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Facebook Donated To 46 of 55 Members On Committee That Will Question Zuckerberg (usatoday.com)

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg will be questioned about user privacy protections next week by members of the House and Senate committees, but as USA Today notes, many of these members were also "some of the biggest recipients of campaign contributions from Facebook employees directly and the political action committee funded by employees." An anonymous reader shares the report: The congressional panel that got the most Facebook contributions is the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which announced Wednesday morning it would question Zuckerberg on April 11. Members of the committee, whose jurisdiction gives it regulatory power over Internet companies, received nearly $381,000 in contributions tied to Facebook since 2007, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The center is a non-partisan, non-profit group that compiles and analyzes disclosures made to the Federal Election Commission.

The second-highest total, $369,000, went to members of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, which announced later that it would have a joint hearing with the Senate Judiciary Committee to question Zuckerberg on Tuesday. Judiciary Committee members have received $235,000 in Facebook contributions. On the House committee, Republicans got roughly twice as much as Democrats, counter to the broader trend in Facebook campaign gifts. Of the $7 million in contributions to all federal candidates tied to the Menlo Park, Calif.-based social network, Democrats got 65% to Republicans' 33%. Of the 55 members on the Energy and Commerce Committee this year, all but nine have received Facebook contributions in the past decade. The average Republican got $6,800, while the average Democrat got $6,750.

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  1. Interesting test by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 5, Funny

    We'll see if members of the House and Senate committees are truly honest.

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    1. Re:Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The english language is not capable of conveying the required amount of cynicism and sarcasm to answer this question.

    2. Re: Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe disingenuous from oversimplification but certainly not crazy by any stretch of the imagination. That's literally what campaign donation is about, preferential treatment in some way, otherwise what would be the point of donating?

    3. Re: Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The idealists answer is.. Indirect preferential treatment - the candidates with the philosophy you agree with most having the resources to get their message out and hopefully be chosen for office over of the other candidates.

    4. Re:Interesting test by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I agree. This is so f***** up it is staggering. And in plain sight, no less.

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    5. Re:Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Then why does the recipient of the donation know who made it? We need a third party to track and limit donations and insulate the politicians from the donors if there isn't any expected quid pro quo.

    6. Re:Interesting test by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You apparently do not understand that "a honest politician is one that stays bought". And no, you have nothing on your side, except a complete ignorance as to human nature and some bogus studies. And, of course, usually the bad decisions that are paid for are cleverly disguised. After all, somebody from the other side could turn this around easily otherwise. Incidentally, I happen to be a scientist, and I know how such studies are created. And, unlike you, I can read and understand them.

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    7. Re:Interesting test by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      "they donated to someone's campaign, so OBVIOUSLY they're going to get better treatment!" is disingenuous at best, and batshit crazy at worst.

      If you pay someone they treat you better. How is that disingenuous or crazy? It's true.

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    8. Re: Interesting test by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here it would mean that 46 of the members would be automatically disqualified for the task.

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    9. Re:Interesting test by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, they should be ashamed of themselves--they missed 9 of them.

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    10. Re: Interesting test by HiThere · · Score: 2

      Well, IIUC he was a Democrat when that was to his advantage, and switched to being a Republican when *that* was to his advantage. I've never checked this out, so feel free to doubt it.

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    11. Re: Interesting test by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      it's a good question.

      The fundamental reason is to help elect a person who already represents your point of view rather than to influence a person to go against their inherent feelings.

      For example,
      Gun people donate to reprsentatives who say they will support gun rights.
      Pro abortion people donate to representatives who say they value choice.

      There is a difference between donations (moral, honest, legitimate) and bribary (immoral, dishonest, corrupt).

      However, in the real world, the line is thin and often crossed. Especially where the governing body is handing out contracts or passing laws.

      Money isn't the only form of donating-- people also donate resources and their time and effort.

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    12. Re:Interesting test by butchersong · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What I find more interesting is the idea that these social networks probably have compromising data on a portion of if not most of the politicians. How nervous would you get for example at the thought of personally pissing Zuckerberg off...

    13. Re: Interesting test by ewibble · · Score: 1

      You are not going to get smarter voters. Human nature is not going to change any time soon. The cap for political contributions should be 0, any sane person would call that a bribe. The company I work for has a strict no gifts policy, how can the people run the country not have the same.

      The argument against it do you want to pay it through taxes, to me the answer is a clear YES, because in the long run I will cost the people more not to. I also someone should not win an election based on the size of their wallet but on their ideas.

      I also want politicians to spend time governing not fund raising https://www.termlimits.com/con... in fact if you spent more than have your time at work raising money for yourself you would probably be fired.

    14. Re:Interesting test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Its ok, they have complete data profiles on those 9 and you can buy them today for only 9.99 if you sign this agreement to let us slam you in the press if anyone finds out!

    15. Re:Interesting test by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, /. still doesn't support Cyrillic.

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    16. Re:Interesting test by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Are you stupid or just a big government apologist?

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    17. Re:Interesting test by youngone · · Score: 2

      Here's a study that sets out the case that America is not really a democracy, and that the elites buy the legislation they want.
      In my view the way to tell the US system is not representative is how you have two political parties.
      Do 300 million people really agree with each other that much?

    18. Re:Interesting test by MoaDweeb · · Score: 1

      An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought. Simon Cameron. Lincoln's Minister of War.
       

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    19. Re:Interesting test by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hey, when I pay a whore I expect a blowjob!

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  2. Ban corporate campaign contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The notion that corporations are people is ludicrous. Campaign contributions shouldn't be considered speech, either. These campaign contributions are tantamount to bribery. The wealth is cleverly spread around to guarantee the support of whoever gets elected, regardless of party. There's no legitimate reason that corporations can make campaign contributions. Require that donations be placed by individuals through non-partisan government agencies. Those agencies can then be responsible for providing the money to individuals candidates, without revealing the donors. Stop the bribery.

    1. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by Solandri · · Score: 1

      There's no legitimate reason that corporations can make campaign contributions.

      Sure there is. Do you believe in no taxation without representation?

      If so, do you believe in taxing corporations?

      If you said yes to both, then you also believe in giving corporations representation in government. And since they're not allowed to vote, the only form of representation they can have is campaign contributions.

      Personally, I think we should just eliminate corporate taxes. Corporations don't end up paying corporate taxes because income is a representation of productivity, and corporations don't generate any productivity - their employees do. So corporate taxes just end up being passed on as lower employee wages, reduced stockholder dividends, and higher customer prices. If you instead shift corporate taxes to one or all of those three (most people would probably opt for a higher tax rate on dividends), then you can justify prohibiting corporations from making campaign contributions.

      If there's a political issue which is important to a corporation, it can stress the importance to its employees, stockholders, and customers, who can then make the calls to their representatives and spread the word among other voters.

    2. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by dryeo · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's no legitimate reason that corporations can make campaign contributions.

      If you stop corporations from making contributions you would also need to stop unions. But that's never going to happen, because if the unions know that if they don't own their lawmakers the unions would cease to exist.

      Here in Canada, both corporate and union donations have been stopped, as well as real people (actually only citizens and permanent residents) being limited to just over $1000 donations. We still have both unions and corporations.

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    3. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by dryeo · · Score: 1

      America is all about taxation without representation and was setup that way. Think of how many people pay taxes and don't have the vote. Whole large cities such as Washington DC. Whole classes of people who are labeled felons, who often did something politically incorrect such as smoking a joint. All the non-citizens who live and work in the US, whether legally or illegally. Everyone under a certain age, you're 17 and working and paying taxes, you don't get the vote.

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    4. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by ewibble · · Score: 2

      Why do you think that? Unions carry many more votes than the people who own corporations. If a large union said we are going to vote this way that should have much more sway than the CEO of company doing so.

    5. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by ewibble · · Score: 1

      Sure there is. Do you believe in no taxation without representation?

      Maybe but they are represented with or without contributions the owners can still vote, if I make a trust that gets taxed do I get 2 votes, if I make 99 do I get 100 votes?

      Do you believe in 1 person 1 vote?

      What I really don't believe in is spending money is free speech, talk all you want the internet now allows any moron to say whatever they want for almost nothing. There is no need to spend billions to get your ideas across.

    6. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 2

      There's no legitimate reason that corporations can make campaign contributions.

      If you stop corporations from making contributions you would also need to stop unions. But that's never going to happen, because if the unions know that if they don't own their lawmakers the unions would cease to exist.

      Here in Canada, both corporate and union donations have been stopped, as well as real people (actually only citizens and permanent residents) being limited to just over $1000 donations. We still have both unions and corporations.

      Agreed, and the bipartisan way to change it is this. I really don't understand how so many people can be outraged by this much money flying around, yet seldom do they contribute to the orgs that actually do anything to fight it.

      To be partisan, I would personally recognize dems as slightly better than R's who brought us Citizen's United to begin with, but ignore that if it distracts from doing something about it.

    7. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      The notion that corporations are people is ludicrous. Campaign contributions shouldn't be considered speech, either. These campaign contributions are tantamount to bribery. The wealth is cleverly spread around to guarantee the support of whoever gets elected, regardless of party. There's no legitimate reason that corporations can make campaign contributions. Require that donations be placed by individuals through non-partisan government agencies. Those agencies can then be responsible for providing the money to individuals candidates, without revealing the donors. Stop the bribery.

      And there is only one way to do this, afaik.

    8. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 1

      the internet now allows any moron to say whatever they want for almost nothing. There is no need to spend billions to get your ideas across.

      The Internet is lots of small, self-selected audiences. If you want to get your message to the large numbers of people required to have even a whisper of influence on voter opinion, you have to either buy air time, buy ad space or buy control of editorial decision making.

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    9. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I really don't understand how so many people can be outraged by this much money flying around, yet seldom do they contribute to the orgs that actually do anything to fight it.

      The most outraged are the ones that lack the funds to participate. So they can't afford to fund fighting it either.

      If you can buy a politician and get results, the status quo suits you.

    10. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by barrygrommit · · Score: 1

      The notion that corporations are people is ludicrous..

      Agreed. If "corporations are people", then they should be capable of serving prison terms. And, who, you ask would actually go to jail? The people who run the company: all senior executives AND the Board of Directors.

    11. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by VisceralLogic · · Score: 1

      Why do you think that? Unions carry many more votes than the people who own corporations. If a large union said we are going to vote this way that should have much more sway than the CEO of company doing so.

      Are you counting shareholders in the number of voters who own corporations?

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    12. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      Logical response, although if they lack funds, they can still contribute time. My complaint includes the comments in this story, so you can't say they don't have time.

    13. Re:Ban corporate campaign contributions by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      If you think that the US allows corporate and union donations you are ill-informed. Why does it seem that the people least informed are most likely to act? Generally in irrational ways.

      To be Partisan, I would recognize that dems tend to be well meaning but horribly ill-informed on many issues that is the current fashionable outrage.

      Section 203 restricts corporations and labor unions from funding electioneering communications from their general funds except under certain specific circumstances, e.g., get-out-the-vote campaigns.

      https://www.loc.gov/law/help/c... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      I'm sorry, you seem ... heh ... very misinformed. Section 203 of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act is exactly what was overthrown by the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. Your first link talks about Citizens United, but doesn't seem to mention the final decision. Your 2nd link is the BCRA that ended up being overturned. That's why Citizens v FEC was so important. Notice your first link doesn't mention any decision after September 9, 2009, when I think the final decision was handed down in January 2010.

      Wikipedia - Citizens majority opion
      Wikipedia - Citizens political impact

      The Citizens United ruling "opened the door" for unlimited election spending by corporations, but most of this spending has "ended up being funneled through the groups that have become known as super PACs... , political action committees which make no financial contributions to candidates or parties, and so can accept unlimited contributions from individuals, corporations and unions.

      If you have to use loc.gov, I didn't immediately find the final decision, but here's an article that really does talk about the decision, and it's from 2010.

      Abstract: In Citizens United, the Supreme Court relaxed the ability of corporations to spend money on elections, rejecting a shareholder-protection rationale for restrictions on spending

  3. Smart Move by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    It never hurts to own the people who are making the laws, and I predict that after a thorough investigation, Markie will get a congressional Medal of Honor

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    1. Re:Smart Move by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Give me control of a planet's oxygen supply, and I don't care who makes the laws.

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    2. Re:Smart Move by Frobnicator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It never hurts to own the people who are making the laws

      There is a principle about business I learned decades ago: Give campaign donations to the political parties in power. Since they change frequently, give small but regular campaign donations to all the politicians.

      This happens from the smallest mom-and-pop shops up through the megacorps. If you eventually want a favor --- and the larger the company is the more favors it wants --- you can point out that you've been a contributor to their campaigns for many years. The business doesn't have to agree with their policies nor even like the person. It also doesn't need to be much. For a local business it might be $10 per year to each group, so perhaps $100/year total. For some influence at the state level perhaps $1000 spread around 20 people and groups. Small investment each year for the ability to say "You can see in the books I've given you money for fifteen years, I'd like some help with a political problem...".

      Give to all the political parties over your geographical control, and you'll have a say in policy. Call it owning them, call it influence, call it gaining some power over your destiny. Whatever you call it, millennia of history show consistently putting a small amount to all the politicians is a wise business move.

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    3. Re:Smart Move by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Give to all the political parties over your geographical control, and you'll have a say in policy. Call it owning them, call it influence, call it gaining some power over your destiny. Whatever you call it, millennia of history show consistently putting a small amount to all the politicians is a wise business move.

      It's called baksheesh.

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    4. Re:Smart Move by rhazz · · Score: 1

      The next top-level post has the correct term.

  4. Donations? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A few decades ago, this used to be called corruption.

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    1. Re:Donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In most other civilised countries, it is STILL called corruption today.

      Any member who had received any "donation" should withdraw from the committee due to conflict of interest. The fact that none did is a testament to how corrupt America is.

    2. Re:Donations? by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It still is called corruption by anybody that understands how societies work. It is the cancer that corrodes a society.

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    3. Re:Donations? by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      A few decades ago, this used to be called corruption.

      But then we passed legislation...

      WE? Oh you mean the legislators getting paid off passed legislation allowing themselves to take bribes legally. That's not we.

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    4. Re:Donations? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      WE? Oh you mean the legislators getting paid off passed legislation allowing themselves to take bribes legally. That's not we.

      We are responsible for stopping them. If we don't, and especially if we put them in office, then I'm afraid it is we.

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    5. Re:Donations? by quantaman · · Score: 1

      A few decades ago, this used to be called corruption.

      I didn't realize the US had just invented campaign donations.

      This has been going on forever, if you're a major corporation you donate as much you can to any legislator who can plausibly influence their company. It is a very corrupt idea, though to be honest it probably doesn't matter. Legislators aren't dumb, they know Google donates to both sides and is limited by legal limits on donations, $7k really isn't that much.

      The real cause for concern isn't the $7 million in donations since (2007)*, it's the $52 million Facebook spend lobbying since '09, and the $11 million spent lobbying this year.

      A slick lobbyist giving a presentation is way more likely to sway a legislator than a relatively small number on their campaign donations form.

      * Is it just me or does the USA Today article massively suck in communicating the numbers. I know both Facebook's PAC and its employees gave donations but there's no indication on whether the article is counting the employee donations in its numbers. And half the numbers don't even include a time range do you don't know if it's a donation in a single year or aggregated over multiple cycles, it's just like the reporter wanted to type "million" as much as they could.

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    6. Re:Donations? by Jason1729 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It happens just as much in other civilized countries, the only difference in the US the people can see the "donations" and the companies can use them as tax write-offs.

    7. Re:Donations? by DASH-8HYPHEN-8 · · Score: 1

      Samsung raided in political corruption probe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/busi...

      among others...

      False equivalence. The S. Korea scandal is about extortion, perjury, and money laundering in the billions.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The facebook contributions, while so much political contributions feel slimey, seems to have been done legally through reporting to the US federal election commission.

    8. Re:Donations? by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      It still is called corruption by anybody that understands how societies work. It is the cancer that corrodes a society.

      So much outrage over corruption, is anyone of you complaining actually doing something about it? The least of which might be to contribute to causes that get money out of politics.

    9. Re:Donations? by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      It might feel slimey, but I believe it's legal. Anyone that's outraged, at all, should be contributing to causes that get money out of politics. Or maybe support the candidates that take the least donations.

    10. Re:Donations? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      In civilized countries that's still what it's called. The very idea of "campaign contributions" is pretty much this.

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    11. Re: Donations? by Camarillo+Brillo · · Score: 1

      That was about as insightful as a fart in a crowded elevator

  5. More Popcorn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    munch ! this facebook show is really cool to watch

  6. Corruption like this kills a society by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Corruption removes control mechanisms and allows unchecked and unrestricted use of power. This allows those without morals and without loyalty to their society (current case is a nice example) to eventually take over most of the running of society, and, since they have no stake in it, its destruction.

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  8. Not much by dabadab · · Score: 1

    So they have received about 800 USD / year?

    I was not aware that members of a congressional committee come so cheap.

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    1. Re:Not much by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Whores ain't as expensive as many people think.

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  9. Legalized bribery by TheMiddleRoad · · Score: 1

    We need to fix the funding of our political system or just accept bribery as the political norm.

    1. Re:Legalized bribery by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 2

      We need to fix the funding of our political system or just accept bribery as the political norm.

      I've found the only realistic first step is contribute to causes that get money out of politics. Then support their candidates. I think there's other orgs that do it, that's just my favorite.

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  12. Can't by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    The Supreme Court ruled corporations are people. See the Citizens United case. This can only be undone with an amendment to the constitution. Good luck accomplishing that in today's political climate.

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    1. Re:Can't by kevmeister · · Score: 1

      Well, not really. In fact, not at all.

      The ruling was clear that it was based on federal law making corporations "people" and that congress was free to modify that law. Until then, corporations are, when not exempted by law, people and, as such, have the same rights to freedom of speech as individuals.

      Nothing in the constitution deals with corporations in any way. They exist only as congress has decreed and are a legal means of creating a synthetic person for legal purposes.

      Note: IANAL!

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    2. Re:Can't by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      So no one is allowed to disagree with the ACLU?

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    3. Re:Can't by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      The Supreme Court ruled corporations are people. See the Citizens United case. This can only be undone with an amendment to the constitution. Good luck accomplishing that in today's political climate.

      Agreed it'll be difficult, but here is the only way to do it, afaik: https://represent.us/

    4. Re:Can't by lgw · · Score: 1

      he Supreme Court ruled corporations are people. See the Citizens United case.

      Oft-repeated, but simply false. Corporation are only people in the sense that laws that restrict people also restrict corporations by default. Nothing to do with Citizens United.

      The Citizens United case established just one thing: the owners of a closely-held corporation (all the owners know each other, nothing like Facebook) have the same rights as the owners of a partnership. You know the Citizens United corporation existed only to fund a film critical of Hillary, right? It wasn't in some public business, it existed only to criticize the government.

      The more interesting general point is that the government should never be in the business of determining whether a company is or is not "the press", because as technology evolves any simple definition would become obsolete, and in general it's a power ripe for abuse. If the Washing Post corporation, owned by Americas richest man, can publish political advocacy pieces, as is clearly protected by the First Amendment, how should the government decide which other corproations have that right? The party in power would find ways to exclude the types of corporations that mostly donate to the other party from having that right.

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    5. Re:Can't by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And as soon as I can shoot a corporation in the face and it ceases to exist I'll accept that decision.

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  13. A 55 person committee? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no way a consensus is going to be had with 55 people on the committee. Sounds more like a photo opportunity than something designed to accomplish anything.

  14. net neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is an illustration of the folly of the dream that government will fix all our problems if we give it more power to regulate us.

    This is exactly the sort of garbage that would be going on with oversight and regulation of the internet after a decade of net neutrality - when government is big and has its burueacratic fingers into EVERYTHING, there's too much for the average citizen to pay attention to. Big companies with a direct interest and lots of money, however, will have lobbyists that study congress and tell their employers who to give "campaign contributions" to.

    Who NEVER has lobbyists giving to the right politicians?
    (a) small startup companies trying to enter the marketplace.
    (b) individual citizens.

    Watch what happens here. Zuck will probably be supportive of new regulations (which his now huge and rich company can easily afford to comply with and will be written by people he has given money to). The congressmen will pretend to be critical of their paymaster, but nothing bad will actually happen to Mr Facebook - they need his cash for the next election.

    Best to free-up the marketplace to allow all competitors in, eliminate the reasons for "campaign contributions", and end the farce of phony oversight; return the federal government to what it was designed to be: much smaller and only involved in critical national things like diplomacy, the military, patents and currency etc. With the feds involved in fewer things, the people will have an easier time keeping an eye on them, corruption will be much easier to spot, and politicians will lose the ability to say "sure you hate my position on policy X, but you NEED me for my position of policies Y and Z" (which is how they play is in every election while they have their fingers in hundreds of things).

    1. Re:net neutrality by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      When you have a government that is basically owned by corporations, then yes. You shouldn't expect them to fix the problems caused by corporations running your country...

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  15. You'll have to stop getting people to vote by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    for crooks first. And while people hate the crooks in other states, they seem to like _their_ crook.

    I'd like to see a movement to get people to refuse to vote for anyone who takes corporate PAC money. But then we just elected a Pres who in turn handed the FCC over to a guy that let one media company buy up each and every local news station.

    Also, I couldn't even find the original video for the above link. I had to settle for an article on Vox.

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  16. Two options by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    either wait until we can pack the Supreme Court with left wing candidates (good luck with that) or call a Constitutional Convention. And my God, good luck with _that_. The same folks who bribe everyone bribed the State legislatures.

    The only real hope is to show up to your primary and vote for Bernie Sanders style candidates who refuse corporate PAC money. Your votes count in your primary more because so few people show up for them. And yes, this means voting for the Ds. I don't know of a single Republican who's refused corporate PAC money. Well, there's this guy.

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    1. Re:Two options by TheMiddleRoad · · Score: 1

      A left-leaning SCOTUS is far off. Candidates like Sanders are more populist than realist, like Trump. I'd rather have government supported campaigns and absolutely no outside money. Money is not speech. People can print their own pamphlets and buy their own ads with their own individual names on it. None of this corporate shit. If a newspaper wants to publish their views anonymously for no money, that's fine too. However, money-driven politics are a disaster.

  17. Democracy is done here now, right? by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    What could possibly go wrong? Democracy is done here now, right?

  18. phil / ...phile... by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    anything to do with Zuck, I'd watch my wallet, my back, my security status, my junk mail, and maybe my kids...

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  20. Corruption is a global problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What a hilarious notion. You clearly aren't aware of how non-American organizations like the UN, EU, and IMF and other organizations move trillions of dollars around to prop up their crony schemes.

  21. Ponies by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

    Everyone on here sees the same problem: money in politics. But in the fifteen 3+ posts, not one. single. solution. Saying "we need to take the money out of politics" does not actually do a darn thing to take the money out of politics. Voting by yourself doesn't do it, there's another popular mantra "my vote doesn't matter, waahh."

    How about we actually do something? https://represent.us/

  22. So what? by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

    Am I missing something, or this trying to invent a scandal where none exists? They're including contribution from Facebook employees. Facebook currently has about 25,000 employees who undoubtedly give money to all sorts of causes. Most of the recipients probably have no idea where the donors work. And we're talking about really small amounts of money. $6000 over ten years wouldn't come anywhere close to making you a major donor even if you gave all that money yourself. But more likely it's a whole bunch of donations, most of them under $100, coming from a bunch of people who just happen to work for Facebook. Do you think a senator knows the identifies of the thousands of people who send small donations to their campaigns, or what companies they work for?

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  23. Re:Fun Facts by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Why should you only pay one side of The Party?

    It's like playing red and black at roulette. Only that the payout is better than 1:1 and that zero can't come.

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  24. Re: Facebook run by bigots by Cederic · · Score: 1

    Are you a total fuckwit? He included a link, which wasn't Breitbart, and that does give the (professional) names of the ladies involved. Which can be used in conjunction with an internet search engine to find a large number of stories on this subject.

    Learn how to read and how to use the fucking internet before you start spouting utter fucking bollocks.

  25. Easy money by Camarillo+Brillo · · Score: 1

    Yes indeed America has the best politicians that money can buy!

  26. His appearance by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Question is, will Zuck show up as an immature little asshole like he normally does or actually dress like an adult. He runs an international business, he should drop the immature act and act his age. Maybe they'll actually listen to him. Look at how real men dress, like Martin Luther King with his movement, Bill Gates when he testified, Meg Whitman when she shows up in public, etc.