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One Percent of Reddit Users Cause 75 Percent of the Drama (theoutline.com)

Just 1 percent of all Reddit communities set off 74 percent of all conflicts on the site, a new research has found. The Outline: In the self-published research from Srijan Kumar, Jure Leskoec, William Hamilton, and Dan Jurafsky of Stanford University, "intercommunity conflict" is defined as "negative sentiment to comment in another community." These users wouldn't necessarily qualify as trolls or sockpuppets; they're instigators, posting links to other subreddits and encouraging other users to target, harass, and fight with users on that subreddit.

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  1. Sadly... by RobertNotBob · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sadly, 74% actually seems low to me. - Just say'n....

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    1. Re:Sadly... by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      For 1% of the users?
      Being Drama usually is prevalent for people the ages of 13-25 (Any younger they really shouldn't be on the board, and not old enough for such type of manipulation, older are normally too old and too much to do to care about that type of crap)
      I would expect this for about 5% population causing 74% of the drama.

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    2. Re:Sadly... by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

      A lot of the conflict on /. is caused by a single username, but not even Anonymous Coward manages 74%.

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  2. 1% of the internet.. by sqorbit · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..causes all the drama. The rest of us just make memes about it.

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    1. Re:1% of the internet.. by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 2

      ... so if we could ONLY somehow get rid of that annoying 99%!

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    2. Re:1% of the internet.. by sycodon · · Score: 5, Informative

      Pareto Principle.

      Roughly 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes. Reddit seems extreme, but it's not unusual.

      Can anyone think of something where this doesn't apply?

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    3. Re:1% of the internet.. by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

      1% of the internet..causes all the drama.

      Bernie would make sure that drama was spread out evenly across the masses.

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    4. Re:1% of the internet.. by penandpaper · · Score: 3, Funny

      "We must have drama equality. We must come together to fight the 1% so that all our memes be heard. I believe that every memer have a google doodle and that this is a basic internet right. We will no longer allow the 1% to take advantage of the internet at the expense of 99% of internet users. All memes are funny and all memes deserve drama." - Bernie Sanders in the Current Year.

      Don't let your memes be dreams.

    5. Re:1% of the internet.. by sycodon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You have to be careful.

      Racism and Misogyny have been defined down to the point these days that merely objecting to a policy position falls into one or bother categories.

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    6. Re:1% of the internet.. by Memophage · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have to be careful.

      The president of the United States intentionally hired a guy into the White House as his Chief Strategist who said this:

      "Let them call you racists, let them call you xenophobes. Let them call you nativists. Wear it as a badge of honor."

      And bookended his political career running a "news" website that hosts articles like these:

      The Solution To Online 'Harassment' Is Simple: Women Should Log Off - Breitbart

      How To Make Women Happy: Uninvent The Washing Machine And The Pill - Breitbart

      Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy - Breitbart

      If it were *just* policy differences we can talk, but it's not. It's the people in the highest positions of power in our country intentionally being as racist and misogynistic as possible.

    7. Re:1% of the internet.. by Sperbels · · Score: 3, Funny

      On /., 80% of the posts are from Russian trolls and the other 20% are from people on the spectrum who missed the joke.

    8. Re:1% of the internet.. by edtice1559 · · Score: 2

      I don't think it's quite fair to say that racism and misogyny have been defined this way. I think what's happened is that, for a time, racists and misogynists didn't want to "wear it as a badge of honor" so to speak. Rather, what they would do is to declare that they were against racism and misogyny and then object to ever single effort to counter these no matter how sensible the proposed solution was. And they were very effective at it to a point where nothing got done. This still happens. It's to a point that if somebody disagrees with *how* we should move forward in this area, listeners' first reaction is to assume that the real purpose of the disagreement is to try to avoid moving forward at all. A good plan with lots of support is better than a perfect plan with weak support so I think the clear takeaway message right now is that if an aggrieved group is demanding a particular solution, you can make friends by being supportive (even if the proposed solution is imperfect) or you can draw suspicion by trying to add your own spin on things. I have no idea why so many 'smart' people seem to end up doing the latter.

  3. So it's just like real life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A few people ruin it for all of us.

    1. Re:So it's just like real life? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A few people ruin it for all of us.

      I'm pretty sure this isn't just Reddit but anywhere. 1% cause the problems. You get a few ass-hats who see themselves as too good for the rest of the forum.

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  4. Why do I have the feeling... by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The people that did this study are probably part of that 1% group trying to point fingers at other 1% members by blaming them for the drama?

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    1. Re:Why do I have the feeling... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Probably because you didn't read TFP.

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  5. Yes, yes they do qualify as trolls. by fibonacci8 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Reddit discovers internet trolls are a thing.
    Tries to claim they're something new and different this time.
    Usenet, 4chan, et al. not mad, just disappointed.

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    1. Re:Yes, yes they do qualify as trolls. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sounds like a FARK headline almost. Well done.

    2. Re:Yes, yes they do qualify as trolls. by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The trolls aren't the problem, the marketing and PR shills are. Trolls cause comedy, marketing and PR shills cause drama.

  6. This goes way back by drew_kime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is at least as old as the British Empire.

    "Hey, let's you and him fight. (While I sit over here actually running everything.)"

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  7. It's SRS, isn't it? by Demonix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let me guess, 99% of that 1% are SRS regulars aren't they?

    I hope no one paid money for this study because this is a 'water is wet' fact right here. I'd love to know what dirt they've got on Spez to get away with breaking the rules the way they do.

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    1. Re:It's SRS, isn't it? by XXongo · · Score: 2

      Let me guess, 99% of that 1% are SRS regulars aren't they?

      Supplemental Restraint Systems (SRS) are required on all automobiles now.

  8. Re:Blame by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they did this for a day or two, it would be the fault of that one percent of the users. After a month or two it would be the fault of the Reddit moderators and owners for putting up with the one percent of the users. After many years, all the remaining users are now to blame for putting up with the Reddit moderators and owners who put up with the one percent of the users.

    I've been a moderator of a few forums over the years (not Reddit). The obvious bad-eggs don't last long, they're easy to isolate and remove. A lot of the problems come from people who like to do the wind-up but they do it subtly. People who do just enough to provoke a conflict (sometimes just stoking the fire and sitting back). They never do one act that by itself is bad enough to get them the boot, but they do lots of winding-up, getting other people to overreact. They are the real problem of most forums, and they're hard to justify booting for a single act. They know what they're doing, and they do it slyly.

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  9. Alternatively: by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1% of the Reddit users have 90% of the comments/posts that solicit debate and controversy. The other 99% spend all their time in pseudo-intellectual masturbation and patting each other on the back in a self-congratulatory echo chamber!

    1. Re:Alternatively: by GrumpySteen · · Score: 4, Funny

      99% spend all their time in pseudo-intellectual masturbation

      To be fair, at least half of them spend time in the NSFW subreddits engaging in non-intellectual masturbation.

  10. Otherwise called: the internet by Roodvlees · · Score: 2

    People will criticize each other, grow up.
    I could not find a definition of 'conflict' in this research.
    Only: "examining cases where users of one community are mobilized by negative sentiment to comment in another community."
    Wow, that included normal criticism, is this thought control?
    Of course it's fine for a platform like Reddit to manage disagreements between communities.
    But calling it a 'conflict' is ridiculous.

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  11. Trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These users wouldn't necessarily qualify as trolls or sockpuppets; they're instigators, posting links to other subreddits and encouraging other users to target, harass, and fight with users on that subreddit.

    For those of us old enough to remember what the word "troll" used to mean back in the usenet days, that sounds exactly like what we used to call a troll. Of course now the term has been adopted by the mainstream media, the meaning has changed to mean more someone that causes offence or attacks others.

    1. Re:Trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agree!

      -- comment inspired by Usenet Etiquette

    2. Re:Trolls by XXongo · · Score: 2

      These users wouldn't necessarily qualify as trolls or sockpuppets; they're instigators, posting links to other subreddits and encouraging other users to target, harass, and fight with users on that subreddit.

      For those of us old enough to remember what the word "troll" used to mean back in the usenet days, that sounds exactly like what we used to call a troll..

      No. Old-style trolls just posted outrageous things, looking to draw a response.

      This paper is about trolls who post a link in one subreddit telling people "go to this other subreddit.

      It would be like if an old usenet troll posted in talk.politics.reagan "go over to rec.arts.sf.science and check out this idiotic post by user xxyxx".

      That might happen, occasionally, but not the usual tactic.

  12. Re:Blame by penandpaper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ah, true trollery. It's easy to say offensive words. It's art to make others overreact to say them for you.

    Now who is more at fault; the one who "winds-up" a thread or the people who overreact? I know it's the troll but there is a reason you don't feed the trolls.

  13. More hair-trigger reactionaries online? by anvilmark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it's indisputable that a small number of people create the majority of chaos in any social circle. However, I've observed an increasing percentage of online participants that cannot ignore anything they disagree with (yes, this is a behavior with a long and glorious tradition https://xkcd.com/386/ ).

    Everyone seems to be so damn serious these days and no incursion against our beliefs can remain unchallenged (exacerbated by the fact that sarcasm is easily missed when it's in written form). The 1% want drama and we give it to them. The oldest counsel is best: Don't Feed The Trolls.

    1. Re:More hair-trigger reactionaries online? by apoc.famine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I blame social media.

      Social media conditions users to need to respond, because that's how you demonstrate your worth in that medium. Your worth is the number of followers, likes, reposts, etc. How do you not respond in that case?

      Personally, I find myself canceling half the posts I write, on average. I see that bullshit, type a response to it, think about it, and half the time decide that it's not worth arguing with that person. Either they're obviously trying very hard not to get it, obviously trolling, or generally seem incapable of critical thinking. Sometimes I consider if the response would be worth having others read and post it anyway, but sometimes it doesn't seem like a valuable pursuit.

      I see more value in a small number of good posts than a metric fuckton of shitposts.

      That's the opposite of how social media works.

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  14. Link to the actual work: by XXongo · · Score: 2

    Link to the actual work, instead of an article commenting on it:
    abstract
    Community Interaction and Conflict on the Web

  15. Re:Blame by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 2

    Who's at fault when someone provokes a bear, and the bear attacks? And what value is provided by those provocations, anyway?

  16. Like a heat-map of US populace. by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

    First off, why the hell are you directing traffic to a bullshit aggregator when the original paper is RIGHT THERE?

    Second, wtf are they talking about? Ah: "examining cases where users of one community are mobilized by negative sentiment to comment in another community." ie, "Brigading" for anyone not in the know.

    Third, The paper never mentions "Drama", they're exclusively talking about this sort of conflict that comes from brigading. IE, 1% of reddit communities do the brigading thing. (Because that's what they can track. Of course they can't track all drama in Reddit, it'd just be a list of all posts)

    Fourth, The paper says 1% of communities, not 1% of users. Which is, kind of a DUH statement. There are topics which are political and those who are dedicated towards shifting other people's opinions, but most aren't. Nobody in ELI5 is going to be wing-nut extremist educationalist rousing the masses to explain, en-mass, complex topics in simple terms to other communities.

    This is why you don't link to a bullshit opinion pieces re-interpreting a paper. Does slashdot even have editors anymore?