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'Women At Microsoft Are Sexualized By Their Male Managers,' Lawsuit Alleges (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: According to a newly unsealed court filing, women at Microsoft who work in technical jobs filed 238 internal complaints pertaining to gender discrimination or sexual harassment from 2010 through 2016. The new document was first reported Monday evening by Reuters. The figures were revealed as part of a proposed class-action lawsuit originally filed in 2015 (Moussouris v. Microsoft). The female plaintiffs argue that the company's internal rating system discriminates against women and disfavors professional advancement for women.
As part of the class certification process and civil discovery, Microsoft handed over years of records to the plaintiffs' lawyers. In the Monday-released filing, which was originally submitted to the court in October 2017, Moussouris' lawyer, Michael Subit, wrote that "Microsoft's Culture is Rife with Sexual Harassment" before continuing: "Company records indicate that women at Microsoft are sexualized by their male managers and coworkers, leading to a substantial number of incidents of alleged sexual harassment, and even several incidents of sexual assault, that often go unpunished." Specifically, Subit continued, Microsoft's internal unit (known as "ERIT") received 108 complaints of sexual harassment filed by female US-based technical employees, 119 complaints of gender discrimination, eight complaints of retaliation, and three complaints of pregnancy discrimination. Out of all of the claimed instances of gender discrimination, Microsoft's internal investigation only found that one such complaint was "founded."
As part of the class certification process and civil discovery, Microsoft handed over years of records to the plaintiffs' lawyers. In the Monday-released filing, which was originally submitted to the court in October 2017, Moussouris' lawyer, Michael Subit, wrote that "Microsoft's Culture is Rife with Sexual Harassment" before continuing: "Company records indicate that women at Microsoft are sexualized by their male managers and coworkers, leading to a substantial number of incidents of alleged sexual harassment, and even several incidents of sexual assault, that often go unpunished." Specifically, Subit continued, Microsoft's internal unit (known as "ERIT") received 108 complaints of sexual harassment filed by female US-based technical employees, 119 complaints of gender discrimination, eight complaints of retaliation, and three complaints of pregnancy discrimination. Out of all of the claimed instances of gender discrimination, Microsoft's internal investigation only found that one such complaint was "founded."
always a predictable outcome. unfortunately.
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the fastest way to get microsoft to correct their sexist and discriminatory behavior is to inform them Google or Apple have created a cloud-based system of equality that operates as a SAAS/FAAS service with integrated tenant metering and billing.
once thats done, all you need to do is wait 4 years for Microsoft to unveil their much less popular version of the same thing and viola! you've eliminated up to 40% of the sexism and somehow managed to introduce a misandric version of Clippy....
Good people go to bed earlier.
People just like to complain
238 complaints is, based on Microsofts current employee count of around 124,000, one complaint per 521 employees. Over a 6 year period. While a zero rate would be nice, I don't think that's too bad either.
Plus we seem to be getting to that stage where some people consider allegations to be enough that action simply has to be taken, screw the investigation and screw the evidence. An allegation has been made, so punishment must be enacted.
While a world where women are considered a lesser species is certainly a world that needs to be eliminated, a world where mere allegations are enough is not the world we should be aiming to replace it with.
Why do you libs have to make everything about Donald Trump?
You are welcome on my lawn.
lol
Except perhaps that some people love to complain. But then, 238 complaints over six years, on a workforce what size exactly again?
Yes, redmond are evil and fie on you for working for them. But at the same time, they're a large organisation so someone's gonna complain at some point. And of course that includes women complaining about sexual harassment. They might be right, but then again, they might not be. So it doesn't surprise me that only one was found to be founded. It really sounds like par for the course. Nothing sounds out of the ordinary or in need of attention.
This is one of those summaries that only make me wish for refunds on the time spent reading them.
BeauHD, is this really the best you can do in finding stuff that actually matters? How about you and msmash take a running jump over a shark or something?
Victims and "professional" victims, not SJWs. Specialized feminists infiltrators for targets "hard" to crack.
If they aren't being 'sexualized', they aren't going to get any...
Funny how psychologically secure people simply don't have this problem. Amongst the rest though, sexual deviancy and disease run rampant. They all want to be on the cover of the New York Post, or Daily News, one of those tabloids.
"Its interesting that these same men feel threatened when a woman gets a chance to threaten them."
I really women fill this sort of legal procedures against all big companies and governments so they stop promoting homosexuality and feminism. I hope they start learn what they get from supporting degenerate cultural Marxism.
Companies/Organization to use:
- Amazon (run by Bezos the closet homosexual)
- Apple (run by homosexuals perverts)
- Congress (run by closet homosexual and Freemasons homosexuals/pedophiles network)
- Facebook (run by Sucker the overt homosexual)
- Google (run by homosexuals and trans perverts)
- Hilary Clinton (run by pedophiles)
- Microsoft (run by Gates the closet homosexual)
- Twitter (run by worst kind of homosexuals and trans perverts)
- Wall Street (run by closet homosexual and Freemasons homosexuals/pedophiles network)
"Its interesting that these same men feel threatened when a woman gets a chance to retaliate against unfair treatment."
It is also interesting that anything less than preferential treatment is "discrimination" to feminists/sjw's.
When even a false accusation can ruin your life, career, etc- of course men will pushback against this stuff. That goes double when there are ZERO consequences for knowingly filing a false complaint.
I have attended sexual harassment classes. They almost always make things worse.
The typical problem is described by the words "sexualized their male managers".
It indicates a huge abuse of the english language, and makes sexual harassment MORE likely, not less. A literal explanation of the meaning is "make sexual". That's simply not true - the men are not taking asexual creatures and making them more sexual.
Instead, the author is trying to say that the men have no respect for the women and are sexually harassing them. But instead of taking the time to say it clearly, they take a shortcut. But the short cut sounds STUPID to the target market. The evil men do not think their behavior is inappropriate and when you use this short cut, they do not understand what you are saying.
It's the liberal equivalent of saying "I have a black friend". It makes the speaker look stupid rather than convincing people of the truth.
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If you truly believe you have been the victim of "gender discrimination or sexual harassment" in the workplace there are people you can talk to about that in order to have it investigated and, perhaps, action taken. And these people don't work for Microsoft.
(EEOC and the Department of Labor, for a start)
heck, all you have to do is pay a bit of attention to some of the bug reports for Microsoft applications.
Clippy: autocorrects more than 30 asian countries to "the orientals."
Microsoft Phone: navigation to crenshaw, jackson heights, baltimore, and numerous other historically black cities silently reroutes to the cheesecake factory.
Outlook 365: calendar event alerts marked for gay pride are replaced with a gruff paternal sigh of disapproval and the words "those people."
Cortana: requests for the historic date of and specific casualty figures for the Jewish holocaust are replaced with nearly 9 minutes of incoherent rambling from Alex Jones.
azure blob storage: is defined in its API to be a form of sexual assault.
Good people go to bed earlier.
H1B side effect.
Damn you.
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
238/6 years is 40 a year.
Microsoft has 124,000 employees, 25.8% that are women.
So 31,992 women with 40 complaints a year. so .1% of female employees file a complaint each year. I suspect that is probably less than the industry norm.
And because of that you're going to see a dramatic decrease in the number of women hired in tech.
Women are sexualized by males. Everywhere. All the time.
It's fun watching you be butt hurt again and again and again by the evil President Trump's victory.
Sexual harassment is subjective. So is "sexualization".
Grabbing someone or asking for sexual favors or making a comment like "Women can't drive or whatever" is pretty clear.
But if I were a manager and "joe" was great at printer interfaces and "Jane" was great at UI and assigned work accordingly, would that be a problem?
Now, if "Jane" said, "Hey, I'd like to learn how to do printer interfaces, can I get assignments for that?" And I responded, "No, girls can't do printers." then OK I agree.
In my years, I've seen waaay too much read into people's reactions and I"ll take these things with a truck load of salt.
I've seen a lot. White guys who want to blame Black guys for no reason and other times, the Black guys was just unreliable.
And I've seen managers play along with the guys who don't like folks......
So, my point is .... you want to prevent all of this and make it fair? Good fucking luck.
Shut up SJW.
Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
Why is that only a problem when it affects women?
Nobody cares that men are often disincentived in joining fields like childhood education, and nursing. If we care about a gender not being given a fair shot at joining certain fields, let's apply those rules to *ALL* instances, not just certain ones that fit an ideological narrative while excluding other instances.
I've seen women hitting on women subordinates, to the point where HR was needed to get involved. Think about that.
Now that's equality.... /s
Stop hiring women
what's so wrogn wit twat?
Well, I think it's interesting that so many guys like yourself feel threatened when a man questions a woman's accusation.
Almost like you've got something to prove to women in general. What a shame (about your feeling of impotence).
All it means is people are complaining.. lets not all jump to conclusions. American women are known for their behaviour which equates to "Im a woman I deserve everything, given to me on a platter". My guess is the complainers are just not willing to work, with a small percentage of those actually being victims.
I suppose it's still early, but I feel like there's an unusual lack of internet fight down here. No bickering at all, really. Maybe a couple of call-outs (from all "factions", not to encourage more us-them simpletons) and bait, taunts, but I guess no one has the energy to bite?
>the company's internal rating system discriminates against women and disfavors professional advancement for women
Am I missing something from TFA? Discrimination != Sexualized, I would have thought. Like, "I wouldn't hit that if you paid me, yo." seems a distinct pool from "I decided she isn't proactive enough for team lead (and deleted the application without looking)"
Don't like it? Then leave.
What does sexualized mean? Were the genderless before they worked at MS?
How about we simplify this a bit... "'Women Are Sexualized By Men"
Focusing on some specific example is really pointless, isn't it? Women eye men, men eye women, that's how it works.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
Though the "accusation implies guilt" phenomenon is not even remotely new.
There also remain strong cultural narratives that women are very commonly the victims of sexual harassment, and that their natural honesty means they basically never falsely accuse. The idea that an under-performing woman would retaliate against a poor review with a sexual harassment accusation is hard for people to believe, whereas the idea that there are woman-harassing misogynists around every corner, unjustly holding women back and laughing about it, is easy for people to believe. Regardless of the historical/cultural reasons why this is so, that is the current state of affairs and it creates incentives for women to abuse the legal system.
That, of course, doesn't mean that we can reject sexual harassment accusations as probably bullshit. Obviously they must be investigated. It just means that general media response will naturally further these narratives whether they are true or not.
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And make my god damned sandwich!! Fetch me a Natty Light while you're in there too!
well-paid white men complaining
Wow! What a racist!
I still think it's a terrible injustice that there are so few female garbage collectors. Where's the feminine outrage that driving garbage trucks is primarily a male-dominated job?
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1. All employees must wear a grey burqa
2. Electronic "voice scrambling" devices will be issued to all employees, their use will be mandatory
3. One will refer to each other by ones Employee ID nr. as ones names generally gender specific
4. No one may be refereed to by a gender specific pronoun
5. Employees will be issues with a gender neutral deodorant. Other scents may not be worn
> First poster to mention SJW gets smacked
That would be you.
> Nothing more ridiculous than fat, well-paid white men
The first person to make a racial comment - also you. The first person to disrepair and insult people based on their gender? You. Just put get it over with an put on your KKK hood already since you clearly have no shame about being a racist and a bigot.
About ten years ago I read a pop business book called Corporate Confidential , which was regularly touted by the author of the anonymous "Mini-Microsoft" blog. (So I suspect the book is widely read in Redmond as well...)
The book's author is a veteran HR executive who purports to spill the beans on what HR actually does for a corporation. She emphasizes that HR is there to protect the company from its own employees, not the other way around; and that any time you bring an issue to them, one with legal and/or financial consequences, you are potentially jeopardizing your career.
In particular, she urged women not to bring forward cases of sexual harassment (which was interesting in the light of the recent #MeToo movement - I wonder if she regrets dispensing that advice now).
But I think a lot of people follow (or used to follow) her advice, and most haven't even read her book or confided with someone who has. It's just common knowledge that bringing forth a case of discrimination or harassment is risky for all involved.
You mean women that spend 10% of their lives to look as good as they can are being treated as eye candy?
Wow, stop the presses.
I hate that people don't REALLY believe in freedom. You're not allowed to want tech support ONLY from a guy because that's just what you want. Boo-hoo.
Don't forget workplace deaths! Men account for 93% of all on-the-job deaths. I don't see anyone scrambling for parity there.
Women will have evidence to back up legitimate accusations and men will have evidence to contradict false accusations.
Constant surveillance is the inevitable end-game. It is also the obvious technocratic solution.
It's either that or gender segregated work.
The benefit of having companies comprised of only men or only women would be that promotions could not be accused of being based on sex. With sexism off the table as an accusation, all that will remain is accusations of racism. These could be alleviated by segregating based on race as well.
While I don't think segregation is a good idea, it does eliminate the potential for discrimination and paranoid perceived discrimination. Even with such severe segregation in place, there will still be claims of discrimination based on appearance, sexual orientation, political ideology, etc.
I'm starting to think that burkas for everybody wouldn't be too bad. You could probably still tell that some are men from height and you might be able to distinguish race/gender from patterns of speech though.
pussies won't smell out of place! :)
I suppose a seafood restaurant is an alternative.
I think the only significant cause of decreasing women in tech is destruction of the patriarchy (so to speak). The cultures where women are well-represented in tech (like China or India or the US until about 30 years ago) are very patriarchical, where fathers tell their daughters what job to have.
In more feminist cultures where women get to do whatever they want, it should be no surprise that tech is less attractive to women than it is to men. People have to get used to the idea that when given the choice, people may not always chose what you would prefer.
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Or how about you simplify it to something correct instead, such as "Women are sexualised by puberty"?
Humans are sexualised at conception.
Actually, men are incentivized to take up nursing as a career. There are perennial complaints of too few male nurses. But of course, you are a knee-jerk asshole who never actually talked to a nurse.
Tech delivery, not so much. Tech management and leadership, hell yeah.
It's funny though... Most guys don't get to move from doer to manager either, but when girls can't it's a glass ceiling or discrimination. Meh.
Really? Because I hear about it on every fucking slashdot thread where somebody even obliquely mentions a woman in tech.
Saw this all the time at MSFT when I worked there as a Perma-Temp. It was most common during what I'm just going to call "intern season", where FTE's would regularly place bets on who was going to bang the new female intern first.
Underage drinking was also common, and it wasn't hard to spot them at parties drinking and talking to the executive team.
I saw much, much worse than was described in the OP, so I hope they get justice.
Loss
By 2.86 million
if not for the EC....the will of the majority as in Just powers from the consent of the governed.
If there are complaints about not enough male nurses, then they are far quieter and far less numerous than the myriad of people filling the airwaves and internet with constant endless moaning about "inequality" in male dominated fields.
The Navy uses (used?) the traffic light system - so if she says 'Yellow light' it means that you are edging on the unacceptable and should tone it down, change topic or whatever as you're making her uncomfortable. 'Red light' means you are being completely unacceptable and you should stop and walk away. And of course, 'Green light' means that your advances are welcome and please proceed.
Navy Traffic Light System
Perhaps this would help simplify things as unsocial geeks may not see or understand non-verbal communication that indicates that the other person is uncomfortable with the interaction.
This "listen and believe" will not end well the ultimate conclusion will be men and women can't work together. Than women will be removed from business and government to preserve society. Feminism is Just orchestrating its own fall.
you relies there MIGHT be less women in tech because they keep being fed the line that they will be treated bad. (most geeks only care about your work not what you look like.) So any woman who was remotely interested in tech thinks "well I would like to work in tech but its sexist I think I will study veterinary medicine instead." Seriously who gives a crap what chromosomes code monkey has just as long as they get the job done.
of women in the workplace, yet? It was a grave error in judgment to have ever permitted these stupid bitches entry into the workforce in the first place. Now we're all paying for it. As so often happens, trying to make things "fair" for people that couldn't otherwise have attained a position of influence - women, faggots, brown people, etc. - ends up making things worse for everyone involved. These useless diversity hires benefit in the short term at the expense of their betters, before their incompetence guarantees the inevitable destruction of whatever system they're brought into. And of course it will fall back on White men to pick up the pieces once this 'progressive' house of cards comes crashing down. We all saw it coming; anyone pretending otherwise is a n!gger or a liar.
Sexualizing people that is. Unless Microsoft is hiring neuters and surgically altering them to have sex organs the article doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
You are almost right. They aren't a lot quieter, but the media isn't interested in promoting the issue. That is who is being quiet on the subject.
There is a significant amount of discrimination toward male nurses. Attitudes of "you can't trust them" with children or female patients. Those attitudes, by the way, are from both genders -- this isn't "women keeping the man down". So despite all of the incentives there are more female nurses than male. And yet, there are a lot of male doctors. And hospital administrators. And orderlies.
The nursing field is rife with problems ranging from sexual abuse (not necessarily by males) to drug abuse to rank incompetence. Where I live the state nursing group has a newsletter where every nurse who has been disciplined is named and shamed (I've been surprised by both the number and severity of offenses). And yet...
Unless you know someone in the field (my wife is a nurse) you aren't likely to know about these issues because the press isn't interested in airing them.
Everyone's crime is nobody's crime.
Are "Micro" and "Soft"
Is seems that everyone is discriminating against everyone. How about we let women in Microsoft who feel sexualized and discriminated start their own software company? Call it Themyscirasoft. Find out if patriarchy is really getting you down. Same for black-only company, LGBTQ only company (won't you still have to deal with sexual harassment though?) and so on. You will obviously have to let straight white dudes also have their own company - can't expect them to give up working because others want their own space. But if, as people keep saying, diversity is good for business, diverse companies will succeed and become the norm. They will also be free to achieve whatever diversity ratios they want - hire this many men, that many women, this many latinos... - rather than having to try to dance around the rules. And, since their employees have other choices free of racism/sexism/transphobia/etc, these diverse companies will be very proactive at not allowing these things to happen. It seems to me that all current laws do is keep us in limbo, with everyone grousing of being discriminated against and how great life would be without all this nonsense. So lets move on already, we can pass new laws.
Alex Jones is smarter than to question the holocaust. Dude will rant for hours on interdimensional psychic space vampire pedophiles, but Alex does not fuck with Jews.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Just say you were harassed or or discriminated against or "sexualized" and Ca-Ching!
Easiest money you could ever make.
Or maybe I'm just being cynical?
> Nothing more ridiculous than fat, well-paid white men complaining about other people asking to be treated fairly.
But it's okay for *you* to discriminate, and fat shame?
If you said that sort of thing about women, there would be outrage.
Now who is not treating people fairly?
On the internet nobody knows that you're a dog.
As a guy, I'm wondering, how do I sign up to be sexualised?
It is also interesting that anything less than preferential treatment is "discrimination" to evangelicals/white men.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Wrong. There's been plenty of programs to get more men into nursing, at least. I don't know about other female-dominated fields.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
You gave a correlation. That doesn't imply causation. Moreover, US fathers did not tell their daughters what job to take about 1988.
One possibility is that patriarchal countries tend to impose codes of conduct that may stop bad behavior, so there's less informal discrimination and harassment. I don't think you really know what women will choose, given a level playing field.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I still think it's a terrible injustice that there are so few female garbage collectors. Where's the feminine outrage that driving garbage trucks is primarily a male-dominated job?
The old excuse was that far fewer women had the necessary upper body strength to manhandle full trashcans all day. (See what I did there?) But even that excuse is now gone, with garbage trucks equipped with robot dumpers. Make way for the female garbage collectors! Liberté, égalité, fraternité! Woops, uh, Liberté, égalité, sororité!
Keep up the good work, Ivan! Those American dogs have no idea you're a troll.
Those idiot Yanks imagine you're a just butthurt Establishment stooge who's ready (in words at least) to start a civil war because a notoriously corrupt bigot was unable to rig the election sufficiently in her favor.
How little they know!
Have you ever wondered why Feminist organizations are so richly bankrolled by the global financial oligarchy and the various national intelligence services?
The various usury cabals fund Feminist causes as a divide and conquer tactic in their ongoing war against the global working class. Feminist ideology sets husband against wife, neighbor against neighbor, destroying families and communities wherever it goes. A divided society is a society that can be more easily robbed by bankers and similar parasites.
USIC generously funds radical Feminist NGOs in Russia and the former Soviet republics. The Russian and Chinese intelligence agencies bankroll crazy-eyed Feminist groups in America. All for the same reason: it's a culture-killer. Like a pathogen it weakens its host culture and makes it more susceptible to opportunistic attack.
The ideology of Feminism is essentially a death cult - it runs contrary to all nature, religion, art, and culture. Feminists never have and never will build anything. They can't even build their own organizations without outside support. There is no such thing as grassroots Feminism.
Thus the various national intelligence services bankroll radical Feminist groups in rival/enemy nations. In the former Soviet Union, groups like Femen and Pussy Riot can barely even deny are infamous USIC assets. Rumor has it that NOW, one of the Feminist orgs pushing hard for the SESTA internet censorship bill, receives generous financial backing from the Chinese intelligence services.
Many people say Feminism is cancer. But I encourage you to think of this scourge in a different light: Feminism is low-intensity warfare against our people.
Women are a bunch of bitches these days. I'm fucking tired of hearing them bitch about shit. Someone please shut them up once and for all.