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Pentagon Reports 2000% Increase in Russia Trolls Since Friday (axios.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White said in Saturday's briefing that there has been a "2,000% increase in Russian trolls in the last 24 hours," following the coordinated strike against Syria on Friday night.

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  1. Oh no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So we're now calling people who dissent to bombing another country without the approval of congress trolls. Isn't this McCarthyism?

    1. Re:Oh no by quantaman · · Score: 5, Informative

      So we're now calling people who dissent to bombing another country without the approval of congress trolls. Isn't this McCarthyism?

      Except in this case there's every reason to think that the majority of these people are directly (or indirectly) in the employ of the Russian government and under orders to advance Russian interests by influencing public opinion in the US.

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    2. Re:Oh no by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      'every reason': No, it's just the narrative that has been pushed since the bitch blew the election.

      We have 'every reason' to be very suspicious of this narrative.

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    3. Re:Oh no by flopsquad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Troll checklist:
      1) Strident
      2) Inflammatory
      3) Illogical non sequitur
      4) Anon
      5) First post
      Confirmed troll. If I had to wager, I'd put money on alt-right false flagger rather than Russian, but anymore that could be the same thing...

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    4. Re: Oh no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And the Pentagon is under orders to advance the US imperialistic agenda by manipulating the public too. What's the difference? And why do you trust the info from the Pentagon if you're so concerned about people's motives?

    5. Re: Oh no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who cares? The question is whether his statements are correct.

    6. Re:Oh no by Frank+Burly · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I can't speak for the parent (who was modded down for no discernible reason), but I took "every reason to think" to refer to statements that had no good-faith evidence, like that the UK poisoned a former Russian spy with Russian nerve poison, or that the people Syria were faking their exposure to nerve poisons.

      There are all sorts of good reasons reasons to be against military intervention (by the U.S. and Russia) but the troll arguments typically blossom only when the US and EU forces are the ones intervening, and their post-truth framing of the issues is often a tell.

      Honestly, the cries of McCarthyism about this issue are also evidence of either being a mark, or in on the con.

    7. Re: Oh no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't know. Are Mexicans?

    8. Re: Oh no by sycodon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Trolls" and "Russian" are merely the latest in the long list of throw away invectives used to dismiss someone with a different opinion.

      Both sides do this, although in the last year, "Russian" has moved to the top of invectives, replacing, "Racist!". But only by a small margin.

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    9. Re: Oh no by Brockmire · · Score: 2

      Trolling and expressing opinions are not the same. South Park has some good episodes on trolls. Check them out for a laugh.

  2. Good gravy by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3, Funny

    So... what???

    This obsession is insane.

    I predict a 3000% increase in Rickrolling.

    1. Re:Good gravy by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As long as they stick to trolling, they can't do much more damage than they already have. At this point, you're either aware of them, or your mind is already in an alternate universe where kids get molested in nonexistent pizzeria basements by a presidential candidate who fits the typical pedo demographic to a "T". (Although I think I missed the episodes of To Catch a Predator where elderly female politicians arrive at the door with pizzas.)

      The Russians would get more payoff at this point from cyberattacking the electrical grid on Election Day. But those who are in a position to prevent this don't seem to mind the trolling at all.

    2. Re:Good gravy by intnsred · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I predict a 3000% increase in Rickrolling.

      And I predict a 4000% increase in Pentagon trolls.

      Or are we not supposed to acknowledge the fact that the US gov't pays people and wages propaganda wars on the Internet?

    3. Re:Good gravy by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      As long as they stick to trolling, they can't do much more damage than they already have. At this point, you're either aware of them, or your mind is already in an alternate universe where kids get molested in nonexistent pizzeria basements by a presidential candidate who fits the typical pedo demographic to a "T".

      Pretty much this. The effectiveness of the trolling and fake news reached a saturation point, and now is more entertainment than effective. In fact Americans of differing opinion are being accused of being Russian Trolls. Or useful idiots at best.

      The Russians would get more payoff at this point from cyberattacking the electrical grid on Election Day. But those who are in a position to prevent this don't seem to mind the trolling at all.

      Yeah, but that would be an act of war, and a Casus belli. For all of our faults and rowdyness, That would have more of a uniting effect than the division that the Kremlin and their useful idiots are after. And no one wants Americans to be united or focused. We get sorta mean and nasty when that happens.

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    4. Re:Good gravy by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I predict a 3000% increase in Rickrolling.

      And I predict a 4000% increase in Pentagon trolls.

      Or are we not supposed to acknowledge the fact that the US gov't pays people and wages propaganda wars on the Internet?

      So can you give me some links to the "Pentagon trolls? Are they like the Russian Trolls? Looking forward to your defense of your thesis and how you identified them as trolls from the Pentagon.

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    5. Re: Good gravy by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Conservatives have an annoying habit of ascribing their own motives and behaviour to liberals.

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    6. Re:Good gravy by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, it tells us that there are still a few users around with both mod points and sense.

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    7. Re:Good gravy by intnsred · · Score: 4, Informative

      So can you give me some links to the "Pentagon trolls?

      Sure, here is some relevant reading:

      Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda
      Pentagon ramping up public relations offensive: Agency moves to bolster image in face of mounting criticism of Iraq war
      U.S. Media Knew Kosovo Reports Were Propaganda
      Meet The State Department Team Trying To Troll ISIS Into Oblivion
      Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi -- "The U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers..."
      Pentagon Paid for Fake âAl Qaedaâ(TM) Videos
      The Government's Social Media Propaganda Machine
      âoeOn the Offensiveâ: US State Dept. Gives $40M Boost to âoeTroll Farmâ Propaganda Efforts
      How the American government is trying to control what you think

      That should get you started.

      Of course, our mass media tends not to emphasize such American skulduggery and propaganda. They'll do an initial report on the issue, but it's rarely, if ever, put into the news loop and repeated over and over and over again. Funny how that works, eh? It makes one think of Ted Turner, the founder of CNN, who once bluntly said, "There's really five companies that control 90 percent of what we read, see and hear."

      If you want any more you'll have to search for it.

    8. Re:Good gravy by intnsred · · Score: 2

      So do you believe those civilians were killed by poison gas from Syrian Government or was it propaganda devised as a smokescreen for Western aggression against a poor, mus-understood Russia?

      I want evidence the video is actually real.

      In 2016 Amnesty International bluntly stated, "Syria: armed opposition group committing war crimes in Aleppo - new evidence. The Aleppo Conquest armed groups may have used chemical weapons, as well as ‘hell cannon’ gas canister munitions."

      Russia says that the video was faked and they blame the UK and our proxy rebel forces. The US and UK have a track record of lying through their teeth about chemical weapons (e.g. Iraq) and and the US routinely makes up wild, moralistic propaganda claims (e.g. Nurse Nayirah), so it's clear no one should believe them.

      At this point no reasonable, thinking person should be sure of anything.

      Syria and Russia are demanding that independent, third-party investigators be sent to investigate the site and chemical weapons claims. The US refused, at one time falsely claimed that Russia was refusing the inspectors (they may have backtracked from that position by now), and either way, Trump's illegal attacks on Syria render that position moot.

      The chemical weapons treaty mandates protocols and procedures when someone claims a chemical attack. Like it or not, Russia is following that. Currently, the independent, third-party experts from the OPCW are on the scene in Syria.

      My guess is that in a week or so they'll issue a finding that there is no evidence of an attack and US/NATO mass media will ridicule the findings, scream cover-up, and then bury the story. Let's hope I'm wrong.

    9. Re:Good gravy by intnsred · · Score: 2

      cid=56442457 Here it is.

      It seems that the US story is falling apart fast. The Pentagon claims that all missiles hit their target and the Syrian claim of shooting down ~3/4 of the missiles is nonsense. But there are online videos of missiles being shot down and the Pentagon now says they're going to study the attack. Trump is using the issue of chemical weapons to flip-flop and now refuses to pull out the thousands of US troops who presently occupy/control 28% of Syria.

      The Pentagon has bluntly said:

      Q: General McKenzie, the three targets that you struck, were those manufacturing or researching chlorine or sarin?

      GEN. MCKENZIE: A little of both. And particularly in the Barzeh target, but there’s a little of both. (source)

      But the OPCW, the int'l org which is responsible for enforcing the chemical weapons treaty, inspected the Barzeh site in mid-March and said they saw no evidence of chemical weapons there. (Their PDF report point 8 on page 2.)

      When Bush told his lies about Iraq's chemical weapons, at least the BS story held up for a couple of months. :(

    10. Re: Good gravy by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People have an annoying habit of ascribing their own motives and behaviour to other people.
      FTFY.

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  3. Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative'... by RyanFenton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Basically, anything Trump flavored has had a pretty heavy tilt in its moderation, towards the pro-Trump. I've worked in a lot of rural areas, and the brand of angry conservatism/superlibertarianism is pretty rare among IT/Software guys. But for some reason, it's hyper-represented on Slashdot in the past few years.

    Not that folks can't hold that view - it just seems disproportionate, compared to the population.

    Ryan Fenton

  4. Re:Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The media, hollywood, most comedians, all of the big tech companies, and most social media is 24-7 hardcore anti-Trump for almost 2 straight years now. You see a couple of posts on slashdot that are right-leaning get modded up and all of a sudden it's "wildly conservative" now.

    Might want to get your sensitivity meter adjusted just a touch.

  5. Re: Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you ever considered that might be the work of Russian trolls?
    They're known to play both sides so they can control the dialogue completely.

  6. Where's the evidence? by GrBear · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The story doesn't even provide any evidence.. just some two paragraph statement that we're supposed to take as fact. The story itself is pretty vague.

    Trolling where? Examples?

    Sounds and smells like fake news.

    1. Re:Where's the evidence? by Major+Blud · · Score: 4, Informative

      Agreed, I have never heard of Axios until I just now clicked the link to check out this story.

      Judging by some of the other articles on their website, I can't tell if they're biased, sneaky, or just plain sloppy.

      For example, they are running an article on "How Congress reacted to the strikes on Syria", with the reactions being "for" or "against". They labeled the following from Lindsey Graham as "against":

      Sen. Lindsey Graham said in a statement: "President Trump deserves credit for working with our allies and ordering this strike against Assad...But I fear that when the dust settled this strike will be seen as a weak military response...It's not the type of sustained, game-changing strategy that will lead to Assad, Russia, or Iran changing or reevaluating their strategy in Syria."

      I'd hardly label this call for more of a "sustained, game-changing" strategy as being "against" the airstrikes.

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    2. Re:Where's the evidence? by nine-times · · Score: 2

      I don't know anything about Axios and I'm not arguing for or against trusting it generally. But...

      The story is saying that the Pentagon announced there was an increase in Russian trolling. The Pentagon did indeed announce an increase in Russian trolling. Loads of other news sources have reported the same thing.

      You can be annoyed that the Pentagon didn't provide evidence, but it doesn't really make sense to start bad-mouthing Axios for accurately reporting what the Pentagon said without also providing the evidence that the Pentagon didn't provide. And anyway, I don't see how you can doubt that there's a lot of propaganda going around. Whether it's from the Russians or other people, there's a lot of propaganda.

    3. Re:Where's the evidence? by Lord_Jeremy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Axios is a major news site that was launched by a group of guys from Politico. Their mission statement is to be anti-clickbait and anti-advertising. Some of the commentators I listen (like FiveThirtyEight) have mentioned that Axios gets a lot of deep scoops from within the administration, compared to some of the household name outlets these days. They're definitely not right-wing, but I don't believe that automatically makes them left-wing. They don't have any editorials and the articles I've read have been pretty matter-of-fact.

  7. Re:Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative' by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The media, hollywood, most comedians, all of the big tech companies, and most social media is 24-7 hardcore anti-Trump for almost 2 straight years now. You see a couple of posts on slashdot that are right-leaning get modded up and all of a sudden it's "wildly conservative" now.

    Might want to get your sensitivity meter adjusted just a touch.

    Not to mention the story selection and summaries are massively tilted left.

  8. Re:Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative' by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's more the down modding of any dissenting opinions that are critical of trump that are the problem. Even when they do end up with a positive score there are always troll and flamebait mods too.

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  9. A 2000% increase in Russia trolls since friday? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, there's no need to panic until it's over 9000%.

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  10. The trade war America can win by fibonacci8 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I take this to mean that American trolls are slacking. This calls for massive tariffs on imported troll posts so that the balance shifts to locally sourced, free-range, gluten and asbestos free troll posts. Step it up folks! Those likes, reblogs, and follows won't generate themselves!

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  11. Insults and innuendo by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's more the down modding of any dissenting opinions that are critical of trump that are the problem. Even when they do end up with a positive score there are always troll and flamebait mods too.

    Try sorting the dissenting opinions into "insults" versus "insight".

    Almost all the "dissenting opinions" here are just simple name calling and deserve to be modded down.

    Most of the rest are simple "I think $THE_OPPOSITE", with no background or support.

    If you look at comments with that filter, I think you'll find that it's the insults that get modded down.

    True insightful posts tend to get modded up.

    1. Re:Insults and innuendo by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The post you are replying to has been modded "troll".

      Can you explain how it is insulting or of lower quality than yours? There is no insulting language, it doesn't use any name calling, it's a simple statement of opinion in the same manner as yours.

      This thread is proof that this happens, and if you examine affected posts you will find it happens all too often.

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    2. Re:Insults and innuendo by NaCh0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Complaining about meta subjects such as comment moderation traditionally gets voted down Slashdot.

      Do you think you are exempt from that pattern?

  12. Re:Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are you seeing some different version of /. than I'm seeing? Does /. do some sort of tailoring of the scores to the logged in user? Because I've witnessed the opposite. Lots of inane junk like "fuck trump" getting a "+5 insightful", while well-reasoned, thought-out posts that use some logic to defend a particular action of his getting modded as troll, presumably by someone who didn't have any logic to argue back with.

  13. We really don't know what that means. by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not without knowing the criteria the Pentagon is using to brand an actor as a "troll".

    That said, I doubt an increase in activity of that magnitude from state agents is feasible. You don't keep 95% of your workforce slack. So for this to be true, either they hired a lot of people in a hurry, or they moved a lot of their trolls off of other projects onto the anti-America beat. But the thing is, that takes specialized language skills and training for a Russian.

    I don't doubt that paid Russian anti-American trolls are working overtime, but I very much doubt they've upped their output by 21x. We are very likely to be looking at an increase in activity by a mix of paid mindfuckers and Internet randos who are doing it for their own reasons.

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  14. I'd love to see their methodology by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It could be literally this simple "Russians curious about what is going on are checking US media and social media"... literally that.

    I mean, who thinks they're doing quality control on that number?

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  15. Re:Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative' by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm a (former) CPU engineer :) The science is here has mostly dropped to cargo cult level. It's the same with many other subjects.

  16. Re:Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative' by igny · · Score: 2

    It is funny to hear this from a user with 7 digit id addressed to a user who was there before any of us.

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  17. Re:Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative' by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

    Very few people 'like Trump'. He _was_ just the lesser of two evils.

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  18. Re:Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative' by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    noticed.

    I'm very liberal and when I post my strong dislike for the R's that are ruining things for all of us, I get modded down very unrealistically, compared to how slash used to be (note, I do have a low enough number to know what slash used to be like in the early days).

    IT is not conservative; slash is mostly IT based and yet the R's come here in storm and mod things down in a pretty organized manner.

    I'd say there are definitely paid shills and trolls here and have been over about 10 years, now.

    I dont' really care; since I realize that this place has long been invaded and ruined. I still speak my mind and the message still does get out. but it is a shame that the invasion of social media has mostly ruined it, as a true communication medium.

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  19. Re:Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative' by bazorg · · Score: 4, Funny

    It can't be easy to be make a living as a pro-Trump comedian. The man is a parody of our times.

  20. Re:Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative' by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

    Basically, anything Trump flavored has had a pretty heavy tilt in its moderation, towards the pro-Trump.

    It does seem like the extremes are over represented, but I suspect those are mostly just a few people using sock puppet accounts or AC. For my part, I find that if you arrive at a divisive story shortly after it’s been posted, the comments that have been moderated up disproportionately represent one side or the other. If you come back through a day or so later, things will have settled more in alignment with the general Slashdot groupthink.

    I find that I’m much happier with the state of Slashdot (though I still miss its heydey) if I browse with anything under 3 hidden and wait at least a few hours before I read the comments.

  21. Re:Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative' by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

    He _was_ just the lesser of two evils.

    No he wasn't. Just about everything Hillary was accused of supporting he did or did worse. There was just something about Hillary that meant the minority would rather see the greater of two evils as president than have her in the job.

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  22. Re: Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative by tinkerton · · Score: 4, Funny

    You're on to us. Actually the Russian trolls are the only commenters left on this site. And bots of course. It's a honeypot site for the occasional visitor who strays onto the site. I spend most of the time quarrelling with myself under different ids in the hope I manage to trap a visitor. It's a lot of work.

  23. I ser what's going on here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Overwhelmingly Americans are against any involvement in Syria, and the government is calling these people Russian trolls.

  24. Re:Yeah, Slashdot has become wildly 'conservative' by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

    I'd say there are definitely paid shills and trolls here and have been over about 10 years, now.

    I dont' really care; since I realize that this place has long been invaded and ruined. I still speak my mind and the message still does get out. but it is a shame that the invasion of social media has mostly ruined it, as a true communication medium.

    Or it could be that a larger proportion of reasonable people simply disagree with you.