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Microsoft Says Windows 10 Spring Creators Update Will Install in 30 Minutes (bleepingcomputer.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Microsoft has announced that the upcoming Windows 10 major feature upgrade -- dubbed the Spring Creators Update -- will take around 30 minutes to install, unlike previous variants that took between one and two hours to complete. This boost in installation time is attributed to work engineers have done on the "Feature Update" process -- the name Microsoft uses to refer to its bi-annual major OS updates. Microsoft says that this Feature Update process actually consists of two separate phases -- the "online" and "offline" stages. During the "online" phase, the user's computer downloads the necessary update files and executes various operations in the OS' background without affecting the device's battery life or system performance.
Those are some amazing engineers. They developed a way to download data and run system operations without using any CPU or energy. Simply amazing.
Fuck your spyware update.
But more important: How long will the rollback to a usable system take?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Many other OS can do this with a simple reboot.... some projets/research can make it with no reboot
Also it will install whether you want it to or not
What they really mean, is that 30 mins into your work, the update will install. It will not be able to be cancelled, or deferred, it will install in 30 mins, like it or not. It will take 3-4 hours to install, but hey, you have 30 mins to save your work,and hopefully have your files back when you need them.
Sounds like the install process involves changing so many files, that just creating a duplicate Windows folder with hard links to unchanged files and pre-copying the new files would make the process go a lot faster. On reboot, just rename Windows to Windows.old, rename temp directory, and move updated registry and user settings into place.
Why just about every single file needs to be replaced during these upgrades is the real question.
Windows 10 Fall Creators Update has so far managed to completely brick (no kidding!) 6 of my 9 computers (with genuine windows).
Only 3 of them has not received the unfixable* blue-screen-of-death when installing the Fall Creators Update.
(*Yes, unfixable, the update destroys the partition, and there's no way to get it back, you can fake-create it back, but the update then destroys is again, and again.)
I've had to roll back 3 of them to Windows 7, and 3 of them is still broken, since I haven't had the time yet to complete reinstall everything on them. I'm thinking "Linux", and throwing away my Windows licenses.
So... Now you're giving me "Spring Creators" you say?
Lovely.
I thought the flu season only happened once per year.
I could download the image to a USB drive and have the OS re-installed with all of my programs and setting back in 30 minutes. Let alone 1 or 2 hours.
The fact that 4xxx, 5xxx, 7xxx,10xxx rpm as well as SSDs all perform the same during installation is amazing. I'm sure RAM and CPU differences will have no effect at all. If I install the update on my 1.6 mhz CPU with 10mb RAM in ober 30 minutes will I be able to sue for false advertising?
Speaking for myself all of this downtime for no tangible benefit isn't worth it nor is constantly dealing with the aftermath of what broke or changed behind your back this time. Computers are supposed to be tools.. vehicles to get shit done yet vendors seem hell bent on wasting everyone's time with nonsense.
I must say being impressed with 30 minutes of downtime in the age when production systems can be migrated across physical systems with seconds or less of downtime is like being awarded a medal for crossing the finish line hours after everyone went home and roads re-opened to vehicle traffic.
But I'd be a hell of a lot more interested if Microsoft didn't decide to install updates over my express wishes not to.
i've tried so many methods out over the past few months that i'm not even entirely sure what to attribute it to, but thank god it has finally stopped. i don't need any more "features" dumped onto me, why half these things even exist is beyond me.
Do you mean real minutes? Or do you mean Microsoft 'minutes'? New, improved, bigger, better Microsoft minutes!
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
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Amazing technology!
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
No it fucking won't.
The millennial that doesn't like most of the stuff designed for millennials.
Ubuntu installs in only 28 minutes! So, yea. Ill try that instead.
I had a machine I serviced that would not install the fall creator's update, with a non-specific error message.
I was both impressed and horrified to learn that that fall creators update would searched the *ENTIRE* hard drive for incompatible software. It was failing because it located an old copy of the Netware client Installer, in "C:\Old_Computer\Documents and Settings\User\Downloads\Novell". This software wasn't even installed on the computer; just present in that directory. The built-in updater failed w/ a general error, and the downloaded copy of the update claimed "You must uninstall this incompatible software", which, again, was not actually installed, just present on the hard drive.
Now I know *why* Windows takes forever to install updates :(
Why aren't you encrypting your e-mail?
Windows 10 installs faster to an ssd then it extracts itself from the iso to the flash drive. 10 minutes setup and 5 more probably after reboot.
No your computers were not "bricked". Unless you had to remove the flash chip or hook up the JTAG programmer your hardware isn't even remotely bricked. Sounds like you are better suited to iDevices.
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...torments you for months. Save yourself some grief and dump that turkey.
> Microsoft Says Windows 10 Spring Creators Update Will Install in 30 Minutes
Whether you want it to or not.
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About as long as it takes to install an entire Linux distribution such as "Linux Mint" without updating as it goes? Ummm..k. "A" for effort good buddy.
But the headline: "Microsoft Says Windows 10 Spring Creators Update Will Install in 30 Minutes" did lead me to think it would start installing in half an hour from now. And I'd be unable to stop it.
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This is the equivalent of an apt-get dist-upgrade on Ubuntu, not a simple update. The 30 minutes sounds like it is the portion that occurs after the reboot, not the download and update itself. I'm trying to recall if there is anything I have to do after a dist-upgrade on Ubuntu once it reboots,..
dd if=windows.img of=/dev/sda1 bs=512k without fucking everything up? Does Windows prevent imaging somehow if you're not a corporate license? Siduction LXQt installed in about 5 min from a "toram" environment. Of course "toram" takes a couple of min itself.
Stop worrying about reboots, stop worrying about hardware mysteriously ceasing to function, BSOD, lockups, endless looping boots, constant re-installs after jiggering around too much with regex keys and files and etc etc. No losing all your data, no having your OS suddenly tell you you cannot use an application you installed/purchased...NONE OF THE BS
Honestly, just go to linux, it is such a breath of fresh air, your computer just gets used for work and none of this weird insane behavior happens ever.
I am at a complete loss as to why institutions don't entire go linux, I get the home market for gamers, even there though your spending so much time baby sitting the broken spyware pile of crap that is windows when you could just be having a working computer. I hear a whole lot of corporate users saying 'well then our applications will not work' to which my reply would be 'then why the hell didn't you develop the app as a web platform which was independent of any OS or hardware in the first place?' It is like they use that excuse while not realizing that the guy who recommended they build their application in .net just got a mysterious paycheck from m$ and is now driving a brand new BMW, HINT HINT it is because he just royally screwed you and your entire company over because you were too technologically impaired to think for two seconds about what would be a proper solution.
P.T. Barnum was right, the answer is so blazingly obvious and right in front of everyones face and yet, here we all are discussing an operating system that should have been relegated to the trash heap decades ago.
Look, I'll be the first one to say that Windows Update in Win10 is basically indistinguishable from malware at this point. The forced updates are written with the assumption that the user wants them, that the software is an improvement over the old, and that the user's time is better spent waiting for the update to complete than whatever it is they would otherwise be doing with their computer.
All of these problems need to be solved. However, I will acknowledge the intermediate step being taken here. The amount of time an update takes to install is a major part of the problem here. If the monthly updates took five minutes and the semi-annual updates took 30, instead of the hours they currently take, I think it would go a long way to solving the other issues.
The massive question mark here is the hardware being used to make these claims. "a current-gen i7 with 32GB of RAM and a high end Intel SSD" taking half an hour? That's crap. "a six year old Celeron with a 5400RPM, 250GB laptop drive and 4GB of RAM" taking half an hour, on the other hand, is pretty impressive.
I just disabled Windows Update Service because of the TiWorker.exe was eating 50% of CPU and visibly slowing my computer even when I wasn't actually doing much else. I presume that TiWorker is "Online" part of the Update, and it definitely was slowing my computer down significantly. I don't think there is any surprise that this headline is just another empty promise.
Microsoft Says Windows 10 Spring Creators Update Will Install in 30 Minutes
No, they did not say that. They said the "offline" part of installation will take 30 minutes (down from 82 minutes for the Creators Update and 51 minutes for the Fall Creators Update). They are just moving more of the install to the "online" phase. Total time should be about the same. The only advantage is that you can still use your computer during the "online" phase.
How about a longer lead time for a heads up Slashdot? If I hadn't read the article when I did I would have been surprised by the update when it rebooted my computer. And I don't even use Windows! Whose decision is this?
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Wouldn't that be "boost in installation SPEED?"
Upon starting Windows 10 update install, order a pizza. If all goes as plan, both should be ready at same time.
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I'm trying to recall if there is anything I have to do after a dist-upgrade on Ubuntu once it reboots,..
And sometime you don't have even to reboot.
Have a look at 'needrestart' package. It's a plugin to dpkg that can automatically identify which services use files (such as libraries) that got overwritten during the upgrade, and give you the possibility to restart them.
So if it's not a big upgrade (like between two refreshes of the same LTS on Ubuntu, or a point release of Debian stable), you might postpone the reboot.
openSUSE has the ' zypper ps' command doing a similar detection (but you have to type the 'systemctl restart {blah}.service' yourself), which is pretty much useful on a rolling release distro like Tumbleweed which has extremely frequent but tiny updates (do these updates affect any executables that are currently running ?)
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I don't know who these people are that took 2 hours to install the prior updates. None of my systems ever took that long.
cause everything but you login is local...your not even allowed hard drive space no more its on there govt controlled could ( hosting server)
Download Fedora 27, burn an install DVD, install Fedora (wiping Winshit) reboot, customize, and have a stable, non-spying, fast OS. In the remaining 15 minutes you can have a donut and cup of coffee while laughing at your co-worker throw a stapler through his Windows screen because it bricked something during the update.
Updating my chromebook takes less then 30 seconds and my Linux laptop (not my chromebook) takes 5 minutes to update the entire system (and it's an aging computer).
If you have read what Microsoft has said, they are moving things from the offline stage to the online.
They also stated that this would significantly increase install times. They figure at least a 20% increase because the online portion is being done in a low priority process, meaning you can use your machine while the online portion is running and the install should not affect you all that much. Unless of course you are pushing the limits of your machine with gaming, video editing, or 3D rendering.
So when is Microsoft going to fix the problem of having to sit through the hours-long update process and answer wizard questions HALF-WAY-FUCKING-THROUGH it? Put the stupid questions at the beginning of the process so I can answer them and go home and have the update finish on its own overnight.
Or better yet, stop making Windows version updates a separate process from Windows Update.
It'll be a story when they let me decide which 30 minutes.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
Microsoft tripping all over itself causing white NAG SCREENS to install the Fall Creators Update on my employers computers, stuck in failed update loop and takes 1.5 hours every time to download and FAIL.
I firewalled the updater app from the network so at least it fails fast now.
No recourse. That's business. Help me obi...
How apt, the captcha is 'hinders'
With big updates from MS, you never know whether your PC will work afterwards.
"This boost in installation time"
Duh. I think you meant "This reduction in installation time."
Fucking idiots.
Boy, does this sound like a Windows user trying to be mouthy. How adorable.
"OS" and "driver" are rarely separate. If your drivers are not in-kernel, you should think carefully about why. Most distributions will leave a couple recent kernel versions in /boot/ if you want to roll back your kernel. It's also fairly common to separate /home/ and /, which allows you to blow away the OS completely and replace it in a few minutes. The package management systems of course also give you the ability to install arbitrary collections of software packages. Also, unless you're on a bleeding-edge distro, there's not a lot of "fuck your system up" updates. We test these things, yanno?
Microsoft did updates wrong. Sorry you're just finding out.
...without affecting* the device's battery life or system performance.
*this will totally affect the device's battery life and system performance.
more clarity please! I read that and thought "oh no, my work machines, this was posted hours ago and the 30min are up"...!
"will take 30min to install" would have been much better!
I think you probably meant (apt-get dist-upgrade) on Debian not on Ubuntu. On Ubuntu the equivalent is do-release-upgrade.
As I understand it, it's Dell's responsibility to triage problems reported by Dell customers and aggregate them for escalation to Microsoft.
I wish my previous post had actually made it up there.
Was posting from a Android and the captcha barfed?
Had problems with a work computer rejecting the fall creators update over and over and the user hid it from me for weeks. Each time it ran it would download gigabytes and take the system down for 1.5 hours minimum. I firewalled the update program and it fails quickly every time now.
Now I have heard from a friend the Spring update tried to install and failed with insufficient space, only discovered after the installer had done most of the work. More HOURS wasted.
Microsoft you continue to amaze me.
I pity you poor Windows users who have to put up with this kind of constant abuse. And many of you have now developed Stockholm Syndrome where you sympathize with your abuser. When will you wake up and realize that you don't have to live this way? Switch to Linux before it's too late for you. Your life is ebbing away while you watch that spinning "Please Wait" disk.
It will install in 30 minutes* provided you meet the recommended system requirements of a 16 core CPU with RAID-0 NVME** and thirty or so chickens for ritual sacrifice.***
*Minute defined as Distribution Format Minutes or approximately 1.28 standard minutes.
** Flash array requires per-die access license.
***Said chickens must be supplemented by a Poultry Access License