JavaScript Rules But Microsoft Programming Languages Are On the Rise (zdnet.com)

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JavaScript Rules But Microsoft Programming Languages Are On the Rise (zdnet.com)

Posted by msmash on Monday March 12, 2018 @07:30AM from the new-taste dept.

Microsoft languages seem to be hitting the right note with coders across ops, data science, and app development. From a report: JavaScript remains the most popular programming language, but two offerings from Microsoft are steadily gaining, according to developer-focused analyst firm RedMonk's first quarter 2018 ranking. RedMonk's rankings are based on pull requests in GitHub, as well as an approximate count of how many times a language is tagged on developer knowledge-sharing site Stack Overflow. Based on these figures, RedMonk analyst Stephen O'Grady reckons JavaScript is the most popular language today as it was last year. In fact, nothing has changed in RedMonk's top 10 list with the exception of Apple's Swift rising to join its predecessor, Objective C, in 10th place. The top 10 programming languages in descending order are JavaScript, Java, Python, C#, C++, CSS, Ruby, and C, with Swift and Objective-C in tenth.

TIOBE's top programming language index for March consists of many of the same top 10 languages though in a different order, with Java in top spot, followed by C, C++, Python, C#, Visual Basic .NET, PHP, JavaScript, Ruby, and SQL. These and other popularity rankings are meant to help developers see which skills they should be developing. Outside the RedMonk top 10, O'Grady highlights a few notable changes, including an apparent flattening-out in the rapid ascent of Google's back-end system language, Go.

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typescript? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 07:34 · Score: 1

What about typescript? It's javascript, it's microsoft, #overload
1. Re:typescript? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 11:49 · Score: 0
  
  read the f**ken article, d*mb *ss!
F1r5t P05t! by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 07:36 · Score: 0

What a clickbait! TFS doesn't tell me what the two languages are.
1. Re:F1r5t P05t! by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 07:44 · Score: 1
  
  typeScript and PowerShell
JavaScript Rules by Hognoxious · 2018-03-12 07:38 · Score: 1, Troll

"JavaScript Rules". Who submitted this, Beavis & Butthead?
Heh heh. Ada sucks. Huh huh.

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1. Re:JavaScript Rules by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 08:01 · Score: 0
  
  The comment above is actually valid. Javascript is not a language to be compared to C, C++, C#, Java, etc. It's like comparing a Ford Focus to a Ferrari: their apparent similarities can be misleading as they serve very different purposes, despite the fact that the both can be driven on the same roads by drivers with average driving skills.
2. Re:JavaScript Rules by superwiz · 2018-03-12 09:47 · Score: 2
  
  Heh heh. Ada sucks. Huh huh.
  A gentleman doesn't kiss and tell.
  
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I see exactly 1 MS but 2 Apple languages by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 07:39 · Score: 0

I see exactly 1 MS but 2 Apple languages on that list. Looks like Apple's "on the rise" to me.
1. Re:I see exactly 1 MS but 2 Apple languages by mcl630 · 2018-03-12 10:39 · Score: 1
  
  The two MS languages that rose, Typescript and PowerShell, aren't mentioned in the summary. They both moved up the list, but aren't in the top 10.
Using Stack Overflow is stupid by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 07:40 · Score: 5, Insightful

So the most fucked up and confusing languages will generate the most questions and get labeled as the most popular?
1. Re:Using Stack Overflow is stupid by DavidHumus · 2018-03-12 07:44 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Or the language with the most newbies.
2. Re:Using Stack Overflow is stupid by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 08:22 · Score: 1
  
  It's the only way Microsoft languages can show higher on a list. And they they pay someone to write about the list so it sounds new and informative even when the list is the same as it was the year before and possibly the year before that. Usually adding wording about Microsoft x, y or z picking up share get sprinkled around too.
  Marketing, marketing marketing or was that Developers, developers, developers during a marketing conference.
3. Re:Using Stack Overflow is stupid by DCFusor · 2018-03-12 08:26 · Score: 1
  
  Oh, for mod points...^^^^
  
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4. Re:Using Stack Overflow is stupid by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 12:25 · Score: 0
  
  This idiot has never used C# - it's not that complicated and actually quite nice to work with.
5. Re:Using Stack Overflow is stupid by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 20:52 · Score: 0
  
  Look, it is a bad method, but at least it was described in the summary.
  The headline was however pure clickbait and whoever wrote it should feel ashamed.
  I guess this kind of research have to be bad. If the result is well backed up and not surprising there will be no outrage and discussion.
  No-one cares about "Here are some obvious thing that you already knew."
6. Re:Using Stack Overflow is stupid by holophrastic · 2018-03-13 04:13 · Score: 1
  
  Beat me to it.
  How about a study ranking the languages that seem to be the most reliable -- as in they've been used for decades, continue to be used, run systems un-upgraded for decades, and need little-to-no new help from random strangers?
  In my career, I've been using Perl since 1997, when I abandoned lotus notes. I've still got production code from back then -- it's funny to see some of my really old comments from half-a-life ago.
  I'll say this for perl: like it or hate it, the documentation is everywhere and is incredibly complete -- that's no surprise after so many decades.
Real websites don't use Javascript by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 07:40 · Score: 0

If it requires a script, it's shit.
1. Re:Real websites don't use Javascript by exomondo · 2018-03-12 11:34 · Score: 1
  
  Not everything on the WWW is a website, if it requires Javascript it's often a webapp or dynamic content presentation. Static content generally doesn't need javascript. There are plenty of web applications out there, Google Docs for instance or Apple's iCloud suite, most webmail.
BS by xxxJonBoyxxx · 2018-03-12 07:44 · Score: 4, Interesting

As a guy who has spent most of his time in Microsoft dev environments, I can tell you the momentum is going in exactly the opposite direction: "how can we dump Microsoft/Oracle/IBM and how fast can we do it" is the current direction of the smart enterprise.
1. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 07:51 · Score: 1
  
  Thank god,
  I hate Oracle and Microsoft products. Oracle is expensive af and doesn't offer much that other databases can't offer. Don't even get me started on that POS APEX
  Is it just me or is it hard to find negative opinions or well written reviews of why Oracle products are bad? Does Oracle send out the gestapo when someone has a dissenting opinion of them that isn't a random comment?
2. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 07:53 · Score: 0
  
  Dev environment vs language. You can develop C# on something other than VS/Windows you know?
3. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 07:54 · Score: 0
  
  Says a Linux zealot Masquerading as a Microsoft Friend :)
4. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 07:58 · Score: 0
  
  Doesn't matter. If you don't know most of these languages already few places will hire you. You should learn them even the Microsoft stuff. The ideological face you're displaying is not pretty and good luck getting hired with that attitude. While you're protesting I'll just hire cheaper coders elsewhere.
5. Re:BS by fred6666 · 2018-03-12 08:04 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Of course. Just like you can use Swift for something else than developing for Apple products.
  Yet, they are not used outside mother's basements.
  Could you name one major piece of software written in C# not specifically made to be executed on Windows? Without a visual studio project file in the source repository?
6. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 08:17 · Score: 0
  
  As someone working in a current IBM shop I can say yes we are looking to dump IBM, but everyone wants to go to MS for dev tools and languages. Anything to escape from Java and IBM.
7. Re:BS by xxxJonBoyxxx · 2018-03-12 08:17 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Yes, and I've tried it. However, outside of non-trivial applications (and perhaps internal business apps developed with Xamarin), cross-platform support for C#-based apps is pretty poor.
8. Re:BS by cheesybagel · 2018-03-12 08:25 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  There's nothing wrong with Java in a business environment and elsewhere. The issue is with the way people THINK Java should be programmed, with design patterns, and Hungarian notation. The language itself and the runtime has its warts but it ain't actually THAT bad.
  Now for high performance computing I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Floating point performance in Java sucks and the mandatory garbage collection is another issue. Then again most of the proposed Java replacement have the exact same issues. Go also has a GC for example. Python is great, to write prototypes, but it has even worse performance than Java.
9. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 08:30 · Score: 1
  
  True at my work! Currently re-writing the universe using C++ on Linux. Legacy stuff is C# on Windows. No one so much as reminisces about any "good old days". All devs are happier now.
10. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 08:43 · Score: 0
  
  by using oracle you signed away the right to publish benchmarks. if you cannot use measurements, it is borderline impossible to make a technical review...
11. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 08:48 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  A lot of Unity games use C# and it uses mono to do it. I mean, you could also use it with Visual Studio and in that case you will get a solution and project file, but you don't have to. Unity3D games run on IOS, HTML5, linux and MacOS.
12. Re:BS by Greyfox · 2018-03-12 08:54 · Score: 1
  
  There's definitely some of that going on as developers try to pad their resumes with the likes of go and rust. At least the ruby fad seems to be dying down a bit. I still get way too many recruiters approaching me about ruby positions, and I really don't think I can maintain another production project in that language.
  
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13. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 09:03 · Score: 0
  
  But why would you? Heck, why would you even use it on Windows?
14. Re:BS by Kjella · 2018-03-12 09:03 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  As a guy who has spent most of his time in Microsoft dev environments, I can tell you the momentum is going in exactly the opposite direction: "how can we dump Microsoft/Oracle/IBM and how fast can we do it" is the current direction of the smart enterprise.
  Every enterprise customer thinks what they have is terrible but usually end up switching to a different enterprise vendor and discover that it's equally terrible. Then they try home brew and discover that people develop in ten different languages with a hundred different frameworks and technologies and that Ruby on Rails, Python, PHP, Node.JS and ASP.Net don't mix well and start running consolidation and standardization projects and if you're really unlucky they call in SAP or some other big ERP to gut the whole mess. We still have a solution written in VB6, whatever you pick now expect you'll be stuck with it 10-20 years from now long after the fad is over and it's legacy technology you want to kill with fire.
  
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15. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 09:32 · Score: 0
  
  Please explain why you dislike C# as a language. I get that you reflexively hate on MS, and perhaps you dislike .NET. But what specifically is wrong with C#? I bet you don't even write code for a living...
16. Re:BS by DogDude · 2018-03-12 09:42 · Score: 0
  
  Microsoft offers the best in class in many cases. Especially among small businesses, their stuff is very affordable, too.
  
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17. Re:BS by angel'o'sphere · 2018-03-12 09:44 · Score: 2
  
  If you have a program handling big amounts of data, in a kind of random fashion, then GC is completely irrelevant.
  Malloc and free, or new/delete have the same overhead. And then again you still see people do stuff like:
  if (ptr != NULL) { delete ptr; ptr = NULL; }
  And then come and claim a GC is slower ...
  Sorry, from 100 C++ programmers there is probably 1 who can write a program that beats Java's garbage collector.
  I rather have 100 Java programmers where 99 don't need to care about memory, and 1 who takes care for the hard cases.
  
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18. Re:BS by Tablizer · 2018-03-12 09:46 · Score: 1
  
  As a guy who has spent most of his time in Microsoft dev environments, I can tell you the momentum is going in exactly the opposite direction: "how can we dump Microsoft/Oracle/IBM and how fast can we do it" is the current direction of the smart enterprise. [Emphasis added]
  That may indeed be true IF you consider that most enterprises are NOT smart.
  The enterprise world is a Dilbertian distopia.
  
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19. Re:BS by Prien715 · 2018-03-12 09:53 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Here's a couple hundred. ...and that's just games based on the Unity game engine. One game, Hearthstone, has over 10 million players and its client runs on iOS/Android/Windows/macOS.
  
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20. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 10:45 · Score: 0
  
  AMEN! We are DUMPING IBM stuff as fast as we can - lock ,stock and barrel. We are down to just a few AIX servers (being replaced with RHEL, Websphere, being replaced with Wildfly, WebSeal, TDS, RTix all going, going, GONE!
21. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 10:59 · Score: 0
  
  And as another random guy I can tell you Typescript is very popular and getting more so. C# has definitely been getting an uplift from .Net Core not to mention the exploding popularity of Visual Studio code. I don't know R or use Powershell so I can't speak to that but since were upvoting this random and un-sourced opinion I'm presenting another.
22. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 11:03 · Score: 0
  
  Unity is garbage .... and ask anybody with knowledge of the real world: Using Mono on anything is a self inflicted legal nightmare waiting to happen.
23. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 11:04 · Score: 0
  
  Apparently you haven’t heard of Mono, monodevelop or Xamarin
24. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 11:56 · Score: 0
  
  Hungarian notation in Java??? wth are you from?
25. Re:BS by fred6666 · 2018-03-12 14:11 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Nice try, but
  
  The Unity runtime is written in C/C++. This runtime is used in any build you create using the editor - for webplayers and plugins it is installed separate from your build, whereas it is included in it for stand-alones and other platforms such as iPhone and Wii.
  The editor is built on the Unity runtime and additionally includes editor-specific C/C++ binaries.
  Wrapped around the Unity core is a layer which allows for .net access to core functionality. This layer is used for user scripting and for most of the editor UI.
  So most of the important code is C/C++.
  And nothing tells me that API it isn't being developed on Windows using Visual Studio.
  The main platform of these games is probably Windows, even though their very first game was developped for Mac OS X.
26. Re:BS by fred6666 · 2018-03-12 14:16 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  I do.
  But there is no killer application on Linux requiring mono. Hence, most people don't even bother installing it.
  Unlike say, perl and python, which are must-have.
  Is there a popular desktop environment, web browser, or even text editor for Linux written in C#? I understand some kid probably wrote a text editor for fun, but I meant something actually used?
27. Re:BS by geoskd · 2018-03-12 14:41 · Score: 1
  
  Sorry, from 100 C++ programmers there is probably 1 who can write a program that beats Java's garbage collector.
  There are 5 of us in my office, and three of us can run rings around the java GC. The simple reason is that good programmers understand how not to mess up caching. Bad programmers use Java and or C#.
  
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28. Re:BS by geoskd · 2018-03-12 14:46 · Score: 1
  
  if (ptr != NULL) { delete ptr; ptr = NULL; } And then come and claim a GC is slower ...
  Its not the code that you execute to free memory alone, its when you choose to do so...
  Generic GC hasn't the foggiest idea when is a good time to reap, its just does it whenever the hell it feels like it. With real languages, I control when memory is reaped.
  If you are writing performance code in C++ and you don't know what a custom allocator looks like, you're hopelessly out of your depth, consult a professional.
  
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29. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 16:37 · Score: 0
  
  I can tell you the momentum is going in exactly the opposite direction: "how can we dump Microsoft/Oracle/IBM and how fast can we do it" is the current direction of the smart enterprise.
  I'm not sure that I would call that smart. In fact, it's probably quite dumb. Some programmers in their vanity believe that they are the best there ever was and could easily reproduce by hand in a long weekend everything good that went into massive frameworks, like .NET or Java. The truth is generally somewhat less flattering. You don't have time to reinvent modern computing in your own flavor of C for your ultimate project of the century. You will be bankrupt in under a year and with nothing to show for it. That's a lesson for you newer programmers out there. Don't make that mistake. Lots of failed startups thought that they had to start right away with esoteric or complex tools so that they could "scale" rapidly when their unicorn project took off, except that most of them never did which is why you've never heard of them. Make sure that you actually have the problem that you're trying to solve before you spend time trying to solve it. That's another lesson for you. You may think that you're too good for .NET, but your competitors will not hesitate to take advantage of your weakness and beat you to market with a solution that's 80% good enough while you're still hand optimizing your assembly.
30. Re:BS by rtb61 · 2018-03-12 16:50 · Score: 2
  
  Still just a pretty lame M$ pump piece, how to tell it's a pump piece, the hid what they did not want you to see. Sure they sure they set the order of the most used programs but where is the numbers behind it, you know like percentages. Look if number one is getting say 50% and number 14 is getting 0.5% who cares, what the hell number fourteen is doing when it beats out number 15 who got 0.49 percent. Only one reason to hide the numbers that really counted and only show the B$ meaningless numbers, the real numbers look like shite ie M$ could be doing far worse with real numbers but the others at the bottom are just doing worse than that. Stupidest most meaningless article I have seen it a while, why were the market share numbers missing, they are the only ones that count.
  
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31. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 17:33 · Score: 0
  
  Of course. Just like you can use Swift for something else than developing for Apple products.
  Yet, they are not used outside mother's basements.
  Could you name one major piece of software written in C# not specifically made to be executed on Windows? Without a visual studio project file in the source repository?
  cnc.wikia.com/wiki/OpenRA
32. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 20:17 · Score: 0
  
  > "how can we dump Microsoft/Oracle/IBM and how fast can we do it" is the current direction of the smart enterprise.
  I hear it's the current direction of only true Scotsmen too.
33. Re: BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 22:01 · Score: 0
  
  Except Microsoft stuff isn't that affordable for SMBs.
34. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 23:43 · Score: 1
  
  Ladies and Gentlemen, the "no true scotsman" in fine form.
35. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-13 01:20 · Score: 0
  
  Well, as a Unity game developer, I can give a bit more details. My games are most popular on iOS and Android so that's what we're targeting first.
  I have great respect for the people developing the Unity Game Engine and as you spread your ignorance publicly trying to convince others of incorrect assumptions, I felt I owed it to Unity to try to position their game engine in a more flattering light:
  
  So most of the important code is C/C++.
  Your comment about the important code being in C/C++ would equally apply to the .NET runtime (CLR), which is also coded in C/C++, or the Java VM, coded in C, or the most popular Python interpreter (CPython), also coded in C. For many (most?) languages, the core is still C or C++ because its very close to the machine. One interesting exception is Golang, which is also coded in Go now. But they had to start with a C compiler which they converted to Go piece by piece over time.
  If your argument made any sense, you'd have to say that all important code is made in C/C++. What about the OS? Your software probably depends on that and your measly 200K loc doesn't compare very favorably to the millions of lines of C code required to develop Linux/Windows/OSX.
  The game engine offers commodity services. The game is on top and I can tell you that it's indeed made with C# (there is also something else called UnityScript that was targetting game designers, not developers, but it's seldom used nowaday).
  
  And nothing tells me that API it isn't being developed on Windows using Visual Studio.
  That would have been easy to check on Unity Website. By default, you can use MonoDevelop to develop on OSX, Linux or Windows. I know a lot of mobile game developers using MonoDevelop on OSX. Many developers on Windows machines switch to Visual Studio because it's a very good tool, but it's an extra step.
  
  The main platform of these games is probably Windows, even though their very first game was developped for Mac OS X.
  This has more to do with where indie games make money these days. Casual games? Goto Google Play and Apple App Store. Premium games for core gamers? Goto Steam. Steam has an increasing portion of Linux and OSX users. So a lot of Steam developers using the Unity Game Engine can target all these platforms with very little effort.
  All of that with C# running on top of a custom version of the Mono runtime.
  Part of their success over other game engines is partly because they chose C#. Like Java, C# is easier to use and learn than C++ and it's faster than dynamic or interpreted languages like Python. I'm sure they could have used another language you prefer (Java?), but it shouldn't stay away from actual facts.
36. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-13 03:23 · Score: 0
  
  It's funny that as soon as you got called out the goalposts moved a mile into absolutely irrational territory. I mean, I guess Python is just straight useless because most of the fast stuff is actually written in C right?
  It's 2018. Microsoft made an open ecosystem of languages (C#, F#, etc.), an open compiler for them (Roslyn) and an open IDE that works really well with nearly every popular language (Visual Studio Code). You can now start and finish a .net project from scratch naively on Linux and never break the principles of free software. Best of all? It's an enjoyable experience! So get over yourself.
37. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-13 03:27 · Score: 0
  
  Enjoy your vulnerabilities and heisenbugs. C++ is one of the worst languages for general business use. You're better off with something that has more safety.
38. Re:BS by micahraleigh · 2018-03-13 05:14 · Score: 1
  
  You'd rather use Java than C# ?
39. Re:BS by gymell · 2018-03-13 05:34 · Score: 1
  
  I have been a Java developer for almost 20 years, most of that as a consultant so I've been on a lot of projects across many clients and industries. I never seen Hungarian notation used or even suggested. Many design patterns that were popular early on have fallen out of favor as well.
40. Re:BS by angel'o'sphere · 2018-03-13 08:24 · Score: 1
  
  That has nothing to do with bad or good programmers.
  C++ jobs are super rare.
  And time to market is often more important than the raw speed of the program.
  There are 5 of us in my office, and three of us can run rings around the java GC.
  Then show me the benchmark and the Java program.
  The simple reason is that good programmers understand how
  You mean good in Java or good in C++?
  not to mess up caching.
  Obviously cashing has nothing to do with memory management as in allocating and freeing, so I take your claim with a pack of salt.
  
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41. Re:BS by angel'o'sphere · 2018-03-13 08:31 · Score: 1
  
  So, you did not get my example at all?
  Why the funk does one make a null check? Usually you KNOW if the ptr at that place is null or not.
  I regularly see C++ code that is cluttered with "better safe than sorry" null checks. That belongs to "allocation/deallocation" or more general "memory management" code.
  No one is using "generic GCs" anymore. Java uses a concurrent multi generation heap allocator/GC. Actually it has several GC algorithms you can pick from.
  Again: I don't care if YOU can write a C++ program with efficient memory allocation and deallocation. 99% of the C++ can't hence we have plenty of smart pointer variations in Boost and std::
  
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42. Re:BS by Hognoxious · 2018-03-13 10:49 · Score: 1
  
  You: I'm a vegetarian.
  Him: But you just ate a steak.
  You: But cows eat grass, so the important part of my meal was a plant.
  
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43. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-13 15:45 · Score: 0
  
  Maybe he's thinking of German notation?
  You know,
  EverythingIsANounSoGlomTogetherAJillionIdeasIntoOneClassNameResponderFactory ?
44. Re:BS by fred6666 · 2018-03-14 03:11 · Score: 1
  
  which one of the popular games based on the unity engine are not developed in Visual Studio and/or don't run on Windows?
45. Re:BS by Hognoxious · 2018-03-14 05:36 · Score: 1
  
  I don't know, and neither do you.
  Not that it's relevant to the point at hand.
  
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46. Re:BS by fred6666 · 2018-03-14 06:48 · Score: 1
  
  If you read the discussion, you'd understand why it is relevant.
  My original question was:
  
  Could you name one major piece of software written in C# not specifically made to be executed on Windows? Without a visual studio project file in the source repository?
47. Re:BS by Hognoxious · 2018-03-14 17:44 · Score: 1
  
  No, your claim in comment 56250303 was that nobody writes in C# because the IDE, libraries etc were written in C/C++.
  Which is like saying wooden tables aren't made of wood because the tree was cut down using a metal saw.
  
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48. Re:BS by fred6666 · 2018-03-15 04:57 · Score: 1
  
  No, your claim in comment 56250303 was that nobody writes in C# because the IDE, libraries etc were written in C/C++.
  .
  I never claimed that.
  The Unity Engine is written in C/C++. Games using it may be developed in C#. I am asking if there is any example of one of these game which is
  1. popular/major
  2. Not targeting the Windows OS (or xbox or any other Microsoft platform)
  3. Not developed in Visual Studio
49. Re:BS by fred6666 · 2018-03-15 04:58 · Score: 1
  
  Also if most of the game is not written in C# but uses a small piece of C# to interface with Unity, that would be a very poor example.
50. Re:BS by cheesybagel · 2018-03-16 05:45 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, it's even worse, it's verbose Hungarian. You typically have the type of the object and the full path of the class name, and an overly verbose description to boot. I keep pressing TAB to auto-complete names whenever I program in Java. That's the major reason why you shouldn't even bother programming in J2EE without an IDE. The other reason to use an IDE is the inane amount of boilerplate code you need to type, which makes code generators essential rather than just nice to have.
Re: Only LUDDITES use JavaScript. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 07:49 · Score: 1

No blockchain ? Luddite !
Java in top spot by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 07:51 · Score: 0

N-no! It cannot be! AAARRHGGGHHHH!
Microsoft languages on the rise? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 07:55 · Score: 0

Other than C#, why would you call any of these languages Microsoft's?
1. Re:Microsoft languages on the rise? by xxxJonBoyxxx · 2018-03-12 08:19 · Score: 1
  
  Visual Basic .NET </pedantic>
2. Re:Microsoft languages on the rise? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 12:14 · Score: 0
  
  and Typescript and Powershell. Have you even read the linked article?
Stack Overflow by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 07:58 · Score: 0

Being tagged on Stack Overflow means the the language is not self-evident (or the developer is lazy), hence that should give negative points...
Wrong place to look to plan your career skills by mykepredko · 2018-03-12 07:59 · Score: 2

While it's always interesting to see what is going in and out of GitHub, I don't feel like it's going to be a good predictor of what you should be focusing on to be highly desirable in the market six months to a year in a future (when you've mastered programming in the language).
If I was coaching somebody looking at what to look at towards the future, I would be recommending (in order of priority) Go, WebAssembly (built from C source) and then Swift will probably be in high demand towards the end of 2018 with few coders skilled in them and there being a need for apps on the Google, Mac and web platforms.

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1. Re:Wrong place to look to plan your career skills by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 09:53 · Score: 1
  
  Depends on that person's career objectives:
  If they want jump jobs every 2 years and in between employment gigs learn the new language of the week, your advise is great and if they ride a bubble up they'll be rich.
  If they want steady, stable (but maybe more boring) employment, recommend C that was been in the top 10 since the lists started.
2. Re:Wrong place to look to plan your career skills by Dutch+Gun · 2018-03-12 15:14 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  I'd first ask them what sort of programming career they'd be interested in, and then tailor my recommendations from there. There are many industries which are heavily skewed towards particular languages. Which do you think would be the most important language in the following fields?
  * Videogame programming
  * Web programming
  * Enterprise application programming
  * Mobile development
  * Scientific and engineering programming
  The languages a programmer would want to learn is likely different for each one of these career paths. In the case of my particular career (videogames), you'd be offering terrible advice. C++ completely dominates AAA game development, followed by C#, and a smattering of also-rans.
  Programming languages don't exist in a vacuum. They all have strengths and weaknesses, and trying to distill them into a generic popularity contest is a mistake, at least when it comes to career choices.
  
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Visual Studio is big in colleges/universities by mykepredko · 2018-03-12 08:01 · Score: 1

Unfortunately, Visual Studio is still something that colleges and universities rely upon when teaching students.
That means that VC++, C#, .NET are the tools students are entering the job market with.

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1. Re:Visual Studio is big in colleges/universities by Junta · 2018-03-12 08:16 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  I recall back in college, a professor said 'ok, we aren't going to use this, but I'm required to give each of you a copy of visual studio, so here you go'.
  This is a huge reason to be wary of the various 'corporation wants to "help" teach computing' situation. All those free/extreme discount student licenses? Well the first hit is free.
  
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2. Re:Visual Studio is big in colleges/universities by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 08:19 · Score: 0
  
  Visual Studio is still the best or at least a leading dev tool. But saying university students are coming out with Visual Studio skills. Fuck man where are you finding your graduates, the ones we interview barely have any skills in dev or the tools. The first thing we do is send them on proper training courses, University teaches the ability to learn and bawsic concepts, it really has fuck all to do with providing professional skills.
3. Re:Visual Studio is big in colleges/universities by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 08:28 · Score: 0
  
  it's just like how Microsoft Surface is used throughout the NFL. Boy, there must be something good about it for that to be happening right?
  Hint, getting paid to use something does not make it a good product or idea.
4. Re:Visual Studio is big in colleges/universities by dwpro · 2018-03-12 09:19 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  I recall back in college, we developed on sun ultrasparks using feature poor text editors, and spent much time pouring over code for simple typos and parsing core dumps. Now as a professional developer I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to purchase a visual studios license if it weren't provided by work. Much of enterprise software is useless and overpriced-but not visual studios, IMHO.
  
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5. Re:Visual Studio is big in colleges/universities by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 09:34 · Score: 0
  
  Where did you go to school? Most new grads seem to have spent most of their time in Java or C++ (not Visual C++)
6. Re:Visual Studio is big in colleges/universities by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 09:59 · Score: 0
  
  I only learned Java/HTML in my comp sci classes. Though it was 5 years ago, so have things really changed that fast?
7. Re:Visual Studio is big in colleges/universities by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 18:29 · Score: 0
  
  No need to purchase it anymore. Visual Studio Community Edition is basically free Professional version for individual developers or companies with 5 seats or less.
8. Re: Visual Studio is big in colleges/universities by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 19:17 · Score: 0
  
  Have you ever used a Surface? They're a pretty awesome piece of kit. Huge screen with accurate touch controls. You can be in a video conference and throw up a section of whiteboard, draw on it (2 local people plus remote at the same time) then have the drawing emailed out to all meeting attendees at the touch of a button.
9. Re:Visual Studio is big in colleges/universities by Hognoxious · 2018-03-13 10:55 · Score: 1
  
  and spent much time pouring over code
  Isn't that rather messy?
  
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10. Re:Visual Studio is big in colleges/universities by dwpro · 2018-03-13 11:16 · Score: 1
  
  Quite, as one might expect from a bunch of nerds crowded in poorly ventilated computer lab. Thank you for keeping the pedant spirit of Slashdot alive Hognoxious. *fedora tip*
  
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11. Re:Visual Studio is big in colleges/universities by Junta · 2018-03-14 08:39 · Score: 1
  
  To be honest, that's not a terrible strategy to begin programming. Get a feel and understanding up front for some of the fundamentals before letting an IDE do it for you. I've run into too many folks that can't make a simple C program and compile it, without making it a project.
  As it moves up, there are a variety of IDEs in the world, and it would be wise to have curriculum ensure exposure to them in diverse ways. A curriculum that produces good well rounded professionals should have the users adept at using an IDE, not having an IDE, and being able to be relatively comfortable in a variety of languages on a variety of platforms. However a large chunk of candidates we interview got degrees from places that MS pretty much bought the whole curriculum, and the idea of doing development without Visual Studio and/or for a non-Windows platform terrified them.
  
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CSS is a programming language? by Prien715 · 2018-03-12 08:03 · Score: 5, Insightful

The top 10 programming languages [include]...CSS
That tells you all you need to know about this "study". CSS is a mark-up language -- not a programming language (unless you're on the sadistic side as it is technically Turing complete).

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1. Re:CSS is a programming language? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · 2018-03-12 08:41 · Score: 1
  
  I'd call it a data structure serialization/external format, seeing as mark-up languages actually mark up some prose.
  
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2. Re:CSS is a programming language? by jetkust · 2018-03-12 08:47 · Score: 1
  
  They likely know what CSS is. There was just no point in making that distinction, since like you just mentioned, there is no specific rule that eliminates it from being a "programming language".
3. Re:CSS is a programming language? by Prien715 · 2018-03-12 09:24 · Score: 1
  
  there is no specific rule that eliminates it from being a "programming language".
  There is a in fact a difference. No one uses it as a programming languages, except for purposes of discussions such as this one.
  
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4. Re:CSS is a programming language? by jetkust · 2018-03-12 10:10 · Score: 1
  
  there is no specific rule that eliminates it from being a "programming language".
  There is a in fact a difference. No one uses it as a programming languages, except for purposes of discussions such as this one.
  It didn't take me long to find this:
  https://medium.mybridge.co/26-...
  and this:
  https://codepen.io/collection/...
  
  They are using the term programming language for simplicity sake, and are not technically incorrect.
5. Re:CSS is a programming language? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 11:27 · Score: 1
  
  CSS is starting to get SOME scripting language-ish things embedded into it. For example, calc() is a rudimentary expression evaluator that can add, subtract, multiply, and divide very basic expressions (e.g. calc(100% - 50px);). But is it a scripting language? As far as I know, CSS is not Turing-complete (yet) but is certainly a pain to parse into lexical tokens.
  Microsoft created the 'behavior' back around IE 5.5, which would load and execute an external bit of code from CSS. Don't know (and don't really care) if Edge still supports behaviors. Including an external file and executing code would be the equivalent of writing a "language" that can run 'system()' calls and declaring the "language" Turing-complete because of that, which of course would get you laughed out of the room.
  In my universe if PHP doesn't make a Top 10 list, then the list is useless. PHP powers 85% of the dynamic web. PHP is also a very stable, mature language. PHP is an excellent command-line language - PHP is superior to shell scripting and Perl (and also, IMO, Python and Go) and doesn't require compiling/transpiling code yet PHP still has deep system access options. PHP 7 has superior performance improvements over PHP 5. I use PHP for all of my cron jobs and most of my bulk data processing needs.
  "Java in top spot, followed by C, C++, Python, C#, Visual Basic .NET, PHP, JavaScript, Ruby, and SQL".
  I guess SQL is kind of a programming language if you want to include stored procedures, but those aren't Standard SQL but rather extensions that the database vendor bolted onto their product. But if all you do is "SELECT * FROM table" type of queries, it's kind of hard to argue for it to be a language. How Ruby is on that list is baffling. Other than Sass, I haven't seen Ruby code in years. Maybe it's all that legacy code written in Ruby back when it was the hot, sexy thing to write now coming around to bite people on the rear? Guess this goes to show that these kind of lists are pretty useless. Java, Python, and Ruby need to cease existing. Javascript has no business being anywhere but a web browser.
  Learn PHP by actually writing PHP code (don't be lazy and use Composer) and then learn C. Write a couple of extensions for PHP in C. From there you'll have all the skills you need to learn other languages (and you'll hate most of them for good reason).
6. Re:CSS is a programming language? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 21:00 · Score: 0
  
  If we are going to recognize CSS as a legit programming language then that should have happened from Microsoft Excel decades ago.
7. Re:CSS is a programming language? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-14 05:32 · Score: 0
  
  Every page I opened at the above two links said it needed JavaScript enabled, so I have trouble seeing them as evidence that CSS is a programming language.
  I have visited (and made) websites with interactive drop down menus that were powered by CSS alone (i.e. without any JavaScript).
How do they measure? by guruevi · 2018-03-12 08:13 · Score: 1

There are different lists and get completely different results. Just because a lot of stuff is being talked about doesn't mean it's being used, it just means it's difficult to use and whoever tries needs a lot of help (eg. anything Microsoft)

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Groups by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 08:13 · Score: 0

I think it would be more interesting if they would look at language groups.
If I look at myself, for example, my two primary groups are:
- PHP/HTML/CSS/JavaScript/jQuery
- C/SDL
I mean, yes, theoretically you could use just stand-alone JavaScript.
But that's not what most programmers do; we use languages in groups.
Microsoft coders don't just use C# and nothing else, do they?
1. Re:Groups by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 08:55 · Score: 0
  
  I'd say C# almost always comes with MSSQL, and usually will come with HTML/CSS/Javascript. I myself focus almost entirely on back-end application servers so I don't really do much HTML/CSS/Javascript.
Microsoft wants to own it all by Rick+Schumann · 2018-03-12 08:26 · Score: 0

Microsoft has a history of seeking/creating a monopoly regardless of what dirty tactics they might use and this would be no different if true. They'd like nothing better than to be the sole source of all things computing, and to become the de-facto owner/operator of anything with a microprocessor in it.
Still No Jobs for Coders by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 08:50 · Score: 0

No matter how many coding languages you know, no matter how much code you write, you will never get paid to code. There are absolutely zero jobs for coders.
Coding is a nice hobby though, if you enjoy gaining useless knowledge.
Coding is worthless. There are no jobs!
1. Re:Still No Jobs for Coders by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 10:00 · Score: 0
  
  damn, good to know. I wonder why I've been making 6 figures for the last two decades
2. Re:Still No Jobs for Coders by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 10:54 · Score: 0
  
  I've been programming since I was five years old. I spent my childhood reading programming language reference manuals. I've written code in so many languages, I only list on my resume the ten languages I've used most recently. I earned a 4.5 GPA (scale of 5) and I have two degrees in computer science. I think about coding all day and I dream in code at night.
  I am a natural born programmer.
  Do you want to explain why I can't get a programming job?
  Or are you simply lying about your six figure fake job that you don't have. Liar.
3. Re: Still No Jobs for Coders by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 11:24 · Score: 0
  
  Perhaps try to wear pants and underwear on the next interview?
4. Re:Still No Jobs for Coders by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 11:36 · Score: 0
  
  Wow, I was sure you were trolling that there are no developer jobs. I'm a different AC than you are responding to.
  Possible reasons you are unable to find a job in order of likelyhood:
  1: Bad resume.
  A poorly written resume overrides good grades. I have personally helped two programmer friends who "couldn't get a job" rewrite their resume and they got excellent job offers within weeks.
  2: Which programming languages do you know? Are they useful outside of school?
  Personally I had a bad GPA and a criminal record (not computer related) when I graduated. I knew I had to beat the 4.5 GPA graduates by changing the whole game. At my school they don't teach Microsoft technologies, so I got awesome at c# and taught myself business oriented programming, databases, websites etc. The only time someone ever asked about my GPA I pointed our that my school doesn't teach the language they were hiring for.
  3: Where you live.
  Nowhere Alabama does not have a thriving tech scene. You might have to move to a city. There are plenty of lower cost cities with a diversified economy which employs programmers in many industries.
  4: Just gotta take that first entry level job.
  You might be looking for a pure programmer job and getting offered something less. Just take a job that involves any kind of programming, and you start building the "years of experience" qualifier you are missing.
  It's not really easy to make six figures as companies are tightwads, but through a combination of skill, luck, and business sense I have been making 6 figures since my early 30s.
  I hope this helps. Good luck!
5. Re:Still No Jobs for Coders by geoskd · 2018-03-12 14:36 · Score: 2
  
  I earned a 4.5 GPA (scale of 5) and I have two degrees in computer science
  I say this tongue in cheek, but be assured I am serious:
  You screwed up your college experience.
  School was never about earning the degree directly. Your GPA doesn't mean shit to anybody because everyone knows that thanks to grade inflation, anyone with an IQ above shoe leather can get good grades, all it takes is effort, which all but the laziest of people can do. Unfortunately, Even the most Herculean effort, and the highest GPA doesn't make a good programmer good.
  And all of that is completely irrelevant to getting a job. Assuming that you can work well under pressure (Which test taking accurately indicates), the one thing you needed from your college education had absolutely nothing to do with your classes. The whole point of the exercise was to network and meet new people. Those are the very same people that you should look to when you want to find gainful employment.
  Not for nothing, but if you actually needed classes in order to learn how to program (Which it sounds like you didn't), you would make a particularly lousy employee. Managers want employees who will learn how to get shit done on their own, because that makes the bosses job 1000x easier. If the boss has to send you for training every time (s)he needs you to take on something outside of your immediate experience, you wont last long.
  
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6. Re:Still No Jobs for Coders by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 17:27 · Score: 0
  
  If you told me in an interview your hobby was 'reading programming language reference manuals' I'd think you were way too boring for my team. Or crazy.
  BTW I don't make 6 figures, but I've had a good vaariety of coding jobs over the last 10 years or so, and I'm not worried about the future either.
7. Re:Still No Jobs for Coders by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-13 04:46 · Score: 0
  
  Interviewing people for a coding job at a National Lab this Friday. Just filled another last month. I guess the folks we're hiring are going to make money on their hobby.
8. Re:Still No Jobs for Coders by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-13 05:08 · Score: 0
  
  I am a natural born programmer. Do you want to explain why I can't get a programming job?
  Maybe it's your attitude? You're a lone wolf, I take it? Don't play well with others?
  
  Or are you simply lying about your six figure fake job that you don't have. Liar.
  Ah. Yep.
PowerBuilder by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 08:55 · Score: 0

Still my most "productive" development platform, despite the fact that it's not considered a true language.
Looking forward to the scripting language being switched from PowerScript to C#. I really hope this happens for this very productive, but rarely used, toolset.
More inaccurate analogies by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 09:08 · Score: 0

Ford Focus - more profitable and serves some very practical purposes that can profit an owner (like being able to get to work without breaking down). Thus the lowly Focus is the superior car.
I'd say that JavaScript versus C++ is like a Rolex Submariner versus a Casio G-Shock. One costs thousands of dollars, the other can survive an afternoon of rock climbing.
1. Re:More inaccurate analogies by Bryansix · 2018-03-12 09:49 · Score: 1
  
  The Rolex is more likely to survive due to a flaw in the wristband design on Casio G-Shock watches. It can also take repeated knocks just like the G-shock but it might need a little polishing after.
2. Re:More inaccurate analogies by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-13 06:23 · Score: 0
  
  This is total fucking nonsense. Have fun paying through the nose to get a broken crown repaired on your Sub.
the rules got hacked by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 09:11 · Score: 0

msmash hacked the report by writing stupid headlines. hacking!
Yes, but what we really want to know is by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 09:28 · Score: 0

What are the top "hipster" languages, y'know, like Rust, Scala, Kotlin, D.
Better make it the Top 9.. ten is too conventional and too crowded anyway.
not worth being outraged over by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 09:33 · Score: 1

In the actual article all that was pointed out was PowerShell and TypeScript are rising (both ranked #17). PowerShell isn't really a language it's just like bash for Azure. TypeScript is probably gaining popularity due to its use in Angular 2 (or whatever the hell it's being called these days).
1. Re:not worth being outraged over by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 09:41 · Score: 0
  
  Hey now, bash is a programming language. I wrote some fixed-point arithmetic in a bash script the other day.
How MS did it by Tablizer · 2018-03-12 09:40 · Score: 1

There's a place for both dynamic and static/compiled (s/c) languages. The problem is that there's not enough mature competitors in the s/c field for general application development. It's mostly a race between Java and MS (C#/VBnet), but Oracle screwed up Java via lawsuits and other missteps, making MS more attractive relative speaking.
Dynamic language interpreters are generally easier to design and implement than compilers because the type system is simpler or non-existent ("tag-free typing"); and it's easier to fudge the weak-points with dynamism. "Big compile" apps have to have all the ducks lined up right to finish compiling. If a small corner of a dynamic app has language-related issues, it won't stop the other 99% of the app from working.
Therefore, there are fewer viable s/c competitors. The complexity of s/c languages means the "network effect" is stronger for s/c, and MS's large presence and deep pockets allow it to leverage the network effect so that it grabs a bigger percent of the s/c pie if the other s/c offerings get hiccups.
(There are dynamic strong-typed languages and vice versa, but they usually don't go mainstream for reasons that would take longer to explain.)

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Python by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 09:53 · Score: 0

>> JavaScript Rules But Microsoft Programming Languages Are On the Rise
Bullshit.
Python is king
really??? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 10:09 · Score: 0

C++ on Linux in place of C#? Why not Java, or Python? Are they using KDE as well??? Unless you need the performance, is C++ worth the hassle?
Redmonk influenced by Redmond? by saccade.com · 2018-03-12 10:11 · Score: 1

That name is awfully suspicious.
I wish Linux had Visual Studio by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 10:13 · Score: 1

Visual Studio is my favorite IDE. I wish Linux had something as good as Visual Studio.
1. Re:I wish Linux had Visual Studio by mcl630 · 2018-03-12 10:46 · Score: 3
  
  They do... it's called Visual Studio Code for Linux.
2. Re:I wish Linux had Visual Studio by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 11:18 · Score: 0
  
  VS Code is NOT equivalent to Visual Studio proper.
  VS Code is an extremely cut-down version of VS. Perhaps it's the forerunner of a cross-platform equivalent to VS, but not for many years.
3. Re:I wish Linux had Visual Studio by KlomDark · 2018-03-12 14:03 · Score: 1
  
  I have both and use both. I use Visual Studio 2017 for coding C#-based Web API backend stuff, and ASP.NET MVC front-ends. (Stuff with a .vsproj type of project) It is by far the best tool for that type of development.
  But when you want to do something like React with Node, using the package.json project format used by NPM/Yarn/Etc, then VS Code is the better way to go. VS 2017 gets in the way pretty bad when you just want to do something like npm install --save .
  I don't see either gunning for the other one's specialties. Probably eventually VS2017+ will go into that space, but for more Hipsterish newfangled coding, VSCode is the way to go.
4. Re:I wish Linux had Visual Studio by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 22:47 · Score: 0
  
  Well, did you have a look at what emacs can do?
  Developers IDEs since before anything 'visual' was even started.
5. Re:I wish Linux had Visual Studio by michael_wojcik · 2018-03-13 04:50 · Score: 1
  
  I've been writing software for several decades, and I've yet to see the appeal of any IDE. (And I've used a lot of them.) Why use a limited set of functions when you can have a good shell (of your choice), a huge and easily extensible collection of general-purpose tools, and the editor, debugger, and build toolchain you prefer?
  When I'm doing woodworking or fixing something mechanical, I can put whatever tools I want on my workbench. I'm not limited to a set of tools that came with it; that would be idiotic. I don't see any good reason why software development should be different.
  That said, I think Venomous Studio is particularly terrible (and seems to get steadily worse with each iteration). It's full of misfeatures, like its insistence on performing a build when you start a program for debug. (I have to use it for debugging CLR code; Microsoft doesn't offer a decent standalone managed-code debugger.) Or the way it likes to inject patently-incorrect elements like and into project files for no reason. Or the way it will re-enable extensions you've disabled when it updates.
6. Re:I wish Linux had Visual Studio by mcl630 · 2018-03-14 11:34 · Score: 1
  
  They previous anon said:
  >Visual Studio is my favorite IDE. I wish Linux had something as good as Visual Studio.
  VS Code is pretty much just the VS IDE, exactly what he's asking for.
Javascript by NotSoHeavyD3 · 2018-03-12 11:29 · Score: 2

JavaScript remains the most popular programming language
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Giving the devil his due by Locke2005 · 2018-03-12 12:37 · Score: 1

Here's the thing: I really wanted to hate C#, but it's better than C++. What they did is look at all the common mistakes programmers made in C++, and tried to design a language it was impossible to make those mistakes in. Combined with managed code, it makes bad programmers more productive. Of course, it's slow, bloated, and tied to the Microsoft/WIndows ecosystem. But if I was offshoring all my Windows work to India, I'd be happier if they were using C#. Of course, if were developing in Linux or for multiple platforms, I'd be using C++ and/or Python.

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1. Re:Giving the devil his due by geoskd · 2018-03-12 14:23 · Score: 1
  
  What they did is look at all the common mistakes programmers made in C++, and tried to design a language it was impossible to make those mistakes in.
  If you want to make furniture, you need to have some sharp woodworking tools. Insisting that a rubber mallet is the right tool for the job because nobody every cuts their fingers off with one is just plain ignorant.
  C#, in ironic contrast to the name, is a rubber mallet. In the programming world, it just isn't that useful.
  Just because a language lets more people create programs doesn't even remotely mean that any of those "programmers" have any business near a computer.
  
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2. Re:Giving the devil his due by ndykman · 2018-03-12 16:46 · Score: 1
  
  .Net Core has been running on Linux for over a year, and while you don't get everything, you get quite a lot. It's not nearly as tied to Windows as it used to be and it is become more of it's own independent ecosystem.
3. Re:Giving the devil his due by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-13 01:46 · Score: 0
  
  Yes C# is so terrible, no one uses it! Then why are there so many job listings for it? Why do financial companies have armies of C# devs? This is just another anti-Microsoft circle jerk. Surprised no one has brought up "embrace, extend, extinguish" and Ballmer to finish up anti-Microsoft bingo. So done with Slashdot.
4. Re:Giving the devil his due by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-13 03:38 · Score: 0
  
  This is just silly. Modern languages have learned from the mistakes of C++ and guard developers from making simple yet fatal mistakes.
  You're not arguing for sharp tools. C# is plenty sharp anyway with its powerful cross paradigm features. What you're arguing for is tools with no safety guards. Yes, if you're perfect then using an open saw is faster. But I can guarantee: If you make a living operating a saw with no safety mechanisms, you're going to get cut, or maybe you'll cut someone else.
Redmonks statistics are horrible by geoskd · 2018-03-12 14:15 · Score: 2

Redmonks statistical methods and analysis are horribly biased. Can we please stop quoting any conclusions he comes to? They are completely useless at best and actively misleading at worst.
If you want to know what is really going on in the CS world, look to the IEEE; everyone else has an agenda they are pushing...

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This is progress by Anonymous Coward · 2018-03-12 20:28 · Score: 0

Everybody learn to code now! (C&C Music Factory)
FUCK EVERYTHING MICROSOFT by sproketboy · 2018-03-13 00:51 · Score: 1

Languages for LOOOOOOOSERS
I wrote this item, too: mine got lost by the+gmr · 2018-03-14 04:00 · Score: 1

Not disparage ms.mash's excellent summary here, but I wrote this one, too, last week, and mine seemed to get lost in the firehose. I am new to Slashdot. Do duplicates happen often? Here's mine - https://slashdot.org/submissio...