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Microsoft Says Windows 10 Spring Creators Update Will Install in 30 Minutes (bleepingcomputer.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Microsoft has announced that the upcoming Windows 10 major feature upgrade -- dubbed the Spring Creators Update -- will take around 30 minutes to install, unlike previous variants that took between one and two hours to complete. This boost in installation time is attributed to work engineers have done on the "Feature Update" process -- the name Microsoft uses to refer to its bi-annual major OS updates. Microsoft says that this Feature Update process actually consists of two separate phases -- the "online" and "offline" stages. During the "online" phase, the user's computer downloads the necessary update files and executes various operations in the OS' background without affecting the device's battery life or system performance.
Those are some amazing engineers. They developed a way to download data and run system operations without using any CPU or energy. Simply amazing.
But more important: How long will the rollback to a usable system take?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Sounds like the install process involves changing so many files, that just creating a duplicate Windows folder with hard links to unchanged files and pre-copying the new files would make the process go a lot faster. On reboot, just rename Windows to Windows.old, rename temp directory, and move updated registry and user settings into place.
Why just about every single file needs to be replaced during these upgrades is the real question.
Windows 10 Fall Creators Update has so far managed to completely brick (no kidding!) 6 of my 9 computers (with genuine windows).
Only 3 of them has not received the unfixable* blue-screen-of-death when installing the Fall Creators Update.
(*Yes, unfixable, the update destroys the partition, and there's no way to get it back, you can fake-create it back, but the update then destroys is again, and again.)
I've had to roll back 3 of them to Windows 7, and 3 of them is still broken, since I haven't had the time yet to complete reinstall everything on them. I'm thinking "Linux", and throwing away my Windows licenses.
So... Now you're giving me "Spring Creators" you say?
Lovely.
I thought the flu season only happened once per year.
Speaking for myself all of this downtime for no tangible benefit isn't worth it nor is constantly dealing with the aftermath of what broke or changed behind your back this time. Computers are supposed to be tools.. vehicles to get shit done yet vendors seem hell bent on wasting everyone's time with nonsense.
I must say being impressed with 30 minutes of downtime in the age when production systems can be migrated across physical systems with seconds or less of downtime is like being awarded a medal for crossing the finish line hours after everyone went home and roads re-opened to vehicle traffic.
As a non-Windows user, I read this headline and assumed 30 minutes was a regression, not an improvement. Previous updates took 1-2 hours? What the hell are you doing with all that time? I can go from a blank hard drive to a fully up-to-date Linux installation with all my personal applications and configurations in place in 30 minutes. An update should be considerably faster than that, and certainly shouldn't take my machine out of commission for more than a minute or two.
Do you mean real minutes? Or do you mean Microsoft 'minutes'? New, improved, bigger, better Microsoft minutes!
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Amazing technology!
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No it fucking won't.
The millennial that doesn't like most of the stuff designed for millennials.
I had a machine I serviced that would not install the fall creator's update, with a non-specific error message.
I was both impressed and horrified to learn that that fall creators update would searched the *ENTIRE* hard drive for incompatible software. It was failing because it located an old copy of the Netware client Installer, in "C:\Old_Computer\Documents and Settings\User\Downloads\Novell". This software wasn't even installed on the computer; just present in that directory. The built-in updater failed w/ a general error, and the downloaded copy of the update claimed "You must uninstall this incompatible software", which, again, was not actually installed, just present on the hard drive.
Now I know *why* Windows takes forever to install updates :(
Why aren't you encrypting your e-mail?
No your computers were not "bricked". Unless you had to remove the flash chip or hook up the JTAG programmer your hardware isn't even remotely bricked. Sounds like you are better suited to iDevices.
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> Microsoft Says Windows 10 Spring Creators Update Will Install in 30 Minutes
Whether you want it to or not.
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About as long as it takes to install an entire Linux distribution such as "Linux Mint" without updating as it goes? Ummm..k. "A" for effort good buddy.
But the headline: "Microsoft Says Windows 10 Spring Creators Update Will Install in 30 Minutes" did lead me to think it would start installing in half an hour from now. And I'd be unable to stop it.
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This is the equivalent of an apt-get dist-upgrade on Ubuntu, not a simple update. The 30 minutes sounds like it is the portion that occurs after the reboot, not the download and update itself. I'm trying to recall if there is anything I have to do after a dist-upgrade on Ubuntu once it reboots,..
Look, I'll be the first one to say that Windows Update in Win10 is basically indistinguishable from malware at this point. The forced updates are written with the assumption that the user wants them, that the software is an improvement over the old, and that the user's time is better spent waiting for the update to complete than whatever it is they would otherwise be doing with their computer.
All of these problems need to be solved. However, I will acknowledge the intermediate step being taken here. The amount of time an update takes to install is a major part of the problem here. If the monthly updates took five minutes and the semi-annual updates took 30, instead of the hours they currently take, I think it would go a long way to solving the other issues.
The massive question mark here is the hardware being used to make these claims. "a current-gen i7 with 32GB of RAM and a high end Intel SSD" taking half an hour? That's crap. "a six year old Celeron with a 5400RPM, 250GB laptop drive and 4GB of RAM" taking half an hour, on the other hand, is pretty impressive.
It is Microsoft and Windows. This is the ONLY operating system from the ONLY vendor where a program can be "running" yet doing zero I/O, consuming zero CPU, and having no detectable peripheral or internal usage whatsoever (ie doing nothing with memory either) yet take forever to get anywhere (as in, installing ANYTHING on Windows, where it will sit "doing nothing" while it is "getting ready to install", sometimes for hours).
I wish they would do away with all this crap and just make the update work properly. I can download 100 GB a heck of a lot faster (elapsed time wise) than the cruddy Microsoft crappola can figure out which 2K it needs to download.
Also, when I install something or perform an update I want it to GO GO GO GO GO to the point that some required resource (I/O, CPU, RAM Bandwidth, whatever) is 100% consumed. If no resource is 100% consumed then what the heck is the crap doing? Is it the "sleep for (10000 - version) seconds delay so that you are fooled into believing that each version is faster than the previous when all it really is, is that each version wastes less time doing nothing?
Microsoft Says Windows 10 Spring Creators Update Will Install in 30 Minutes
No, they did not say that. They said the "offline" part of installation will take 30 minutes (down from 82 minutes for the Creators Update and 51 minutes for the Fall Creators Update). They are just moving more of the install to the "online" phase. Total time should be about the same. The only advantage is that you can still use your computer during the "online" phase.
How about a longer lead time for a heads up Slashdot? If I hadn't read the article when I did I would have been surprised by the update when it rebooted my computer. And I don't even use Windows! Whose decision is this?
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Wouldn't that be "boost in installation SPEED?"
I'm trying to recall if there is anything I have to do after a dist-upgrade on Ubuntu once it reboots,..
And sometime you don't have even to reboot.
Have a look at 'needrestart' package. It's a plugin to dpkg that can automatically identify which services use files (such as libraries) that got overwritten during the upgrade, and give you the possibility to restart them.
So if it's not a big upgrade (like between two refreshes of the same LTS on Ubuntu, or a point release of Debian stable), you might postpone the reboot.
openSUSE has the ' zypper ps' command doing a similar detection (but you have to type the 'systemctl restart {blah}.service' yourself), which is pretty much useful on a rolling release distro like Tumbleweed which has extremely frequent but tiny updates (do these updates affect any executables that are currently running ?)
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So when is Microsoft going to fix the problem of having to sit through the hours-long update process and answer wizard questions HALF-WAY-FUCKING-THROUGH it? Put the stupid questions at the beginning of the process so I can answer them and go home and have the update finish on its own overnight.
Or better yet, stop making Windows version updates a separate process from Windows Update.
It'll be a story when they let me decide which 30 minutes.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
With big updates from MS, you never know whether your PC will work afterwards.
It's not the worst product they've ever put out. Not by a long shot. See: Windows ME.
At least Windows 10 is useable and functional at what it's designed to do. And yes, it's designed to spy.
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As I understand it, it's Dell's responsibility to triage problems reported by Dell customers and aggregate them for escalation to Microsoft.
Maximum time to do an update on my i7, 16GB RAM machine, has been 37 hours! version to version 1703.
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