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Netflix CEO: Why Even $8 Billion Investment in Content Isn't Enough (axios.com)

Netflix expects to spend about $8 billion on content this year. For Hollywood studios, that's a reasonable figure. But for Netflix CEO Reed Hastings, it's not enough. From a report: The company is competing against a range of traditional entertainment companies around the globe, and of course, against the need to work, sleep and do other things. Speaking at TED in Vancouver, Hastings noted that $8 billion is about what Disney spends. "That's spread globally," he said. "It's not as much as it sounds." Hastings noted that House of Cards wasn't really the company's first effort at original content. It had tried back in the days when it was still mailing out DVDs. "It didn't work out because we were sub-scale," he said.

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  1. Not the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How much do HBO invest because they've consistently produced watchable "content". Netflix, Disney... not really.

    1. Re:Not the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh, come on. What about "Altered Carbon", to name thing? Disney, to my dismay, managed to produce the most disappointing Star Wars movie to date.

    2. Re: Not the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on. The Disney movies arenâ(TM)t great but the prequels are three of the worst studio movies ever made.

    3. Re:Not the money by quantaman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How much do HBO invest because they've consistently produced watchable "content". Netflix, Disney... not really.

      I don't know though their revenue is about $2 billion.

      Note that HBO and Netflix have very different models, HBO is an add-on to an existing cable package. They aren't looking for mildly watchable content that's just good enough to temporarily distract you from the existential horror of your life after you finish dinner, they need to produce really high quality content so people who already have TV with a bunch of watchable content will go out of their way to purchase HBO with those awesome shows they want to see.

      So they don't want 20 decent shows, they just need 5 or 6 great shows.

      Netflix doesn't need amazing content, if people really needs something special they'll get HBO Go or go out to a movie. Netflix needs to make sure you never get bored, open your guide, and can't find anything interesting to watch.

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    4. Re:Not the money by MoaDweeb · · Score: 2

      Maybe but you went and saw it anyway. And will go see the next one.
        The Mouse doesn't care he just wants your money.

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    5. Re:Not the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about "Altered Carbon"

      Just watched the trailer, it looks derivative. Looks like it's trying too hard. Cringe.

      Disney, to my dismay, managed to produce the most disappointing Star Wars movie to date.


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    6. Re:Not the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of them produce and content worth watching.

      Money has nothing to do with producing great content. So much "content" is nothing but continual "formulaic regurgitation".

    7. Re:Not the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When is the Altered Carbon next season? :-(

    8. Re: Not the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says "looks derivative" while talking about Star Wars...

    9. Re:Not the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't find Westworld to be watchable at all, unless I need something to help me sleep. Boring content is boring.

    10. Re: Not the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Star Wars was pretty original back in 1977, nobody had seen a movie quite like it and the cultural impact is undeniable. It certainly wasn't derivative of blockbuster cinema, it was to define it for a generation.

    11. Re:Not the money by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

      Saw Star Wars 24 times in theaters. Own it.

      TLJ saw once. Do not own it.

      Will not see Solo.

      Will not see 9.

      It's not female/male. I like Ahsoka and Jen.

      Kennedy is just toxic. As is Johnson.

      Star wars 7-9 should have finished the story instead of rebooting it and making 1-6 pointless.

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    12. Re:Not the money by Kiuas · · Score: 2

      Note that HBO and Netflix have very different models, HBO is an add-on to an existing cable package

      This is only partially true, and even then mostly in the US as far as I can tell. Here in the Nordics the majority of people who watch HBO content (myself included) do it through their streaming service HBO Nordic , their localized streaming service with a price point of 10 euros a month, essentially a direct competitor to Netflix. They also release plenty of stuff there that they've not produced themselves like Vikings, etc to keep up on the content race with Netflix & al.

      The models are slightly different in that HBO concentrates far more on series rather than movies (they mostly have older classics and not very many recent movies).

      I could get a cable but honestly with Netlifx, HBO and Amazon all being cheap as streaming services there's practically no need for me to ever even consider it.

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    13. Re:Not the money by coofercat · · Score: 1

      If that's true, Netflix must have either terrible content, or is in need of a UI change to surface the good stuff. For whatever reason, it's hard to find something good to watch on Netflix. The exception is if there's a new series of HoC, ST, BB, or whatever the series-du-jour happens to be.

      Contrast to Amazon - they seems to surface good-enough stuff all the time (and stuff you don't have to pay again to watch).

    14. Re:Not the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Altered Carbon sucked ass. It was boring, with forgettable characters, and the pacing of Iron Fist.

    15. Re:Not the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been a long time subscriber to Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu. Netflix has been by far the biggest disappointment in the last several years. I'm no longer a subscriber. I'd use Amazon either way because my household receives a ridiculous amount of packages from Prime. Hulu is my favorite because it has the best mix of old and new tv content.

  2. Re: Enough to... keep Trump out of prison? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am truly sorry for my two spam posts, including the parent post. I will refrain from spamming Slashdot about Donald Trump in the future. Please accept my humble apology.

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  3. Netflix is unsustainable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The valuation is insane and the service has gotten worse. This is not a company built to last.

  4. If Netflix by bobstreo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    would forget about Adam Sandler and swear to never create any content with Musical Contests, Batchelor* shows, or "deep hitting" news stories, they can save money and grow viewership.

    1. Re:If Netflix by JDeane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      About to cancel my subscription to Netflix and probably not for the reason or reasons most would...

      It's that damned auto play preview music and video clip every show plays if you move just so much as look at a picture for a moment...

      For like the first 10 minutes I thought it was cool, then I got mildly annoyed with it, then I looked for a way to turn it off.. Now I signed up for Direct TV Now and Amazon and maybe I will switch to Hulu... But really Netflix needs to have that optional.

    2. Re:If Netflix by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      It is ridiculous that the user has absolutely zero control over the interface.

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    3. Re:If Netflix by bloodhawk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the problem is these crappy reality shows are relatively cheap to put on, you don't need to pay the contestants and the prizes are generally a fraction of what real actors/script writers etc etc would cost. I saw a recent article claiming it was at a minimum double the cost for series episode and that is for the cheap less successful ones where they don't have to pay the talent as much.

    4. Re:If Netflix by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

      sticking with Netflix for now but a lot of the ways Netflix work piss me off hugely. The biggest issue is the changing categories for me, I have a set of favourite genres and categories, these for me should always be there. LET ME FUCKING SET THEM to always be their in the order I want. The lack of control over the interface really sucks.

    5. Re:If Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      would forget about Adam Sandler and swear to never create any content with Musical Contests, Batchelor* shows, or "deep hitting" news stories, they can save money and grow viewership.

      I'm confused, it seems like almost all of their original content falls outside those categories.

    6. Re:If Netflix by JDeane · · Score: 1

      I hear you.... Netflix should be more configurable to what the user wants... What you said has gotten worse lately too, I mean it's always been kind of annoying in that respect but less and less of what I would watch shows up and then I en up digging for an hour looking for something to watch and then I get smacked in the face with my complaint :(

    7. Re:If Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, they just need to market specifically to bobstreo and only show the kind of shows he watches.

    8. Re:If Netflix by JDeane · · Score: 2

      I agree.... 3rd party theme's would be awesome on Netflix also maybe 3rd party category tools/filters so you could install "Action Movie Extreme!!!" as a category and "Happy Halloween Super Slasher Flicks!!!"

      The theme thing would be nice if I could just get a simple hack to disable that one "feature", and it's not about data usage for me. Although I have heard people complaining that it chews up data unnecessarily, so if your on a phone or your ISP has data caps it can cost money.

      Give people a little of what they want and at a decent price is the best way to prevent piracy. Also listening to your customers is business 101 :(

    9. Re:If Netflix by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      What I've noticed is, since the yes/no change from 5 stars, is that the A.I. seems *very* shallow.

      You watch one thing in a new category and like it and it seems to forget everything you liked before. I have to watch something in my history to fix it.

      I didn't used to be this forgetful.

      My interface doesn't play a preview. Sounds annoying tho.

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    10. Re:If Netflix by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      If it's a Netflix Original, chances are Netflix will rate it 93 to 98% recommended, whereas something that should be 100% recommended to me (based on my viewing habits), like Badlands, doesn't even show up in the interface, I have to chance upon it in YouTube TV, then look it up on the Roku, and see that Season 1 is on Netflix, and it's only 60% recommended.

    11. Re:If Netflix by lucm · · Score: 1

      About to cancel my subscription to Netflix and probably not for the reason or reasons most would...

      It is annoying, and another lame thing that they started doing is having weekly episodes. If I wanted to wait a week to watch more episodes of a show I'd go to HBO or AMC. They're losing their identity and value. It's like a cheap buffet that suddenly makes you order their shit a la carte, just taking away the quantity and the waste culture and not replacing it with quality.

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    12. Re:If Netflix by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I think the problem is these crappy reality shows are relatively cheap to put on, you don't need to pay the contestants and the prizes are generally a fraction of what real actors/script writers etc etc would cost. I saw a recent article claiming it was at a minimum double the cost for series episode and that is for the cheap less successful ones where they don't have to pay the talent as much.

      True. It costs a lot less to produce a reality show - no writers and cheap actors (sorry, participants) and such make it really low end. And even worse, people watch it which means they attract advertisers and thus, money.

      However, there has to be a balance - CBS does really well because they aren't all reality shows - they have a few hit ones, but they also have bought and show a lot of scripted shows as well - turns out audiences don't want all reality, but the right mix.

    13. Re:If Netflix by bobstreo · · Score: 1

      Right, they just need to market specifically to bobstreo and only show the kind of shows he watches.

      Finally, somebody who get's it!!

    14. Re:If Netflix by bobstreo · · Score: 1

      I agree.... 3rd party theme's would be awesome on Netflix also maybe 3rd party category tools/filters so you could install "Action Movie Extreme!!!" as a category and "Happy Halloween Super Slasher Flicks!!!"

      The theme thing would be nice if I could just get a simple hack to disable that one "feature", and it's not about data usage for me. Although I have heard people complaining that it chews up data unnecessarily, so if your on a phone or your ISP has data caps it can cost money.

      Give people a little of what they want and at a decent price is the best way to prevent piracy. Also listening to your customers is business 101 :(

      There are some 3rd party interfaces,

      Here's the one I usually check with:

      http://instantwatcher.com/

      Way easier to search than clicking on my android tv's remote].

      It was better before Netflix made their knee jerk Amy Schume "let's not have actual numeric ratings" change...

    15. Re:If Netflix by Deagol · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I un-subbed after YEARS (since the first DVD delivery days) of being a loyal subscriber for this very reason.

      It's so awful that I'll sub for the months when House of Cards (won't now since Spacey got kicked) and Stranger Things drop to give my support, then I'll download/torrent the entire show to watch on my Plex server.

      If they just let me disable that horrible feature, I'd willingly let my $10/month sub go on indefinitely.

      Screw that UI designers at Netflix.

    16. Re:If Netflix by JDeane · · Score: 1

      I even pay extra for the ultra HD streams but it's just got to the point I can't use it.. with out getting angry... so I don't watch it, and at that point why pay for something I am not watching?

    17. Re:If Netflix by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      They do bubble up content I want sort of want to watch but it does seem difficult to find new things. Also...pegging someone to a genre is only half the picture. I am interested in finding new things that are in line with the reasons I watch a particular genre. For instance, I require well developed characters, plots, and stories that are believable if not a bit outlandish or novel. There are core reasons people watch certain types of shows. They should try to hinge everything on genre.

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    18. Re:If Netflix by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Spot on. I am surprised they are not focusing on this aspect of the experience as the sole driver. I do not want to browse for content. I have a remote for a Roku TV in my hand and I want Netflix to know what I want to watch. They are doing a decent job...but it should be off-the-hook awesome instead of adequate.

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  5. axios.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What kind of site is that ?
    Seems Slashdot editors are scooping stories from their which doesn't have any more detail.

  6. Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Their shows are shit. That's a lotta change to dump into the toilet.

    1. Re:Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself. I noticed that recently of all content i pick from netflix, about two thirds is a 'netflix original' production, and that number only goes up.

      Now i do agree that part of the reason that number goes up is because the amount of movies get reduced over time. Then again, we are more series watchers than movie watchers.

      And guess what. I don't f*g care, as long i like it. And yes, i do like netflix' style. With good plots, not overly predictable story lines, reasonable acting qualities etc. If your taste is different, sure. But seen netflix' success you'll have to admit they or onto something.

      To me TV and DvD's killed themselves, by overabuse of commercials or 'nagging'(the copyright criminalization of viewers) intro's. We have a stockpile of dvd movies here (tip: they got damn cheap 2nd hand), but it's hard to beat netflix' convenience and ad-free experience. And as far as movie theaters go, i prefer my own supermarket soda, flatscreen and hifi with volume control, thank you. And for downloads/torrents, we might occasionaly do that for content that's not otherwise reasonable available and still got on our watchlist. But it's reduced to a minimum. Netflix wins.

    2. Re:Too bad by lucm · · Score: 1

      There's pros and cons. What I enjoy about Netflix is not feeling bad about not finishing movies and not having to press pause when I go to take a piss. There's value in the bulk and the dollar bin entertainment segment.

      I appreciate good original content but I don't think they can compete in that sphere. They should stick on providing terabytes of B movies and old series. I'm sure for the price of one Bright they could buy the entire Nash Bridges, Boston Legal and NYPD Blue series, and that would be a lot more value for my $9. How expensive can it be to get Knight Rider, Airwolf, Magnum PI or Quincy ME? I would love to watch a bit of Kojak while I'm doing the dishes, or a couple Dragnets on a rainy sunday afternoon. Instead they blow money on shiny dildos and liberal talk shows.

      It does feel sometimes that they're doing the same mistake Marissa Mayer did at Yahoo when she got rid of the cash cows targeting less sophisticated users (like shine), and brought in katie couric vlogs and fancy fashion instead.
       

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    3. Re:Too bad by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can always find someone who thinks everything is shit, but actually Netflix has produced some really good stuff over the years.

      Some of the Marvel stuff is great. Jessica Jones season 1 was some of the best TV of the last decade. Daredevil was pretty good, even The Punisher was quite enjoyable. Shame The Defenders sucked.

      Other stuff generally regarded as very good:

      - The Crown
      - Stranger Things
      - Black Mirror
      - Star Trek Discovery
      - Altered Carbon
      - House of Cards
      - The Foreigner
      - Better Call Saul
      - Making a Murderer
      - Orphan Black
      - The Expanse
      - Sense8
      - Master of None
      - Glow

      There is a lot more, especially if you don't mind subtitles.

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    4. Re:Too bad by jabuzz · · Score: 0

      I have never watched the Netflix House of Cards, but describing this as "Netflix Original Content" is fricking disingenuous.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Yep it is merely a US adaptation of a highly acclaimed preexisting UK series. Original my ass.

    5. Re:Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      UK series: 4 episodes
      US series: 65 episodes

      The "Netflix original content" branding means Netflix produced it (paid for at least part of the filming), not that they wrote the story. Under your definition, they couldn't claim Longmire or Altered Carbon since they were originally books and Longmire is extra seasons of a show that started on A&E, Making a Murderer since it's a documentary, Better Call Saul since it's a spin off of an AMC show, etc.

    6. Re: Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better call Saul isnâ(TM)t just a spin off of an amc show. It IS an amc show. Thatâ(TM)s why Netflix is a season or two behind

    7. Re: Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ya, but AMC dumped it, and netflix financed

    8. Re:Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Star Trek Dickscovery is CBS, but I'll forgive you for confusing the two

    9. Re:Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think netflix made all of these shows in your list.

    10. Re:Too bad by WallyL · · Score: 1

      Star Trek Dickscovery is CBS, but I'll forgive you for confusing the two

      I assume the person who indicated Star Trek Discovery is on Netflix is from one of the countries where it is on Netflix (every country expect the US and Canada).

    11. Re:Too bad by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      I agree that Better Call Saul and Stranger Things are great Netflix shows, but The Expanse is actually a great Syfy show. Not sure where you got that one from.

    12. Re:Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Original content in that Netflix is paying for the production of a show. The show's a remake, surely, but it's not as if they just licensed the UK version. They're paying to make their own version.

    13. Re:Too bad by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's on Netflix's original shows page. I think it's like Discovery, a joint effort where if you watch it on Netflix you get the Netflix logo instead of the sci-fi one.

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    14. Re:Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that the primary reason that their original content shows have been shite for so long is because they are a software (tech) company and not a (movie) production company. Here in LA I have been hearing a lot about their push to recruit producers etc... into their fold in order to better assess material (scripts, independently produced content - films, episodic etc..) and purchase/invest in these.

      Also, I think their contractual agreements for smaller production companies are a little bit too restrictive in regards to rights retainment and residuals, so you're essentially selling to them just to get eyeballs on your product in the hopes that you'll leverage the feedback/exposure.

      I'm hoping someone in the film industry chimes in because they may have a better understanding of what Netflix is doing at this time.

  7. DVD by markdavis · · Score: 4, Informative

    >It had tried back in the days when it was still mailing out DVDs

    Um, newsflash. The DVD/Bluray service has never ended. It is still quite popular, and the ONLY way to go if you want any choice in movies from Netflix (or if you have little or metered Internet).

    "Iconic since 1998. Celebrate 20 years of movies in your mailbox with behind-the-scenes videos, great movie recommendations, fun trivia, and the chance to win." http://dvd.netflix.com/

    1. Re:DVD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      and the ONLY way to go if you want any choice in movies from Netflix

      Yes - posted also in an AC thread but estimates are the DVD service has 100000 movies v. about 5600 for the streaming service. That's not even to mention the dvd services gets new titles sooner.

    2. Re:DVD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's a shame, you used to be able to stream all kinds of weird, cool movies on Netflix. I remember several years ago I found this 80s sci-fi on there that took place on a space station and had half the cast of Deep Space 9 and half the cast of Babylon 5 in it. A while ago I tried to show it to my friend but it was no longer there :(

    3. Re:DVD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good for you, but there is only a DVD mailing service in the USA. Everybody else only has streaming.

    4. Re:DVD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In roughly 2001 I tried to build el cheapo storage servers to distribute worldwide for Netflix streaming. It was feasible, but *it costs too much* to store that much content. It does not scale well at all: putting it on a cloud service like S3 would be a great way for Netflix to scale up for arbitrary streaaming content worldwide, and to go broke *really fast*.

    5. Re: DVD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      two very incorrect assumptioms....

      not everyone streams as much as they can and netflix doesnt pay what you pay for s3. I dont know the precise numbers, but high volume customers operate at a discount.

    6. Re:DVD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly it's not Netflix's fault, I remember steaming a marathon of the Rocky movies that went through midnight and after midnight we couldn't finish the last movie because their liscense to stream it had expired.

    7. Re:DVD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ackshaullly!! I work with companies like netflix and they often do put their content up on s3 though more often akamai.

      If this was back in 2001 things have changed a lot.

    8. Re: DVD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Netflix does not stream directly from AWS. They use it for the GUI, controls, encoding, and all backend services. The streams are actually served but companies like level3 or Akamai and they provide edge appliance to ISPs, for free, to cache the streams closer to customers.

  8. Still mailing DVDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It had tried back in the days when it was still mailing out DVDs.

    What does that mean? They are still mailing DVDs today, in April 2018, but that quote makes it sound like something they no longer do.

    1. Re:Still mailing DVDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Estimates are the netflix DVD services has about 100,000 titles, vs about 5600 for the streaming service.

      Netflix DVD is the way to go if ou are a film buff. They also get new titles much sooner than streaming.

  9. Quality does matter more... by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 2

    How much do HBO invest because they've consistently produced watchable "content". Netflix, Disney... not really.

    Yeah, how much you actually spend on the thing has no direct relationship with how much money it makes. (See: Cutthroat Island, any one of the many enjoyable B-movies.) What you want is to spend the money well, on things people will actually want to see--throwing more money at a bad project will not actually help anything, unless the only thing that is wrong is it being painfully obvious that the budget for some key element is in the "~$5 found in a couch" region.

  10. Exclusive content is turning it back into cable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No one wants to hunt content on different services and maintain multiple subscriptions. This is arguably even worse than pay channels on cable, since as awful as that is, at least it's all on one bill. Rather than serving the customer something palatable, piracy still wins for content accessibility and ease of use. As it gets more difficult, people won't be looking for legal options, but for alternatives to TV all together.

    Why is it so difficult to address the clear conflict of interest between delivery and content? These companies need to be split into pieces, just like ISPs.

    1. Re:Exclusive content is turning it back into cable by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      But it's all 100% on demand with 0% ads. So even if you're right, Netflix does cable far better than cable companies do.

  11. Re: Enough to... keep Trump out of prison? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You don't understand the meme. Ivan is pro-Trump, because that's Putin's line of control of the US adversary. That's why he videotaped whores peeing on him, not because Putin gives a fuck, because he OWNS a fuck- pause -ing dumbass.

  12. Not telling the entire story ... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The astute reader may notice that Netflix carries less and less network shows / movies and continues to push "Netflix Originals" -- all in an order to minimize a key expense.

    What expense?

    One of the secrets of the cable / streaming industry is that license costs continue to go up. In turn this gets passed onto the consumer.

    So when Netflix says Disney spends $8 Billion --- is that to _produce_ content or to _license_ content? And is that ALL media such as TV Shows AND Movies, or strictly JUST TV shows? And is that JUST Disney or does that include ALL of its subsidiaries ?

    Content cost are spiraling out of control.
    i.e. The ten episodes of the first season of Westworld were reportedly produced on a budget of approximately $100 million.

    Assuming that the $8 Billion Disney spends is solely to create content for TV shows -- that might seem like is a drop in the bucket compared to the budget of a few "blockbuster" movies. Here is a list of All the Disney films -- and here is a snippet of 2017 / 2018 movies:

    719. 2017 Dangal (Disney India)
    720. 2017 Beauty and the Beast (PG)
    721. 2017 Born in China (Disneynature) (G)
    722. 2017 Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2 (Marvel) (PG-13)
    723. 2017 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales (PG-13)
    724. 2017 Cars 3 (Pixar) (G)
    725. 2017 Jagga Jasoos (Disney India)
    726. 2017 Thor: Ragnarok (Marvel) (PG-13)
    727. 2017 Coco (Pixar) (PG)
    728. 2017 Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Lucasfilm) (PG-13)
    729. 2018 Black Panther (Marvel) (PG-13)
    730. 2018 A Wrinkle in Time (PG)

    Let's actually tally the budget -- assuming Disney foot the bill for all of its 2017 movies ...

    * Dangal, $11 million USD
    * Beauty and the Beast, budget $160 million USD
    * Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2, budget $200 million USD
    * Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales, budget $230 million
    * Cars 3, budget $175 million USD
    * Thor: Ragnarok, budget $180 million USD
    * Coco, budget ???
    * Star Wars: The Last Jedi, budget $200 million USD
    * Black Panther, budget $200 million USD
    * A Wrinkle in Time, budget $100 million USD

    ... so around $1,156 million for Movies in 2017.

    Ergo it looks like $8 Billion was for BOTH movies AND TV Shows.

    What's really stupid is that the cable industry STILL relies on the inaccurate, archaic Nielsen ratings. Via the STB / DVR boxes they already have (relatively) accurate metrics of what people are watching but for some reason continue to use an idiotic Nielsen rating to bargain licensing costs -- because they aren't in the content creation business -- only the content licensing business.

    Since Netflix is in the process of migrating from strictly licensing content to producing content this $8 Billion figure shouldn't be a surprise.

    What I DO find surprising is that since Netflix can tell _exactly_ which shows are popular -- one would think they would use this "hard data" to lower licensing costs to carry multiple network shows. Instead we get few and fewer selections each year it seems. Has anyone tracked the quantity of content available on Netflix over the years?

    1. Re:Not telling the entire story ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Via the STB / DVR boxes they already have (relatively) accurate metrics of what people are watching but for some reason continue to use an idiotic Nielsen rating to bargain licensing costs -- because they aren't in the content creation business -- only the content licensing business.

      As far as I know, it's illegal for them to carry viewership information from set top boxes. Something about privacy, probably, but I suspect it would also be inaccurate. You wouldn't have demographic information and old STBs didn't have auto-shutoff (newer ones do, which is annoying).

      Netflix really has no choice but to develop its own content. It got the leg up on everyone, but sooner or later, the big media companies were going to create their own streaming services and deny access to Netflix.

    2. Re: Not telling the entire story ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People can opt in, but the deal is the cable co isnt paying for it. the local broadcasters must pay if they want a metered market.

      cable ops are cheapskates

    3. Re:Not telling the entire story ... by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Netflix's number of movies has gone down by thousands of titles since 2010 — but its TV catalog size has soared

      In 2010, Netflix had 530 TV shows and 6,755 movies, according to Flixable. Today, the number of TV shows has nearly tripled, to 1,569, and the number of movies offered has decreased to 4,010.

      Additionally and anecdotally, Netflix has lost almost all the Martial Arts movies I've previously watched, or had planned to watch.

    4. Re: Not telling the entire story ... by houghi · · Score: 1

      Netflix is not the only party at the table. The people they buy the licenses from are increasing the prices and shorten the duration. That is even for older shows.so paying for them wpuld ne a loss.
      Many shows are also sold as a bundle, soif one popular show is removed, several unpopular ones are as well.
      It is the studios a well that push Netflix to make more content, not Netflix alone.

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    5. Re:Not telling the entire story ... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > As far as I know, it's illegal for them to carry viewership information from set top boxes.

      The cable companies are aware of PII laws (Personally Identifiable Information)

      Besides, they already know what channel (or VOD) the STB / DVR is tuned too upstream. Go figure.

  13. I've become a netflix user... by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    I don't have a huge issue with the service, my girl uses it and it is pretty simple and reliable.

    I will say, I wish the darn comedy section could be split up from
    Comedy : standup
    Comedy : TV shows
    Comedy : Indian Bollywood stuff.

    Don't get me wrong, the occasionally Bollywood video is actually fun, as is stand up, but for goodness sakes they're so mashed together.

    Also be nice to just have a Kodi style filter
    Movie, over 6 IMDB, less than 10 years old, action / adventure / crime / thriller, etc

    1. Re:I've become a netflix user... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      Same for me, but I would add proper fantasy and science-fiction categories. I don't know why people are putting those together.

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    2. Re:I've become a netflix user... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch one Japanese flick, get recommended a constant stream of Chinese people flying around with magic swords.

      Fuck, it almost makes me understand how SJWs are born.

      Really hope this isn't a push for yet another price increase from Netflix, because their catalog continually gets worse, their UI is shit, and their recommendation algos are pretty much US politics. (Calling them shit would be elevating them far above their station, that is to say.)

      Right now, though, Netflix is in the lovely price point where the cancel/resubscribe if you actually want to watch something game is too damned annoying to bother with.

    3. Re:I've become a netflix user... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because most of the "science fiction" shows are actually fantasy in a futuristic setting, where science is just what they call the magic.

    4. Re:I've become a netflix user... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Yup, I hate that too. Sometimes I want to watch one, the other, or BOTH.

      Stop lumping them together!

  14. Re:Enough to... keep Trump out of prison? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1, Funny

    I know I'm asking for a lot since Slashdot still can't handle unicode in 2018, but it would be nice if we could set a list of words in our settings to not display posts containing those words.

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  15. 8 Billion Isn't Enough To Make People Eat Shit by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They need to focus on quality content and not just throw money at every liberal extremist with a bad idea for a movie or show.

    1. Re:8 Billion Isn't Enough To Make People Eat Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are way more conservative TV shows being made, well on cable at least. I wish they would show a normal liberal family in a show.

    2. Re:8 Billion Isn't Enough To Make People Eat Shit by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      I don't want conservative shows, I certainly don't want liberal extremism. I watch stupid shit on Netflix, Amazon, etc (basically, anything I watch on Netflix, Amazon, etc - not trying to suggest an entertainer is capable of being more than an entertainer by any means) for the amusement of it. The moment it gets preachy it's just obnoxious. It's like the fucking court jester acting like he's a king - that shit would have gotten them beheaded in the past. This isn't to advocate for reality TV or similarly dull nonsense either, I'm a nerd and I like sci-fi/fantasy the most, but when every fucking episode or every major theme is some politicized bullshit that is such fucking garbage it doesn't even make sense after a year worth of hindsight it's terrible. Even from the perspective of an intelligent show of any kind - if the writers were remotely intelligent they would understand the concept of moderation - if they have some burning message they must get out then by all means, stick it in the show - the WHOLE show, over all half-dozen seasons. If they have more than one such message then they can fuck themselves because you can't get that preachy without making things remotely viewable. Even The 100's singular message of "people are equal and tribalism is dumb" gets old when they preach about being sick of caring about "my people" or "our people" or "their people" - if it weren't of reasonable quality otherwise or if it had any more messages mixed in it would be utterly unwatchable.

  16. There is more content than I can consume by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    Even in my specific preferred Genre's.

    I'm years behind. I fall more hours behind every week.

    I've been retired six years.

    I don't see how this glut is sustainable at high price levels.

    I long ago shifted most of my consumption down the price curve since I was behind anyway.

    I could not consume the available categories of entertainment I like if I started when I woke up and watched all day every day (and good lord I did a lot of that when I first retired).

    And there are many categories I don't even have an interest to consume.

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    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  17. It's not the expense by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Netflix has no other choice, it's not the expense of content. The deal is, Netflix can only present what it is POSSIBLE to buy.

    Take Disney for example. Past a certain date, Disney content will leave Netflix. It's not that it has grown too expensive, Disney is just telling Netflix that content cannot be had at ANY price, because Disney wants people to use it's own streaming service.

    The fact that Netflix is not ONLY Netflix only programming at this point, is actually kind of a minor miracle.

    Luckily for me (and Netflix), I find enough Netflix content interesting along with Blu-Ray rentals that I'll not be leaving Netflix anytime soon. Netflix is also helped by the abomination that is most other streaming video sites/apps, which tend to send you crying back into the arms of Netflix.

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  18. 10 show seasons by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    10 show seasons are NOT enough.

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  19. the long tail as Disney gremlin milkshake by epine · · Score: 1

    I have a list pushing 700 titles of feature films/documentaries that I've viewed over the years (which I started to fill out retrospectively about six years ago, as it became harder and harder to sift the seen from the unseen).

    And I have another list of 400 titles with decent critical regard that I have yet to see (few unseen epics remain, but the list is not terrible).

    My local library has about 80% titles on DVD and my local video store (20,000 item catalogue) has another 19.5% (long may it thrive). Total expense: about $30 per year, plus those annoying trips to the library, where I also borrow books, at least weekly.

    Our total television consumption is the roughly 50 movies we rent/borrow each year. It has no other hookup.

    The whole point of the long tail (for me, anyway) was that finally I could make my own list primary to the choice process (instead of the shifting sands of offered catalogues). For my purposes, the long tail has always been the only killer media app.

    Any prospect of the average, unthinking sod toppling into my camp makes Disney very unhappy. And so they are busy feeding long-tail gremlins into the wood chipper, out behind Burbank's aged Annette Funicello building.

    The mouse never forgets it's original business model.

  20. Because I don't pay Netflix a dime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I watch all their shows through the magic of media piracy. You can too.

    Why? Because Netflix is a jerk company run by jerks.
    If they dissolved the company tomorrow I would be jubilant.