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Craigslist Personals, Some Subreddits Disappear After FOSTA Passage (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: In the wake of this week's passage of the Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA) bill in both houses of Congress on Wednesday, Craigslist has removed its "Personals" section entirely, and Reddit has removed some related subreddits, likely out of fear of future lawsuits. FOSTA, which awaits the signature of President Donald Trump before becoming law, removes some portions of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. The landmark 1996 law shields website operators that host third-party content (such as commenters, for example) from civil liability. The new bill is aimed squarely at Backpage, a notorious website that continues to allow prostitution advertisements and has been under federal scrutiny for years. In a bizarre turn of events, the Department of Justice also warned the House in February 2018 that the bill "raises a serious constitutional concern," as it would apply retroactively -- a seeming violation of the Constitution's ex post facto clause. Congress passed it anyway. The Electronic Frontier Foundation wrote in a blog post: "It's easy to see the impact that this ramp-up in liability will have on online speech: facing the risk of ruinous litigation, online platforms will have little choice but to become much more restrictive in what sorts of discussion -- and what sorts of users -- they allow, censoring innocent people in the process."

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  1. Government shooting itself in the foot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they really wanted to reduce traficking, they just made it harder. It wasn't terribly difficult to suss out potentially bad CL ads. Guys looking for you to be "generous", and for the DEA guys, "let's go skiiing"... in Florida. By getting rid of this stuff, they just shut down a source where people were providing them with leads. Or maybe they were just embarrassed that they couldn't follow up on all that stuff.

    1. Re:Government shooting itself in the foot by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly -- the ideal situation would be legalization between consenting adults so the industry is in the open and can be monitored for offerings that don't involve consenting adults. Harm reduction, same as with drug legalization -- let the people have their fun while rooting out the real bad actors.

      But American Puritanism (from both parties!) won't let such a rational policy be enacted.

    2. Re:Government shooting itself in the foot by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or religious/Puritan zealotry, which amounts to the same thing.

    3. Re:Government shooting itself in the foot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When the effect of a bill differs greatly from what the bill's proponents are saying, that leaves us with only one conclusion: the bill's proponents are lying about their intent. It is popular to think of congressmen as stupid. They are NOT FUCKING STUPID. They know exactly what this bill will accomplish, and that is exactly what they want. Everything else is bullshit to win hearts and minds.

      They want to reduce Internet filth. There are too many websites with this kind of content all over them, and that garbage needs to be taken down!

      The potential harm to legitimate content that wouldn't qualify as filth is worth it, in their minds.

      Fairness and what-not are not considerations here. It's all about "cleaning up" then Internet, and that's it.

    4. Re:Government shooting itself in the foot by GrumpySteen · · Score: 5, Informative
    5. Re:Government shooting itself in the foot by techno-vampire · · Score: 2

      Guys looking for you to be "generous"

      Back in the '70s and '80s, This type of ad was the mainstay of numerous local tabloid "newspapers," that had just enough articles to qualify for the term. Almost all of them were for women, and many of them were looking for "generous men." There was a special section of personals for men, and I'd presume that at least some of them used the same wording, but I never bothered looking at them because that kind of thing never interested me. Back then, you could tell which ones were from services because they all had the same phone number. I'd presume that the current websites are similar, but I've never bothered looking to find out.

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    6. Re:Government shooting itself in the foot by ArtemaOne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      are things this Republican Party are against.....

      Republican and Democrat Parties, you mean. Only person who voted against this is a Republican.

    7. Re:Government shooting itself in the foot by umghhh · · Score: 2

      Why is this marked as troll? Are we already pass the stage when we were allowed to laugh? Man 1984 is coming closed every day.

  2. MOAR litigation! by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You don't even need to censor people anymore, just ramp up the legal risk and they'll do it themselves.

    1. Re: MOAR litigation! by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      The 2nd Amendment being about the well-regulated militia and all...

      "Well regulated" meant "in good working order" when the Amendment was written.

      "Organized militia -- consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[9] (Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)

      Unorganized militia -- composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia."

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Redefining words is straight out of the dystopian novel "1984".

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    2. Re: MOAR litigation! by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      Keep in mind, #1 and #2 don't say the same type of thing about two subjects. In the case of freedom of the press it says "congress shall make no law," and "the press" basically meant small businesses printing fake news and offensive opinions. In the case of the right to bear arms, it says a bunch of stuff about the right to be in a well-regulated militia, and that the right to bear arms shall not be "infringed." But "making no law" is much more strict than simply not infringing on a right. The second amendment leaves Congress with the power to make laws regulating guns, and regulating the bearing of arms, as long as after the executive branch implements the law your right to bear arms is still intact.

      The Constitution says that Congress can't tell you what type of press to buy, but they can tell you what type of arms constitute those appropriate for para-military use, as long as in practice they don't "take yer guns away."

  3. Rants & Raves by registrations_suck · · Score: 2

    The good news is they FINALLY took Rants & Raves out of "personals" and put it under Community / Local News.

    I never did understand why it was under "personals" to begin with. I mean, most of the insults there were pretty personal - but even so - it did not seem to fit with all the other "personals" categories.

  4. Idiotic scum run the government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    And laws like FOSTA are what we get as a result.

    Only Ron Wyden and Rand Paul voted against it.

    Every last one of the pieces of trash who voted for it need to be voted out of office.

  5. The death of Web 2.0 is here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The transition of the Web from "Wild West" to "cable TV" continues.

    1. Re:The death of Web 2.0 is here by bobstreo · · Score: 2

      The transition of the Web from "Wild West" to "cable TV" continues.

      Does anyone remember when the allure of cable was "No Commercials?"

      Get off my lawn!

  6. Time to go back to Usenet/other decentralized by Miser · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fire up those terminal emulators, folks!

    (or the real thing (vt320, vt220, vt525, wy60, etc) if you've got them)

  7. Re:Jeff Sessions by greenwow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't blame the Republicans for this. More of them voted against this than we did.

  8. No craigslist personals? by Rakarra · · Score: 2

    Then where else am I going to find the best 100% heterosexual, no gay stuff, Manhood Camping where guys get around a fire to J/O?

  9. Hooker ads going offshore? by jcr · · Score: 2

    What's that going to take, about an hour?

    -jcr

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  10. Re:I'd like to see UBI too by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're free to pay for the basic living expenses of as many of them as you care to help.

    And even if you could be as virtuous as you'd like with everyone else's money, it wouldn't ultimately matter anyway. There are going to be enough men that want sex who are willing to pay for it that some women will engage in prostitution not out of necessity or for their survival, but because it allows them to earn extra money. This may surprise you, but some women like sex as much as most men, especially if they can be discerning in who they're hopping into bed with. If they can get paid for doing what they enjoy, who the hell are you to tell them what they're allowed to do with their bodies?

    Legalizing prostitution will do a lot of prevent the kinds of horrible conditions and abuse that many women find themselves in just as repealing prohibition meant that no one had to get shot or poisoned over bootleg liquor.

  11. Don't Worry... by Thelasko · · Score: 2

    Tinder is still working!

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  12. Re:Jeff Sessions by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    If they're smart, Democrats nominate Barney the purple dinosaur before they give Hillary another go. I mean, she couldn't even win against Trump...

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  13. "Human Trafficking" by gatfirls · · Score: 2

    The fundies really did some good PR work to make human trafficking a synonym to prostitution.

  14. Re:Jeff Sessions by DamnOregonian · · Score: 2

    388 - 25 and 97 - 2... I think we can safely say this was entirely bipartisan. After all- sex trafficking bad. You don't wanna be the guy who voted to legalize sex trafficking.

  15. Clearly unconstitutional by K.+S.+Van+Horn · · Score: 2

    "it would apply retroactively -- a seeming violation of the Constitution's ex post facto clause"

    Seeming? That's a clear, unambiguous violation of the Constitution's prohibition against ex post facto laws: "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed." There's no wiggle room there.

  16. Deliberately misleading terminology by K.+S.+Van+Horn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've noticed that the term "prostitution" has been replaced by the term "sex trafficking" lately. This strikes me as deliberately misleading terminology, aimed at making people think that human trafficking -- that is, slavery -- is what is being targeted, when in reality it is certain voluntary transactions that are being targeted.

  17. Destroying the internet by BlueCoder · · Score: 2

    I remember when CL revolved the escorts section. I said then that they would move to casual encounters- the did; all be it slowing over a couple years. Now this... which only means they are either going to adopt another forum or just spam all the forums. I can't wait for this to reach the supreme court to be struck down for being overreaching and and an overburden.

    All forums all over the internet are going to be setup with bogus adds by unscrupulous attorneys. I can see many companies coming together showing all the money spent to censor this stuff but it only becoming more prevalent because attorneys can profit from inflating the problem. You are absolutely going to see adds all over big companies forums.

    Hey politicians in congress.... you just screwed over big business and speech at the same time.