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Military Documents Reveal How the US Army Plans To Deploy AI In Future Wars (thenextweb.com)

In a just-released white paper, the Army describes how it's working to make a battlefield network of machines and humans a reality. The Next Web reports: "Most of such intelligent things will not be too dissimilar from the systems we see on today's battlefield, such as unattended ground sensors, guided missiles (especially the fire-and-forget variety) and of course the unmanned aerial systems (UAVs)," reads the paper. "They will likely include physical robots ranging from very small size (such as an insect-scale mobile sensors) to large vehicle that can carry troops and supplies. Some will fly, others will crawl or walk or ride."

The paper was authored by the Army's chief of the Network Science Division of the Army Research Laboratory, Dr. Alexander Kott. It outlines the need to develop systems to augment both machines and people in the real world with artificially intelligent agents to defend the network: "In addition to physical intelligent things, the battlefield -- or at least the cyber domain of the battlefield -- will be populated with disembodied, cyber robots. These will reside within various computers and networks, and will move and acts in the cyberspace."

Kott takes pains to underscore the fact that the AI powering U.S. war efforts will need to be resilient in ways that today's AI simply isn't. He states: "The intelligent things will have to constantly think about an intelligent adversary that strategizes to deceive and defeat them. Without this adversarial intelligence, the battle things will not survive long enough to be useful." Ultimately, aside from outlining what the future battlefield will look like, the paper's conclusion is either disappointing or a giant relief, depending on your agenda: "Clearly, it is far beyond the current state of AI to operate intelligently in such an environments and with such demands. In particular, Machine Learning -- an area that has seen a dramatic progress in the last decade -- must experience major advances in order to become relevant to the real battlefield."

141 comments

  1. Re:The absurdity of claming to be an atheist by Sulik · · Score: 4, Funny

    "What orators lack in depth they make up for in length." -- Charles de Montesquieu

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  2. It's just science fiction by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In other words, the paper is just science fiction, trying to guess the future. Current capabilities are not enough.

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    1. Re: It's just science fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is all anything with the letters 'A' and 'I' in it is. Disrupting an aggressor's software: how is that new, or news?

    2. Re: It's just science fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because anything a computer can be made to do is automatically disqualified from being AI.

    3. Re:It's just science fiction by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Its just a return to free fire zones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and what the UK did during the Boer war.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....
      ie "anyone unidentified is considered an enemy combatant."
      ie "a scorched earth policy of destroying Boer farms and moving civilians into concentration camps."

      But with robots who always obey. Can a cute robot really do a war crime?
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    4. Re:It's just science fiction by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Spider mines - Because Starcraft was prophetic. No, I'm very serious. Imagine very fast crawlies (spiders) that ambush, jump, latch, then detonate. Or, how about a swarm of drones that inject a substance via needle that either debilitates an enemy combatant, or outright paralyzes them to death. That ladies and gentleman is the future of ground combat.

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    5. Re:It's just science fiction by DivineKnight · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. The future of ground combat is EM & EMP warfare. Because at some point, someone is going to say "Enough is enough."

    6. Re: It's just science fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The megatrend of making machines work independently enough in order to be able to carry out missions even without any network connection will mean that they will be surpeisingly independent.

    7. Re: It's just science fiction by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      These things are going to have mechanical CPUs, are they? Because if they have electronics the EMP will likely fry them too.

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    8. Re:It's just science fiction by nonBORG · · Score: 0

      Curare and a blow gun. You are dead before you can scream. Light weight, lethal and silent.

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    9. Re: It's just science fiction by BlueStrat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These things are going to have mechanical CPUs, are they? Because if they have electronics the EMP will likely fry them too.

      Just use vacuum-tubes. They're pretty much immune to EMP. :)

      Seriously though, protection from EMP is pretty standard stuff. It's not that hard. Pretty much all military electronics from missile guidance packages to fighter-jet avionics to infantry field radios have EMP mitigation built into the design.

      In the real world EMP doesn't work like in The Matrix.

      In the example of a nuclear/thermonuclear bomb detonating, the effective radius (close enough that EMP could disable minimally-hardened electronics) of the EMP pulse is much smaller than the effective full-destruction radius of the detonation.

      In other words, you'd almost certainly need to be close enough to ground-zero so that the blast itself would incinerate the electronics to hot radioactive plasma before the EMP would be strong enough to kill it.

      What are truly vulnerable are electrical power grids and civilian radio/cellphone/satellite/cable-TV comm/broadcast systems that lack any serious EMP mitigation.

      Strat

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    10. Re: It's just science fiction by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Doesn't EMP hardening require making things bigger and/or adding bulky shielding? I knew a guy who worked on navy stuff, they had EMP proof Z80s the size of bricks.

      I was under the impression that nukes can be tuned to give a greater EMP effect, and by detonating them high in the stratosphere they could cover half a continent.

      But perhaps if anyone knows they wouldn't tâ|_..%^$
      no carrier

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    11. Re: It's just science fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, of course. The massive amounts of processing power needed for AI don't jive well with the need to be able to eat gigantic voltage spikes and keep working (after maybe a reset).

      EMP grenades will be a thing before long

    12. Re:It's just science fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Spider mines - Because Starcraft was prophetic. No, I'm very serious. Imagine very fast crawlies (spiders) that ambush, jump, latch, then detonate. Or, how about a swarm of drones that inject a substance "

      How about a little boy with a teddy bear, another Variant.

    13. Re:It's just science fiction by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      We have "spider mines" since 30 years as anti tank mines ...
      Just saying.

      Or, how about a swarm of drones that inject a substance via needle that either debilitates an enemy combatant, or outright paralyzes them to death. That ladies and gentleman is the future of ground combat.
      That is most likely true ...

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    14. Re: It's just science fiction by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      In the example of a nuclear/thermonuclear bomb detonating, the effective radius (close enough that EMP could disable minimally-hardened electronics) of the EMP pulse is much smaller than the effective full-destruction radius of the detonation.
      That is nonsense. The EMP radius is thousands of miles.

      In other words, you'd almost certainly need to be close enough to ground-zero so that the blast itself would incinerate the electronics to hot radioactive plasma before the EMP would be strong enough to kill it.
      No, you wont. An EMP is generated by igniting a nuke in the upper atmosphere ... 12 - 50 miles above the ground.

      A nuke detonating 10miles away 500m above ground causes no EMP.

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    15. Re: It's just science fiction by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that nukes can be tuned to give a greater EMP effect, and by detonating them high in the stratosphere they could cover half a continent.
      Correct.

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    16. Re:It's just science fiction by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      It sure sounded like something from "Starship Troopers" (the book, not the movie - let's not go there today).

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    17. Re:It's just science fiction by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

      Injections can take time to incapacitate the target. These don't.

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    18. Re:It's just science fiction by syn3rg · · Score: 1

      Skynet smiles.

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    19. Re: It's just science fiction by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like doing so would cause you to fry your own equipment if it's not on the other side of a continent or globe.

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    20. Re: It's just science fiction by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      A faraday cave prevents it.
      But yes, if the Russians would drop an EMP bomb "over Paris" they would fry half of Russia, too.

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    21. Re: It's just science fiction by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Doesn't EMP hardening require making things bigger and/or adding bulky shielding? I knew a guy who worked on navy stuff, they had EMP proof Z80s the size of bricks.

      In the late-'70s I worked for Harris Semiconductor, Government Services Div. I worked on missile guidance systems including those for Navy weapons systems like ASROC. What you're describing is protection from both EMP and radiation. It's the radiation shielding that adds so much weight. Shielding against inducted voltage spikes takes far less in materials and their required density, therefor weight and volume.

      Strat

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    22. Re: It's just science fiction by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Starfish Prime, you can look it up. It had a yield of 1.4MT.

      From Wiki - "The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 1,445 kilometres (898 mi) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights,[6] setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company microwave link.[7] The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.[citation needed]

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    23. Re:It's just science fiction by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      This is old news, at least 30 years old, probably older. The Armed Forces have been trying to use advanced computation and AI for a long, long time.

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  3. Darkstar knew what was up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  4. EMP EMP by Revek · · Score: 1

    Are we done yet? Even if it doesn't take out the processors it will blind it.

    1. Re:EMP EMP by djinn6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You have a poor understanding of EMP if you think it can take out a 10-foot wide UAV. Commercial jets run into EMP all the time when they get hit by lightning and nothing happens to them.

      As for blinding them, yes, it might have an effect on radio or radar, but the current crop of UAVs have visible light cameras. Meanwhile, whoever's fighting them will lose radio too, so it's not really an advantage.

    2. Re:EMP EMP by Revek · · Score: 1

      If the shit really hits the fan trump will let the nukes fly. My understanding of EMP is just fine.

  5. Nailed it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    The essence of the Fundamentalist Doctrine is as follows:

    "Love me, and obey me, or I will torture you forever."

    This is abusive, not loving.

    Same goes for this variant:

    "You are evil and you deserve to suffer, and the only thing good about you is your association with Me."

    These are techniques of emotional manipulation that sociopaths use to control people, not divine gifts given out of love.

    1. Re:Nailed it. by Rubinhood · · Score: 0

      > "Love me, and obey me, or I will torture you forever."

      About the first part: children should love and obey their parents, because they are their parents, and because they know what's best for them. True or false?
      Regarding the second part - Christianity doesn't teach anything like that. Pain, suffering and regret will be the *inherent* consequences of the godless afterlife.

      > "You are evil and you deserve to suffer, and the only thing good about you is your association with Me."

      "I know the plans I have for you: to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."
      "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."

    2. Re:Nailed it. by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Why is this modded "troll"?

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    3. Re:Nailed it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nice try.

      1) No, children "should" not love their parents. It is the parent's obligation to earn the love of their children by being good parents. Love is never obligatory. And, since you apparently like this analogy, threatening to burn one's children in fire forever is pretty much the opposite of good parenting.
          a. Yes, children should obey their parents (or caregivers) because they are too immature to be independent. This obligation ends once children have gained sufficient wisdom to conduct their own affairs. If we are using "God as parent" in a concrete way, then our obligation to obey god ends at adulthood. If we are using it as an analogy, then I will point out that argument by analogy is a logical fallacy.

      2) Christianity doesn't each anything like that? Let's analyze that. According to christianity, God created hell, and God made it a place where you burn in fire forever, and God set up the rule that leaves most of humanity stuck there forever, and God enforces that rule on the day of judgment when he forcibly incarcerates all the non-believers there. Apologists try to clean god's hands of these actions, but according to what Christians say and believe about God, it is *all* on him.
            a. What you are claiming is that god is not all-powerful....specifically....not powerful enough to make hell a nice place to be, not powerful enough to save people from hell once they are already there, not powerful enough to make hell just not exist at all, and not powerful enough to simply decide to never send anybody there.

      3) The fundamentalist doctrine is that we are all sinners, and that we all deserve to go to hell forever. Isn't that right? Isn't that the doctrine? If so, any verse that contradicts it must be taken "in the context" of this doctrine. You have merely pointed out some of the contradictions that are inherent in the Bible.

    4. Re:Nailed it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because moderators are not immune to pettiness. They use "troll" to mean "I disagree."

    5. Re:Nailed it. by eaglesrule · · Score: 2

      Because having a fantasy that has been reinforced over a lifetime be undermined by simple, factual reasoning, usually provokes an emotional response.

    6. Re: Nailed it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because god is a boogieman made by some people to enforce good behavior and used by bad people to enhance their lazyness?
      Or is the oldest fairytale made?
      Or is the only way for some people to justify doing a few good things and a lot bad ones.
      Pick your choice, after all god seems to be more a reflection of each self (because of course everyone seems to know what God's wants, says, mean or what needs and most of the times is always the same things each person picks)
      I remember one preacher telling how the original sin was related to sex, but everyone who has read the Bible knows is about obedience, I thought that maybe that is a reflection of that man's own obsessions.

    7. Re: Nailed it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. According to Genesis, the first sin was eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

      Which makes no sense on so many levels.

      Fruits don't give knowledge when eaten.
      Knowledge of good and evil is something one learns from experience and instruction while growing up, not something anyone can ever learn by eating.
      The knowledge of good and evil (morality) is obviously a good thing to have, so how does it make any sense that God wouldn't want us to have it?
      If god didn't want us to have this knowledge, then why did he put the tree there in the first place? Obviously, the tree did not impart free will, as adam and eve must have already had free will in order to choose to disobey, so that can't be an answer.
      If adam and Eve didn't understand good from evil, then they wouldn't have known that disobeying god was evil, so it is unjust to punish them. God may as well have blinded them and then punished them for bumping into things.

      Or maybe, its just an ancient myth with a lot of metaphorical content.....and no historical content.

    8. Re:Nailed it. by Rubinhood · · Score: 1

      Love and obedience are both voluntary according to Christianity. We have an invitation, but you and I aren't forced to go either way. It's entirely up to each and every one of us.

      In Christianity, God isn't just an adult who is a few decades older than we are. He's eternal.

      Of course God could have created a world without the godless afterlife. But that would have been equivalent to forcing everyone into heaven, and God respects our free will too much to do that. His company is voluntary.

      Jesus taught that God created us for a fulfilling eternal life. Humanity (you and I and most people in history) messed up, and we are currently subject to a partly-godless world, with a way back provided for us, and another way to try and stick it out without God.

      I don't want to change your mind about God. If you want to be an atheist or a skeptic, be one. But the understanding in your comment doesn't have much to do with Christianity.

      To the AC 2 below:
      The tree of morality (kudos, many don't understand it for what it is) represented the choice between letting God tell / teach humanity what's right and wrong. Eating from the fruit was about taking that right into our own hands, which set mankind on a painful but fixable detour.

      If God hadn't left such a way out of the Garden, he would have locked us in, which would have conflicted with that crucial principle at the start of my comment: love relationships are voluntary.

    9. Re:Nailed it. by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      b/cuz i think most people who've been lurking here since the dark ages of commander taco are starting to wonder if there's an army of Trump and religious bots trying to get the top page in order to dumb the site down ... but it might be reddit too. How come every single post gets finished with Trump had drones or fku nugger or obey the kitteh , i mean god ... its about military A.I. .... ofcourse its rated troll, just read it. That said never mind i know what the scroll wheel is for

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  6. I heard they developed an artificial Creimer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And when they turned it on, it ate all the food in the secret Antarctic lab and all the scientists starved.

    1. Re:I heard they developed an artificial Creimer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one welcome our new I.T. closet cleaner overlord.

  7. Dune predicted it by Quato · · Score: 2

    Didn't they learn anything from the Butlerian Jihad?

    1. Re:Dune predicted it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The imperative for sexbots overrides this

  8. Translation by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Translation: how to better use technology to end human lives and mutilate fellow humans instead of improving human lives. It's unfortunate that a lot of new technology is first used to murder and maim.

    1. Re:Translation by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      What i find limiting is that the use of "3 Laws Safe" is not being even considered. Battle should not be about increased KIAs. but about helping those that need help.

    2. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this may be of any consolation to you here is a bit of Russian humor :

      (11 feb 2018)
      Russia might sell S-400 systems to US if Americans feel insecure
      https://www.rt.com/news/418448-russia-may-sell-s400-us-chemezov/

    3. Re:Translation by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, let stop designing high level weapons. We can be reassured, Russia and China will also stop working on that right away (btw, motorbikes might also be used to carry people, and not frighten them by gangs of riders doing lots of noise ;-)

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    4. Re: Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Logical conclusion is that lgtbtgu religion will be the last religion on earth.

    5. Re:Translation by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Translation: how to better use technology to end human lives and mutilate fellow humans instead of improving human lives. It's unfortunate that a lot of new technology is first used to murder and maim.

      One of the first uses I see for "AI" (which in this implementation isn't even true, "real" AI) is for semi-autonomous heavy load-bearing equipment. Think back to 2001: US special forces operating in Afghanistan had to use mules to help them move equipment over mountainous terrain. Imagine a 4 or 6 legged robot that can follow a patrol and carry supplies, ammunition, wounded soldiers, etc. With 6 legs and an articulated front segment it should be able to go over just about any terrain a person could reasonably go. Boston Dynamics has tried a few things but the technology is not quite there yet. Also, they seem to keep focusing on making them look like dogs or horses while I picture something more like an armored pickup with legs, with the "cab" holding the computers, sensors, batteries, etc and a bed in the back for the cargo. Of course, it's the military, so if it's big enough you can mount a manned machine gun/Mk 19 grenade launcher on top and you have instant LAV/gun truck support where normally a wheeled vehicle couldn't go.

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    6. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How many human lives were saved because the allies won WW2? How many human lives were improved because the US won the cold war?

      You, and your mods, are too idealistic to recognize that having the better war technology does improve the lives of their citizens and in many cases the lives of others across the world.

    7. Re:Translation by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The "safer" war becomes for US soldiers, the more the US can act with impunity. I'm actually not for making war safe from things like IEDs -- the only way that the public won't support war is if war is dangerous, slow, and unpleasant. Keep war hellish.

    8. Re:Translation by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      WW2 was the last just war that US was involved in. The wars since then have just been money-wasting homicide sprees that we often enough didn't even win.

    9. Re:Translation by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Although this doesn't quite apply to mules, it's close -

      "Horses can make other horses, that is a trick that tractors haven't learned yet" - Heinlein

      Horses and mules are a hell of a lot cheaper than Boston Dynamics critters and for quite some time will be quieter, more flexible, have more endurance than robots. 'Horses for courses' - use what works.

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    10. Re:Translation by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Horses don't funnel more and more money to the military industrial complex, and horse breeders aren't big contributors to campaigns nationwide.

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    11. Re:Translation by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      What i find limiting is that the use of "3 Laws Safe" is not being even considered. Battle should not be about increased KIAs. but about helping those that need help.

      That only works if all sides play by that rule. If one side doesn't than the others lose.

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    12. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should have left the Koreans to die when NK crossed the 38th parallel?
      We should have left the Vietnamese be conquered?
      We should have left communism spread?
      We should have left Iraq invade Kuwait?
      We should have ignored Al Qeada after 911?
      We should have ignored Saddam breaking UN treaties?
      We should have ignored ISIS?

      Homicide sprees? You are completely delusional. Less people die to war in modern times than any other period of human history. There are less wars on this planet than any other time since humans starting fighting each other en mass because of the advancements in war. The fact that you do not see that highlights your delusion.

      The US has done more for peace on this earth than any hippy parroting false platitudes and Chamberlain policy. The US makes mistakes but that is not reason to forfeit the necessity of lethality in this world. You sit comfortably in peace because of the lethality you bemoan.

      Hippies are a disease on modern society.

    13. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FIRST it was used for porn... THEN for war.

      everyone knows that porn is the first use of any new technology, and probably the driving force.

    14. Re:Translation by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Pacifism is a legitimate philosophical viewpoint, and I respect pacifists. However, lots of people aren't pacifists.

      If you're not a pacifist, you probably agree that we need to have weapons. If we do, we may as well make them good weapons. When we need weapons, it's usually not a good idea to aim for second best. It can be more humane to have highly effective weapons, as they can shorten a war and lessen the suffering. There are weapons that cause suffering out of proportion to their military value, but those are generally banned anyway, and we're not talking about them.

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    15. Re:Translation by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      However, consider the Solarian robot military initiative in "The Naked Sun". If Solaria had all-robot ships, and could convince the robots that other warships didn't have humans, they'd get a really big military advantage.

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    16. Re:Translation by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Let's go through that list.

      Korea was a reasonable war to fight. The Vietnam war was similar, but screwed up by incompetence on the US side (particularly LBJ). We likely could have stopped the Iraqis from invading Kuwait with a little firm diplomacy. I'm OK with the 2001 intervention in Afghanistan, but stopping Saddam's posturing was not worth the results, which had some very bad consequences, including assisting ISIS in getting going.

      The US has contributed quite a bit to world suffering as well as to world peace and democracy. Much of this was not mistakes at all, but deliberate policy.

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    17. Re:Translation by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Which would mean that you're against artillery, ground attack planes, guns, and everything back to and including bows.

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    18. Re:Translation by LienRag · · Score: 1

      Obligaary XKCD: https://www.xkcd.com/1968/

      (the number of the strip is interesting, BTW)

  9. Same old shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember this : "Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century", published in 2000, wanted to revolutionize war as well. Of course it warns every few pages that if budgets aren't increased to $90 billion a minute, impending catastrophe looms for the US.
    But it was made by armchair generals mostly.

    Much of it was about the now failed missile defense program. One of the gems contains this list of countries to destroy :
    "That is why, according to the CIA, a number of regimes deeply hostile to America – North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Libya and Syria – "already have or are developing ballistic missiles" that could threaten U.S allies and forces abroad."

    Anyway, page 50 :

    CREATING TOMORROW'S DOMINANT FORCE

    To preserve American military
    preeminence in the coming decades, the
    Department of Defense must move more
    aggressively to experiment with new
    technologies and operational concepts, and
    seek to exploit the emerging revolution in
    military affairs. Information technologies,
    in particular, are becoming more prevalent
    and significant components of modern
    military systems. These information tech-
    nologies are having the same kind of trans-
    forming effects on military affairs as they
    are having in the larger world. The effects
    of this military transformation will have
    profound implications for how wars are
    fought, what kinds of weapons will
    dominate the battlefield and, inevitably,
    which nations enjoy military preeminence.

    The United States enjoys every prospect
    of leading this transformation. Indeed, it
    was the improvements in capabilities
    acquired during the American defense build-
    up of the 1980s that hinted at and then
    confirmed, during Operation Desert Storm,
    that a revolution in military affairs was at
    hand. At the same time, the process of
    military transformation will present
    opportunities for America’s adversaries to
    develop new capabilities that in turn will
    create new challenges for U.S. military
    preeminence.

    Moreover, the Pentagon, constrained by
    limited budgets and pressing current
    missions, has seen funding for experi-
    mentation and transformation crowded out
    in recent years. (...)

    captcha : rations

  10. Battle Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Without this adversarial intelligence, the battle things will not survive long enough to be useful."

    Hey Bob. What's the name of those fancy things we got from the computer kids? AI who? Yeah those battle things! Any way so as I was saying Mr reporter, I'm constantly thinking of new ways to use these battle things to help our country.

  11. Use AI, how about just I ? by Archfeld · · Score: 3, Funny

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    I am more worried about how the Army employs basic intelligence than I am what they will do with artificial intelligence...

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    1. Re:Use AI, how about just I ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do worry about the A, anyway. For example, network printing always was a nightmare. There's a cop out with "cloud printing" but the white paper says you can't count on big mommy network (I read it, found out it's a short .pdf that loads right away). So, self-assembling LANs of twenty drones or orders of magnitude more? I doubt it.

    2. Re:Use AI, how about just I ? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      With AI? Imagine the software from Uber autonomous cars, driving nuclear devices.

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    3. Re:Use AI, how about just I ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most nuclear submarines still run Windows XP. Sleep tight.

    4. Re:Use AI, how about just I ? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      As long as XP is patched.

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    5. Re:Use AI, how about just I ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why I am still using Windows XP. No telemetry, lean, fast, Not a memory hog, doesn't scan my files.
      Yes I sleep tight with this desktop setup.

    6. Re:Use AI, how about just I ? by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      That is a perfect example of the lack of I. Our top secret most secure stuff should run on an open source system vetted line by line by the NSA and the compiled with NO foreign code and no tools not produced in the same manner. Including device drivers and any other code that is needed.

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  12. POTUS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The other problem here, they don't get to decide what they do, even what country they do it for.

    All these fancy weapons are useless against basic human manipulation techniques.

    e.g. Russian troops attacked the U.S. base in Deir Ezzor, Syria back in February this year. US troops fought back. Under the rules of engagement they are allowed to defend themselves without getting permission from Trumpsky. They killed a lot of the attacking Russians. Russia pretends it was a rogue mercenary group, Trump says nothing about it, pretends it never happened. Now Trump ANNOUNCES THE WITHDRAWAL OF US TROOPS from Syria, and the suspension of aid, so the oil well the troops defended from the Russians will be handed over, and any rebel groups defunded.

    How's your fancy weapons working out for you with a compromized POTUS?

    1. Re:POTUS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read some interesting account at the time which said different things but I can't judge how believable it is.
      Nonetheless, why does the US has business defending Syrian oil wells from.. Syria?
      Yes it was mostly Syrian troops that got slaughtered I think.

      No, pro-Syrian troops moving towards a non-state actor militia's positions in the desert is not Russian troops attacking a US military base.
      The US used air power, and it was far from the first time they did something like that.

      The POTUS says whatever. It's a mess : POTUS vs State Department vs Pentagon. Depending on the day of week, or the weather, it's always someone else who is trying to set the agenda or fails at it.
      I personally like it. Let Syria take over its own country, let the jihadi lose, get out. Let all the Kurds on Manbij and all East of Euphrates become Syrian again then Idlin, Afrin and whatever the northern border area is called become frozen conflict shit. And *get out*, let the economy boom there and bugger off to your happy burger Disneyland continent country.

    2. Re:POTUS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

  13. Like autonomous cars, but with guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The intelligent things will have to constantly think about an intelligent adversary that strategizes to deceive and defeat them.

    So it's like autonomous cars except some of the pedestrians and other drivers and things the sensors can't even detect are trying to kill you. Well, that should be easy. Then take a vehicle that's survived a combat environment and has adapted and enhanced it's algorithms and put it back in a civilian environment. It'll do the AI equivalent of PTSD and start drinking methanol heavily, freaking out when it hears it's own backfire and running down moms with strollers.

  14. Re:The absurdity of claming to be an atheist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He also predicted the world would end in 1867. Fucked that up too.

  15. The time is now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We must dissent

    1. Re: The time is now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you skynet?

  16. Nothing to be afraid of by djinn6 · · Score: 2

    Consider a future where everyone who wants a drone army can have one. Governments, private individuals, terrorists and so on. Governments will have the largest and most capable drones. They will win any head-on fight through more advanced AI and sheer numbers. Private individuals might employ them for self-defense. A handful of them situated around their properties can deter criminals. Finally, terrorists would use them in place of human suicide bombers.

    But how is that any worse than today?

    Governments already have armies capable of controlling their respective people. If not in America then at least in the rest of world. Private individuals already have guns at home. As for terrorist attacks, it'll actually be much harder to carry them out. Armed guards stationed at every crowded venue is impractical for law enforcement, but a handful of drones is cheap. A terrorist would have to get past the law enforcement just as they have to today, but that law enforcement is going to be much more vigilant and instantly reacting to any threat.

    As for a war between nations, the biggest and most dangerous weapons, nuclear ICBMs, have been autonomous since the 1960s and that hasn't changed at all. Neither have countermeasures since they've been invented. Can a relatively large drone carry a nuclear weapon? Yes, but it's going to be much easier to defend against given its slow speed and limited range. Swarms of them flying towards you will be easy pickings for a medium or short range nuclear missiles, while stragglers will be handled by your own drones or anti-air missiles. Any opponent wanting to get an upper hand would still need to counter your nuclear missiles first.

    In other words, having drones won't change the landscape of war. They're no better than ICBMs at getting past enemy defenses, much less damaging than nuclear explosions, and definitely not capable of defending against anything moving at Mach 10.

    1. Re:Nothing to be afraid of by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Can a relatively large drone carry a nuclear weapon? Yes, but it's going to be much easier to defend against given its slow speed and limited range.

      Isn't a cruise missile a single-use drone?

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    2. Re:Nothing to be afraid of by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You ever saw a drone?
      A 2inch one? Can carry an ounce of C4 ...
      Suppose a company of 100 soldiers is surrounding your position ... you drop them on their faces and let them explode ...
      You have not read much SF, I guess?

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    3. Re:Nothing to be afraid of by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Yes, it is, but it is not AI, or do you think it would voluntarily explode if it was intelligent ... reminds me about the movie "Dark Star" ;D

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    4. Re:Nothing to be afraid of by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      You have not read much SF, I guess?

      I do read SF, but it's science fiction. In real life, the soldiers wouldn't need to be there at all. They'd have drones do that work. Unless you have better tech, you'll be out-droned.

  17. Intelligent Things by dohzer · · Score: 1

    Intelligent Things, or 'IT' for short.

  18. JSF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does the JSF compete in a world of "insect-scale" defence systems?

    Lemon...

  19. AI warfare: 3 laws violation ? by csmithers · · Score: 1

    Obviously. AI warfare would violate the 3 laws of robotics. "A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law." But that is assuming that the AI is programmed to attack humans. What if it is only programmed to attack another AI ? Then we have no conflict. Then all we have to worry about is AI putting all of us out of jobs, etc. Not killing some of us (the enemy). A pleasant thought.

    1. Re:AI warfare: 3 laws violation ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ultimate target of the war, any war, is always you, the civilian, "your ass", your beating heart, your panicky brain, your loved ones, the things you are attached to. When all the battles of the war are done, it is "or else" time. So, don't even dream that future wars will mean only robots' deaths. As soon as you just as much as think "So what? The hell we'll let them have what they fought us for, even though they annihilated all our metal representatives!", you'll find a bright red (well, infra-red is just as good for robots) aiming dot on your forehead. With clever generals (AIs?), it'll get there even sooner then robots of one side in conflict are depleted.

    2. Re:AI warfare: 3 laws violation ? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, let me know when you get Putin, and Rocket Man to sign up to follow those rules. In the meantime, I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and pretend that we'll all be singing Kumbaya.

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  20. Exporting American jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the trend continues to keep exporting American technical jobs to other cheaper countries overseas, the US Army will be guaranteed to lack the American technical personnel to carry out this artificial intelligence on the battlefield. The first requirement for the USA is to bring technical careers back to the good old USA and stop discriminating against experienced techies over the age of 40 or 35 or whatever age limit is the current vogue. We need home grown talent like it is going out of sight.

    We have Pop Warner programs and Little Leagues across the USA, but we lack Little Techie programs across the USA. The emphasis is on developing physical attributes in American youth at the expense of developing mental and technical attributes.

    Maybe the Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts of America need to be revamped to become more technically oriented. Or does it take an entirely new organization to recruit and develop future talent?

    1. Re:Exporting American jobs by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      but we lack Little Techie programs across the USA.

      That's not true. I was at a high school in a relatively poor neighborhood recently, and they had a maker space with a 3d printer and water cutter and all kinds of cool shit that I didn't recognize. There were a bunch of kids that might have otherwise been out slinging dope or gangbanging and they were doing their maker space thing and a bunch of kids were working on some raspberry Pi projects and when these kids graduate they're going to be coming for your job. I'm told that there are programs like this all over the country (or at least in states that value education).

      Don't worry about the kids. The current crop of young'ns is more capable, more poised and better educated than any of us were. Despite the fact that they've been failed by the generations before them being unable to make anything like thoughtful decisions about the future, they're getting ready to take over whether you're ready to step aside or not. They're not afraid to put themselves out there and they're not afraid to get their hands dirty.

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    2. Re: Exporting American jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what will all those kids do when the evil land-developer President kicks them oit the rec center yo?

      Yeah. Sure. As if you're legally permitted to be within 50 yards of anywhere children congregate. I've seen your rapsheet, you sick fuck.

    3. Re:Exporting American jobs by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      but we lack Little Techie programs across the USA.

      That's not true. I was at a high school in a relatively poor neighborhood recently, and they had a maker space with a 3d printer and water cutter and all kinds of cool shit that I didn't recognize. There were a bunch of kids that might have otherwise been out slinging dope or gangbanging and they were doing their maker space thing and a bunch of kids were working on some raspberry Pi projects and when these kids graduate they're going to be coming for your job. I'm told that there are programs like this all over the country (or at least in states that value education).

      Don't worry about the kids. The current crop of young'ns is more capable, more poised and better educated than any of us were. Despite the fact that they've been failed by the generations before them being unable to make anything like thoughtful decisions about the future, they're getting ready to take over whether you're ready to step aside or not. They're not afraid to put themselves out there and they're not afraid to get their hands dirty.

      Dang that's inspiring.

      Are your eyes facing slightly up and off the the side? Chin jutting, just a bit?

    4. Re:Exporting American jobs by stdarg · · Score: 1

      There were a bunch of kids that might have otherwise been out slinging dope or gangbanging and they were doing their maker space thing

      The kids who deal drugs and join gangs are still doing that. Don't be so naive that you think a small program has a large effect.

      Don't worry about the kids. The current crop of young'ns is more capable, more poised and better educated than any of us were.

      The "current crop" is not a monolithic block. Maybe your blissful ignorance is good for your blood pressure or something, in that case congratulations. Well I hope it's not too rude a shock to your system when reality sets in.

    5. Re:Exporting American jobs by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      The "current crop" is not a monolithic block. Maybe your blissful ignorance is good for your blood pressure or something, in that case congratulations. Well I hope it's not too rude a shock to your system when reality sets in.

      I've taught in high schools that cover the socio-economic spectrum. Poor inner-city schools on Chicago's South Side and wealthy prep schools. Over the course of 20 years. I actually remember my own high school.

      Overall, these kids are better than we were. They have qualities we lacked.

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    6. Re:Exporting American jobs by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Careful, Boss Hogg might have you boycotted.

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    7. Re:Exporting American jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, wut? So now there a /. conspiracy that Poperatzo is the one having APK shitpost the retards? That's fucking fresh.

    8. Re:Exporting American jobs by stdarg · · Score: 1

      I'm curious what qualities you are seeing. I'm also curious what makes you so comfortable in calling one generation better than another. What do you say to people who say one race is better than another for qualities x, y, and z? To use the qualities you've listed so far, couldn't you say that one race is better educated than another, has more poise (very subjective), and is "more capable" (measured somehow)?

    9. Re:Exporting American jobs by stdarg · · Score: 1

      Well I suspect you're a racist too, in the same way I'm "racist" -- acknowledging statistical differences in large populations. I'm actually not racist at all on an individual level. To me it's an important distinction.

    10. Re:Exporting American jobs by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      I'm actually not racist at all on an individual level. To me it's an important distinction.

      So, if I understand correctly, you're saying that you can be civil to black people individually, but you are also aware that they are inferior as a race.

      That's interesting. I'm sure black people are thrilled with you.

      https://youtu.be/8wcSSLo9TIs

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    11. Re:Exporting American jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting you site the opinion of the shyster Stephen Jay Gould

    12. Re:Exporting American jobs by stdarg · · Score: 1

      So, if I understand correctly, you're saying that you can be civil to black people individually, but you are also aware that they are inferior as a race.

      That's what you understood? Why do you think your internal thought process is complex and subtle and entirely reasonable, but everybody else must be a raving idiot who sees the world in stark black and white? It's stupid.

      I don't think blacks are inferior at all. You can't have a single "rating" of a race, or even of a single person because people aren't that simple.

      You said you think the next generation is better than we were. I doubt that means you think an entire generation is superior, or inferior, or that it means every individual of a given generation is inferior or superior.

  21. It's not like training your dog by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the AI powering U.S. war efforts will need to be resilient in ways that today's AI simply isn't

    The crucial point about AI is the training they need. Unless the americans have been collecting data for decades (given how few armed conflicts there are and that each one is different from the one before) there won't be any realistic scenarios for the AIs to learn from.

    It would also be quite easy to defeat AIs that had been trained - just do the unexpected, as all gifted military leaders do.

    Although once they get past the initial phase of monumentally screwing up everything they touch - another facet of "superpower" military might - they could easily develop new strategies. The best strategy would be for the AIs to decide that the battle isn't worth fighting.

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    1. Re:It's not like training your dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best strategy would be for the AIs to decide that the battle isn't worth fighting.

      I believe they resolved that in a movie a couple of decades ago.

    2. Re:It's not like training your dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Warfare has, for a long time now, been an economics game, not a execution game.

      Make it too costly to invade, make it too costly to go to war, and they simply won't.

    3. Re:It's not like training your dog by Whibla · · Score: 1

      The crucial point about AI is the training they need. Unless the americans have been collecting data for decades (given how few armed conflicts there are and that each one is different from the one before) there won't be any realistic scenarios for the AIs to learn from.

      And how do you think they train real flesh and blood soldiers in teamwork, tactics and so on, without risking their lives for real? Ah, that's right, they use a game. Yeah, ok, that's probably a fairly small part of their training, with a great chunk of the rest being physical training, group bonding, inculcation of muscle memory (think time spent on the firing range) and technical training. Robots don't require any of that stuff because it comes under the guise of engineering, manufacture, and basic algorithms and programmatic rules. The experience that makes good soldiers, whether they be made of flesh, blood and brains or plastic, metal and neural nets, can be learned through virtual environments.

      It would also be quite easy to defeat AIs that had been trained - just do the unexpected, as all gifted military leaders do.

      Although once they get past the initial phase of monumentally screwing up everything they touch - another facet of "superpower" military might - they could easily develop new strategies.

      I'd say it's a given that the first generation of fully autonomous 'battle bots' will comes with some 'interesting' quirks, and woeful gaps and oversights that will only become apparent when properly tested in the field of battle. I say this not to contradict what I've said above but because it's practically impossible to make things foolproof as fools are so ingenious - and there are no fools like military fools.

      The best strategy would be for the AIs to decide that the battle isn't worth fighting.

      No, the best outcome, should we (bah, who am I trying to fool... when we) develop these things, would be for them to decide the battle is not worth fighting. There is no best strategy because strategy is always dependent on what the other side does. For example it might be argued that the best strategy would be to develop these 'tools' ahead of everyone else then forbid their development by anyone else, using such force as necessary to ensure compliance. However, given that this is a potential best strategy the best strategy for everyone thus becomes rush to develop these systems as fast as possible to prevent becoming a permanent underdog in global affairs.

      Which is kind of where we find ourselves today.

      Personally I've never been particularly convinced by the notion of mutually assured destruction, but it is an oddly rational irrationality and seems to have held the world to a certain level of both stability and balance for the last 70 odd years. Patriotism aside, let's just hope that either the 'hard problem' doesn't get solved in our lifetimes or that, in solving it, the balance is preserved...

    4. Re:It's not like training your dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Training military personnel to deal with deployments in error.

      OK, bomb. Get back in the bomb bay.

    5. Re:It's not like training your dog by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      AI do not need training.
      Artificial neural networks need training.
      And the result of that usually is not an AI but a "cognitive system". Big difference, well, in case you study computer science. If you just talk about it in a pub there is probably no difference ... just saying.

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    6. Re:It's not like training your dog by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      We've known how to deal with this for a long time -

      Form them into a committee, that will do them in.

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    7. Re:It's not like training your dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most inspiring, somewhat scary point in my short military career occurred less than 24 hours prior to a deployment to an airfield that wouldn't exist until shortly before we landed. I was sitting in the briefing room listening to each team give their part of the briefing. Then they called my name. I wasn't warned before hand and I didn't expect to be called.

      I stood up gave a perfect brief on the where, why, when and how weapons would be issued, accountability and responsibilities . To this day I don't know how I put it all together based on a class I took around a year prior to the deployment and pieces from the other team briefs. I realized after the fact that many of the others in the room had been similarly surprised and performed on auto pilot.

      The only differences from the briefings were the weather and a lock that froze up and needed to be broken when we landed.

      I don't doubt that the U.S. military could train an AI. It's the goofy rules they might try to make it follow in theater that would cause trouble.

    8. Re:It's not like training your dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mistook the recruitment tool for training tool.
      For training tool look here:
      https://bisimulations.com/products/virtual-battlespace

      You can play it's "civilian" version as a Arma III.

      Cheers

    9. Re:It's not like training your dog by Whibla · · Score: 1

      Thanks.

  22. World wants diplomacy, America wants war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the whole world is building defense capability and focuses on diplomacy, America is instead putting its resources into attack capability and ability to launch invasions for future wars. It says a lot.

    1. Re:World wants diplomacy, America wants war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Riiight, unlike Russia, unlike North Korea, unlike dozens of other extremist countries.

    2. Re:World wants diplomacy, America wants war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot. Go back down in the basement and resume your TV shopping.

  23. Very scary indeed - if they succeed... by Bearhouse · · Score: 2

    "The intelligent things will have to constantly think about an intelligent adversary that strategizes to deceive and defeat them. Without this adversarial intelligence, the battle things will not survive long enough to be useful."

    In other words; they're theorizing about "battle things" that will be lethal, highly-autonomous and adaptable...

    Nope, no Terminator-esque red flags there...

  24. Soldiers will become targets by shayd2 · · Score: 2
    I didn't see anything in the article or responses about countermeasures.

    Our soldiers (and automatons) will be beacons. All the foe needs to do is build (radio silent) drones that target any radio signal. Of course, more sophisticated versions will target, say, tanks or GIs based on the signal mix. The list of "improvements" is long, given such a target rich environment.

    1. Re:Soldiers will become targets by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Um, doubtful, at least in our lifetime. The amount of payload that it would require to
      1.) identify "any radio signal"...unrealistic as there are radio signals everywhere.
      2.) not only direction find that specific signal, but also geo-locate it for targeting...not a simple task requiring complex algorithms and hardware. And that's all assuming a stationary emitter.
      3.) target the emitter for destruction in time before it moves.
      4.) and let's not forget the payload requirements for said drone. How much does all of this equipment weigh? Answer: Currently, a lot, and that's not including the weapons. And drones simply don't have the ability to carry much, especially something that's not as large as a full scale UAV Reaper or Global Hawk, and even those could currently carry all this shit, much less do this activity autonomously.

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  25. UP YOUR ASS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you Amerikuks think those AI-linked Predator drones arent coming right up ypur gaping freefom hole youre an idiot ontop of a kuk.

  26. Or.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We could just stop killing people for money...Wait nevermind, that sounds stupid when I say it out loud

  27. Ruh Roh! by bigtiny · · Score: 1

    "Buried deep in the report is mention of a new program in its infancy which would provide an AI based network that will eventually control ALL US weapons systems and networks. Code name: Skynet."

  28. Bullshit Article by dcw3 · · Score: 2

    " the Army describes how it's working to make a battlefield network of machines and humans a reality"

    No, no it doesn't. This is a piece of shit paper that some random dork presented. White papers are presented to the military all the time...I've done one myself. That doesn't mean that this is the Army's doctrine, or that it will guide a single thing that they do.

    The article doesn't present anything insightful, nor innovative. It's almost all Sci-Fi stuff that you'd see in random futuristic movies. Whoever is paying this dork's salary needs their head examined.

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  29. "Alexa..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Vaporize her!"

    "Alexa, wtf! I said vaporizer! Turn on the vaporizer! The air is pretty dry in here. Oh well, Alexa, please bury the body."

    1. Re:"Alexa..." by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      "Double the killer delete select body"?

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    2. Re:"Alexa..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Body? Stupid Alexa doesn't know what "vaporize" means.

  30. That assume a nuke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are other ways to generate an EMP blast, you can have a lot of powerful magnet that you collapse with explosive. Boom EMP, and much cheaper than a Nuke...

  31. The next war will be a cyber war. No bullets. by aberglas · · Score: 1

    Once the computers completely control us, he who controls the computers needs no guns (or at least very few).

    The Chinese are the masters of control these days. Their citizen surveillance systems, combined with their new social credit system are already far superior to anything in the west. Probably won't be long before our governments buy these systems from the masters, although probably indirectly. Because terrorism, children, human trafficking, copyright, ...

    You do not need to kill someone in order to destroy their social credit score and remove them from power an influence. Then promote others. Control society. Your society, or someone else's. Provided you control their computers.

  32. Military Intelligence is an oxymoron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only way to win is not to play.

  33. Here We Go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another FOSS kook.

    How, exactly, do you propose to prohibit "foreign code", when it is "open source"? OK, pretend that your ID and code check-in system is perfect and will never come under attack.

    Also, merely having the capability of enemies/potential enemies looking at your code, gives them enormous insight into your military systems. An adversary contributing code isn't the only danger you need to beware of.

    Culturally, military systems and Secret/Top Secret classifications, are about as far apart as you can get. I won't say they are opposites, but they sure are chalk and cheese.

    1. Re:Here We Go by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      When I say foreign code I don't mean it as in international I mean it as proprietary by any vendor. Who cares where the author was as long as it is vetted by a secure team. The idea being that you don't employ anything that has not been checked before it is compiled. The NSA uses SELinux which has been verified from the ground up, and is available to the general public.

      https://www.nsa.gov/what-we-do...

      I'm more worried about network adaptors and the drivers which originate in China and possible have backdoors. It really doesn't matter where the contributors to the code base come from as long as you can inspect it to ensure nothing suspicious is compiled within it. Maybe Microsoft provides the government a chance to view the entire code base for whatever OS they choose to use but I doubt it.

      As for FOSS kook I use several flavors, my work machine is Win 10 as required by my current employer. I have a windows gaming machine and a couple of varieties of Linux. My alpha machine which is my media server is running 64 bit Linux release and has mass quatities of disks in the cabinet to support DVR and MP3 usage throughout the house. My GF uses an iPad and iPhone, I have a Samsung tablet and a Kindle E-reader. I generally use what tool fits the best for the situation.

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  34. Ogre? by tmjva · · Score: 1

    Steve Jackson's [was Metagaming] "Ogre" game becomes reality.  Actually it is looking a lot more like Metagaming's "Rivets".

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    http://empire.openmpe.com/
    BT
  35. bunk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's full of grammar errors. Nobody proofread the white paper. This isn't a serious report.