Debian 9.4 Released (debian.org)

An anonymous reader quotes Debian.org: The Debian project is pleased to announce the fourth update of its stable distribution Debian 9 (codename "stretch"). This point release mainly adds corrections for security issues, along with a few adjustments for serious problems... Please note that the point release does not constitute a new version of Debian 9 but only updates some of the packages included. There is no need to throw away old "stretch" media. After installation, packages can be upgraded to the current versions using an up-to-date Debian mirror.
Phoronix adds that Debian 9.4 "has a new upstream Linux kernel release, various dependency fixes for some packages, an infinite loop fix in Glade, several CVE security fixes, a larger stack size for NTP, a new upstream release of their NVIDIA proprietary driver package, Python 3 dependency fixes, and other security fixes."

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if u care at all about this

[Anonymous Coward]

then you need to suck my DAMN balls

Re:if u care at all about this

[Anonymous Coward]

Why?

Re:if u care at all about this

[Anonymous Coward]

Cause he's not into tech. He's an SJW who's looking for "alt-rights", "nazis", and "hitler" to punch here, so that his tribe knows about his V!rTu3!

Re:if u care at all about this

[Anonymous Coward]

Sucking a man's balls can cause him to orgasm and give him pleasure.

Frist

[Anonymous Coward]

All four users must be incredibly excited!

Re:Frist

[Anonymous Coward]

By now, RHEL and its derivatives completely dominate the landscape.

Re:Frist

[Anonymous Coward]

Do people still use RHEL?
I haven't encountered anyone who uses it in years.

Re:Frist

[Anonymous Coward]

All four users must be incredibly excited!

Is it Still uSing SyStemD?
or did they finally come to their senses and threw that microsoft obfuscated poS out of there?

just set it up so the laserguided missiles find their way. AIM them LaserS

Re:Frist

[Hognoxious]

They do, they just don't know it.

Re:Frist

[Anonymous Coward]

Once a distro goes gnome/systemd they all become redhat derivatives, they just help out with packaging and bug management.

Re:Frist

[Anonymous Coward]

For our Linux servers, we are using RHEL when requiert for support and Centos elsewhere !

Debian stretches your ass

[Anonymous Coward]

The Goatse Distro.

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Still using running poetteringware?

[Anonymous Coward]

Not interested.

Re:Still using running poetteringware?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yep, and that is why I'm still at Jessie on my machines. When it stops getting security updates I'll upgrade to Devuan.

Re:Still using running poetteringware?

[Anonymous Coward]

In the past 15 years I never had issue with administrating services on a server side, configuring the network on server side etc... systemd has been created to solve these issues apparently but it make those worse.

- systemctl manages everything or just too much and manuals are AWFUL! the time spent on learning it is by FAR more than learning to write an init script which use already acquired knowledge (sh/bash scripting).
- previously I knew that eth0 was my first interface, eth1 the second etc..., Since systemd I have a random name per server/laptop. Yes I could use the boot option to disable it but it doesn't work well, on a laptop for instance, the WiFi interface still use the new scheme.

Then you can read it, it has been created to make the desktop boot faster except that:
- it is not the case even with a SSD, now in 2018 it is slower than with my with mechanical disk back in 2010 on Ubuntu vanilla.
- if you dont have network connectivity (previously configured), you might fall in an infinite loop because of no timeout.
- if GDM has issue you cannot reach any session, you might fall in an infinite loop because of no timeout.

Now on the freshly installed Debian 9.04, when rebooting or shutting down the computer, I have two services with a timeout of 2min which prevent the reboot/poweroff.

just wtf?! I am not telling that we didn't need something with state management, dependency management etc, but the way they made it simply sucks and desktop/workstation are no more reliable.

I hope it will get fixed soon because there is no way back.

Re:Still using running poetteringware?

[Anonymous Coward]

Ever heard of *BSD?

Re:Still using running poetteringware?

[Anonymous Coward]

You mean "downgrade to Devuan"?

Debian is such a rip off of Ubuntu

[Anonymous Coward]

It's like they're not even trying

Where'd the Linus users go?

[DogDude]

I'm not a Linux user, but I know that /. used to be full of enthusiastic Linux users. They're certainly not here, anymore. Where'd they go?

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

Reddit.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[nagora]

This is really the remains of Slashdot.

Re: Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

MacOS

Re: Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

Rolls eyes. Unfortunately... If LINUS himself... Is using a bloody MacBook... What hope is there for normal/plebians.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Kjella]

I'm not a Linux user, but I know that /. used to be full of enthusiastic Linux users. They're certainly not here, anymore. Where'd they go?

Not sure they went anywhere. Linux owns the server, the supercomputer, the cell phone, the set top box....pretty much everywhere but the desktop really. But the whole OSS revolution? The enthusiasm? Most people chose the "free" upgrade to Win10, just like they chose the "free" service from Facebook. And I'm sure a lot of people would like to comment on why they should have and why they didn't - but they didn't. I talk to some ordinary people and in their mind the world has gone cloud. Like, why would you *not* upload your photos to iCloud. Then you can re-download them if you lose your phone, duuuh. It's like you're a moron if you don't and a tin foil hat wearer if you question the security.

And realistically, I see the net is closing. Pretty much everything you do is electronically logged these days and nobody cares. All it takes is a certain amount of.... well, indifference unless you're a *real* threat to the government. That was the fault of the plan economy, trying to control too much. You can be rich and famous in China, you just can't be a threat to the one-party system. In the Western world you can be gay or a jew... until there's another Hitler in power. It's this illusion that we've become so evolved that even though we give the government all this information it'll never be abused. All I can say it's that it's true until it isn't. And then it's too late.

Re: Where'd the Linus users go?

[StormReaver]

Linus runs Linux on Mac hardware. He doesn't run OSX.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Shikaku]

I don't use Debian, I use Arch Linux. So there's no point in me commenting since it barely applies to me.

Re: Where'd the Linus users go?

[Type44Q]

It's the weekend; the quality goes down noticeably (I know; its hard to believe that's even possible).

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

Added to the point that if you used a bootleg activated Windows 7 and then upgraded it to 10 during the free period, it passed the verification check and you got a truly free copy of Windows 10.

For many though, I don't think they will really jump on the Linux train till it becomes less of a hassle to change over and relearn and the Hardware vendors make the drivers easier to deal with.

Most people aren't going to dump an OS they are already familiar with with games and drivers that "Just work" and move to another operating system that they have to relearn the inner workings of to do much of the stuff they used to do along with having drivers that aren't as refined and more work to get their games on only to have them work just as good at best or potentially worse. That trade-off just isn't worth it to many just to have an open source operating system instead of one they know and won't be replacing for a decade that is supported with stuff that is easier to use.

I have toyed around with Linux a little and still go back to Windows 10 just because of the fact the stuff works and I won't have to be dealing with children having to play 20 questions getting their stuff to work. I do like Linux overall but the hassle just isn't worth it as I don't feel like investing that much time relearning stuff.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[DogDude]

Out of curiosity, I checked Reddit/Linux. This same topic only had about twice as many comments. I guess that Linux as a desktop OS is really not popular anymore. I'm squarely a Microsoft ecosystem user due to my line of work, but I've always appreciated the Linux people for the work they did. It's a shame if they go the way of everything else that's not Amazon/Facebook/Google/Apple these days.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

Systemd fractured the community and a lot of people lost their enthusiasm due to the whole debacle.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[twistedcubic]

Actually, Linux users are too busy getting work done to post on Slashdot or Reddit. Also, most of us have hot dates on Saturday nights.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm not a Linux user, but I know that /. used to be full of enthusiastic Linux users. They're certainly not here, anymore. Where'd they go?

The SJW-tards ran them off.

Re: Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

On Saturday nights we tend to give our right hand a break and play âthe strangerâ(TM) with our left hand instead

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[slack_justyb]

Linux user here. I pretty much have learned to stay away from public spaces on the Internet about Linux at this point. The whole "f*** systemd" crap has me pretty much not really wanting to interact with anyone else online about Linux in general. I still like mailing lists for different projects and what-not, but yeah, the zealotry, the tribalism, the sheer "my way is better" mentality has me just swearing off all other Linux users on public forums. So it's a quick chit-chat on IRC about the new Debian release, maybe look at it on Slashdot or Reddit and then I move on. Every so often I'll make a stink on here about Linux and then I post it and hate myself for having even stirred a pot.

I have no idea if it's just me or if everyone is so tired of saying anything about Linux only to have the anti-systemd/anti-Wayland/anti-GNOME3 folks come out. But yeah, at this point you just can't enjoy a Linux distro in public. Everyone is like, "yeah they were good in 2012 till they moved from XYZ to ABC, it was all downhill after that." I just don't talk about it anymore because I'm just tired of everything in Linux being wrong and that everyone is straying from the "TRUE LINUX". But yeah, no matter what good news there is to Linux, it's only a matter of time before someone brings up some project that they don't agree with and it just turns into a flamewar. Again, that might just be me and I'm only that way on places where anyone and their dog can sign up, I'm still very active on private IRC channels and mailing lists that I regularly comment on.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

Most of us jumped ship with Gnome 3's focus on the tablet and Ubuntu's switch to Unity.

If you don't give the people what they want, don't be surprised if they fuck right off.

Re: Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

I knew he was not running osx, so I naturally assumed he was running windows.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

They grew up and either joined the rest of the world willingly, they were forced to or they were marginalized to the point they shut themselves out of society.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Sesostris III]

Linux user here. I think the reason for lack of noise is because "it works". Rather like PCs or Smart Phones, for a lot of people, you upgrade when you need to, not when the latest version comes out.

I use Ubuntu 16.04 LTS as the main OS on my home PC (itself quite old). Both work. Both are adequate for what I use it for (I'm not a gamer). I've also used LibreOffice (and its predecessors) since it was StarOffice. Again, it works. Similarly for other tools in the Linux ecosystem. If I should need to use anything in the Windows ecosystem (there are still soem sites that insist on IE), then I've got a Windows 10 installation in VirtualBox to go to.

At work, although my work laptop is a windows machine, all the servers are Linux instances, so I use Linux there as well.

So I'm a committed Linux user, but if I don't seem enthusiastic, that's because, for me, it's normal.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

Techie males were driven away by pro-female Codes of Conduct and SystemD.

The consensus was successfully cracked, and the birds scattered to the wind.

Linux, as a force, is completely dead.
You poison the blood you kill the body.

Successful operation.
Techi men are not socially smart (thus were not able to keep hold of their property).
But they won't code for enemies for free.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

>Everyone is like, "yeah they were good in 2012 till they moved from XYZ to ABC, it was all downhill after that."

Everyone is correct.
You're a grass-eating consumer though so you're happy with whatever you're fed.
Anti-marry-child-bride faggot.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

and yet...

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[lordlod]

They are here.

This is news, but it isn't terribly exciting. It is like a service pack 4 release for Windows users.

Nothing big, a few fixes, a few minor upgrades to keep things from getting stale. Next week sysadmins will start planning the upgrade process which will probably go so simply and smoothly that nobody will really notice.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

I guess that Linux as a desktop OS is really not popular anymore.

It never was. Debian is however a very popular distribution on servers.
A lot web browsing is also done using Android.

While everyone was talking about the desktop Linux found its way into everything else.

The android thing is a bit interesting since most of the user probably doesn't know that it runs on Linux and while they post about what they like and dislike on forums it is unlikely that Linux will be mentioned.
Rather it will be discussions about specific Android distributions and brand customizations.

Re: Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

You make a good point. I switched to Ubuntu a couple of years ago. I don't miss Windows. I do miss being able to easily fix the nvidia driver.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

1. Desktop OS is slipping away from the mainstream. Only people who need to do real work are going to have it/be concerned with it. I know at least one family that has no desktops or laptops, their iPhones are enough.

2. Slashdot has been on a downward trend for a while. This is not the hot site for tech news and discussions it was in the 90's or 00's.

3. Since Linux is free, it's not really tracked. No way to know who is really using it or how popular it really is.

Re: Where'd the Linus users go?

[Zontar The Mindless]

I switched to Ubuntu a couple of years ago. I don't miss Windows. I do miss being able to easily fix the nvidia driver.

I just add the Nvidia repo, and I'm good to go. OpenSUSE.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Peaceful_Patriot]

I still use Linux as my daily desktop OS. We both have matured and have moved on from fighting the big fights with MS, drivers, multimedia codecs and kernel panics. Linux has won all those battles. The world is running on Linux whether people know it or not. Currently, I'm on Mint Debian but there are a million flavors of Deb and it lives on as the base of half the distros out there. Apt get released me from dependency hell in '99 and it still the rocks the package manager world.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[justin3928]

Not so sure about the "it works". Installed Debian 9 on a machine, tried logging into an xvnc session. I am unable to login to both the console and the xvnc session - basic multi-user multi-head X-server stuff. Before session-manager/gnome/systemd/whatever-the-cause, that would just work. You could login twice (three times). Even if I were to figure out why it doesn't work, and figure out the correct forum, and find the correct set of developers, the response will be "Why would you want to login twice?". If it's some interaction between xvnc / session-manager / dbus / systemd / whatever - good luck getting somebody to fix it.

I tried running gthumb through an ssh session, but it seems to require OpenGL (or some kind of acceleration). "Of course you need accelerated graphics to run a photo application!"

BTW, xvnc does not do any graphics acceleration.

It seems that major components of "Linux" (or, should I say debian / ubuntu / redhat / suse) have changed from "cooperating targeted utilities" to "single-solution all-encompassing kitchen sinks": Gnome (gui, config, window manager, events, panels), Systemd (monolithic system controller).

For the projects that are becoming monoliths, the danger is that the system becomes a de-facto interface and implementation instead of the typical unix-way of having "commodity solutions" - perl and python have no problem co-existing.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[sad_]

a new distro release used to be exciting, these days it's not. and this is a minor release update, so even less exciting.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[gosand]

I'm not a Linux user, but I know that /. used to be full of enthusiastic Linux users. They're certainly not here, anymore. Where'd they go?

Still here, for the most part. Still using Linux (Windows-free since 1999). Still enthusiastic about it. Still don't preach about it.

Honestly, there isn't much to talk about when it comes to Linux. The whole systemd thing is kind of sad, I just wish we had REAL choice around that matter. There are choices, sure. But it's an either/or when it comes to distros now instead of it being a choice within my distro. It's not like the choice of desktop/browser/editor/etc., where you can pretty much install what you like on top of your distro of choice.

Linux really has come a very long way since I started using it. I can upgrade with little fear (there will always be some), bootable distros, new desktop environments (although I am sticking with XFCE because it fits my needs perfectly), great hardware and driver support, explosion in the server/cloud areas, Docker, great new distros and most of the old-guard ones still kicking. Lots of adoption in the real world, which means there are jobs out there where you need to know Linux (not just sysadmins).

I think it's just that we are out of the dating-phase and we are firmly in the long-term-relationship phase.

Now why aren't the Linux users HERE on Slashdot is another topic entirely. I took several years away, and am back to some degree. But things ain't what they used to be, that's for sure.

Re:Where'd the Linus users go?

[Anonymous Coward]

They are looking for a news for nerds place that doesn't have topics like "Kansas 'Swat' Perpetrator Is Now Also Wanted in Florida".

make that five !

[Anonymous Coward]

I thought there were a lot of updates today !
42 updates in synaptic.

Running MX-linux 17, wonderful distro, fast, xfce, great no attitude forum, up to date applications ported by the packaging team.

Anyone?

[Anonymous Coward]

Who.
Gives.
A.
Fuck.

Re: Anyone?

[Anonymous Coward]

.=?

debian is dead

[Anonymous Coward]

Look what systemd and poettering has done.

The sjws ruined linux. Literally Ruined It.

But no, this comment will get modded down as a troll or just ignored.

Re:debian is dead

[pseudofrog]

A post blaming systemd on "SJWs" is now +2 Insightful. Debian is doing just fine. Slashdot's commentors and moderators? Not so much.

Re:debian is dead

[thegarbz]

Look what systemd and poettering has done.

I know right! Debian hasn't seen a release in... Oh wait development and cadence hasn't changed. Well you should see their market sh... No that hasn't changed either. But man all those other distros that dropped... What? There's more distros based on Debian more than before?

Nothing. Is that what you're going for? Because nothing seems to have changed.

Re:debian is dead

[Sesostris III]

According to DistroWatch, Debian in #3 in page it rankings for the past 6 months. #4 is Ubuntu, based on Debian, and #1 is Mint, based on Debian and Ubuntu.

Dead? I think not.

Incidentally, #2 is Manjaro, based on Arch. Arch I believe also uses systemd, so I assume Manjaro does as well. The point being it's not just Debian using systemd (whatever you think of it).

Re:debian is dead

[serviscope_minor]

Look what systemd and poettering has done. The sjws ruined linux. Literally Ruined It.

My god! SJWs gave us systemd? Is there nothing, nothing I say, they won't stoop to?

Re:debian is dead

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes: lennart poettering is an SJW:

He supports women's rights and empowerment.
He opposes men taking young girls as brides.

Read his blog.

Re:debian is dead

[serviscope_minor]

He supports women's rights and empowerment. He opposes men taking young girls as brides. Read his blog.

Huh, well I guess a stopped clock can be right twice a day. Still doens't excuse systemd or the wretched piece of garbage known as pulseaudio.

lol SJWs

[Anonymous Coward]

Is "SJWs ruined it" the new "think of the children" alarmist reaction?

all good news

[Anonymous Coward]

Good stable Debian. Too bad any news other than a major release is dull when it comes to Debian.

Also these spam posts are sorta funny.

Re:all good news

[Anonymous Coward]

old != stable

I get up to date software on a stable platform elsewhere, why would I waste time with debian and its bastard inbred children?

numbnuts

Works flawlessly on Windows 10

[Billly Gates]

I just installed Debian from the appstore which was listed as 9.3. Did the update with no problems

New kernel release?

[Anonymous Coward]

So is debian up to 3.2 yet? Or is it still on 2.6.x?

Debian: crusty code for crusty folks.

Use a modern distro instead.

numbnuts

Re:New kernel release?

[Anonymous Coward]

So is debian up to 3.2 yet? Or is it still on 2.6.x?

# cat /etc/debian_version
9.4
# uname -a
Linux apu 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u5 (2017-09-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
#

FUCK SYSTEMD

[Anonymous Coward]

fuck systemd.

It's not debian that's dead..

[Anonymous Coward]

The writing was on the wall when they kicked out Ted Walther at the behest of Debian Women.

The writing was on the wall for WHITE BOIS in opensource HHAHAHAHHA
YOU LOST CONTROL OF ALL YOUR PROJECTS THAT -___YOU___- STARTED
AHHAhahhhahahHAHHAHa

Debian Shows what white males are worth.

[Anonymous Coward]

The writing was on the wall when they kicked out Ted Walther at the behest of Debian Women...

The writing was on the wall for WHITE BOIS in opensource HHAHAHAHHA
YOU LOST CONTROL OF ALL YOUR PROJECTS THAT -___YOU___- STARTED
AHHAhahhhahahHAHHAHa

How does it feel, white bois, to have that thang that you worked so hard to make be tooken from you mutha fuckin mouf.

Heh. You fuckin fags.
Women rule over you.
Ha Ha!

Tupac woulda neva happened to him.

Ha Ha, Bitches take over yo whole society with codes of conduct and shit ha ha!
Remeber when "hot bitches" package was removed from debian, Hah, fools that was an inflection point; but yall couldn't see it. Cuz u dumb.

No social cohesion or social knowlege in that so-called brain of yo's white BOI.
You might aswell be wimmins: you do what you told fags. White women is more man than you, Ha Ha!

Re:Where'd the Linus users go? - Old guard thrown

[Anonymous Coward]

The foot-soldiers of the "OSS revolution" were literately thrown out of their own projects by white women. That is why it is DEAD.

Only the figureheads remain of the old guard.

Re:Where'd the Linus[sic] users go?

[BrokenHalo]

Indeed.

I have been down the track of being frustrated with systemd and pulseaudio, and have somehow managed to get over it as my requirements changed.

I used to go a lot more coding than I do now, and for many years (since about 1995) I was pretty much a committed slackware user, since the distro never got in my way, and everything "just works".

I appreciated Arch for much the same reason at first, since in its early incarnations there used to be a lot of similarities with Slack, but with a more "modern" package manager. As time passed, though, I came to feel that the team behind Arch became less focused on stability and more on chasing concepts of "elegance", that (while valid) just got in my way.

Now that my primary computer is an android tablet, I don't much care about distro wars, I just run Mint on my desktop/laptop machines, and don't give it any more thought.

Devuan is true Debian

[walterbyrd]

Devuan is Debian without selling out to that systemd crap.

Devuan is Debian should be.

At least take a look at it, you might be surprised.

https://devuan.org/

Feb 28, 2018
Quick Look at Devuan Linux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF_fEtiJkzU

Re:Devuan is true Debian

[Billly Gates]

Devuan is Debian without selling out to that systemd crap.

Devuan is Debian should be.

At least take a look at it, you might be surprised.

https://devuan.org/

Feb 28, 2018
Quick Look at Devuan Linux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

FreeBSD tends to be more supported and updated. The default ports, documentation, and Clang by default is pretty cool. Only downside is it's a PITA to configure for a desktop and Java is experimental. But it is great for a server with ZFS, dtrace, and jails.

Re:Devuan is true Debian

[Anonymous Coward]

Does Devuan manage to renew their SSL certificates these days? This was a hard challenge for the VUAs behind Devuan for several years and sometimes the active SSL certificate was expired for several months. I wouldn't trust them with my computing needs.

Yes but does it run systemd

[Anonymous Coward]

Cunt run much decent linux software these days without it

contrib non-free : how many user really enable it

[Anonymous Coward]

I said that because maybe we should stop this hypocrisy of the "full opensource".

I have just installed Debian 9.0.4 on an old* dell workstation (core i5 2nd gen, AMD HD3450) and I have been greeted with a screen resolution limited to 1280x720 on my 24" 1080p monitor. :/

At least, they could suggest it from the installer.

* 8 years old. damn, time flies