.

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  21. I didn't cut the cord just because of ads... by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    I cut the cord because:
    1. Service is too expensive. (I also enjoyed it when they keep raising the price for the cable box rentals because they claim it's too expensive to maintain their equipment.)
    2. Less interest in the programming (Gee, I cannot wait for the next heavily-scripted "reality" TV show.)
    3. Horrible customer service
    4. No longer willing to pay for everyone's ESPN (I don't watch it, so why am I paying for it?)
    5. I stopped going to see most movies because they suck, why would I want to pay to see it at home?
    6. When I wanted to watch something (usually late at night) most of the programming seems to be nothing more than infomercials.
    7. Too many damn commercials.
    8. The only broadcasts I watch regularly are the local AM news and I can get that for free. Besides, all I care about is the traffic and weather.

    I cut the cord years ago and have saved thousands of dollars.

  22. Too late for me by HiThere · · Score: 1

    I don't remember whether it was ads or show quality, but I quit TV decades ago, and now I have no desire to go back.

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    1. Re:Too late for me by misnohmer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The "too late" has a much more profound effect. For me it was the continually increasing monthly bill while on a "fixed price" plan. Once I cut the cord, I realized I can get more of what I want for less money simply with an HD antenna, a DVR, and content I purchase to stream over the internet. What Comcast didn't realize that once people cut the cord, they find better alternatives which make Comcast service worth less to those people. It's like, "I used to pay you $30/month. Comcast decided to raise by $0.50 to $1.50 per month. Once it reached $80 I cut the cord and realized I get all I want for less than $25/month (on top of internet, but I need internet anyways, different provider) and I get it commercial free. The only way I see myself again using cable TV with commercials is if it was completely free, since really it would just replace my HD antenna and give me a handful more channels that I might care to watch.

      Sorry Comcast, want to feed me ads, you gotta provide the content for free now that I know I can get it elsewhere commercial free for less money that I used to pay you.

  23. Meh by evil_aaronm · · Score: 1

    Too little, too late. I cut the cord almost 10 years ago. When we signed up for cable, the "basic" package started at a reasonable $35 per month. Then, before you know it, it's $60 a month, and I really couldn't tell you what that extra $25 was giving me, and damned if I needed to spend $720 a year on the dreck the TV people presented as "entertainment." Now, when I stay in hotels, I'll flip through the channels and quickly realize I'm still not missing anything. About the only channel I actually like is Cartoon Network. Sure, when the guys at work start talking about Silicon Valley, or GoT, I'm outside the loop. But I can live with that.

  24. Short term thinking by Excelcia · · Score: 1

    The problem is they got into the situation where no solution is a short-term win for the cable companies. The unfortunate truth is that top executives are all about the short term. Their pay packages are all about year over year growth, and winning back customer loyalty is going to cost in the short term. The executives, with this latest charade, are trying to minimize the year-over-year hit by slowly reducing commercial content. Fox is reducing commercial time to 2 minutes per hour, but not until 2020. Of course, they are announcing it today, though. They want the benefit of goodwill generated by reducing commercial time without actually taking the hit for doing it now. They are treating customers like they are stupid, and this isn't 1980 any more.

    Boards and shareholders should be stringing the cable execs up by their gonads, because they are the ones who are selling out the companies they work for. Everything they have done for the last 15 years has been to maximize short term profit at the expense of long term customer good will.

    If they want to dig themselves out they need to change, with immediate effect, all top executive compensation packages to either reflect profit gains over a five year period, or better yet, base them not on profit but on a formula that combines profit and subscriber numbers.

    1. Re:Short term thinking by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Boards and shareholders should be stringing the cable execs up by their gonads, because they are the ones who are selling out the companies they work for.

      Aren't boards and shareholders the ones demanding the aforementioned year-over-year growth from the CEO least he be fired and replaced with one that will deliver?

    2. Re:Short term thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that'S the theory.
      When your offer is hopelessly losing customers despite churning out money, it can look differently

  25. It's not the ads by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    I really don't mind the ads at all....it is the obnoxious high price for in the end not much content worthwhile to watch. I looked into cable cutting, I'd save a few bucks per month, but had to switch between OTA, Chromecast, and PC to change to the various channels juggling two remotes and a tablet. Sadly, there is not a single media center application out there that is affordable and does not need a masters in CS to get set up. Best so far was Windows Media Center....no idea why Microsoft dropped that from Windows.

  26. Not good enough. by generic_screenname · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'll come back when I can have a la carte subscriptions to quality content without ads.

  27. Double dipping... by clever_chaos · · Score: 1

    I remember when cable first came to our small town. We lived in the middle of no where, and we could get 2 TV stations with an outdoor antenna. So, when we were finally able to get 50+ stations for a small monthly fee, we were happy to take it, commercials and all. Back then we were paying for the delivery. These days we are paying for the content. So, I don't have to pay twice for television anymore. I will either get it for no cost and "pay" by having to watch commercials, or I will pay a cash fee and get it commercial free. Given the choice of both, I will take the commercial free option every time. That is why I pay the $11.99 commercial free option for Hulu. I'm will not allow content providers to double dip any longer.

  28. Fool me once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

    So now I will only be subjected to ear piercing commercials for only 2 minutes out of every hour instead of 30? Wow, where do I sign up. I am looking forward to hearing aids!

    1. Re: Fool me once... by stevenm86 · · Score: 1

      For once, we agree.

  29. Too little, too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This may have been a great move ten years ago, but it is too reactionary and too belated. You won't see me shed any tears for the cable industry.

  30. Cable companies changing? by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

    I think the cable companies are looking at the very possibility that Americans are switching to an "on demand" model of television viewing. And I think the biggest cable company of all, Comcast, realizes this. Their phased national rollout of DOCSIS 3.1 gigabit Internet service is eventually designed for things like on-demand viewing of ATSC 3.0 Ultra HD content, given that ATSC 3.0 includes a full specification for streaming video.

  31. 1970 something, the promise of cable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Southern Calif I vaguely remember the introduction of cable TV in the late 60's or 1970's.
    The big selling point was: Unlike broadcast TV: No commercials! Because they got their funding from subscriber's monthly fees.

  32. Ads are the smallest problem they have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cut the cord a year ago and I'm enjoying all of the shows I want to watch via Hulu and Netflix. So, yes, advertisements are a problem, a small problem. The real issue is that the programming from ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX is absolute intolerable garbage. In short, I cut the cord, I choose what I want to watch and when.
      I found that I watched the comedy channel South Park episodes over and over, that is when I had this epiphany. If the best thing to watch on TV is SouthPark, why keep cable.

    That is roughly $1400 I have saved over the past year.

  33. Ad Skipping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have kept our cable because our TiVo allows us to automatically jump the ads just like the sat service systems. It only takes 35-40 minutes to watch an hour show. 18-22 minutes for a "half hour" show. And we have a lot of content that is automatically recorded.

    The funny thing that we noticed is that for the old 60's era shows that are on the nostalgia channels, they run 50 minutes of content and 10 minutes of commercials per hour.

  34. Only an idiot... by JoeDuncan · · Score: 1

    ...would refuse to see the obvious solution: lower prices, no ads and "a la carte" channel by channel choices.

    BINGO! You may have your business back now!