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CDs, Vinyl Are Outselling Digital Downloads For the First Time Since 2011 (mercurynews.com)

Digital downloads had a short run as the top-selling format in the music industry. It took until 2011, a decade after the original iPod came out, for their sales surpass those of CDs and vinyl records, and they were overtaken by music streaming services just a few years later. Now, digital downloads are once again being outsold by CDs and vinyl, according to the Recording Industry Association of America. From a report: The RIAA released its 2017 year-end revenue report on Thursday, showing that revenue from digital downloads plummeted 25 percent to $1.3 billion over the previous year. Revenue from physical products, by contrast, fell just 4 percent to $1.5 billion. Overall, the music industry grew for a second year straight. And with $8.7 billion in total revenue, it's healthier than it has been since 2008, according to the report. Nearly all of the growth was the result of the continued surge in paid music subscription services like Spotify and Apple Music. Those services grew by more than 50 percent to $5.7 billion last year and accounted for nearly two-thirds of the industry's revenue. Physical media accounted for 17 percent, while digital downloads made up just 15 percent.

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  1. Amazon autorip by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been buying CDs and never opening them when the CD version is cheaper or the same price as than the streaming version due to Amazon offering "AutoRip" on many CDs.

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    1. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Kids are using YouTube to listen to music, they don't buy music anymore.

    2. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad to know it's not just me!

    3. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's cheaper just to rip them from YouTube. It's not like digital is less popular. You can't count this sort of thing just by sales, lol.

    4. Re:Amazon autorip by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      If I understand you correctly you are suggesting pirating as the cheaper option?

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    5. Re:Amazon autorip by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's cheaper just to rip them from YouTube. It's not like digital is less popular. You can't count this sort of thing just by sales, lol.

      Geez...does NO one care about fidelity at all anymore?!?!?

      Or, is that most modern music is so badly composed, performed and so compressed, that it isn't worth it to buy a good copy and play it on a really nice stereo system?

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    6. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course he is. Welcome to Slashdot. Let me give you some points of how things run around here:

      • It's not piracy. It's copyright infringement. Because, heaven forbid we use a term with negative emotional connotations to call out user's piracy.
      • Piracy is not stealing, because it doesn't deprive the record store of the CD which they can sell to someone else. It doesn't matter, in Slashdot-think, whether we deprive the content creator money for their hard work.
      • Content creators have an intrinsic desire to create content and don't care if they don't get paid. They, like Slashdot posters arguing this nonsense, live in their basements with their mommys and have no expenses (no mortgages, no food bills, no utility bills, etc.).
      • Piracy Copyright infringement actually increases sales, because everyone who gets a pirate copy immediately goes out and buys a legal copy once they decide they have properly "tried" the content.
      • The reason why music sales declined once Napster and other file sharing sites took off is because the quality of music went down so much, people just decided to stop buying music. It has nothing to do with the ease of stealing music which the sharing sites enabled.
      • Musicians did not get paid for recording music for centuries before it was possible to buy a record, so it's OK if musicians don't get paid because people steal share copies of their music.
    7. Re:Amazon autorip by OrangeTide · · Score: 5, Funny

      As long as I can drink rum and have a parrot, I don't care what you call it.

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    8. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a big proponent of lossless audio ripped from CDs, however YouTube offering HD audio is often "good enough" for most people running subpar listening equipment.

    9. Re:Amazon autorip by alex67500 · · Score: 1

      You forgot one point: " I'd pay the artists something if I had a chance, but the majors eat up all the revenue along the way, so why bother? "
      Otherwise it's a good sum up of the last 10 years of /. regarding copyright, indeed.

    10. Re:Amazon autorip by VernonNemitz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Owning legal copies of music is cheaper in the long run than paying over and over again for streaming it. And one debacle after another, in the digital-music-storage industry, has made it clear that that type of ownership is not as trustworthy as owning hard copies like CDs or vinyl.

    11. Re:Amazon autorip by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      Beyond a certain point, no, nobody cares, because you really can't hear the difference. I've listened to FM radio since I was 12 years old (and still do, and that's a long time now); if it's at least that good, then I'm happy enough.
      That one time I was streaming 128kbps MP3's over stereo Bluetooth, however? That sounded awful, because BT uses it's own compression, on top of what the source is compressed with. Won't do that again.

    12. Re:Amazon autorip by Kjella · · Score: 1

      As long as I can drink rum and have a parrot, I don't care what you call it.

      The eye patch, peg leg and that all the music is shanties is kinda a downer though.

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    13. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you've got some strong buyer's remorse over your Sonos system.

    14. Re:Amazon autorip by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

      Owning legal copies of music is cheaper in the long run than paying over and over again for streaming it. .

      It is?

      Buying one CD a month cost more than what I pay for streaming each month. And who bought just one per month?

      To each their own - I prefer to pay a nominal fee and have a giant catalog at my fingertips, that I don't need to worry about storing, backing up, converting, dusting off, agonizing about whether I want it anymore or to throw it away, etc.

      I've been through having to switch services (miss you MOG, sniff) and yeah, I had to build new playlists, etc. but it wasn't a big deal for me.

      I can understand why some people want to own it. But to each their own. Streaming works for me.

    15. Re:Amazon autorip by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What do you mean "any more"? The fidelity of a song downloaded from Youtube is much, much, better than a stereo tape recording of a clear, strong, FM radio broadcast, and probably better than a vinyl record too

      It might not be as good as CDs, let alone DVD Audio or SACDs, but it's a hell of an improvement on what we had in the past.

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    16. Re:Amazon autorip by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Owning legal copies of music is cheaper in the long run than paying over and over again for streaming it.

      Not if you enjoy a large variety of music. Man, if I were to buy the records, just my in interest in jazz from the late '50s and early '60s would cost me enough to pay for streaming for 10 years. And that's only one of the many types of music I like.

      Also, I'm able to sample a lot of new music without having to lay out the price of a CD or digital download. If I want to hear what Destroyer's new album, KEN sounds like, I can do so with practically zero investment. And if I don't like it, it hasn't cost me anything..

      In the days I used to buy physical media, I would periodically have to bring boxloads of CDs and vinyl to the used record stores and I'd only get a small fraction of what I paid. Some people like physical media. They like the artifact of an album with its liner notes and vinyl disk and the whole ritual of taking out a record and putting it on a turntable. I never really did. I just want to hear the music. Fortunately, we have lots of choices.

      On the other hand, the streaming business model for artists sucks, so I tend to buy a lot of CDs and vinyl to give as gifts for friends. If I want to support an artist, I see if I can buy the media direct from them.

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    17. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can still listen to Alestorm.

    18. Re:Amazon autorip by kiviQr · · Score: 1

      True but you forget about fast fasion crap everywere - even in the music. Everyone listens to a single song 500 times then they move to next "hit".

    19. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. I'm in my early 30's, and most of what I'm interested in listening to can be found on vinyl in thrift shops; I get huge amounts of music for almost nothing. Anything else that I want to listen to, I just use YouTube, ripping and saving the stuff I want to keep. No advertising, no cloud BS, no money squandered.

    20. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bored enough to refute this

      -Piracy implies personal profit from infringing material, which 99% of "pirates" do not do
      -Record stores don't create content, the artists create content, and there are a myriad of ways to support them without middlemen
      -Content creators, outside of the independent scene, are paid by publishers/labels before their content is released, and even then they only receive a small percentage after the record store/label takes their cuts
      -There have been multiple studies proving piracy does increase sales by providing advertising or allowing people who were otherwise not interested in paying full market price to get a taste of the content in question
      -Music in the late 90s/early 00s was indeed pretty shitty, with the rise of nu-metal and oversaturation of grunge rock
      -Musicians were paid before recording was possible, either as buskers, troubadors, orchestral players or as personal musicians to the elite rich folk, also see my third point

      Piracy exists because current solutions do not provide sufficient competition. Gabe Newell went on the record saying as much, and worked on Steam to develop it as a more convenient and useful alternative to the rampant piracy of PC games. Considering he's now worth billions without being in a publicly traded company, it would behoove the recording industry to take a lesson from his example and figure out how to make music purchasing more convenient/value-added to consumers rather than using draconian practices that drive people to pirate in the first place.

    21. Re: Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I pirate music, why the hell would I buy it?

    22. Re:Amazon autorip by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Only if you don't buy very much music at all. I used to spend $50-100 on music every month, sometimes more. Compare that to Spotify, which charges $10/month (and sometimes offers a reduced yearly payment).

      Now I just buy a lot of merch instead.

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    23. Re: Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people listen to music on ear buds or other not-hifi equipment.

      It really sucks only listening to music in one room of your house.

    24. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are good reasons to use Youtube besides just piracy.

      Youtube has a big selection, possibly the biggest. Stuff I can't get off iTunes or other sources, I find on Youtube.
      Youtube is extremely accessible. You don't have to create accounts or log in. Just go to the website and there it all is.
      Youtube is easy to search.

      Downsides:

      Quality varies.
      Multiple versions of the same track that you have to sort through.
      Have to go through steps to convert to mp3, and many of the conversion sites and apps are risky malware pushers.

    25. Re:Amazon autorip by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I wish you the best of luck finding all of the old jazz albums on streaming.

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    26. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just use YouTube, ripping and saving the stuff I want to keep. No advertising, no cloud BS, no money squandered.

      You can also save a lot of money by shop lifting.

      Is copyright infringement the same as stealing? I don't know, is having an artist perform a service and not paying them wrong? Is it fraud, larceny and/or theft?

      What would you think if I agree to pay you to mow my lawn, then I don't pay you. Perhaps because I know that someone else on the street probably paid you to mow their lawn, so you aren't going to starve or anything. (or whatever bullshit I want to use to justify ripping you off)

    27. Re:Amazon autorip by OrangeTide · · Score: 1, Troll

      -Piracy implies personal profit from infringing material, which 99% of "pirates" do not do

      listening to music is your profit. You made use of a service, even if you didn't deprive someone of property.

      -Record stores don't create content, the artists create content, and there are a myriad of ways to support them without middlemen

      99% of "pirates" do not do this.

      -Content creators, outside of the independent scene, are paid by publishers/labels before their content is released, and even then they only receive a small percentage after the record store/label takes their cuts

      Then listen to independent artists that you pay directly if you can't agree to the arrangement in main stream music. If I don't like how gas stations work, I don't start siphoning gas out of random people's tanks

      -There have been multiple studies proving piracy does increase sales by providing advertising or allowing people who were otherwise not interested in paying full market price to get a taste of the content in question

      Certainly an interesting factoid. But is a society where you can receive a good or service without paying to the agree to price the kind of society you want?

      -Music in the late 90s/early 00s was indeed pretty shitty, with the rise of nu-metal and oversaturation of grunge rock

      Pop music from every era is shit. That's what makes it pop. If you want music that is 100% free and artistically significant then listen to public domain classical.

      -Musicians were paid before recording was possible, either as buskers, troubadors, orchestral players or as personal musicians to the elite rich folk, also see my third point

      Times have changed. Musicians who were skillful and well connected had patrons to keep them clothed. That's not how things work today. It is nice to reflect about history, but anachronism is not a good excuse for violating the implicit agreements of commerce.

      P.S. - you can live in a cave if you really don't like the constructs and rules we have in society.

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    28. Re:Amazon autorip by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      I wish you the best of luck finding all of the old jazz albums on streaming.

      I wish you the best of luck finding all of the old jazz albums on streaming.

      You're way off-base. They're on Spotify. DigitalDust's Rudy Van Gelder playlist is 500 tracks long and that's just the Rudy Van Gelder Editions. jazzwhat has a playlist of records on the Impulse label from the 60s and 70s that goes 2,364 tracks deep. That's just one label.

      There are jazz records on Spotify that aren't even in print any more so you can't buy them on CD or vinyl at any price. European and Japanese editions that would cost over $100 to buy on Amazon. Two of those would cover my entire Spotify subscription for a year. Two records.

      Even if you were talking about pre-1930s jazz records, there are lots and lots of them on Spotify (or Google Music, which has about the same catalog). Do you think you could find more by digging for 78s at garage sales?

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    29. Re:Amazon autorip by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      That's great then. I'm still struggling with finding certain R&B albums for sampling.

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    30. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or I can keep pirating the mainstream stuff while purchasing CDs/concert tickets for the independent stuff, that's been working out pretty well the last 20-some years.

      Demonize the pirates all you want, but entire genres of music wouldn't exist without piracy. Also, I see how you didn't bother to refute the final points, where piracy has proven to be a better value-added proposition to users. You can talk of constructs and rules, but those don't change the fact that piracy will continue to exist until companies start making purchasing music a better value-added experience. The growth of streaming and resurgence of vinyl are good examples, since streaming allows you to sample any music you like for a flat monthly fee (usually less than the cost of a whole CD), and pirating physical vinyl is relatively tricky unless you're adept with silicone, not to mention has a different sound.

    31. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids are using YouTube to listen to music, they don't buy music anymore.

      Dude, your grammar fucking sucks. Please learn how to use punctuation properly.

      You need either a period:

      Kids are using YouTube to listen to music. They don't buy music anymore.

      or a semicolon:

      Kids are using YouTube to listen to music; they don't buy music anymore.

    32. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the contrary, pirating music caused good artists to quit because they couldn't afford to make CDs, and touring is not possible for a lot of people. Piracy took away good artists and gave us Justin Bieber.

      $20/CD may sound high, but it kept the musicians going. These days, there is no way to make money as a musician unless you tour, thanks to piracy, and now streaming.

    33. Re:Amazon autorip by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      That's great then. I'm still struggling with finding certain R&B albums for sampling.

      Really? I'm surprised. I listen to a lot of R&B and I haven't really found big holes in the catalog.

      Back in the early 80s, I did some keyboard work on house records made in Chicago and released on boutique labels for club-use. I can imagine some of them aren't available, but the real sample-worthy stuff should all be there.

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    34. Re: Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gonna cry hipster douchebag...?

    35. Re: Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a true hipster douchebag.

    36. Re: Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ZOMG...itâ(TM)sa gramma nazi or should I say sub standard human with nothing better to do....REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

    37. Re:Amazon autorip by c-A-d · · Score: 1

      It's a combination. modern music is so badly composed, performed and compressed that there is no difference between the youtube rip and a CD.

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    38. Re:Amazon autorip by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      I want my music to go with me. What I need is the ability to listen to my Music when I am out in the middle of the boondocks with no cell service at all. I still get Sirius/XM most or the time, but while they do have a great cross section, when I want to hear Thelonious Monk, I want to hear it now, and I rarely ever get a chance to hear Gamma, or Blue Oyster Cult. If I buy the CD I can rip it to mp3 and then I can listen to it when ever, where ever I I am at. I absolutely love being in my Jeep, on top of a hill in the middles of no where listening to the https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Makes feel a kinship to Gen. Patton. You just know he saw the entire world through a filter of this movement.

      https://www.brainyquote.com/qu...

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    39. Re:Amazon autorip by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Yes, you're right. Nobody cares about fidelity at all anymore.
      When you listen on headphones or cheap bluetooth speakers, there is no fidelity.

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    40. Re:Amazon autorip by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I want my music to go with me. What I need is the ability to listen to my Music when I am out in the middle of the boondocks with no cell service at all.

      Spotify allows you to download the music you want as part of the subscription. I'm pretty sure Google Music does too.

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    41. Re: Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then listening is artists profit too, perhaps even more. they are not in it just for money

    42. Re:Amazon autorip by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      Really that would be worth looking into. I am Amazon hooked, I've prime, video and a Kindle E-reader on kindle unlimited that I use the heck out of. I've got hundreds and hundreds of pieces of music still on 4 track and cassette, not to mention many, many cd's and GB's of mp3 on a spare PC I use for that purpose alone. One of these days my cassette player is going to quit and I am not going to be able to recover it. I finally gave up on 8 tracks a few years ago because I could not find replacement parts but I was never able to recover some of the music. It has just gone out of publication.

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    43. Re:Amazon autorip by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I've got hundreds and hundreds of pieces of music still on 4 track and cassette, not to mention many

      I can relate. I've got my old Tascam 4-track deck in the basement with a cabinet full of reels. My wife keeps after me to clean them up, and by clean them up, she means, "throw them out". I figure when it comes to original music, I can always make more, so I might just do it some day.

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    44. Re:Amazon autorip by rklrkl · · Score: 1

      This is true - even outside of Amazon, you will find CDs are often cheaper than their equivalent downloads (whoever thought 99p was a good price for a single download track is off their rocker). Autorip is useful, but it's almost as easy to run your favourite CD ripper (I use Grip on Linux) to get mp3's off your CD, the latter of which you just nicely file away as a backup.

      I usually then upload the MP3s to Google Play Music for free and can then download/cache any of them to any of my Android devices very easily. Bizarrely, Google Play Music will often track-match and switch the download quality to a higher bitrate, which I don't mind.

    45. Re:Amazon autorip by antdude · · Score: 1

      I only buy specific songs instead of those albums unless they have options to buy specific songs in a disc.

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    46. Re:Amazon autorip by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I want my music to go with me. What I need is the ability to listen to my Music when I am out in the middle of the boondocks with no cell service at all.

      So is that when you sit down under a tree, pull your turntable, amplifier, speakers and stack of vinyl out of your backpack, set up the solar panels, and play some Dixieland?

    47. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have been multiple studies proving piracy does increase sales by providing advertising or allowing people who were otherwise not interested in paying full market price to get a taste of the content in question

      Bullshit. Pure bullshit.

      The fact of the matter is this: Piracy decreases sales. Do you remember record stores? OK, yeah, I get it, you live in your parent's basement all your life so you haven't seen one. Well, it used to be possible to find stores near your home which sold nothing but records. They went out of business. They went out of business a couple of years after file sharing became mainstream. You're going to need more than an assertion of some imaginary study to convince me the reason record stores went away in the early 2000s has nothing to do with Napster and all of its clones which popped up a couple of years before.

      Really, are you really this dumb, or are you just trolling? If piracy increased profits, we would have gotten more and more record stores in the late 1990s after Napster made music piracy mainstream, not having record stores close down.

      Personal profit? Being able to listen to music you want to listen to has value. Anyway, an anonymous Slashdot idiot doesn't get to redefine terms just because he doesn't like the accurate negative connotations they have.

      Supporting artists without middlemen? Sure, so tell me, who was the last artist whose music you bought on Bandcamp? Yeah, that's what I thought. For the record, unlike you, I just bought an album on Bandcamp this week -- and I suggest to anyone reading this thread who actually gives a shit about hard working musicians to do the same thing.

      Sure, some people didn't like late 1990s music, but that has been true with every new generation of music; synth pop was pretty offensive to heavy metal fans, yet those synth pop records made a lot of money. You're going to have to do better to convince me, and anyone who hasn't drank the Slashdot bullshit pro-piracy kool-aid, that had anything to do with the reduction in sales and closing of record stores in the 2000s.

      I'm just hearing a lot of Slashdot echo chamber bullshit here. Until you're willing to admit that piracy did decrease sales in the late 1990s and resulted in all those record stores closing down, I'm going to just ignore you.

    48. Re:Amazon autorip by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Demonize the pirates all you want

      This is not a religious discussion, it's a discussion on ethical behavior.

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    49. Re: Amazon autorip by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      That's certainly a choice an artist can make. And when they do so they generally tell you by offering the music for free. I listen to a fair number of musicians who release under a Creative Common license (CC-SA-BY)

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    50. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, I wouldn't be as annoyed if these pirate losers would just be straight up honest: "Yeah, we're screwing over the hard working artists, but we are too selfish to care for other people's feelings and rights because our desire to have something for nothing trumps musician's need to make a living making music."

      So those musicians stopped making music and started programming computers. I had a friend who played bass with Metallica. Last time I saw him, he was working as a test engineer for a software company.

      For anything except cheap-to-make electronic music, quality of music has gone down, thanks to piracy.

    51. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, another thing: Steam. Steam didn't provide some magic content which made gamers want to pay for music. Steam provided strong DRM which makes Piracy all but impossible. Trust me, Gamers aren't buying Steam games because Steam provides some magic value. Indeed, I have seen a lot of online moaning about Steam.

      Piracy is also why you can't have a LAN party with a modern commercial game unless everyone is connected to the official game server over the Internet.

      Streaming, by and large, screws over musicians; they are making a fraction of what they did when CDs sold well. No, not enough people are buying their music on Bandcamp to make up for the loss in CD sales.

    52. Re: Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm going to just ignore you."

      Challenge accepted!

    53. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There have been multiple studies proving piracy does increase sales" linking to actual studies would help.

      The parent is probably referring to Cammaerts et al., 2013. That study had poor methodology, as described in Parry et al., 2014.

    54. Re:Amazon autorip by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      I wish I had the talent to make more original music. The closest I can come is making original instruments that I can barely play. I've managed an Irish Harp, a mandolin and a square banjo in the hillbilly style. I can read music so I can test the notes but I could not play anything beyond scales to save my life.

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    55. Re:Amazon autorip by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      LOL, hardly I pull out my stand alone mp3 player and pop in an earbud, or more often I plug the thing into the radio in the auxiliary slot and listen to what I want. The point being there is no radio beyond the satellite service, and no cell service. When we get out into the canyon lands, even the satellite radio becomes unreliable and all communication breaks down to very local CB service. Just because I choose to listen to an eclectic variety of music doesn't mean live in the past. I personally don't subscribe to the fact that vinyl is 'better' than digital, especially considering vinyl is produced from a digital master. It just happens to be where some of the rarer Jazz piano recordings I really love reside.

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    56. Re:Amazon autorip by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I've managed an Irish Harp, a mandolin and a square banjo in the hillbilly style. I can read music so I can test the notes but I could not play anything beyond scales to save my life.

      Those are all very cool instruments. The thing about playing every day is that you get better whether you want to or not. Make some kind of music every day, even if just for a few minutes.

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    57. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copyright infringement is not the same as theft, because no sale is lost or deprived from the content holder. There's no way to prove that someone that downloads something for free would've paid for a legit copy had they the opportunity.

      Your real world example falls apart because it is a breach of contract. The only contract we've agreed to is a social one, and with the RIAA and other content owners increasingly tightening their grip on media and flouting fair use and copyright expiration laws, there's no reason to hold fast to defending their "right of sale" these days.

    58. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I want to support an artist more directly I buy their music on Bandcamp and can also gift a copy to friends from Bandcamp as well. Now not all artists are on Bandcamp...yet...but their collection is growing and most of the indie stuff I listen to is there.

    59. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tough to make a living when studios and pirates both take their cut.

    60. Re:Amazon autorip by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      I wish you the best of luck finding all of the old jazz albums on streaming.

      I wish you the best of luck finding all of the old jazz albums on streaming.

      You're way off-base. They're on Spotify. DigitalDust's Rudy Van Gelder playlist is 500 tracks long and that's just the Rudy Van Gelder Editions. jazzwhat has a playlist of records on the Impulse label from the 60s and 70s that goes 2,364 tracks deep. That's just one label.

      There are jazz records on Spotify that aren't even in print any more so you can't buy them on CD or vinyl at any price.

      Same here, but with things like Irish Traditional Music and 80's rock. It would cost an insane amount of money to buy everything I listen to. And I would need a room just to keep the CDs in.

      Who needs that?

    61. Re:Amazon autorip by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Irish Traditional Music

      Here's some synchronicity: As I was reading your comment, I can hear Van Morrison singing "She Moved Through The Fair" with the Chieftans playing on my wife's computer in the next room. I know that's probably not the kind of traditional Irish music you might have been talking about, but it's still a clever coincidence.

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    62. Re:Amazon autorip by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Oh boo hoo, "everything was better in the old days" is absolute bullshit.

      Popular music was shitty back then, and it's still shitty today. You only remember the stuff you grew up with as good, because you attach a bunch of emotional memories to it.

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    63. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your real world example falls apart because it is a breach of contract.

      Just because you don't like the current system isn't justification for violating a contract, even an implicit one.

      Doing so means you're a piece of shit. If you want to live like a piece of shit, then own up to it. Rather than vomiting out contrived drivel to rationalize your shitty choices.

  2. No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Between "all-you-can-listen" streaming services and CDs/vinyls coming with free downloads with purchase of the disc, there's very little reason to buy digital tracks anymore. Not to mention they're counting total revenue, and most vinyls are at least $25-$30 minimum these days, compared to $10-$15 for CDs and $1 per track from most digital download stores.

  3. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're always online, you're proably listening to one of the not-radio options rather than buying permission to hear individual songs until the terms of use change.

    If you're paying attention to the companies that offer digital downloads of music, you're probably running to buy up CDs so you have some form of material ownership rather than buying permission to hear individual songs until the terms of use change.

    1. Re:Yes by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, were I to want to acquire music, I'd prefer a CD because downloads too often die for one reason or another. (E.g., I wipe the partition that they were downloaded into.)

      OTOH, due to the RIAA legal practices, I've stopped acquiring music. Since I have many old CDs, I find that I don't miss it. (Interestingly, I don't listen to most of the ones I own. Only about 20.)

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  4. I can't imagine this is good by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    for the music industry. I'm guessing this means people aren't buying music. We know CD sales our down and vinyl is a niche format for purists (or hipsters depending on your outlook). I'm guessing that it's not that CD/vinyl sales are up but that digital is down.

    Then again if they're switching to subscription services then as long as those services are profitable it's good for them. Might suck for the bands though who often make money selling those CDs at concerts. I hear they don't make jack off the subscription services.

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    1. Re:I can't imagine this is good by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      read the summary again, music services are exploding, taking away share from physical and "downloads"

    2. Re:I can't imagine this is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that it's not that CD/vinyl sales are up but that digital is down.

      You're guessing? I'm not asking you to RTFA, but at least peruse TFS.

    3. Re:I can't imagine this is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then again if they're switching to subscription services then as long as those services are profitable it's good for them. Might suck for the bands though who often make money selling those CDs at concerts. I hear they don't make jack off the subscription services.

      No bands make money selling CDs at concerts.

    4. Re:I can't imagine this is good by mysidia · · Score: 2

      So for $120/Year you can play all the music you want.... The average CD cost about $10, so that's like buying 12 CDs a year....... However, MOST people listen to a few dozen artists or a few songs they'll want to listen to over and over again, and before the advent of streaming services might have purchased 2 or 3 CDs per year.... ~$20 or $30/Year in music tops.

      So let me get this straight... the avg. subscriber will now pay 6 TIMES as much per year to listen to probably roughly the same amount of music, AND better yet.... after the year is over, you don't own anything for having subscribed, so next year you gotta pay again to listen to the same music.

      The music companies should be THRILLED by this model. All they have to do is raise CD prices even more to ensure they become less popular and get a tighter lockdown on "higher fidelity versions" they can upsell later, then make sure they eventually get an 80% or 90% cut on all subscription services, and keep renegotiating royalty rates a few % higher every year to provide growth.

    5. Re:I can't imagine this is good by HiThere · · Score: 1

      That is definitely wrong. I know people in two bands, and both make money by selling CDs at concerts.

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    6. Re:I can't imagine this is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So let me get this straight... the avg. subscriber will now pay 6 TIMES as much per year to listen to probably roughly the same amount of music, AND better yet.... after the year is over, you don't own anything for having subscribed, so next year you gotta pay again to listen to the same music.

      The music companies should be THRILLED by this model. All they have to do is raise CD prices even more to ensure they become less popular and get a tighter lockdown on "higher fidelity versions" they can upsell later, then make sure they eventually get an 80% or 90% cut on all subscription services, and keep renegotiating royalty rates a few % higher every year to provide growth.

      That's still something that needs to be labelled as illegal or fringe or it will be hard to press copyright levies on blank media nobody is actually using for music or other copyrighted material. Like USB sticks and hard disks and computers and scanners and printers and whatnot.

    7. Re:I can't imagine this is good by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      eh, I think 1 CD per month at least is more usual given my collection size I mostly stopped adding to about 15 years ago.

    8. Re:I can't imagine this is good by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      For a lot of people, it may be a bad thing to use streaming instead of purchases. For many - including myself - it's a godsend. I have over 3000 CDs/albums I purchased prior to 2012 (the last time I bought an album); now for just $20/month I have redbook-or-better audio, for 46+ million tracks, and I can listen to it any time, any where, via my cell phone. I use Tidal and Pandora. I use Pandora to explore new genres, and when something catches my ear I can go and download it and decide if I like the entire thing. Having literally millions of albums available to me with a few clicks is huge - I love music. If I hadn't invested that ~$50K into my physical music library, I could pay for multiple lifetimes of downloads...

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    9. Re:I can't imagine this is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1st world problems.

    10. Re:I can't imagine this is good by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Ok, well the thing is not all people are exactly the same, and there is something to be said to
      occasionally buying buying a month of a streaming service to allow easy exploration of a large number of albums without buying them.

      But buying music and obtaining permanent ownership seems to have the long-term major cost advantage.

    11. Re:I can't imagine this is good by mysidia · · Score: 1

      I have over 3000 CDs/albums I purchased prior to 2012 ....

      Having literally millions of albums available to me with a few clicks is huge

      Found the addict. Even after building a massive 3000 CD collection, you would still be acquiring multiple CDs' worth a month?

      Well, there are a few things to keep in mind here... (1) In spite of "millions" of tracks; I have Albums with songs that are not available available on CD, and i've CDs that are not available on any streaming service i've found --- so the ultimate music lover essentially has to buy both, if they want to not miss out on some music; I have no doubt that a streaming service provides quicker exploration and a larger fill for a true music addict ------ Versus the average person who buys a few CDs a year by default, and the streaming services are ultimately costly despite the "instant gratification" they offerd.

        (2) It's actually physically impossible to not miss out on some music --- nobody can possibly listen to millions of albums in a year. If it takes one ~60 seconds to lookup an album, the most you could possibly view and consider playing in a year's time would be 525,600 if you spent 24x7x365 looking for albums; and if you spent 8 hours a day 365 days listening to songs assuming no repeats, gaps, or rest time --- the maximum number of 3 minute songs that can be fit in that time frame would be 58,400 songs; that's about 5.8% of 1 million. In other words, you'd need 17 years to consume what you're renting each year --- if you pay a whole year for such service.

    12. Re:I can't imagine this is good by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      How many people do you know who only buy 2-3 CDs per year? That's how many I used to buy every month, on average.

      Sure, there are some people out there who only buy one or two "greatest hits" albums once in a blue moon, but those people are sad and boring.

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    13. Re:I can't imagine this is good by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Out of ~20,000 tracks in my collection (all ripped from CDs or paid downloads from sites like Bandcamp), I found that ~1,500 were not available on Spotify. Most of these are independent self-published artists, rare remix albums and obscure local music that has probably sold less than 1000 albums in total between them. The majority of that stuff I wouldn't expect to find on any streaming service, to be honest.

      I was (and am) generally satisfied with my collection, it's full of stuff I really like. Most of it is available on Spotify, but it also gives me access to music I probably wouldn't add to my collection, but still like to listen to once in a while, like Ozzy's solo albums or some song I couldn't get out of my head. Spotify lets me look up and listen to that music just as easily as I play my favorite albums, and that's hugely convenient to me, also if I'm having friends over and there's a specific song we want to listen to, but it's not in my offline collection.

      I pay $10/month for the convenience, and I still keep my very favorite albums offline, just in case.

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  5. stupid title by iggymanz · · Score: 2

    66% is music services

    the fact that downloads are separate and of the same order as CD or Vinyl is rather irrelevant, the main way of getting music is through the internet and physical media is dying.

  6. I feel so bad for your $8.7B revenue by adosch · · Score: 2

    Boo hoo, RIAA. So, it hasn't been even this high since 2008? And streaming/downloads only makes up $1.3B of that? Unreal. It's a mere 1/8th of your total revenue stream. That's not news, it's just bragging that your portfolio shifted around and you're making more, but in different areas. If I had to guess, I'd fall into the same thought processes as others and say it's the Amazon-like approach of selling an 'pre-ripped' album that also comes with the tangible CD/Vinyl, too, albeit for a slight markup more --- and it makes sense for some because you get it encoded for none of your time and it's instant use. Then your second surprise shows up in the mail a few days later you never open and shelf as a nostalgic backup.

    This is like the NFL complaining about how 'viewership' is down this here for baseless excuses and is really impacting their product, but still manage to increase their entire network every year.

    I'm surprised to see that "CD/Vinyl" is the excuse vs. pirating. Never see a witch-hunt for that as long as it's making you something.

    1. Re:I feel so bad for your $8.7B revenue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up knob polisher.

    2. Re:I feel so bad for your $8.7B revenue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eat shit and die, cunt breath.

  7. Digital downloads are often included now by guyniraxn · · Score: 1

    This isn't going to apply to all new releases but most of what I buy comes with a download link. I can buy the nice gatefold vinyl with all the cool artwork and it will have a download code inside so I can get my FLACs at no additional cost. It's the best of both worlds. CDs ordered through bandcamp often come with an immediate download link on purchase too. The included download may have been a large contributing factor to physical sales dominance.

    1. Re:Digital downloads are often included now by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Why not just buy the download, instead of cluttering up your shelves with inferior-sounding LPs?

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    2. Re:Digital downloads are often included now by guyniraxn · · Score: 1

      Because not everyone finds art to be clutter.

    3. Re:Digital downloads are often included now by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Sure, buy some albums and stick them in frames for the covers. But the music doesn't have to be on a physical format, it is better in every way as a set of lossless files.

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  8. Misinformation as usual from the RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No mention of streaming... Sales are dead. Hopefully the RIAA will disappear too.

    1. Re:Misinformation as usual from the RIAA by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Insightful

      'Streaming' is shit. Why can't you all see that the Corporate world is trying to move everything in our lives to a 'rental' model? Do you really want to live in a world where you can't own anything yourself? Rich get richer, poor get poorer.

    2. Re:Misinformation as usual from the RIAA by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      I want to live in a world where I can stream music via a phone sized device instead of lugging around hundreds of CDs. I want to live in a world where I can read what I want off of an eReader instead of devoting hundreds of square feet of my home to bookshelves and books. I want to live in a world where I can stream content to my TV instead of managing a DVD/BluRay/whatever-else-is-next collection. I get that other people like owning physical media. I used to be that way but personally I had unhealthy habits where collecting looked a lot more like hoarding. So instead of spending hundreds of dollars on media these days I spend about $50-$60 with music streaming, Kindle Unlimited, and whatever TV streaming I'm doing that month. And my house is clean. And my entire collection can for the most part come with me wherever I go. And I miss some things sometimes, but overall I'm a lot happier and I spend a lot less money per month on this type of entertainment. I own plenty of things myself. Music, movies, and television just aren't in that classification anymore.

    3. Re:Misinformation as usual from the RIAA by Kjella · · Score: 1

      'Streaming' is shit. Why can't you all see that the Corporate world is trying to move everything in our lives to a 'rental' model? Do you really want to live in a world where you can't own anything yourself? Rich get richer, poor get poorer.

      Well it's entertainment, most the value is in watching it once so the smart people would probably buy a second hand DVD, watch the movie, and sell it again for essentially the same price. That's in essence how Netflix got started, let's just pass around the same disc as quickly as possible. The movie studios made great money on those who bought the disc, watched it then put in on the shelf because of a pack rat mentality or the idea that maybe some day I'll want to see it again. I have a shelf full to prove that, they're mostly collecting dust.

      With streaming I don't need to consider the future value or the resale value, it's simply whether my desire to watch it here and now is bigger than the cost. If I want to watch it again in 10 years, it's probably on some bargain bin service where streaming + bargain bin < buying the disc anyway. It's not like my copy is first edition or signed or anything. And there's very little reason for something on a streaming service to go "out of print", yes it can disappear from one service but it usually means it's now on some other service that paid more. It's not rescuing Doctor Who episodes...

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    4. Re:Misinformation as usual from the RIAA by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      That's nice. And if the 'service' goes out of business, or there is some sort of Rights dispute with the content creator -- or your 'service' just decides that you don't have anything anymore, even if you paid for it -- then it's gone, and there's not a damned thing you can do about it. Also, enjoy knowing that ALL of your reading, listening, and viewing habits are now logged and surveiled: they know what you're doing, when you're doing it, and for how long. How does that make you feel, Hal? Loved? Or creeped out? When you own your own media, it's yours; someone would have to come to your house and physically take it from you. When you read a book, or watch a DVD/Bluray, or listen to a CD, it's nobody's business that you're doing that, and your privacy is intact. That's why owning physical copies of things is superior: they can't take it from you (or alter it after you buy it), and you use your media in privacy, and nobody has the right to know what you're reading/hearing/viewing.

      ..oh, and before you go off on a rant about how you think 'privacy doesn't matter', or 'I'm not doing anything wrong so I have nothing to fear', or 'people who want privacy must have something to hide', or 'people who think their privacy is being invaded are paranoid', or anything like that? I have no respect whatsoever for people who think that way, I think they're stupid to the extreme, and are giving away something that is beyond price, for free, to people and corporations and governments who do NOT have your best interests at heart, and I have no interest in having a conversation with people like that -- so if you're one of those, don't bother responding, I don't want to talk to you.

    5. Re:Misinformation as usual from the RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Streaming is not much different from listening to a radio station, and I've gone from having specific CDs or recordings to listening to high-quality Internet radio stations. It's good enough to choose a good DJ; I'll hear any song I like once a month or so. I buy one or two CDs a year of exceptional bands, but other than that I don't miss them. (I listen mostly to SomaFM, a nonprofit, and send them donations.)

      The article is somewhat inconsistent, but it sounds like streaming subscriptions are replacing song downloads, while CDs and vinyl are remaining steady. Well, so what? People wanted iPod songs when streaming subscriptions weren't widely available, but now they've decided they don't want those iPod songs after all.

      The advantage of "owning" songs depend on whether you'll listen to it repeatedly over a long period of time. People bought thousands of CDs and DVDs and then realized that most of them they only watched once or twice or for a short time. A good streaming subscription gives you a "listening experience", and maybe that's more satisfying to some people than owning certain songs forever. Movies in theaters are also "pay-per-view", and you don't see people shunning theaters because they can't watch the movie as many times as they want.

    6. Re:Misinformation as usual from the RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Movies in theaters are also "pay-per-view", and you don't see people shunning theaters because they can't watch the movie as many times as they want.

      I shun theaters for exactly that reason.

      Well, that and the need to wear hearing protection to prevent permanent deafness. Nobody with any sense goes to the theater any more without hearing protection. For that matter, you'll typically need at whenever you go to see a band, or go a nightclub or a dance or even many restaurants.

      People are stupid when it comes to high sound levels. It's generally a violation of multiple laws to produce sound at such levels, such as state battery law and federal workplace safety laws - but the laws are not enforced.

      Worse, ignorance is common.

      Hint: the federal standards for noise in the workplace have been known to be invalid for decades, sounds at decibel levels far lower than the federal standard can and do cause permanent hearing loss. For example, heading loss in 14 year olds is up 30% just since the 1990s.

      We're all going to be paying for this someday, in taxes for medical care if nothing else.

      But in any event, if a movie is worth watching, it's worth watching several times - and being able to do so at home. At some point I'll sell the disk on the used market and somebody else will get to see it as well - without extra money going into the pockets of the 1%.

    7. Re:Misinformation as usual from the RIAA by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      No one is preventing you from buying music. Are there any albums out there that are streaming-only, with no option to download or buy a physical copy? No?

      Then stop whining, and don't subscribe to a streaming service if you don't want to.

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    8. Re:Misinformation as usual from the RIAA by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      You know it's possible to differentiate and only subscribe to some things, for the convenience, right? It's not all-or-nothing.

      Subscribing to a streaming service is no different to using the library. They can also remove books from their shelves for whichever reason, and they track which content you check out. But the existence of a library does not prevent you from buying books yourself.

      Streaming is a library of music. It's curated and has a gigantic selection. Will there sometimes be issues or missing content? Yes, that is simply how it has always been, for all libraries.

      I have made the choice that I like having a subscription to a streaming service. It has a gigantic library, well-implemented search and very good automated recommendations. It is hugely convenient for a music lover like me.

      Do I also keep an offline backed-up library of all my favorite music I've bought and ripped/downloaded myself? Hell yes, because I may want to cancel my subscription at some point, or move to a different streaming service with different coverage. Or I might be offline for a long period of time, and I would like to have local copies.

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    9. Re:Misinformation as usual from the RIAA by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Exactly! To most people, music is ephemeral. They don't feel the need to build up a collection, they just want to hear the newest music easily. To them, streaming is more like a radio where you get to choose the playlist. They don't linger on specific albums, they just want the radio hits.

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  9. Subscription fools, like the cord cutters by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

    What's really going on is the music sellers are moving to the cable company model where they will not let you cherry pick the songs you want to buy and they will boil your frog-like ass for years until you are paying $100 per month for music.
    Are any of you cord cutters feeling the heat yet? I thought not, you stupid frogs.

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    1. Re:Subscription fools, like the cord cutters by greenwow · · Score: 1

      Just like how the music industry cherry picks the songs it wants you to buy with radio stations.

    2. Re:Subscription fools, like the cord cutters by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      What's really going on is the music sellers are moving to the cable company model where they will not let you cherry pick the songs you want to buy and they will boil your frog-like ass for years until you are paying $100 per month for music. Are any of you cord cutters feeling the heat yet? I thought not, you stupid frogs.

      "Boiling the frog" is a myth. Thermal regulation by relocation is actually a very important part of any cold blooded animal's survival strategies. Frogs will relocate when the local temperature becomes uncomfortable no matter how slowly it got there.

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    3. Re:Subscription fools, like the cord cutters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Boiling the frog" is a myth.

      You are new here, eh?

    4. Re:Subscription fools, like the cord cutters by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Don't listen to music published by the big labels, then.

      There is a ton of independent music out there that is just as good or better.

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  10. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have zero interest in buying music anymore. Last CD I bought was Cypress Hill 's Til Death Do Us Part
    Nowadays I don't even listen to music, I always mak sure to automute every new tab in the browser I'm using

  11. Music as a service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is all because of Music as a service. We recently found an album that we wanted on CD. We thought, "hey let's buy that on Amazon/iTunes." Nope, only available with a subscription.

    1. Re:Music as a service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're like the guy who doesn't have a TV who goes on TV-related threads to make sure everyone knows he doesn't have a TV?

  12. How do you even buy music online? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I subscribe to Apple Music. Which has been nice for selection and so on...

    But recently I wanted to actually buy a song. Even though it was also available "for free", to support the artist beyond the pittance he would earn through my streaming the song.

    How to do so? I still have no idea, I spent a few minutes trying to figure out how to get to a real purchase page before I gave up.

    You have to think that streaming is killing sales in general though...

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    1. Re:How do you even buy music online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh. iTunes has been selling DRM-free music for years.
      It is as "bought" as much as it is when you buy a CD.

  13. Real actual data by daver!west!fmc · · Score: 2

    TFA is at the Mercury News web site, and credits Derek Hawkins at the Washington Post. But TFA says its source is a Medium post by the RIAA's Cary Sherman, and sure enough if you go to the RIAA's web site you can find a post with a link to the Medium post as well as to the RIAA's actual report: https://www.riaa.com/riaa-rele...

    ProTip for submitters and editors: if TFA has a source, the source may well be on the web too, and may have real actual data.

  14. Nothing new to me by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    I haven't bought an MP3 in years but I still buy CDs from time to time.

    LK

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  15. Not sales volume, revenue. Buying digital is cheap by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The numbers show the record companies got less MONEY from digital than from physical products, not that people listened to fewer songs. Downloads and streaming let the consumer get more music for little money.

    If you want FREE music there are millions and millions of songs on MySpace, free. 15 million people post their creations on myspace. If you want professionally produced, highly polished music and you want what the record companies pick out for you, contributing your $1 to the cost of that is not only the best right thing to do, it also supports the artists (musicians and composers, producers, mix engineers, etc) so they can continue to produce the music you love.

    Some people say they don't see value in talent scouts finding artists, they'd be happy browsing through the 15 million artists on MySpace. They don't see value in the half million dollars of production that goes into a typical major-label album. Cool. If you don't want that, MySpace has millions of songs produced in someone's basement.

    If you DO want to listen to songs that have been through a year of production to make the sound perfect, grab four quarters off your night stand and toss your buck in the hat that pays for all that.

  16. Always buy LPs or CDs by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Look, I support the artists, not the music industry.

    I buy my LPs and CDs (and DVDs) direct from the artists at performances, where they get 50 percent of the take, not via Amazon or some digital intermediary who takes 99 percent of the cash and maybe, if they feel like it, gives the artists less than 1 percent.

    Oh, check out Giants in the Trees and Golden Gardens, they are excellent!

    I'll be buying more at performances like UpStream this summer.

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    1. Re:Always buy LPs or CDs by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      I don't buy CDs or LPs anymore, they just take up space on my shelves. Especially the CDs, which I rip and then basically never touch again. A lot of the artists I like are on Bandcamp, where 85-90% of the take goes straight to the artist, so I like buying music there rather than at shows.

      But I make sure to buy a t-shirt or a patch or even just some stickers at shows instead.

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  17. We Learn From You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Streaming encourages producers to make new songs sound like songs you like, because they can track the tar-hades out of you.

    If you allow them to track your listening, you don't get to complain later that "everything sounds the same".

    1. Re:We Learn From You by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      That's good. I love brutal slamming death metal, and I want more of it.

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  18. Who wants some SJW by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Removing digital music due to the cover art and lyrics for political reasons?
    With physical copies that music is safe with the person who enjoys music.
    Safe from brands and political SJW who feel they can ban digital music.

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    1. Re:Who wants some SJW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm curious - what do you think SJW stands for?

  19. CD is still the best by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 1

    1) Better, uncompressed quality on CD.

    2) No DRM crap to block access to the recording, its safely and durably stamped onto disc permanently and playable on any non internet connected CD player.

    CDs are sort of becoming a nostalgia item, hearkening back to the pre internet days, the era of fancy hi-fi systems and CD players with fancy controls and LCD readouts, while remaining the most practical and best quality format available, surpassing the durability of other nostalgia platforms such as Vinyl .

    Clearly, CD wins hands down. Super CDs are better, yet a premium item it seems, its difficult to find anything on a SACD, epsecially tasteful music for instance orchestra or jazz music, at least for a reasonable price.

    1. Re:CD is still the best by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I never had all that many CD's, maybe 50 - 60. But even I've found a few here and there in the last couple years that won't play anymore in a standard CD player. The disks are in good shape, very few if any scratches, I'll have to try them on my computer and see if I can get anything out of them. They're coming up on twenty years old and been stored along with all my other discs that still play.

    2. Re:CD is still the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some CDs get bit rot - hold them up to a strong light and if you can see pinpricks, that's it. CDs that show this problem are often unplayable and unrippable, at least for some tracks. Worst case, they won't even be recognized as CDs. I've got about 5 out of 400 which are like this.
      I ripped all mine to flac (separate tracks) years go, now I'm re-ripping them as one flac file + cue sheet because ripping to separate tracks sometimes gets annoying gaps when one track fades into another.

    3. Re:CD is still the best by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Nah, the CDs is simply an obsolete format for data. Lossless downloads are better.

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  20. This just in by Jiro · · Score: 1

    Cars with drivers, and horses, combined, are outselling self-driving cars.

    How much of the "CDs and vinyl are outselling" is CDs and how much is vinyl? I suspect it isn't 50/50.

    1. Re:This just in by Jiro · · Score: 1

      Whoops, the article does say. And it isn't 50/50, although it's far more vinyl than I'd expect.

  21. Re:Not sales volume, revenue. Buying digital is ch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this "MySpace" of which you speak?

  22. Don't even need to ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... look at the raw data to know this story is backed solely by cherry-picking.

  23. Re: Amazon autorip and LP bitrate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Youtube is delivering audio at 12 bit lossless?

    Citation needed.

  24. Lack of digital longevity.... by MercTech · · Score: 1

    I have mainly bought CDs for years because I didn't trust online sources not to delete my media if all I have is a digital copy. Yep, iTunes has done that. You get to download only once and if you change players, so sorry you don't have the songs you paid for any more. Amazon seems more reliable but for music I want to keep, I get a physical copy.

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  25. Re: Amazon autorip and LP bitrate by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

    Vinyl is absolutely not equal to 12-bit lossless. There is wow/flutter, frequency response and pops/ticks to consider as well.

    Youtube has none of that.

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