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Toys R Us To Close All 800 of Its US Stores (washingtonpost.com)

Toy store chain Toys R Us is reportedly planning to sell or close all 800 of its U.S. stores (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source), affecting as many as 33,000 jobs as the company winds down its operations after six decades. The Washington Post reports: The news comes six months after the retailer filed for bankruptcy. The company has struggled to pay down nearly $8 billion in debt -- much of it dating back to a 2005 leveraged buyout -- and has had trouble finding a buyer. There were reports earlier this week that Toys R Us had stopped paying its suppliers, which include the country's largest toy makers. On Wednesday, the company announced it would close all 100 of its U.K. stores. In the United States, the company told employees closures would likely occur over time, and not all at once, according to the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss internal deliberations.

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  1. A Toy Story by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    With a new twist.

    1. Re:A Toy Story by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Why is Toys R Us needed?

      We now have tablets and smartphones. The universal toy. The only toy some kids play with. They also no longer have any need or desire to venture into the strange and scary thing called "outdoors".

      With the advent of smart phones and tablets, parental responsibility is no longer needed. Of course, the more forward thinking people believed that with the advent of television. Or kids VHS tapes.

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    2. Re: A Toy Story by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      Going from routinely visiting Walmart, to a once in a blue moon trip to this exotic wonderland known as Toys R Us was quite an experience. I feel sad for kids these days.

    3. Re:A Toy Story by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      I guess you're joking - but I'll reply to you so my reply is near the top of the page ;-)

      It's a cute coincidence that this story appears on the same day as "How Amazon Became Corporate America's Nightmare". Having a physical toy store (or clothing store, or electronics store) in the neighborhood is a wonderful convenience - as a real-world browsing opportunity for your online purchases at Amazon, where you get free shipping (no need to lug the thing home in a cab), and low-overhead prices that physical stores can't match without eventually ending up in bankruptcy.

      Amazon's great (for what they're great for), but they're also essentially dumping product on the world at a near loss in order to achieve some kind of insurmountable market share. I only wonder what happens then? How long can the 3rd most valuable company in the world continue to operate at 400+ ranked profitability? If the purpose of this pyramid scheme is merely to bilk investors out of the money Bezos needs to build his empire - I guess I can think of worse things. But somehow, I think that one day the Empire will demand to be paid.

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    4. Re:A Toy Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon mostly uses third party sellers for toys. Many items are actually priced significantly (50-100%) higher than retail. It's common practice to use sales and clearances at local retail stores to fill your inventory on Amazon, at inflated prices of course. The side benefit is that shifting the merchandise to Amazon depletes local stock, creating artificial scarcity and driving prices even higher. If the supply is limited to begin with, you can double or triple the price even if there wasn't much of a market to begin with.

  2. Haven't we heard this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel I've been reading for years that they were closing, going bankrupt, etc.

    1. Re: Haven't we heard this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's strange you feel like that when you can't even read the summary.

    2. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In this case it is deliberate bankruptcy. The 80s corporate raiders never retired, they became private equity firms. They buy companies and let them fail under the weight of debt servicing (the debt being serviced, for good measure, was incurred in order to buy the company). The only people who lose are the complete idiots who finance these takeovers -- oh, and everyone who works at the company in question.

    3. Re: Haven't we heard this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be so quick to judge , here is a story from 2005 about the buyout mentioned in the summary, and that story also mentions uncertain futures and recent (at that time) store closures http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/17/news/fortune500/toysrus/

    4. Re: Haven't we heard this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The summary says that.
      It's like you didn't even read the post you replied to.

    5. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by jonwil · · Score: 1

      We need to see law changes to prevent this stuff from happening (where private equity scumbags buy a company, extract all the money they can and flog off the carcass to later go bust).
      Of course with Wall Street basically owning the US government these days, that will never happen (why do you think the government has thus far refused to listen to those experts who say they should restore the laws preventing banks from taking the big risks with customers money if they want to prevent GFC mk 2 in the future?)

    6. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I feel I've been reading for years that they were closing, going bankrupt, etc.

      And what is the relevance for nerds?

    7. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      That doesn't make sense. Private equity companies buy struggling companies at a multiple of what they are worth, in hopes of selling it for more later. It was purchased in 2005. I am sure the equity company who owns it isn't happy that they are going bankrupt.

    8. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by sheramil · · Score: 1

      I feel I've been reading for years that they were closing, going bankrupt, etc.

      And what is the relevance for nerds?

      ... my god, where will the Residents buy their musical instruments now?

    9. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sure the equity company who owns it isn't happy...

      On the contrary, they're laughing all the way to the bank. Any tears you see are purely crocodile tears.

      Bain and KKR did a leveraged buy out. What did that leverage consist of? It was the theoretical "value" of Toys R Us if Bain and KKR were successful in turning Toys R Us around. IOW "funny money."

      Once the sale was concluded, Bain and KKR probably replaced the board; they stacked it with board members who would approve Toys R Us paying the loans.

      Who bought who exactly? In any kind of sane situation why would Toys R Us pay the loans that Bain and KKR took out to buy them with?

      Then Toys R Us, which was already less than healthy to begin with, falls further and further in the hole paying off Bain's and KKR's loans. Leading up to today's bankruptcy filing.

      And somewhere along the way Bain and KKR probably figured out how to skim off a few hundred million in that original $7B deal. Whatdya think? And the board hired one of their golden haired boys as CEO and gave him a nice seven figure salary and a golden parachute.

      The whole thing is a book keeping sleight of hand.

      IIRC correctly Bain did another book keeping sleight of hand with their employees' 401K money. The 401K balances were invested in startups companies with penny stock share values. Bain pumped them up, took them public, share prices soared. Maybe those prices stayed high, or maybe they didn't. Either way, 401k balances soared, at least long enough for portfolios to be rebalanced to cash out of those stocks. Et voila, multi-million dollar 401K balances. Schmucks like you and me save our whole life and maybe put away $500K in our 401ks, if we're lucky. But if you're a Bain employee and get in on a deal like this, you're sitting mighty damn pretty.

      So don't feel bad for Bain and KKR.

    10. Re: Haven't we heard this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People come here to write. If they wanted to read they would go to a reputable news source. /ducks

    11. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How it works is the private equity firm buys the company for some large sum of money, but they only actually put up a fraction of the total. The rest is borrowed. But the PE firm doesn't borrow it. The company being acquired actually borrows it to fund the acquisition of the company. This leaves the company with a huge debt they now have to service. The PE company now forces the company to pay them huge dividends and a management fee. Of course doing so means the company can't make the huge debt payments that they now owe. In order to make the payments the company close stores, reduces inventory, cuts workers and sells of parts of the company. This reduces costs but eventually reduces revenues which leaves the company no option but to reduce costs again. Rinse and repeat. This is why it is called a death spiral. By the time the company has reached the point that they can no longer cut costs to make their payments the PE firm has reaped tremendous profits on the deal from the dividends and management fees. The company finally files bankruptcy and liquidates which is just another revenue generating event for the PE firm because by that time the company owes the PE firm a good amount of money, money that never actually came out of the PE company's wallet, and the PE firm has arranged the deal so they are first in line to get any funds from the liquidation.

    12. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by BouncingBob · · Score: 1

      That's not what happened - they borrowed the money to take the company private, using a loan secured by the company - they basically just borrowed the value of the stock they didn't already own. So, less than the company was worth.
      Since that was a loan made to the company, the company was responsible for paying it.
      in the meantime, the people who set up the deal got nice big commissions, and kept control of the company, milking it for "management fees" and the like as long as it could keep up both the fees and the interest payments.
      Now, the company is going under, the assets will pay some fraction of the debts. The people who made the deal in the first place walk away with all the money they collected over the last 13 years.
      I am not a financial expert, but that's the general idea.

    13. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by CrashNBrn · · Score: 2

      From earlier in the year: Why Toys “R” Us Is Closing One-Fifth of Its Stores

      But its collapse has been especially acute, due to terrible mismanagement by private-equity firms. After Toys “R” Us was taken private by KKR, Bain, and Vornado in 2005, it took on a lot of debt, leaving the company with repayments that have crippled it in a period of declining sales. Toys “R” Us has spent more than $250 million annually to pay back $5 billion in long-term debt. These repayments became unsustainable once revenue started to decline consistently, as it has each year since 2012. That left one option: for the company to declare bankruptcy and renegotiate the terms of its debt.

      Reported earlier last year: Bain, KKR, Vornado Suffer Wipeout in Toys ‘R’ Us Bankruptcy

      The three firms and their co-investors sank $1.3 billion of equity into the takeover of the Wayne, New Jersey-based toy company, financing the rest with debt, according to company filings. The debt included senior loans in which they held a stake.

      Partly offsetting the loss is more than $470 million in fees and interest payments that Toys “R” Us awarded the firms over time. ...
      KKR and Vornado, which are publicly traded, had previously written their investments in the company down to zero. As a result, the bankruptcy won’t affect their earnings going forward.

      ;TLDR
      Bain and Co financed most of the purchase cost of Toys R Us with Debt, have made half a billion dollars in fees since then, and will suffer nothing from the closure of Toys R Us, unlike everyone that actually works for Toys R Us.

    14. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      That doesn't make sense.

      Economics is frequently counterintuitive. I don't even claim to begin to understand it, so at least I'm not lying to you about it.

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    15. Re: Haven't we heard this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People come here to write. If they wanted to read they would go to a reputable news source!

      Hehe

    16. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

      In this case it is deliberate bankruptcy. The 80s corporate raiders never retired, they became private equity firms. They buy companies and let them fail under the weight of debt servicing (the debt being serviced, for good measure, was incurred in order to buy the company). The only people who lose are the complete idiots who finance these takeovers -- oh, and everyone who works at the company in question.

      Yup, they are vampires. Suck a company dry by loading them up on debt and taking the money in management (ha!) fees and special dividends.. and if the company goes bankrupt, oh well.

    17. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by bravecanadian · · Score: 2

      That doesn't make sense. Private equity companies buy struggling companies at a multiple of what they are worth, in hopes of selling it for more later. It was purchased in 2005. I am sure the equity company who owns it isn't happy that they are going bankrupt.

      No they don't. They buy them to suck them dry.

      By the time these companies go bankrupt the private equity firm has usually gotten multiples of their actual investment back out.

    18. Re: Haven't we heard this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this same thing happened to Toys R Us a few years ago

      It's disappointing to see all these toy stores go away. I used to love going to these stores as an adult.

    19. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      ...my god, I never thought I see the Residents mentioned on this site.

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    20. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 2

      It makes sense only because of such low interest rates that all kinds of unwise proposals can look pretty good on a powerpoint presentation under those conditions. When safe bonds are paying 1%, offering 2% is an easy way to find suckers.

      Furthermore, the equity company itself might be doing just fine. I do not know the details about ToysRUs, but in the case of Sears, the owners of the equity company also owned a sister commercial real estate company, that "helped" Sears out of a cash crunch situation brought on by bad management. That sister company bought about $8-$10 billion of real estate from Sears for $3 billion cash, and rented the property back to Sears. So the equity company itself may looked trashed on paper, while the owners of the equity company make $5 billion elsewhere.

    21. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's WAY easier than that. Here's the steps:

      1. Private Equity company (in this case, KKR) takes out a huge loan.
      2. They use the loan to buy a company (the Mark).
      3. Private Equity company saddles the Mark with the huge loan.
      4. Private Equity company drains off any asset value from the Mark.
      5. The Mark collapses, with the debt load get discharged in Bankruptcy court (and therefore passed to the public at large).
      6. Private Equity company does a rinse and repeat.

      New York City "business" at its finest.

    22. Re: Haven't we heard this before? by orasio · · Score: 1

      yes

  3. If you have a gift card ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... go today (now).

    1. Re:If you have a gift card ... by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Save that gift card and let it appreciate in value over time.

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  4. A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by tgibson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is not surprising (Internet, etc. etc.). However, few things can compete with the sheer joy I had as a child when given the rare opportunity to roam the aisles of a Toys R' Us to discover, touch, test, and play with the toys. The "aisles" of Amazon are a poor substitute for a child.

    1. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by drewsup · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The last time I had to be in one, its was like a KMart from 20 years ago, poor, uncovered fluorescent lighting, drab interior, no nothing staff, Smyths seems to be the better version these days

    2. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was born 1985, I've been to Toys r Us less than 5 times in these 33 years.

      There just isn't any point in a toys only store. Even without the internet toys can and will be sold anywhere. They're literally competing against the whole world. Well they were anyways.

    3. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by tepples · · Score: 1

      There just isn't any point in a toys only store. Even without the internet toys can and will be sold anywhere.

      Such as where, particularly outside major cities? Toys R Us had a far larger selection than, say, Walmart.

    4. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Born in 76. As a child, going to a toy store was an experience all on its own. The lights, sounds, action, the figures and hottest trends. My personal favorite to see were bikes, LEGOâ(TM)s, G.I.Joe, Nerf, Video games and their display, etc.

      What kids go out these days? Where are the parents that arnt so busy to take them?

      Toy stores died because of a culture that valued them did too.

    5. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My kid is more excited when browsing through Steam/Google play than when walking around a toy store.

    6. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I haven't been in one for almost two decades, but my experience was similar to yours. It felt more like a set of a David Lynch movie with all of the underlying sense of dread that place was giving off. I don't have any memories of going to one as a young child though, so I can't be sure if it's just nostalgia through a rose-colored lens or if there was a time when it was wonderful in reality as in memory.

    7. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Junta · · Score: 2

      Additionally, last time I was there, it was a big store... with very little in it. I was amazed how they had pretty much none of the toys my kid was looking for.

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    8. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ToysRUs was always expensive and a dreary place. I knew that even when I was a kid. I did not care then because *TOYS*. KayBee was more fun to be at. Several of the toy stores around me are actual fun to be in. A ToysRUs was always a warehouse of toys. When you are a kid you see toys. When you get older you realize what it is. Even the checkout in most of them feels like you have just checked out a can of beans from an underground bunker instead of buying something cool.

      Nostalgia was not what I would call going there. It was more about 'con parents into getting me overpriced lego set'.

    9. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's called austerity. With the gutting of the middle class to feed the insatiable rich (can never ever have too much), there is very little money left to buy expensive toys and thus the economy implodes. Perhaps the can be an interesting measure of a countries economy, how much they spend on toys for children per capita, would be some interesting results, pretty much gaurantee the US would not be in the top ten.

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    10. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Literally anywhere. Even mom n pop shops. Even gas stations.

      Also, their large selection is what put them under. If they focused on items that sell instead of "every toy ever is here!!!" they'd probably be doing fine.

    11. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by DedTV · · Score: 1

      Back in the 80s, my local Toys-R-Us had rows and rows of toys, 3 full rows (3x as long as the rows they have now) of video games, multiple rows of hobby stuff like model rockets, remote control cars and planes, model trains and high end slot car parts. Hell, I used to buy computer components from Toys-R-Us.
      Now, My local (NW Arkansas) Walmart has 6 rows of toys, plus 2 long rows of video games and accessories in the Electronics section. However the local Toys-R-Us (as of last summer, the last time I was in the store) has one small square section of toys and video games that is no bigger than my living room and in total is equal to maybe 4 of the toy rows at Walmart. The rest of the store is dedicated to Babies-R-Us with clothes, cribs, kid's beds and car seats filling 5 times as much floor space as toys. The last time I went in there was to buy a baseball mitt for my nephew last summer, they didn't stock them at all. Walmart had plenty though.

    12. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Born in '59. When I was little we had stores called 'dime stores' which were filled with toys, but everything in the store was five or ten cents.

    13. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Born in '33. We had to make our own straps for our father to beat us with. The rich kids played baseball with a stick and a piece of broken glass.

    14. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It is a shame. It kinda is surprising, as toys are, as you point out, one of the few things left where in-store sales and browsing works best.

      I say kinda, because the reasons are actually fairly well known and have nothing to do with Amazon or the Internet. TrU was bought a few years ago by an asset stripping private equity group. They essentially buy a business with the help of a massive loan, saddle the purchased business with the loan, and then extract every penny they can until the company cannot pay back the loan, and then it's bankruptcy, liquidation, and onto the next target.

      And it's all legal. So a bunch of people are losing their jobs because some jackasses figured out how to "borrow" money you have no intention of paying back. We need stronger powers for bankruptcy judges in this country, but good luck getting them when the executive is basically the people who pull this shit, and congress is basically a bunch of people owned by the people who pull this shit. .

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    15. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by mnemotronic · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is not surprising (Internet, etc. etc.). However, few things can compete with the sheer joy I had as a child when given the rare opportunity to roam the aisles of a Toys R' Us to discover, touch, test, and play with the toys. The "aisles" of Amazon are a poor substitute for a child.

      Or the aisles of Walmart.

      Giving away my age (neolithic) here, but for me nothing compared with the old Sears Christmas catalog.

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    16. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      It has more to do with trademarked plastic crap not being as appealing today as it once was.

      Kids are much more into virtual electronic toys today.

    17. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering some of the replies to your post, maybe you are thinking of FAO Schwarz which Toys R Us acquired in 2009 and put out of business in 2015:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAO_Schwarz

      FAO Schwarz was a real toy store!

    18. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you include video games the US would easily be #1. Even if it's just kid games.

      I've seen kids with Steam accounts with over $500 in games too many times. They usually complain on the forums for every new game that comes out. Mostly because it's "too hard" or they can't figure out how to run it.

    19. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Born in '19. We ha

    20. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by pots · · Score: 2

      Their location in Time Square is fantastic. Of course that's a showpiece location, they put extra effort into making it really nice, but it's terrific.

      For the parent: Yes online shopping has hurt retailers like Toys R Us, but the summary mentions a leveraged buyout - this is likely the bigger reason. Those result in an appallingly high rate of bankruptcy for the victim company.

    21. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by twdorris · · Score: 1

      no nothing staff

      Oh, the irony.

    22. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by JDevers · · Score: 1

      To be fair, we live in the heart of Wal-Mart country and shouldnâ(TM)t assume the other 8,000 stores look like our 30ish stores.

      Oddly the Toys R Us in Fort Smith is actually a lot better than the one in Fayetteville and the BRU is separated by a partition and feels like a separate store.

    23. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      If the business model still works then its an opportunity for another party to pick up where they left off. While I understand that you are pissed off at the company that bought it for the purpose of stripping it and profiting thereof the company had a good run and the bigger issue is the lack of competition rather than a store going under anyway. The loss of jobs- well- your mostly talking about young minimum wage workers working a part time gig who-if they had any sense- would be working there way up the food chain- and most do. The loss of these minimum wage jobs may not matter that much as we've seen an increase in other equivalent wage service work jobs coming into existence in the food and hospitality arenas.

      The reason they lacked competition? Well, maybe because you bought from them instead of your local toy store. You probably have yourself to blame if you are terribly upset. The reality is it isn't just this toy store going under- I've seen local toy stores going under too. It has more to do with cheap Wallmart toys and Amazon then anything else. The reality is both Wallmart and Amazon both have operations which are more competitive.

      I'm no fan of either- but this isn't the end of the world. The people voted with there wallets and the people have said they don't care. This is the free market at work. It is resulting in more efficiencies and money in my/your pocket. If you feel poorer it may be the result of laziness or inability relative to your parents. Those who work hard can and generally do move up- but many people are lazy- or unwilling to move and they migrate downwards.

      I'm not the brightest tool in the shed and I've done very well for myself. Not through hard work- or any work requiring any real level of intelligence- but rather just making smarter life decisions. Where I choose to live (cost effective), not taking employment, but starting a company (more stability- I'll be the the last person fired if things go south, etc), etc. I nearly doubled my wealth simply by moving from a high tax state (New Jersey) to a lower tax state (New Hampshire). Income stayed the same, but effectively went up significantly. My employees here effectively make more and are higher up on the financial stability latter even though I'm paying the same salaries as I was in New Jersey. Not only can I afford twice the property my close to minimum wage employees ($12 / hr) own property too now. Nothing that anybody who worked for me in New Jersey could ever hope to achieve on that amount of money. The properties my employees own are mostly really sweet 1-2 bedroom condos (with covered garages), NICE and new 2-3 bedroom trailers, etc. Who would have thought that was even possible on $12 / hr. Certainly it isn't possible in Silicon Valley- and it's these sorts of places that are attracting the people who complain most of all.

      Learn to love libertarianism cause it'll make your life better. Or not. No loss on me. Just stay out of New Hampshire and keep your socialist policies to your own state. That way me and my people can continue to thrive on freedom.

    24. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      Mine was during the 2nd weekend of the Wii release. There was a line waiting for Target to open, with about 75 people standing out front (I got there about 5 minutes before opening). An employee opened the doors to announce that they didn't have any. I knew GameStop wouldn't have them, and I wasn't about to go to Wal-Mart or the other Target. It suddenly dawned on me that Toys 'R Us was right down the street. I hoped in the car and swung by there, about 2 minutes before opening. There were only 2 folks waiting out front. They had over 20 Wii's in stock.

      I was dumbfounded that so few people thought to go by Toys 'R Us. It was such a different experience that I decided to always go there first when shopping for games.

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    25. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      how much they spend on toys for children per capita

      The U.S. would easily be #1. Why save money on healthcare or education when little Susie absolutely must have the new Tickle Me Elmo or the Cabbage Patch Doll? We can't have her be the kid that's not cool can we?!?!

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    26. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'll wait to see you next year.

    27. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well they never had anything like that, all the standard Chinese made stuff. Not different from your Walmart in any way.

    28. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by edwdig · · Score: 1

      You're in the area where land is cheap and Walmarts are huge. If you get into more densely populated regions, Walmarts are a tiny fraction of the size they are by you. Up in the northeast, a Walmart and a Toys R Us are often about the same size. While Toys R Us has a little baby stuff, Babies R Us is a separate store that's almost as big.

    29. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Giving away my age (neolithic) here, but for me nothing compared with the old Sears Christmas catalog.

      Same.

      Turned straight to the back of the catalog upon opening it every December in preparation for Christmas. Four decades later and I can still recall the thrill.

      The world is better in many, many ways, probably including any that involve children picking out toys, but I think something unique was lost to time there,

    30. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Toys R Us had a dumb business model. In the age of amazon and youtube they just do not offer a memorable experience. I assure you we are still buying our kids nerf guns and pogo sticks.. just not from toys r us.

    31. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by antdude · · Score: 1

      It's not just toys. It's many things like new stuff that I have never used before. I still prefer seeing, touching, trying, etc. for those. IO will buy online if I know the products and find cheaper prices that in person retail stores won't pricematch.

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    32. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/750787/global-toy-market-average-spend/

    33. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I barely remember the Sears Xmas catalog, but, yeah, nothing compared. Thanks for the small smile and fond memory.

      My wife sold to TRU back when they were a force. Their NJ based buyers were dicks to manufacturers. Her company varied to balance between small shops and the powerful TRU. They were already dead before the LBO.

    34. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was at one this week. They have a few interesting board games - not as much as a store dedicated to that though.

    35. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure target will be of a similar fate at some point. While I do like target for generally being cleaner and the clientele being cleaner as well, their stores are also feeling kind of drab these days. Every time I walk into a target it's like a flashback to the 90's. Walmart at least refreshes a lot of their stores every few years. Walmart stores also feel like the have a larger selection of many items than Target does. Look at examples like the sizes of the food sections, the automotive or outdoors products departments between the stores.

    36. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      Born in '59. When I was little we had stores called 'dime stores' which were filled with toys, but everything in the store was five or ten cents.

      Born in '58. Did you grow up in Canada? I know we called them 'dime stores' here, but I had the impression that Americans used the terms '5 and 10 cent store' or '5 and dime'. Anyway, Mom used to wheel me through Woolworth's and Kresge's in a stroller. Lots of toys to be sure, but even at the age of 3 I was much more interested in the hardware section, with its electrical connectors and batteries. My most beloved 'toys' were batteries, motors, magnets, old radios to take apart, flashlights and their bulbs - along with wire, and nails for making electromagnets. Also blocks of wood, disposable aluminum pie plates to cut into strips, and thumbtacks. I used those to make switches.

      When I got a bit older, I used to go to the hobby store downtown. A bit older still, and it was Niagara TV Supply, then Radio Shack. I never even heard of Toys 'R'Us until I was an adult.

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    37. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1

      "However, few things can compete with the sheer joy I had as a child when given the rare opportunity to roam the aisles of a Toys R' Us to discover, touch, test, and play with the toys. The "aisles" of Amazon are a poor substitute for a child."

      Buy stock in a thrift store chain then. The toy isle of a second hand store like value village is a kids paradise. all the toys are out of the annoying packaging, and free to play with and test. And there are very few toys over the 10 dollar mark.

      I usually get an hour of entertainment for average $3.99 and the kid walks home with a toy. Much cheaper than say, an amusement park. Toys r us I do continue to go to for things like lego or gifts for other kids. The canadian operations are still profitable from what i hear.

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    38. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by rworne · · Score: 1

      What was really interesting is that for a while when TRU went online, they did not run their own website - weren't they originally hosted on Amazon back in 2000?

      It appears so

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    39. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you can really put in perspective by thinking about the toy section in the local supermarket. Probably about the same size as when you were a kid. Around the same amount of stuff. To an adult it seems small, overly manipulative and full of overpriced junk. But it's the exact same thing that seemed huge and magical when you were a kid.

    40. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wimps. I was born a half hour early, so my parents punished me by making me get up a half hour before I went to bed. It sucked.

      (Apologies to Monty Python for this poor rip off of The Four Yorkshiremen.)

    41. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was. It closed last year

    42. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Learn to love libertarianism cause it'll make your life better.

      Tell me, what do libertarians do when a hostile foreign power plots to weaken another by seizing vital industrial resources?

    43. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      One of the fun things about the Internet is how much random data you can find in just a few seconds. For example, the toy spending per child of various countries.

      pretty much gaurantee the US would not be in the top ten.

      And you'd be totally and completely wrong. Try #3, roughly the same (within 3%) of the top two, Australia and Great Britain.

      Of course, you're also wrong in regards to the middle class and the rich and about austerity, so it's not a shocker that you're also wrong about toys.

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    44. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately the reason Toys R Us was equally uncompetitive in the UK was because of a chain in the UK called Smyths.

      They're everything Toys R Us were but without the rude incompetent staff, the extortionate above RRP prices, and the lies to get you in store such as "We price match, but when you come in and actually ask for one we'll almost universally reject it with an arbitrary excuse".

      God fucking riddance Toys R Us, you wont be missed. Smyths is everything you should've been - the wonderment for kids of high stocked shelves, no need for fake price matching policies because they're actually price competitive anyway, staff that are friendly and actually willing to help and replace any faulty product quibble free. Even on video games they're usually competitive, often even cheaper on launch day than Amazon, and the staff behind the video games counters are almost always real actual gamers who are as excited about the launch of whatever game you're buying as you are.

      So in the UK, the loss of Toys R Us is a good thing, it means no more rip off prices, no more rude staff, no more scams, no more refusal to adhere to their legal obligations under consumer rights law for faulty products and so on and so forth. Everything that was good about Toys R Us is present in Smyths, and then some - there's a reason Smyths have been opening new stores and expanding as fast as TRU has been closing them in recent years in the UK.

    45. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by darth.hunterix · · Score: 1

      Zug ogg 10 000 B. C. Aarrghaa. Guulasaaka!

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    46. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As with many other purported abuses of capitalism, there's an underlying flaw here:

      some jackasses figured out how to "borrow" money you have no intention of paying back

      If they keep doing this, why do people keep lending money to them? How did they even fool someone into lending them money the first time?

      You're relying here on the existence of a financier who has a lot of money, but doesn't really care about making sure they keep it. Such people tend not to exist: it's not a stable state.

    47. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Geeky · · Score: 1

      And they treat all customers like potential shoplifters. You can't take bags in (here in the UK), so you have to leave your other shopping at the bag check. I refused to go in once because I had my laptop bag with me and wasn't going to risk leaving that behind the checkout desk

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    48. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It kinda is surprising, as toys are, as you point out, one of the few things left where in-store sales and browsing works best.

      Kids these days want things like apps, subscriptions and video games, as well as traditional toys. Browsing isn't so important... And actually, even back when I was a kid most of the browsing I did was in catalogues.

      Toys'R'Us could have survived that if they had been better at making attractive stores that kids wanted to go to. Not the big warehouses they built, but destinations. I think the industry term is "retail theatre". It's like those "Build a Bear" places, it's pretty much impossible to survive just selling stuffed toys on the high street but they offer an experience that kids want.

      They essentially buy a business with the help of a massive loan, saddle the purchased business with the loan, and then extract every penny they can until the company cannot pay back the loan, and then it's bankruptcy, liquidation, and onto the next target.

      Which idiots keep lending them all this money?

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    49. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anecdotal evidence, but I can pretty much guarantee that the US would be in the top ten. It's amazing how much young parents or single parents will save during the year to spend during Christmas on toys for young children.

    50. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Baloney. Free markets do not exists with fiat currencies and international banking cartels.

    51. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like a bitter and unsuccessful person.

    52. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      or any work requiring any real level of intelligence- but rather just making smarter life decisions.

      Congratulations on your success - but this sentence is clearly contradictory, and you are obviously much more intelligent that you give yourself credit for.

    53. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by MageWyn · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I feel like there only reason anyone I know ever went to Toys R Us anymore was exclusive Funko Pop figures or Star Wars toys.

    54. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by HumanWiki · · Score: 2

      I was born 1985, I've been to Toys r Us less than 5 times in these 33 years.

      There just isn't any point in a toys only store. Even without the internet toys can and will be sold anywhere. They're literally competing against the whole world. Well they were anyways.

      Born in 1980 and have been to Toys R Us more times than I could count. While toys in general were sold in other places, TRU had way more selection and stock and even carried (in ours) things like RC cars/toys, trains, model rockets, etc. that other places didn't have or only had a very small supply of.

      Going to TRU as a kid was a huge deal for me, even if we weren't well off enough to buy too much from there. It was just fun to see all the neat and cool toys/model/hobby stuff in there and when you're young, the store was massive.

      I also had a KayBee toys in our local mall, but it was much smaller in supply than the TRU 40m away.

    55. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good gracious man! My kids are literally swimming in toys. They couldn't even open them all on Christmas in one sitting. The lack of toy buying power of grandmothers is NOT the problem. The issue is that kids don't need 10,000 new toys every single year, and all the parents my age are rejecting the rampant materialism that Toys R Us personifies.

    56. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by bobschmagogee · · Score: 1

      I remember the Sears Christmas catalog. We would wait all year for it. Our xmas lists would consist of page number, item number and item description. It was great.

      It's sort of sad, now my nieces and nephews just want money so they can buy their own things.

    57. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by drew_kime · · Score: 1

      some jackasses figured out how to "borrow" money you have no intention of paying back

      If they keep doing this, why do people keep lending money to them?

      The money is paid back, just not by the jackasses. It's paid back by liquidating all the assets and whatever pension obligations might have existed. If your goal is to extract maximum profit, when you walk away the target has to be worth $0.

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    58. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Maybe t-R-u's demise will help along some mom and pop toy stores that have gone out of their way to stock things that you might not find elsewhere and who know something about what they are selling.

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    59. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      The spring/summer catalog was better -- the models were wearing less ;)

    60. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon wasn't the issue. How much of the toy section on Amazon is even price-competitive? Only about 10% of the toy section on Amazon is from Amazon itself, the rest is from third-party sellers (usually at inflated prices). Big Bad Toy Store is a better comparison, but TRU had no problem coexisting with BBTS for over a decade. The real issues were that the industry is in a downturn (prices are up and the quality and quantity of product making it out to the market are down) and TRU really sucks at selling toys.

      Action figures in particular were huge for a few years (peak in 2008-2010), but things fell off quickly after 2012, TRU's last profitable year. Now you're practically forced to buy online because finding anything in any store is hit-or-miss. Want a fully-articulated 4" figure from any of the new Star Wars movies? They're exclusive to Walmart, cost about $13 each at regular price, and sell out in a day or two, with new stock coming in about once every 6 months. 10 years ago, every store was stocked with a dozen or more pegs worth priced at $5 and restocked every 6-8 weeks. It's the same story across many other brands.

      Not that you would be able to find most of those brands very easily at TRU. Despite their store sizes, TRU doesn't really have much more space dedicated to most brands, they just have more stuff. And it doesn't take very long for the stuff they have to be mostly what won't sell. Their Transformers section is about the same size as the Transformers section in Target or Walmart, but they get new stock less often, are slow to put old stock on clearance, don't have products on the right pegs, don't have the right prices on the pegs, and have random other stuff crowding things out. And it's usually in the middle of a crowded aisle with a dozen other brands, a pillar or two, and very little light. Their prices tend to be higher and sales less frequent. They do get exclusive products occasionally, but they jack the prices on those up to the stratosphere, if you can even find them.

      They did have a good rewards program that gave you frequent special offers and rewards coupons that you could use like cash. But the rewards money expired quickly, so it would probably expire before you found something worth using it on. And the other coupons came out so frequently that you knew better than to buy something without one. And they started requiring a driver's license to make returns for some reason, which is just a minor annoyance compared to the typical wait time to make a return (understaffed stores, undertrained staff, etc.).

      The bottom line is that, between price, selection, and overall experience, there was no reason to get anything at TRU that you could find somewhere else. And there was no reason to pay full price at TRU for anything you couldn't get somewhere else. When you have more reasons not to shop somewhere than to shop somewhere, that's a bad sign. And now that there's no reason to shop there, it's no big loss.

    61. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good ole KKR ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg_Kravis_Roberts ). Good news is that they get to see everything you buy on your credit cards - http://fortune.com/2015/10/21/first-data-ipo/

    62. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the parent: Yes online shopping has hurt retailers like Toys R Us, but the summary mentions a leveraged buyout - this is likely the bigger reason. Those result in an appallingly high rate of bankruptcy for the victim company.

      Well, that's kinda the point. You do the buyout, load the company with debt to the point of bankruptcy (and that debt gets turned into real money which goes into the pockets of the investors) and get rid of it in a fire-sale or let it fail.

      This has been done with Guitar Center several times, but every time it should fail it manages to creep back up until another set of vampires decides to enrich themselves on it.

    63. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations on your success - but this sentence is clearly contradictory, and you are obviously much more intelligent that you give yourself credit for.

      Or, you know, he could be making shit up. C'mon, you know what the real answer is.

    64. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the top 3 is in the top 10, you insensitive clod!

    65. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I say kinda, because the reasons are actually fairly well known and have nothing to do with Amazon or the Internet. TrU was bought a few years ago by an asset stripping private equity group. They essentially buy a business with the help of a massive loan, saddle the purchased business with the loan, and then extract every penny they can until the company cannot pay back the loan, and then it's bankruptcy, liquidation, and onto the next target.

      And it's all legal. So a bunch of people are losing their jobs because some jackasses figured out how to "borrow" money you have no intention of paying back. We need stronger powers for bankruptcy judges in this country, but good luck getting them when the executive is basically the people who pull this shit, and congress is basically a bunch of people owned by the people who pull this shit. .

      It's not legal. These sorts of plundering operations can be shown to be a violation of numerous rights "retained by the people" under the 9th Amendment, and "reserved to the people" under the 10th Amendment - and these rights are applicable to private entities, not just government.

      But the US legal profession is busy pretending the Bill of Rights mostly doesn't exist, because actual enforcement of the law would torpedo all of the unethical stuff they rely on for income (economists have estimated this amounts to half the income of the profession). They too are routinely violating the 9th and 10th Amendments, and they don't want to do anything to call attention to that fact.

      It's the software equivalent of writing really bad software, that does all kinds of harm to society - then pretending nothing is wrong and refusing to fix it, or worse, getting filthy rich off the problem instead of fixing things.

      Corruption in US government and law is deeply entrenched. It's not a conspiracy, simply the cumulative result of a lot of decisions made over the years by people lacking integrity - just like slavery and Jim Crow were. This is the modern equivalent - and people's lives are still being destroyed, just in kinder, gentler ways than in the old days. I guess that's an improvement.

      Society as whole simply doesn't understand the high price they pay for letting this sort of nonsense happen - and until more people start figuring it out it will keep happening - and the problem will get harder and harder to fix. It's not an accident that it took a Civil War to end slavery, something everybody with a functioning brain knew was wrong even back at the time of the Constitutional Convention more than 50 years before.

    66. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1

      no nothing staff

      Oh, the irony.

      hahaha

    67. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't mean Smyths will be any more successful.

    68. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by pots · · Score: 1

      That's a damn shame. I'm sorry to hear that.

    69. Re:A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      And you posted this to agree with me, or what? The poster I was responding to and quoted said that "the US would not be in the top ten." (Emphasis added).

      So yeah, that's what I said, being in the top 3 is part of being in the top 10....

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    70. Re: A loss for children. Adults, not so much. by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      Maybe t-R-u's demise will help along some mom and pop toy stores that have gone out of their way to stock things that you might not find elsewhere ...

      Problem is, just like A&P in the old days, the advent of TrU killed off a lot of the little local stores, and online shopping killed off the rest. The reason TrU was saddled with debt was that it already almost went under.

  5. Time to grow up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    All the Toys R Us kids have grown up.

    1. Re:Time to grow up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was a Children's Palace kid and when that store closed there was noting to fall back on like the kids today. They have Walmart, Target and online virtual toy stores. I had nothing.. Spoiled kids today.

  6. Corporate Raiders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Financial instruments of mass destruction.
    Think about all the common workers who broke their backs making the stores into a great place to shop.
    And how quickly the raiders can come in to destroy all that value.

  7. They didn't die due to "the Internet", etc. by klingens · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They died due to greed from owners and investors:
    "KKR, Bain and Vornado purchased Toys "R" Us in 2005 in a $6.6 billion leveraged buyout, but more than $5.3 billion of the purchase price was paid using debt."

    8 billions of debt, at least 5.3 purely due to the buyout. Maybe their future wouldn't be so good with Internet, etc. but it's not what killed them today, the leveraged buyout did.

    1. Re:They didn't die due to "the Internet", etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They died due to greed from owners and investors:

      Owners I'll grant, but investors? Nope, the term you want is corporate raiders.

      They feasted on the corpse of Toys "R" Us, and the rest of us bear the price of letting those vicious hyenas live.

    2. Re:They didn't die due to "the Internet", etc. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, I am sure they are thrilled their investment is going bankrupt. That doesn't make any sense. The buyout was in 2005. They were making money until 2013, when Amazon became mainstream. Amazon killed them.

    3. Re:They didn't die due to "the Internet", etc. by ErstO · · Score: 1

      Thats really the sad part of this, almost everyone loses, the investors that fronted the 8 billion in debt will get cents on the dollar they invested, the 33 k employees will lose their jobs

      I say almost because I am sure the principles at KKR, Bain and Vornado have been paid handsomely managing this mess they created.

    4. Re:They didn't die due to "the Internet", etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people who put up the $5.3 billion?

    5. Re:They didn't die due to "the Internet", etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon became mainstream in 2013? I have no idea what you might mean by that.

    6. Re:They didn't die due to "the Internet", etc. by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      More precisely, smartphones combined with Amazon killed them. Internet shopping before the smart phone became ubiquitous wasn't really as big of a competitor to brick and mortar because if you wanted to browse then buy you had to go to the store, find what you wanted, note it down, then go home and order it and *maybe* you could save a little money. Enter the smart phone and now you can you can browse at the store, then quickly check online to see if you can find it cheaper.

    7. Re:They didn't die due to "the Internet", etc. by deadwill69 · · Score: 2

      Try looking at their numbers and see if it makes more sense
      http://getfilings.com/o0001193...

      Little difficult to make money with all that debt payment they didn't have before.
      https://www.sec.gov/Archives/e...

      In 2005 they had $47m in long term debt. As of October 2017 it was $4.761B. Please explain to me how they acquired and additions 4+ billion in debt? Might it happen to have anything to do with a $7.5B buyout would it?
      https://www.bloomberg.com/news...

    8. Re:They didn't die due to "the Internet", etc. by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      "KKR, Bain and Vornado"

      I had to check to see if you made up that name. It sounds like the name of an evil organization from a 70's Saturday morning cartoon or something from the Tick. I'm picturing 3 villains sitting in a board room smoking cigars and laughing maniacally over all of the crying kids. KKR is dressed like a klansman, Vornado turns into a tornado full of cobras, and Bain kills anything he touches.

    9. Re:They didn't die due to "the Internet", etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't investors, they are scavengers. This is what Bain and Co. do. Look at their stable of companies, any time they do a leveraged buyout they saddle the original company with the purchase debt, strip it down for assets until it cant sustain itself, and then let it declare bankruptcy. They get the money out of the assets, meanwhile their debt to buy the company is wiped in a bankruptcy. They just finished doing this to sports authority only like a year ago

  8. That's too bad, I'm a Toys R Us kid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is simply another company that failed to hold on through the economic recovery of the last decade. The recovery we heard so much about over the last few years. That and a changing market competing with eSales and shifting parental demographic and they couldn't compete. Musk could buy them and offer Tesla service in every major city in the USA. Failing that Bezos could buy them and launch his drones from every city in the USA. :P

    1. Re:That's too bad, I'm a Toys R Us kid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The economic recovery of the last decade has overwhelmingly gone to the top-5% and a relatively narrow group of childless DINKs who are the only people who can afford the urban-cost-of-living 70-hour-week 'agile sprint' life in Tech, Finance, etc.

      The *majority* of children born in the US today are born to a mother who qualifies for Medicaid. That's poor! And it's literally 50%+ of births. The majority of K-12 students today qualify for free or reduced lunches. That's... pretty darned poor.

  9. Kids don't want traditional toys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Outside of tablets, fidget spinners and slime most kids aren't playing with toys any more.

  10. Not surprising. by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Their toys are mindless un-fun corporate shit.

    My kids are always bored there. We've found much more fun toys at Target, not to mention Amazon.com, whatever you think of both companies. We bought a potato-driven clock and a home-terrarium kit on Amazon.com for under $10 each that the kids enjoyed. They get TinkerCrate which they also enjoy, and I consider it expensive at $29 a crate. But walk into a Toys'R'Us and all you can get is 8" plastic action figures in garish colors for $49.99 each.

    Toys'R'Us should be called AMillionFlashyBrandedOverpricedActionFigures'R'Us.

    At least near us, the two stores had no science kits, no craft stuff, no learning toys to speak of, no building toys to speak of, no creative toys of any kind. The best section were bikes and skateboards in the back. The rest is literally wall-to-wall action figures from cartoons that my kids have never heard of because cartoons are so twenty years ago and we don't have TV. They are much more interested in apps than in TV.

    Toys'R'Us is selling toys from decades ago—thousands of them, all the same, and for 4x what they ought to cost.

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    1. Re:Not surprising. by kamapuaa · · Score: 4, Informative

      No. This is wildly untrue. There's huge amounts of science kits and craft stuff. There's some action figures, but really not that much. There's actually a large variety of toys, and given that Target has a smaller selection, a ToysRUs has all the toys a Target will have.

      They didn't do anything wrong, just the business model was outdated. It went the way of camera stores or bookstores. The way BestBuy or Fry's will go sometime in the next decade...swallowed by Amazon.com (and to a lesser extent, Walmart/Target). It costs a little bit more, and busy parents would rather order something online than drive 15 minutes down the road (or at least, that's how I am).

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    2. Re:Not surprising. by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      The ones near here were nearly 1/3 full of Lego sets and similar. Big wall of board games, outdoor toys like bikes. I suppose it probably varies by area.

    3. Re:Not surprising. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      No. This is wildly untrue. There's huge amounts of science kits and craft stuff.

      GP talked about his experience walking into his local store, and you cite as counterexample their website. That, sir, is bullshit.

      They didn't do anything wrong, just the business model was outdated.

      This thread is full of counterexamples. You may not have encountered them doing anything wrong, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. But you're sure that you know more than this whole thread full of people.

      That's dumb.

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    4. Re:Not surprising. by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      It's not that hard... There's a big damn button in the middle of the screen, "Store Pickup". 97 of the 114 items in the link posted are available to pick up locally in 1 hour. (Obviously ymmv based on your physical location. I'm in a metro area, I would expect Podunk would have a lower selection)

      The problem with the science kits and educational toys is they likely don't make as much money on them as they do on the TV/Movie/Cartoon related crap. Which one of those is going to be place more prominently in the store, have the most "features", and receive the most advertising? It's likely that all of the "good" stuff he was looking for was there, but drowned out over the noise of the "mindless un-fun corporate shit."

    5. Re:Not surprising. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's likely that all of the "good" stuff he was looking for was there, but drowned out over the noise of the "mindless un-fun corporate shit."

      Let's face it, even that would be a failure of the store. But most likely, there's only a tiny selection of that kind of stuff in the store if anything at all. Most educational toys have been pushed out to educational toy stores. I'd argue that the fact such a thing even exists is a testament to the failure of the big toy stores.

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    6. Re:Not surprising. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's likely that all of the "good" stuff he was looking for was there, but drowned out over the noise of the "mindless un-fun corporate shit."

      Let's face it, even that would be a failure of the store. But most likely, there's only a tiny selection of that kind of stuff in the store if anything at all. Most educational toys have been pushed out to educational toy stores. I'd argue that the fact such a thing even exists is a testament to the failure of the big toy stores.

      Ridiculous. Just go to the link or read the OP post... 97 out of the 114 items on that page are available in the store. How many stupid boring "science kit" things do you think there are? I would wager that toys r us has more of those items than any other store.

      Educational toy store? Never heard of em.

    7. Re:Not surprising. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the two stores had no science kits, no craft stuff, no learning toys to speak of

      As a kid, I would have been offended if Toys'R'Us pushed that crap in any significant fashion.

      Those're the "toys" my coddled neighbor - who was only allowed to watch the Disney channel and drink milk - received, or the "toys" I received from that one aunt. Good intentions, but so horribly limiting to the development of a child's imagination and self-exploration.

      I truly and deeply pity any kids who only receive toys that have an acute educational purpose.

      we don't have TV. They are much more interested in apps than in TV

      Well, have they ever tried watching TV? Have they ever been left to explore and find shows on their own? Or are their choices largely parent-driven?

  11. For me it was the Sears and Roebuck catalog by oldgraybeard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I grew up in rural northern Wisconsin on a farm 10 miles from a town with 800 people. It had a Sears and Roebuck store. Well no goods just a catalog order center, along with 15+ actual stores on main street. Once a year the new Sears and Roebuck catalog came out and in the fall came the Sears and Roebuck Christmas catalog and that was the object of childhood dreams.

    Sears another old company that is dying ;) Some brick and mortar will survive in urban areas. But the real retail sales numbers will be online sales. Especially in rural America, online sales (Amazon) is the new Sears. Sears could have done it, but they did not see that vision of an online future. Like most entrenched old players. They got to comfortable. An upstart had to come in with a new vision.

    Just my 2 cents ;)

    1. Re:For me it was the Sears and Roebuck catalog by Strider- · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sears another old company that is dying ;) Some brick and mortar will survive in urban areas. But the real retail sales numbers will be online sales. Especially in rural America, online sales (Amazon) is the new Sears. Sears could have done it, but they did not see that vision of an online future. Like most entrenched old players. They got to comfortable. An upstart had to come in with a new vision.

      The sad part is that Sears should have cleaned up when it came to the Internet. They had all the pieces to become what Amazon is today. Back in the days of yore, they had one of the most impressive computing systems to run their inventory management/prediction/ordering of any retail corporation. They also ran one of the early online services, Prodigy (along with IBM).

      And then, they rested on their laurels, and suffered the fate that they have. If anything, they should have converted their catalog system to the Internet, and started to shutter their retail operations. But they didn't.

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    2. Re:For me it was the Sears and Roebuck catalog by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It sounds like your 'Sears Catalog' experience colsely parallels a modern-day Amazon.com experience.

      Me, I was a nerd. I spent my adolescence with the Jameco and Allied Radio catalogs as wishbooks.

    3. Re:For me it was the Sears and Roebuck catalog by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

      Sweet I had those also during my life ;) Also JC Whitney auto.

    4. Re:For me it was the Sears and Roebuck catalog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my area, it seemed like Sears starting trying to compete with Walmart. Their once high-quality goods turned to cheap offshore-manufactured junk, and the stores started looking shabby. Stuff strewn all over with nobody left around who cared enough to clean up and arrange things.

      Same thing with Radio Shack, which turned to The Source and started trying to compete with Best Buy.

      Sad days, indeed.

    5. Re:For me it was the Sears and Roebuck catalog by sootman · · Score: 1

      And the ironic part is, Sears *started* as a mail-order-only company -- the 1800s equivalent to a modern online-only company.

      Sears, Roebuck and Company, colloquially known as Sears, is an American chain of department stores founded by Richard Warren Sears and Alvah Curtis Roebuck in 1892 and 1906... the operation began as a mail ordering catalog company and began opening retail locations in 1925.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears

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    6. Re:For me it was the Sears and Roebuck catalog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The CEO of Sears/KMart is an Ayn Rand follower. That's what killed it.

      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/e...

    7. Re:For me it was the Sears and Roebuck catalog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like your 'Sears Catalog' experience colsely parallels a modern-day Amazon.com experience.

      Me, I was a nerd. I spent my adolescence with the Jameco and Allied Radio catalogs as wishbooks.

      GP post is correct - Sears could have easily been 10+ years ahead of Amazon.

      You still can't buy a house from Amazon. You could from Sears.

    8. Re:For me it was the Sears and Roebuck catalog by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Sears another old company that is dying ;) [...] They got to comfortable. An upstart had to come in with a new vision.

      Sears turned into total shitlords. Their policies are bullshit and they can't go under soon enough. I've got Craftsman's most expensive torque wrench. The handle came loose, so you can't tell what torque setting you're requesting any more. But torque wrenches aren't covered by lifetime warranty like the rest of their tools, even if it fails because of a manufacturing defect that has nothing to do with the torque mechanism, so I'm just fucked. We bought an AC unit from them and it failed while sitting, probably due to ROHS solder on the control board which is what failed. Their repair guy first failed to find the problem on the first visit, then ordered the wrong PCB twice, then gave up on fixing it. This took so long that the warranty period expired, but the claim was already in process so no problem right? WRONG. As soon as the warranty period ended, Sears deleted any and all information about our purchase, INCLUDING THE ONGOING WARRANTY REPLACEMENT REQUEST. So then it took another couple of hours on the phone to get a replacement restarted. In the end, however, we wound up having to get an inferior unit. It was either take the crappier one (which used more power to do less cooling) or have no AC when it was over 100 degrees, so we took the crap AC. Sears can't DIAF fast enough for me.

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    9. Re:For me it was the Sears and Roebuck catalog by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The sad part is that Sears should have cleaned up when it came to the Internet. They had all the pieces to become what Amazon is today.

      Apparently not. Their e-commerce site was a flaming bag of dog crap and their prices were typically 2-4 times as much as Amazon's. They had neither the technical competence nor the managerial competence to carry that off. They had all the other pieces, though.

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    10. Re:For me it was the Sears and Roebuck catalog by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      We have similar stories in the UK with successful catalogue shops like Argos and Littlewoods. The problem seems to be that they were unable to see past their existing business model but "on the internet".

      They thought no-one would want to pay for postage. They thought people wouldn't want to wait in for deliveries, or even trust shopping by mail. They thought their web sites should be just like their catalogues, and definitely not full of user's comments and honest reviews.

      Actually Maplin, which just went bust, is a great example of this. First they did a catalogue on CD-ROM. Then the web site was a Flash monstrosity, where you actually had to flip through virtual pages and couldn't buy anything. Eventually they made it a normal site, but the search function and categories were terrible and half the stuff was out of stock permanently. User reviews were filtered so only positive ones appeared.

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  12. Sad, but by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

    Sad, as with all institutions of our lives, but at the same time, I'm surprised they lasted as long as they did.

    I can't think of anything you can find at a Toys R Us that you can't find at a Walmart, say. Amazon owns online toy sales. And even the nature of toys has shifted a lot.

  13. Memories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I remember walking through those isles as a child, in awe. Those tall glass walls on either side full of NES, Genesis, and SNES games. Domino rallies, Super Soakers, Lego sets.... Amazing memories. I hope children will still get to experience the same thing elsewhere.

    1. Re:Memories by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      ... Amazing memories. I hope children will still get to experience the same thing elsewhere.

      Between other posts about online shopping and my late-night dyslexia, I mis-read that as "Amazon Memories". O tempora o mores!

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  14. Customer Service by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Must've been ten years ago because my daughter was four, a couple weeks after Christmas they wouldn't let her exchange a duplicate toy with a copy of the receipt because her grandmother (300 miles away) was the purchaser.

    Everybody involved was pissed or upset except for the smarmy clerk who was delighted to disappoint by enforcing corporate policy. I hope she got a promotion and stayed with the company.

    Since then she's had an Amazon wishlist and sometimes gets Walmart gift cards. Because both of them (especially Amazon) do a petty good job with customer service.

    Toys R Us will say that Walmart and Amazon killed them - but in reality they self-destructed.

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    1. Re:Customer Service by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Walmart is 'crappy' in some ways, but they have over-the-top customer-friendly customer service counters. You can return about anything, and since the employees are just Walmart Employees, they don't care. It's a no-brainer to buy anything you might want at WalMart because it's so easy to change your mind if you have second thoughts. And that's even with stuff like Laptops and Tablets.

    2. Re:Customer Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must've been ten years ago because my daughter was four, a couple weeks after Christmas they wouldn't let her exchange a duplicate toy with a copy of the receipt because her grandmother (300 miles away) was the purchaser.

      Everybody involved was pissed or upset except for the smarmy clerk who was delighted to disappoint by enforcing corporate policy. I hope she got a promotion and stayed with the company.

      Since then she's had an Amazon wishlist and sometimes gets Walmart gift cards. Because both of them (especially Amazon) do a petty good job with customer service.

      Toys R Us will say that Walmart and Amazon killed them - but in reality they self-destructed.

      So much of this. We brought diapers from babies r us on sale, then next week we realized that we need 1 size bigger. They would not allow us to exchange (even it was the same price for both items during the sale or not). They will only allow us to refund the sale price product and but it again at regular price currently.

  15. Good riddance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those stores are just a painful reminder about how my parents wouldn't take me there and buy me toys. I hate that place.

  16. I didn't wanna grow up, I was a Toy's R US kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until Icahn's leveraged buyout and liquidation of them.

  17. Combination of 2 factors by GerryGilmore · · Score: 1

    One, of course, is "the internet" though - IMO - a truly innovative company could easily adapt to that but when you combine the corporate piracy of private equity loading these companies with debt (which, Oh! BTW! Precludes making the necessary investments to make "One" no just less a threat but a real opportunity) in order to make them more attractive for selling off, then you have this kind of mess. Marx called it: it's the Capitalists who will kill capitalism, sadly.

  18. Bained by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    Yet another company that got Bained. Kay-Bee had the same thing done to them. Can we just ban leveraged buyouts already?

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    1. Re:Bained by john+of+sparta · · Score: 0

      without LB's Toys R Us would have closed 13 years ago. no one else would pay the money TRU wanted.

    2. Re:Bained by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I don't know why people are blaming the investment companies. They aren't thrilled their investments are going bankrupt. They bought it over 13 years ago.

    3. Re:Bained by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You keep repeating that. You keep getting told you're wrong. They got paid already by liquidation of each of thier victim's assets. The "investment" is a loan they took out and then made the victim company be the loan holder which then files bankruptcy. They put very little real money of thier own in these things. They get a loan they never intend to pay back. The fact you can't grasp this and continually say the investors wouldn't do such a thing is the a reason you don't have a multimillion dollar company. If you can tank a company and make a profit, then that's what'll get done. There are plenty examples of this yet you keep defending these sharks. Fuck both of you.

  19. Toys Rn't Us by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    A new chain of empty store fronts brought to you by Toys Rn't Us. Right next to your local Radio Shack.

    1. Re:Toys Rn't Us by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      All that open and cheap retail space: it's an opportunity for more flea markets.

    2. Re:Toys Rn't Us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jails r us

    3. Re:Toys Rn't Us by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Is it even retail space anymore? Or just empty? There’s a 60’s era suburban strip mall near me that today is mostly low-end retail (check cashing, fly-by-night tax returns, that kind of thing) if it’s occupied at all. The department store that was its anchor is now a datacenter, but only because it’s across the street from an AT&T central office and the rent is next to nothing. From the outside, it looks boarded up (to disguise its function, no doubt).

  20. Children's Palace by the-matt-mobile · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My mom used to work at Children's Palace (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_World), which was a competing toy store in the 80's. Toy R Us would build their stores right next to them to try to put them out of business. When the weekly flyers came out for sales on things like baby food and diapers, Toys R Us would send their employees over to Children's Palace to buy up all the sale items in the flyer so that they were out of stock, causing angry customers - many of whom were low income. Toys R Us minions would sometimes just throw away the merchandise in the trash outside the store after their raids. My mom had a lot of stories about their guerrilla retail tactics. Toys R Us eventually won out and Children's Palace went out of business, but my parents never let us go there. Bankruptcy couldn't have happened to a more deserving company, albeit 30 years too late.

    1. Re:Children's Palace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Props to your mom for loyalty, I guess, but maybe she should have just taken the cashier's job at Toys R Us instead.

    2. Re:Children's Palace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Curious: why didn't the folks at Children's Place recognize the TRU raiders and simply refuse to sell to them? By the second or third time the CPers must have known what was going on, no?

    3. Re: Children's Palace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The convo is about business ethics, not employee loyalty.

    4. Re:Children's Palace by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      I bought my first Super Soaker at Children's Palace. Good times.

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    5. Re:Children's Palace by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      Or why not put crappy old inventory on sale and let Toys R Us come over and buy all of it? Or purchase limits per customer?

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    6. Re:Children's Palace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Children's Palace got us started on the first Star Wars toys and models.

      Miss them!

      I went back a couple years ago and sure enough: there's a ToysRUs nearby. The original CP no longer exists.

  21. End of a generation of kids who went to toy stores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The *majority* of America's children today qualify for free or reduced lunch. https://nces.ed.gov/programs/d... That was 30% and even a little below in Toys'R'Us '85-'95 heyday. (And the qualification hasn't changed... 185% of the poverty line). And even a little above average now is pretty poor (family of 4 making a whopping $39,000 gross... that kid is too rich for reduced lunch. That's above average now!). Healthily middle class families with kids are simply getting rarer and rarer.

  22. Watch out for the robots by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess I'm going to have to let my kids roam the aisles of my local Amazon warehouse. Just stay out of the way of the robots.

    1. Re:Watch out for the robots by Snotnose · · Score: 1

      Knowing my kids (at least the way they were 30 years ago), they'd be riding the robots.

      Now they'd be busy trying to keep their own kids off the robots.

      grass. You know what to do.

    2. Re:Watch out for the robots by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      If they rode the Amazon robots, they would end up packed and shipped.

  23. I loved Toys R Us as a kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As a kid I wanted to work there when I grew up. Its a sad day. So many toy stores have closed.

  24. Re: Without TV & Internet, Toys-R-Us would sur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if children had limited TV and no Internet, then the brick and mortar store would be a surprise to visit and your choices would be what you saw..

    the touch and feel and buy experience is gone for some toys, maybe not so for bicycles..

  25. Bastards by Beeftopia · · Score: 2

    The private equity consortium that bought Toys R Us in 2007 and loaded it with 7.5 large in debt. When I think of it, I can only think of the Dr. Cox quote from Scrubs: "Do you know what they are mostly? Bastards. Bastard coated bastards with bastard filling."

    And they laughed all the way to the bank.

    1. Re:Bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad Mitt Romney left Bain in 2002 or else there could have been a way to tag this on him in the upcoming election.

  26. case study: why why why by epine · · Score: 1

    TrU was bought a few years ago by an asset stripping private equity group.

    If this model works so great, why don't the pirates buy Google, too? Just imagine the size of a Google squeeze.

    Obviously, the underlying reason that TrU was targetting in the first place is because it was a vulnerable business, clearly facing into a stiff, online-retail head wind, and the bottom-feeding pirates could clamber aboard at an affordable hoard of highly leveraged ducats.

    Why #3: What prevented TrU from defending itself with the appropriate iocane poison pill?

    I don't happen to know enough about this to answer that question, but the reason can't be that they had never heard of the Princess Bride.

    1. Re:case study: why why why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't happen to know enough about this to answer that question.

      Didn't stop you from blithering on, though, did it?

  27. Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How come they aren't closing all their Canada locations? I live right beside one in Canada and the parking lot is always packed but you'd think they would have the same general problems.

  28. well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they only sell console games. They should have bought GOG or valve (or make their own app store) and sell PC games. That would offset their physical toys nicely.

  29. Sears' problem was the nut job running it by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    he took that Ayn Rand Atlas Shrugged nonsense to heart and pitted his staff against each other in competition. The idea was the weak would perish and the strong thrive. In practice they stabbed each other in the back since it didn't matter how bad your team did so long as the other team did worse.

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  30. New Ownership by macdaddy357 · · Score: 1

    What remains of the chain will be sold to a group of African-American investors who plan to rename it We B Toys N Shit.

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  31. Last time I went in one by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

    Where are the Jarts?

  32. Moving to Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While the Toy-r-us closes all its US stores, its stores in Asia are not affected

    In other words, Toy-R-Us is moving its operation to Asia

  33. Re: Not necessarily. by az-saguaro · · Score: 1

    Growing up in the Philly area, we had Kiddie City, which was much like Toys R Us, and it was okay to go there sometimes, but not really great. By the time Toys R Us showed up, I was old enough not to care so much, and I agree with the comment here that it "was like a KMart from 20 years ago, poor, uncovered fluorescent lighting, drab interior, know nothing staff". For me, there were two toy shopping experiences that trumped everything.

    One, looking through the Sears catalog. Sears was the wizard of merchandising, they knew what people liked or wanted, and what to stock and how to show it off in their catalog. Even if I didn't buy anything from it (well, cajoled my parents to buying something for me), it let me know what I wanted to buy if I walked into Kiddie City. It was the reverse of book browsing in modern day Walden Books then buying on line at Amazon. There was something beguiling about "shopping" at home that way. It would be nice if Amazon and other modern online retailers created more of a catalog or browsing experience like those old mail order catalogs used to be. It would be a nice mix of old and new paradigms, taking the best of what worked from each.

    Two, the corner drug store. When mom and dad needed a weekend alone, we got to stay with the grandparents, who were ever over-indulgent. One of the biggest treats was walking a block up to the corner drug store (independent, pharmacist owned, quaint, and packed solid with merchandise along narrow isles in a small space) to get goodies. One of those narrow racks had the kid stuff. There might not have been much by the standards of a Toys R Us, but I never failed to find a toy plane to fly or a plastic model to build or some cheap board game that was a good excuse to have fun with my grandparents or cousins. I'll take that experience over Kiddie City and Toys R Us any day of the year.

  34. Current Geoffrey Dollars to Bitcoin Exchange Rate? by theodp · · Score: 1

    So, too late to exchange those old Geoffrey Dollars for Bitcoin?

  35. Worked for them mid-00s. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their computer systems were long in the tooth by then. They didn't have per-store printing of the in-store prices, meaning that our ORIGINAL location, not being one of the later standardized floorplans, didn't have defaults that matched the shelves pricing placards, resulting in 3+ hours every other day replacing updated/sales prices on every changed item in the store. They wasted a lot of man hours doing this, in addition to moving limited inventory merchandise to the clearance racks/bins and replacing the empty bins/racks with the new items.

    It was a huge clusterfuck, before getting into what departments did what jobs, giving bonuses to cashiering/sales staff while giving beratement to backend staff (ie inventory, marketing, etc, important for the cashiers to get good reviews, but not getting any of 'most sales/best customer service' acknowledgement that cashier/sales staff got.)

    I wasn't there for long, and visiting a few times in the next 2-3 years afterwards, only a few oldtimers were still working there. Sears was going downhill before the K-mart buying and from everything I was told only got worse after it. The irony of the matter was: K-mart had gone through a bankruptcy that let it hold onto all its cash, while Sears was making a minor profit, had tons of assets and no debt, and somehow managed to get bought out by a company only a few months/years out of bankruptcy who was somehow flush with cash... Someone explain that to me, because it seems to explain how this Toys R Us thing played out.

  36. Because Toys R Us turned into junk plastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember walking the aisle of guns, plastic, cap-guns, some event metal. I remember the aisle of transformers and all the other cool robots. I remember the lego aisle, GI Joe and action figure aisle...where have all the good toys gone?

    Kids these days...don't even get a chance to play cowboys and Indians because it's not PC (heck even the stupid spell-check in /. capitalizes "indians"). Forget about guns or anything so non-progressive. I'm not saying that guns, playing cowboys and "Indians", or robots are the way to save Toys R Us, but sterilizing kids imagination and ability to push the edge seems to be a little backwards I think. Ever try to keep a compression spring compressed with your fingers...at some point the spring wins and that's what we're seeing today. Later Jeffrey...maybe the zoo will take you.

  37. Stock buybacks by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    Hindsight is 20/20, but it is amazing that you would have to point out to a highly paid "business" executive that maybe there is a better use for billions of dollars than stock buybacks. If they had invested that billion in 1998 in ways to better compete in the future, who knows.

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  38. Closing in the UK too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except over here the mainstream media rhetoric is to blame "brexit".

    I've lived in the UK and US, Toys-R-Us has been pure garbage for many years both sides of the pond. They have the same grotty stores, same lack of staff, and many of those they have are worse than Walmart checkout workers. How the company lasted so long would be a worthy discussion.

  39. Just another by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

    Debt riddled husk leftover from a leveraged buyout plundering by private equity.

  40. Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always considered Toys R Us to be the Radio Shack of toy stores: piled high with cheap garbage and staffed with indifferent drones.

  41. Not surprising by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

    Toys R Us jumped the shark back in the mid-90s when they started reducing inventory and changing their store layouts to be more like a boutique of toys rather than a warehouse of toys. Followed by dropping long-time employees in favor of illegal (low-wage) immigrants and reducing the number of cashiers. For a brief period of time in the early to mid 2000's they attempted to take online seriously with decent deals and fast shipping but even that went downhill fast. It's shocking they never bothered to invest more heavily into online sales. There is no online store offering serious discounts on toys. Back in the 1980's it used to be possible to walk into a Toys R Us and buy toys no more than a year old that were on sale for 30%-50% off ("look for the orange sticker") now you will be paying full price or more than full price anywhere you go.

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  42. So how many bankruptcies is this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I seem to remember them "shuttering" all their stores back in the 80's. In fact as a kid that's when I was finally able to afford the TI/99-4A Extended BASIC they had in stock (was normally like $90 but "closing" clearance for $30).

  43. Bain comes up a gain by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    Bain keeps popping up today, like a blight let's see Toy's R US and now I Heart Radio and what do they have in common? LBOs lead by Bain.

    These private equity firms create nothing except debt and huge profits for themselves and their customers.

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  44. Other People's Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much do you want to bet that the so-called Masters Of The Universe got paid, and paid handsomely, shortly after the deal closed? Those useless clothes racks don't have to account for the results of their work.

    To other commenters, suggesting that the Toys stores are dingy or poorly stocked. I cannot prove this, but one reason for poor store outfitting would be... lack of money due to high corporate debt levels.

    When you loot the till there are consequences.

  45. Retail apocalypse by roxywuppy · · Score: 1

    What a very big CEO called it. In such a booming economy. Paper Tiger.

  46. My First Computer came from Toys R Us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My dad bought me my first computer from Toys R Us... It was a Commodore VIC 20. It came with a book about programming BASIC iirc, and that was my first exposure to programming. Now I sit here at my desk browsing slashdot and wasting time while my code is compiling.

  47. The thing: If you take kids into a TOY STORE by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    and they walk around for a few minutes with a distant look on their faces and then ask to leave, it is a shitty toy store.

    I have no idea if they had a science kit in the back somewhere, or the microscope we got at Target on a top shelf somewhere (no doubt it would have cost at least double what we paid at Target) but the fact is, I have two young kids and on the couple of occasions we've gone there (once to spend a bundle of grandparent-given birthday money), both kids were, like *so meh*.

    If you're a toy store and kids don't want to be there, you have a serious problem.

    There are a couple of local independent toy stores, on the other hand, that they absolutely LOVE. You have to fight to get them to leave. We only shop these maybe a couple of times a year the prices are still high to me for what you get compared to online, BUT they have a very different selection of toys from brands that I don't remember on Saturday morning cartoons, not to mention very engaging displays, both of which the kids are fascinated by—it all generates that same "wow!" look that tells you the kids are fascinated. And I'd say that 35% of what the local independents stock isn't easily available online. From said local toy stores in the last year we bough a big dragon kite, a set of fairly difficult 3-D cast metal puzzles, a large bow and arrow set with foam-tipped arrows that actually has very real-life action and shoots arrows about 100 yards, a strategy game called Rubber Road that they really like, a Bloxels set, and a cool card game called Evolution that the kids are willing to play for hours and that actually does a reasonable job of illustrating the concept of natural selection in a very basic, reductive way (it's supposed to be for 12 and older, and it cost $40 ugh, but they love it anyway even though they're both under 10).

    We never sighted stuff even remotely like this at our local Toys'R'Us stores. Instead, the board game aisle features about 50 variations on Monoply which of course we already have because there are eleventy billion sets already being passed down in families out there, a few ill-conceived highly branded board games that appear to be more about representing the characters to keep the kids interested in the TV property and drive ad revenue, plus a bunch of "gross out" games—plastic toilets that spray water in your face, random catapults that fling slime at the players (for which they're happy to sell extra slime on the side), etc. No strategy. Barely any rules. And the "toy" aisles are labeled with big signs: Disney. Marvel. Hasbro. Mattel. Crayola. etc. It's all organized by what appear to be brand-sponsorships, yet each aisle seems to have essentially the same stuff, just with different faces and costumes and paint jobs and packaging slapped on them. Bubble-packs of action figures hung on hooks. Below them, their "vehicles," "weapons," or "transport animals" in boxes. Supporting or minor characters toward either end of the aisle, major "characters" from the film/cartoon/etc. in the middle. All overcolored and overpriced and boring as sin.

    To make matters worse, it's all $30-$50 for these cheap little hunks of plastic that really don't stimulate the imagination at all, or up to $hundreds for variations on the concept of "play house" (or castle or fortress or whatever) for said hunks of plastic. I mean, this stuff is just random brightly colored shit without much replay value or learning value, is not inspiring in the least, and would cost $3 at a Chinese import bric-a-brac store if not for the brand stamped on it and the overdone bubble packaging and loud labels IN ALL CAPS WITH EXCLAMATION MARKS! The Crayola aisle at least has creativity stuff, but the local Wal-Mart stocks the same crayon box sizes for $0.99 (for sixteen crayons) to $5.99 (for sixty-four) vs. starting at $3.49 for sixteen crayons. Who is going to pay $3.49 for a box of sixteen crayons? Or $7.99 for a 100-sheet sketch pad of not particularly high quality paper? WTF?! Particularly when the exact same items, t

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  48. pointless anecdote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many places can you not carry bags in besides a coffee shop or other place where everything valuable is behind the counter?
    It's obvious they had a specific problem with shoplifters at the specific time you went there.

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  50. What Garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...Toys R Us would have closed 13 years ago."

    Really? They would have closed 13 years ago, without the corporate raiders?

    Or maybe, and more likely, Toys R Us would have kept operating, profitably, without a buyer to loot the place? Or maybe, Toys R Us would have found a more compatible buyer at a cheaper price, which is what happens when you are determined to sell but cannot get the price you want?

    Your views are nihilistic. "Toys R Us was doomed! Either they die 13 years ago or they die today, so it makes no difference what happened. Thus we are relieved of any responsibility of examining the actions of the suits."

    Being burdened with crushing debt as a result of an LBO has consequences. Maybe Toys R Us would have used a strong balance sheet to upgrade their stores. Maybe they would have purchased other retailers. Maybe they would have successfully transitioned to an online world, with whatever fleet of bricks and mortar outlets made sense for them. And whether they would have or not at least they would have had a chance.

    Debt limits your options. High debt kills your options. If you cannot see this then you are no kind of businessman, no financier, and no investor. You are an apologist for corporate raiding and pillaging.